Long Term Ramifications of Queen Mary I having a son

The questions similar to my question about Burgundy surviving. I resently re-read Grey Wolf's Empire of the West and it got me thinking. With Mary having a son (lets call him Henry because the name was used in both the English and Castilian monarchies) what would the effects actually be? Just like my Burgundy surviving question I've seen the idea of Mary having a son before but I've never seen long term ramifications ie the dutch revolt, the thirty years war, stuff like that. Would we see a long term Anglo-Spanish union, like in Empire of the West?
 
Very unlikely. If I recall Parliament made one of the preconditions of the marriage that any child would not inherit both kingdoms.
 
Very unlikely. If I recall Parliament made one of the preconditions of the marriage that any child would not inherit both kingdoms.

Parliament wasn't that powerful under the Tudors, and when the marriage treaty was signed Philip of Spain already had a son, Don Carlos. So after Carlos' death Henry would be the Heir apparent to the Spanish Throne.
 
Parliament wasn't that powerful under the Tudors, and when the marriage treaty was signed Philip of Spain already had a son, Don Carlos. So after Carlos' death Henry would be the Heir apparent to the Spanish Throne.

and we know phillip wouldve wrangled it so henry would inherit both...perhaps by sending in a "friendly" amada into londons docks to help with protection of the city
 
and we know phillip wouldve wrangled it so henry would inherit both...perhaps by sending in a "friendly" amada into londons docks to help with protection of the city

Well this just got interesting.

Could Spain, ultimately hold on to England? Would Elizabeth - or another contender to the English throne - lead a rebellion?

Seeing how they did with the Netherlands and the Armada in OTL ( although that was mostly luck) I doubt they could in the long run. But the whole thing would have some very interesting ramifications.
 
Well this just got interesting.
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Could Spain, ultimately hold on to England? Would Elizabeth - or another contender to the English throne - lead a rebellion?

Seeing how they did with the Netherlands and the Armada in OTL ( although that was mostly luck) I doubt they could in the long run. But the whole thing would have some very interesting ramifications.

If Philip played it right I think that the Habsburgs could have held England either in union with spain or as branch of the main line like the austrian habsburgs. As for Elizabeth I don't think she had much of a leg to stand on. England was rulef by catholics at the tima and in catholic eyes Elizabeth was a bastard and a female on topof that. Compared to a legitimate male Catholic she'd have very little support.

With the dutch revolt, in otl Elizabeth gave them a pretty substantial amount of support so with out that support the rebellion might fail.
 
Much depends on what sort of man Henry/Enrique turns out to be, and how much he listens to his father. Phillip didn't believe a personal union between Spain and England was possible; even if both are Catholic, the English hatred of the Spanish and predilection for piracy make it untenable. If Mary predeceases Philip as OTL, Philip will force his son to sign a treaty holding the crowns separate forever (which will delight Parliament). So the fun begins when Philip dies and Henry presumably leaves London for Madrid.

The best legal claimant is, as noted, Mary Queen of Scots, whom the Valois will back because the idea of a Habsburg England would seriously frighten them. However, Henry will probably name some other heir and get Parliament to ratify it - possibly some minor Habsburg, possibly the Duke of Norfolk. In either case, though, you now have two competing claimants for the throne, both with a major foreign power backing them. Let the English War of Succession begin.

If Henry attempts to rule both Kingdoms by tearing up the treaty he made with his father, well then, let some different games begin; he'll still physically reside in Madrid and try to install a viceroy in London, said Viceroy will be first ignored and then murdered, and we're off to the races.
 
Much depends on what sort of man Henry/Enrique turns out to be, and how much he listens to his father. Phillip didn't believe a personal union between Spain and England was possible; even if both are Catholic, the English hatred of the Spanish and predilection for piracy make it untenable. If Mary predeceases Philip as OTL, Philip will force his son to sign a treaty holding the crowns separate forever (which will delight Parliament). So the fun begins when Philip dies and Henry presumably leaves London for Madrid.

The best legal claimant is, as noted, Mary Queen of Scots, whom the Valois will back because the idea of a Habsburg England would seriously frighten them. However, Henry will probably name some other heir and get Parliament to ratify it - possibly some minor Habsburg, possibly the Duke of Norfolk. In either case, though, you now have two competing claimants for the throne, both with a major foreign power backing them. Let the English War of Succession begin.

If Henry attempts to rule both Kingdoms by tearing up the treaty he made with his father, well then, let some different games begin; he'll still physically reside in Madrid and try to install a viceroy in London, said Viceroy will be first ignored and then murdered, and we're off to the races.

Good pointw so I'm not sute where to begin. First Mary queen of Scots didn't claim the english throne until Elizabeth ascended it and Scotland as a bad for France han been neutralized by them so even if the french claimed england through Mary they would have know way to enforce it and no support in englanf either. Second if Philip II dies on schedule then Henry IX would be around 40 to 43 so why woulf he need to name a minor relative as England s heir when he would have a son or two that age. As for a Viceroy/Regent he could name his oldest or second oldest son. Lots of habsburg relatives have been named as governors of verious territories ao why would this be different. If ur talking about the regent for Henry then Philip could name either a habsburg or a catholic english noble with royal blood.
 
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