Locations of New England and New Netherlands switched, is New Netherlands more likely to survive?

raharris1973

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What if Henry Hudson scoped out Cape Cod and the Pilgrims settled in Manhattan, followed by the Puritans in the Hudson Valley and New Jersey? This essentially flips the locations of New England and New Netherlands.

How much would England covet New Netherlands (say its everything east of the Connecticut river in New England in this case) if it is to the north of their main colonial efforts and adjacent to the French colonies, instead of forming a wedge between English coastal settlements?

Would it be more likely for us to get to 1800 without England having conquered New Netherlands?
 
Forcing New England into the Mid-Atlantic could be interesting. Puritans temporarily took control of Maryland at the same time the New England colonies were more or less legally consolidated - IE in the 1640s - so we could consider "New England" to be from *New York to *Maryland in this world, and a next-door New England Proper would likely give the muscle for the *Marylander Puritans to stay in control and Lord Baltimore can only cry about it. And some Dutchmen for what it's worth took control of Acadia from France and having it connected to *New Netherlands Proper would be a boon for it.
 
And some Dutchmen for what it's worth took control of Acadia from France and having it connected to *New Netherlands Proper would be a boon for it.

But they probably need the Franco-Dutch War to go more successfully to keep it. OTL they renounced their claim to it at the end of the war.
 

raharris1973

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But they probably need the Franco-Dutch War to go more successfully to keep it. OTL they renounced their claim to it at the end of the war.

A good point. Unless the Dutch do much better fighting France, them keeping Acadia is unlikely. But their ability to keep a hold on New England south of there is strengthened.
 

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Would the Dutch even be interested in the economic possibilities of the Cape Cod Area? I don't think it has the same agricultural or fur-trading potential as the Hudson Valley - but it does have fishing and logging.
 

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England would become more interested in the East Indies, preventing a Dutch monopoly. Heretofore, obtaining New England would not be sufficient for Great Britain to forfeit its stake in the east Indies. The Dutch would not be able or willing to trade anything to gain their East Indies monopoly.
 
You could see a "New Netherlands" extending west from OTL CT/MA/NH/VT to Albany or even the Great Lakes. This connects the seaport areas of New Netherlands with the entrpots that were developing for fur trading with the Indians OTL and adding an outlet to the lakes helps this. OTOH the route from Boston to Albany is all overland, OTL the ability to use the Hudson from Albany area to New Amsterdam (NYC) really facilitated the trade.
 
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