London Thinks Big

That's supposed to be an argument in favor?

Not so much, rather High Paddington could have been much better styled then it was in OTL otherwise it could have probably undergone such a renovation later on had it been built.

The idea behind it is basically a precursor to what is already being discussed in OTL as a compliment to instead of an alternative to more high rise apartments being built, a more lenient Metropolitan Green Belt would make sure many Londoners find housing on the outskirts.
 
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It seems you could also try 1933....'An even bolder plan was suggested in 1933 by another 'Will', the architect William Walcot. His unique idea was to shift the Thames a couple of miles south to run through Peckham.'

https://londonist.com/london/history/diverted-thames-the-audacious-plans-to-move-london-s-river
Yes I remember that one, and it's more-or-less canon for my EDCverse reboot (one of the public works the BR engaged in). Along with slum clearances and moving malcons of course.
Wasn't there supposed to be an airport in there too?
 
The Londoners would spread out into the rest of the country.

I'm slightly surprised not to see the Underways featured here. They seem to be right up OP's (grade separated, motorist-only) street.
Oooo, I like this. Lots of potential for adventures down there. Clashes between the KKK and Green Shirts, and the National Constabulary and RSF; war chalking, defacing MO and propaganda posters, vandalising cameras and ambushing the occasional lone nattie.
Especially after the underground blows up in '56...
 
Do you want to knock down Big Ben or turn it into condos?
No, I want the rest of the country to get a fair shake. The number of people who commute to London/the South East from elsewhere in the country is unsustainable, let alone the congestion and resulting pollution in the area. Businesses would find it more economic to move away. But no one is prepared to be the first to do it. Madness.
 

kernals12

Banned
No, I want the rest of the country to get a fair shake. The number of people who commute to London/the South East from elsewhere in the country is unsustainable, let alone the congestion and resulting pollution in the area. Businesses would find it more economic to move away. But no one is prepared to be the first to do it. Madness.
Just let London spread out.
The rich snobs of Surrey can have their hunting grounds turned into strip malls.
 

Devvy

Donor
Pedway networks also will probably become ubiquitous in the age of driverless cars. Getting rid of pedestrians gets rid of the need for any stopping at intersections.

At the moment most layers of Government in the UK would disagree with you, and would rather get rid of the cars from the city centres rather then pedestrians.

Yes it does. All the more reason why induced demand is a bullshit reason not to build more roads.

London is lucky to not be surrounded by mountains or sea, it should take advantage.

London, and the UK, got exactly what it deserved. The Green Belt around London was put in place with support from London, to provide a countryside area around London that all Londoners could go to, such as Epping Forest and the like. It still enjoys general popular support at least in principle, although it's under pressure in some areas which already have motorways and railways through them.

And building more roads is just not politically doable. There were several large and well backed protests against new trunk roads (ie. motorways or dual carriageways) in the late 1980s and through the 1990s. In general, UK people just don't want new motorways built across the country. What people seem to want is a complete modernisation of the railway system to take some load off the roads, although, as ever, it's complicated due to the current organisational structure of the railway industry and that national politics is interlinked with a dozen other issues, some of which can and should take priority over rail. You only have to look at the furore over investments, or lack of, around the country to see what people think about public transit in the UK.

High Paddington looks absolutely hideous.

And high rises should only be built as a last resort. Buildings become more expensive per square foot as they get taller, because you need stronger supports and you need to put in more staircases and elevator shafts, the need to cut costs led to disasters like Ronan Point. So it's much cheaper to put Londoners in ranch houses on the outskirts than to put them in apartments.

Erm, weren't the transit people supposed to be the ones on their high horses? It's a free market; people can choose to live where they want. Given that property prices are a reflection of demand vs supply in the UK, rather than actual material cost, it would seem that demand for homes nearby to railway or Underground stations are in the highest demand, in contrary to a lot of previous statements. If someone wants to build a large high-rise apartment complex, and people choose to spend their money and want to live there, who are you to tell them otherwise? It's the free market at work.

Just let London spread out.
The rich snobs of Surrey can have their hunting grounds turned into strip malls.

I live in Surrey, and I can assure you I'm neither rich, I don't think a snob, and I've never hunted in my life (let alone even shot a gun). Nor do I particularly enjoy strip malls. I'd rather you kept the personal insults out of the debate though please.
 

Nick P

Donor
Of course the easy answer is to de-centralise. Start by moving entire government departments out of London. Move them to other parts pf the country, NOT anywhere in the South East. Spread that government cash (i.e. taxpayers money) around a bit. It's obscene how much government money is spent per head in the South East in comparison to the rest of the country.

I fail to see why any commercial company would want to be based in London with it's high rents and congestion. Madness, utter madness.

We could put the DVLA in Swansea, the Pensions in Newcastle, the spies out in Cheltenham, Defence down at Bristol, International Development up in Scotland, Northern Ireland Office in NI....
Don't forget that Government Ministers need access to both the departments they head and the Government at Westminster. It's not always practical to split up workplaces. They may also need quick or easy access to other departments.

Most commercial companies (and Govt depts) want to be where the workers are, and the workers want to be where the jobs are.... London.
Lots of people like to mingle with those in similar jobs outside of work. When it comes to changing jobs it's nice and convenient to be in the same street or postcode.
There's also the question of infrastructure: Will you have better facilities, communications, transport links and restaurants in the city or out in the country?
 

kernals12

Banned
I think the Thames Estuary Airport should be named "Winston Churchill Airport". I don't think the British name enough things in honor of people.

Paris has Charles De Gaulle Airport, even the Germans have decided to name the new airport in Berlin after Willy Brandt, and don't get me started on us Americans.
 

Nick P

Donor
I think the Thames Estuary Airport should be named "Winston Churchill Airport". I don't think the British name enough things in honor of people.

Paris has Charles De Gaulle Airport, even the Germans have decided to name the new airport in Berlin after Willy Brandt, and don't get me started on us Americans.

I'll have you know we name plenty of things for people.... such as this outstanding road :confused:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6...PkixubETCAYQNse8dVPg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Or this one :biggrin: https://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/england/3987-winston-churchill-avenue.html

We even put up a statue for him - in a place he barely represented. :neutral:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6...hZ7kBm5blPsbDogU-HrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

In the place he represented longest, and during the war, is a blue plaque https://openplaques.org/plaques/40980
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6...-k8KEggkVOgh1ml8RmSw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

One of the troubles with naming things after people is that history tends to fade out who they are and what they did. Or that what they did is later considered to be wrong and they have to be expunged (see Franco, Mussolini etc).
 

kernals12

Banned
I'll have you know we name plenty of things for people.... such as this outstanding road :confused:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6...PkixubETCAYQNse8dVPg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Or this one :biggrin: https://www.dangerousroads.org/europe/england/3987-winston-churchill-avenue.html

We even put up a statue for him - in a place he barely represented. :neutral:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6...hZ7kBm5blPsbDogU-HrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

In the place he represented longest, and during the war, is a blue plaque https://openplaques.org/plaques/40980
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6...-k8KEggkVOgh1ml8RmSw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

One of the troubles with naming things after people is that history tends to fade out who they are and what they did. Or that what they did is later considered to be wrong and they have to be expunged (see Franco, Mussolini etc).
You can balance it out by naming Gatwick airport after Clement Attlee.
 

Devvy

Donor
Or we could just not name things after people until they’ve stood the test of time, and continue naming things for events and nearby places.

I’d rather not have to fly from London Bojo Island Airport in any tl...
 
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