Look to the West: Thread III, Volume IV (Tottenham Nil)!

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othyrsyde said:
And great job on this update:D. Having studied the history of photography and media for college, this was fun to read. Forgot to mention that in my last post, but I also wanted to add a little more thought out commentary by reading into the history of comics, which will have to wait for later on in the week.
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That's cool, I was wondering if I had any readers with background in those subjects.
 

Analytical Engine

I saw an episode of Genius of Invention which gave a potted history of photography and film. The whole make pictures with bitumen thing was very interesting...
 

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The Forteza Process used amethiate of natrium[11] rather than muriate of natrium as the light-sensitive compound.
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[11] Silver iodide. The name used for iodine in TTL is amethine, derived from ‘amethyst’. Both this and the OTL name iodine refer to the purple colour of its vapour.
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Admiral Matt

I actually have no problem with radically progressive racial attitudes being bandied about. This world is already in reaction against the racist extremes of les Nazis, after all.
 
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Googolbyte said:
I agree with Dathi, I read LTTW far more than I look at the rest of AH.com combined. I really should check the site and other timelines more...
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If you want my recommendations for other TLs I read, at the moment it would consist primarily of:

Anything by EdT (currently "The Bloody Man")
Fear, Loathing and Gumbo by Drew
That Wacky Redhead by Brainbin
All Along the Watchtower by 03771
The Prodigal Sons Return by Dan McCollum
The Dead Skunk by Lycaon Pictis (I would particularly recommend that one if you enjoy LTTW)
Arose From Out The Azure Main by Iainbhx (ASB, an ISOT story)



Admiral Matt said:
I actually have no problem with radically progressive racial attitudes being bandied about. This world is already in reaction against the racist extremes of les Nazis, after all.
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Again I wouldn't call them necessarily that progressive...if you time travelled to 1776 with Barack Obama and introduced him to the Founding Fathers as 'an Ethiopian prince' or something, they'd probably have no problem with treating him as an intelligent human being. While prejudice has obviously always existed, the particularly vicious "scientific" racism of the mid-19th century was not something that had always existed and was just coming to the fore now, it was something that came with the way societies were developing at the time (chattel slavery coupled to industrialisation in the Americas, colonialism in the UK and Europe, etc.) Context is very important here.
 

Googolbyte

Wow, thanks. The Dead Skunk looks awesome, also pictus.

Edit: This is gonna take me a while, but if I can read LTTW 2+ times, I can give this a read.
 
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Googolbyte

Oh yeah, I been meaning to ask for a long time now, ever since that update about the emergence of international corporations.

Do you have a plan for how they'll go?

Will they have the same terrifying influence they had on our timeline, the corruption and wars they incited?

Some of the more obvious event caused by the power of international corporations;
The overthrowing of the Hawaiian Monarchy,
The banana wars in Honduras,
The installation of the shah in Persia/Iran,

Corporations even lead to the US government itself nearly being overthrown and replaced with a fascist state in "the business plot" of 1933.

Not to mention drugs...

And considering you've made it clear you want this timeline to hold society/social identity to much more important than economics, I'd assumed you're going have to deal with those big scary corporations somehow.

Though I feel a bit gross about all that, seeing as it's very conspiracy theorist-y.
 

Admiral Matt

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If you want my recommendations for other TLs I read, at the moment it would consist primarily of:

Anything by EdT (currently "The Bloody Man")
Fear, Loathing and Gumbo by Drew
That Wacky Redhead by Brainbin
All Along the Watchtower by 03771
The Prodigal Sons Return by Dan McCollum
The Dead Skunk by Lycaon Pictis (I would particularly recommend that one if you enjoy LTTW)
Arose From Out The Azure Main by Iainbhx (ASB, an ISOT story)
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Well, I'd insist on adding Jonathan Edelstein and TheKnightIrish, but that's a nice list. Or a horrifying one, for the employed non-speed-readers among us.

Again I wouldn't call them necessarily that progressive...if you time travelled to 1776 with Barack Obama and introduced him to the Founding Fathers as 'an Ethiopian prince' or something, they'd probably have no problem with treating him as an intelligent human being. While prejudice has obviously always existed, the particularly vicious "scientific" racism of the mid-19th century was not something that had always existed and was just coming to the fore now, it was something that came with the way societies were developing at the time (chattel slavery coupled to industrialisation in the Americas, colonialism in the UK and Europe, etc.) Context is very important here.
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Indeed, it's only progressive in the context of a history this timeline will never have. I suppose they'll end up perceiving it more as a reaction against a disgustingly French racial fad....until it gets bound up in the Diversitarian ideal of the Noble Racist Common Man, at which point who knows?
 
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Admiral Matt said:
Well, I'd insist on adding Jonathan Edelstein and TheKnightIrish, but that's a nice list. Or a horrifying one, for the employed non-speed-readers among us.
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Ah yes, how could I forget Jonathan Edelstein's "Malê Rising"? (Remember that circumflex, lads, it's important). I haven't read TKI's work myself.
 

Chargone

Don't suppose we could get a link list for those?
I don't fancy trying to hunt them down on my tablet based on that list alone.

Mark me down as another one who basically only visits the site for LttW. Email updates are good that way. Or bad, depending on how you look at it.
 

Atom

There are too many good TLs. And people insist on trying to get Jared to write more DoD. I'd never catch up if we did that.
 

CaptainCrowbar

imperialaquila said:
Awesome. I like this "Black Shadow" a lot. Were there any OTL stories which attempted to do something similar? It's a very interesting idea.
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Finn said:
There was a sci-fi comic in OTL that did this a century later than the time period we are discussing. It's a human astronaut who visits a planet of alien robots who are pretty damn racist towards each other, for entirely superficial aesthetic reasons. Then at the end you see his face outside the helmet and he's a black guy.
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Whereas I was irresistibly reminded, in a sort of mirror image way, of V for Vendetta (both the comic and movie). The "alternate interpretation" briefly mentioned in an aside made me think of the scene near the end where the dying V persuades Evie not to remove his mask, because he wants to be remembered as a symbol of resistance rather than a specific human being.
 
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Chargone said:
Don't suppose we could get a link list for those?
I don't fancy trying to hunt them down on my tablet based on that list alone.
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Can't you just use the big list on the wiki with all the links?

Arose from Out the Azure Main isn't on there because it's an ASB timeline, so here's the main thread and here's the story only thread.

BTW, I am still debating where to go next with the next update...I'm thinking of going to a place which I have hinted at several times but rather neglected talking about directly...
 
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