Longest possible Russian Civil War

Not just the sum but the quality might be even lower. If it is like OTL and people don't know he wants to murder them all you could see a couple of Warlord clans allying with Hitler right off the bat. And production is going to be so much lower than OTL. I doubt a warlord state will be producing tanks. Troop quality is probably going to be horrible as well. And there will still be internal strife.

If anything I think the troop quality would be better than OTL; large parts of the Red Army consisted of poorly-equipped, half-starved conscripts with a gun to their back. That's how they managed to field so many of them. Of course, the red army was a very large institution, and some divisions would certainly be better trained than others.

Wiki says that the Eastern Front was responsible for 75-80% of German war losses during WWII. If the Russians are replaced by infighting warlords, it would help Germany immensely.
 

Kongzilla

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But at least in the Soviet Army you had standardization and Vehicles and what not. In the Warlord Russian army's the average trooper will be getting what ever is given. But I suppose there would be a few warlord armies that will be kitted out with given american and Allied gear.
 
But at least in the Soviet Army you had standardization and Vehicles and what not. In the Warlord Russian army's the average trooper will be getting what ever is given. But I suppose there would be a few warlord armies that will be kitted out with given american and Allied gear.

That's a good point. Comparing warlord russians to the red army is probably going to be like comparing rotten apples to rotten oranges. On the one hand, you have many, many soldiers with standardized but subpar equipment who are being forced to fight. On the other hand, you have a smaller number of more enthusiastic soldiers with a equipment of varying quality and a similarly dubious training regimen.

Quality probably isn't going to be the tipping point; the nazis encouraging infighting among warlord groups and supplying arms to favorites probably would be.

I'm interested in the effects of a protracted, casualty-heavy WWII on American morale and culture. Implementing the Truman doctrine as IOTL would be political suicide; this fact alone butterflies the cold war and paves the way for a more multipolar world in the coming decades.
 

Kongzilla

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Hell you might not even get enthusiastic soldiers. Because they will be the first to die and who will take their place. Shanghaied Farmers that's who. Also I think most of them would just be gangsters who are in it for the power. I'm basing a lot of my info on Chinese Warlordism so there will probably be differences. It'll be an interesting fight because the Nazis will probably out number and out qualify the Russians, But securing the land will be harder. I think 10 times as many guns will be available to the Partisans and almost all the civilians will be at least capable of defending themselves and attacking enemies due to living in a country constantly at war.

I also doubt it would be a Multipolar world. Britain is going to be economically fucked just like OTL. Maybe even worse becuase there is a better chance they will lose Egypt, Iran Iraq and maybe even India. America is going to come out on top like OTL and there won't be anybody else.

Who will be the different warlord groups. The Whites and the Reds are probably a given, the Cossacks are kind of already Warlord groups so they could probably feel right at home.
 
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So what were saying is multiple Red and White warlords? Or different ethnic states, like White Ruthenia, Ukraine, or a Cossack state?
 

Kongzilla

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Whatever floats your boat. During the RCW there was an anarchist army, a white army a Red Army. You could mix in Ideological warlord groups with Geographical warlord groups. Maybe have them overlap as well.
 
On top of that, there should probably be competing factions within each ideology. Pure anarchism, anarcho-syndicalism, leninism, trotskyism, bolshevik, menshevik, tsarist, republican, the list goes on and on.
 
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