Long Live the Weimar Republic?

The possible advantage might be to "bottle up" Hitler in Bavarian politics and that might take a different course altogether.

But concerning the crucial electoral results:

State elections Prussia
1924: Republican parties (SPD,DDP,Z,DVP) 58,2%, NSDAP&DNVP 26,2%,KPD 9,6%
1928:Republican parties (SPD,DDP,Z,DVP) 56,4%, NSDAP&DNVP 19,2%,KPD 11,9%
1932:Republican parties (SPD,DDP,Z,DVP) 39,5%, NSDAP&DNVP 43,2%,KPD 12,8%

State elections Bavaria
1924:Republican parties (SPD,DDP,BVP;DVP) 54,7%, NSDAP&DNVP 26,5%,KPD 8,3%
1928:Republican parties (SPD,DDP,BVP;DVP) 62,6%, NSDAP&DNVP 15,4%,KPD 3,8%
1932:Republican parties (SPD,DDP,BVP;DVP) 49,9%, NSDAP&DNVP 35,8%,KPD 6,6%

Despite Munich named the "Hauptstadt der Bewegung" and the infamous beer-hall-atmosphere, the Bavarian results of 1932 still left a significant edge of the Republican parties over the Nazis&Co, while the Communists are also less important there.
 
This is all interesting to read, I must admit. I'm writing a little something which features a surviving Weimar Republic and it's nice to be able to get some sensible ideas. All I need now is an idea of the fashions and the architecture of the cities :D
 

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It would be interesting if the British put aside their love affair with the French and decided to start dating this now economically prosperous German that is also a democracy. With France probably degenerating with colonial wars and losing money while Germany starts getting more powerful.
 
It would be interesting if the British put aside their love affair with the French and decided to start dating this now economically prosperous German that is also a democracy. With France probably degenerating with colonial wars and losing money while Germany starts getting more powerful.

You might want to take a look at the 1940s of the Weimer World. Great Britain disregards France and becomes allied with a prosperous Germany.
 
But not a Germanwank..

Not one directly but through an Europeanwank.

I think that is clichéd thinking. For decades, there is talk about the US bein Atlantic or Pacific... It was Pacific when expanding into that realm in the 1900s, yet in the 1910s came back to Europe, which is also, sorry, its cultural lighthouse - and the other way round, American influence will always find its most fertile ground among their European cousins.

I assume that Us will be a Pacific power for the fallowing reasons:
1 Japan may still attack the Us
2 there will be some resitenc from european powers to the Us influence
And yes the Us will in time move to the Atlantic to,and also with out an war in Europe
China might not go communist,since Us may be more willing and able to help.

But I think that Franco-German rapprochement is rife earlier. Politicians from both sides can work upon the foundations laid by Stresemann/Briand. OTL, up until 1939 German and French veterans associations (in the case of Germany a NS-organisation at this point) organized meetings of veterans of both sides in Verdun. And the question of Alsace-Lorraine was actually almost as undisputed as past-1945.

I am not so sure, as the start European Collaboration lies almost directly after the war. That is not so far from 1933 as one might think. Also, I doubt that the urgency of European co-operation becomes that prevalent without the experiences of WW II and the Cold-War-Antagonism.

If economic interests come to that, we might have a viable core for a Europe. I think, however, that creating a sphere of influence in Southeaster-Europe might be harder for the Republic to do than it came to the Iron Fists of the Nazis.
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I believe a form of european collaboration is need to avoid a major war in Europe.

To prop up the european economies an Germany in special to avoid a war.I don't believe killing H. is enough,to avoid the nazis and the war,for ex Himmler may came to power or some other mistress, also we may avoid the nazis but not the war,so no holocaust but still an war.

Second point it doesn’t have to start with France and Germany,

Third German influence will grow in S.E. with the republic to for ex in Romania prior to the WWI Germany and Austria where the major foreign investors and trade partners.
Also at the time of the war (the first one) the elite was almost half split between pro CP and pro entente,the pro entente camp won only after the death of the king.
After the war they Romania stick her head in France ass, for ex. Ro ban luxury imports for Austria in exchange for an lone form France that never came.So a more reasonable Ro government would have tried an reaporch with Germany and Austria.t
And i believe also that Bulgaria,and Hungary where pro German, less in case of Bulgaria but never the less,Yugoslavia as more worried about Italy then Austria and Germany,this leaves only Czechoslovakia, but with lobbying form the rest of them I believe that might change.

The Weimar Republic was not as powerful as Britain or Soviet Russia, and rather at the same level as France. It will also not become a Großdeutschland until 1939 for several reasons.
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I was refering to economic power,and how about germany in a group of european nations some sort of an E.U.

-Austria probably remains independant; unless it returns to become a democracy (Kanzler Dollfuß governed as a dictator, and Schuschnigg after him) and Germany solves the Italian veto over that issue..

Austria must also needed to help in remaining democratic after the war,

-I do not see action against the CSR. The Czechs were not profoundly nice to the Germans within the CSR, but not harsh enough to justify a war. The utmost I can see is Germany putting pressure on Prague in order to grant the Germans autonomy in the sense of a federal solution (something the Slovaks would favour, too).
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The european collaboration will see for this,and if thinks don't work (CSR refuses to join in ) a more reasonable Germany will support a the separatist in Slovakia.

- Germany will have to see after its budget. The Nazis created an artificial economic boom for which they had no intention to ever pay. The republic would need an official budget (although they would have gotten rid of the reparations in 1932, too).
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The european collaboration will see for this

So you see for avoiding the nazis,the war and everything else european colabration is needed as soon after the war as possible,need reasonable polticians in some of the following contries France,or Poland,or Uk,or the S.E. countries (or some of them),to prop up the German (and by extent Austrian) democracy.
 
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Not one directly but through an Europeanwank.

I agree. That would certainly be the case. It is a bit unfortunate that the people in this timeline wouldn't know the alternative and see how lucky they are.

I believe a form of european collaboration is need to avoid a major war in Europe.

In the long run, yes, and it would be extremely beneficial the sooner it occurs. Without OTL's development, though, it would be very hard to overcome the obstacles. But the ideas are there.
 
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