Long Term Consequences Of The Second Pacific Squadron Getting Stomped On By The Brits

I know that the 1904 Dogger Bank Incident has been covered many, many times but I'm curious as to what the long term consequences, possibly up to present day, of the Second Pacific Squadron (aka the Baltic Derp Fleet) running even more afoul of the Brits than they did in OTL would be, rather than just the immediate aftermath.

For the sake of being a bit more specific, the scenario I had in mind regarding the POD is that when the Royal Navy ships go after the Russians for what happened, one or more of the Russian vessels (probably the Kamchatka because her captain was a drunk and apparently incompetent given what that ship got up to in OTL) mistakes the RN vessels for Japanese ones (possibly not as stupid as it seems, at least if visibility was bad enough for them to not see the flag, since a lot of IJN ships of that era were built in Britain and as far as I know often looked similar to their RN counterparts; at the very least it's no more stupid than being unable to tell the difference between a torpedo boat and a trawler) and opens fire. Given that it's the Batic Derp Fleet we're talking about they probably don't manage to do much actual damage but it provokes the Brits into returning fire and they're a heck of a lot better at doing so (not hard). This results in some Russian ships getting sunk and the rest surrendering to the British.

Thoughts?
 
Well for one thing Briton is most defiantly not helping Russia when Europe agnites in a few years.that would be a huge boon for Germany.
 
The Royal Navy will get a little live fire training. The lessons learned from even a small engagement would be applied and improve British performance in the future.
 
Probably not that great long term. Russia, not being totally stupid, probably concedes the war there and then. Anglo-Russian relations are not so good for a few years but by 1914 the building of the HSF will cause Britain to ally with France and Russia gets brought in from the cold by default. RN Admirals do not drink much lead paint, they will not complain about allying against the much greater naval threat.
Russian Navy is a laughing stock but as OTL it never did that much ( on the sea ) not many butterflies there, when 1917 revolution happens , Britain will react as per OTL due to the communists. Communists will use it as propaganda but as the campaign will go as OTL with a Red win not very much effect beyond cosmetic.
Some butterflies might happen if a ship blew up due to a cordite explosion but the problem with British shells being not so good would not be found out as the 12" guns did not appear to have the issue, just the larger ones.
 
What about further afield? After all, the reason that fleet was headed to the Pacific was that Russia was at war with Japan and their Pacific fleet needed reinforcing. In OTL they later got thrashed at the Battle of Tsushima, which had a profound cultural impact on the victorious Japanese and probably contributed to their later slide into militarism and ultranationalism. In TTL however, while the Japanese would still win the Russo-Japanese war they wouldn't do so singlehandedly since the second fleet was dealt with by the British who the Japanese were allied with at the time. Would it be enough to stop them going off the deep end?
 
Probably not that great long term. Russia, not being totally stupid, probably concedes the war there and then. Anglo-Russian relations are not so good for a few years but by 1914 the building of the HSF will cause Britain to ally with France and Russia gets brought in from the cold by default. RN Admirals do not drink much lead paint, they will not complain about allying against the much greater naval threat.
Russian Navy is a laughing stock but as OTL it never did that much ( on the sea ) not many butterflies there, when 1917 revolution happens , Britain will react as per OTL due to the communists. Communists will use it as propaganda but as the campaign will go as OTL with a Red win not very much effect beyond cosmetic.
Some butterflies might happen if a ship blew up due to a cordite explosion but the problem with British shells being not so good would not be found out as the 12" guns did not appear to have the issue, just the larger ones.
Actually the build up of the HSF was done by 1912, when it was clear they had quite cerly lost to the royal navy in the arms race. even a small war could make brition a lot more hesitant in joing the war in general.
 
In 1914 relations between Britain and Germany were the best they'd been in years, mainly because the Germans had realised that they couldn't out build the RN. They also knew any war between Britain and Germany would cost them their overseas empire.
 
In 1914 relations between Britain and Germany were the best they'd been in years, mainly because the Germans had realised that they couldn't out build the RN. They also knew any war between Britain and Germany would cost them their overseas empire.
1914? did not the war start then? More seriously, the impact of the HSF had already happened by 1912 so Russia would be in from the cold regardless. Even if German relations were improving, the strains of the alliance system were showing and war was coming, just needed a spark ( and a failure to realize the implications of industrial scale warfare )
 
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