With a pod of 1200 AD is it possible for Poland and Lithuania to be enemies instead of allies how would that effect the two countries?
Lithanians and Poles WERE enemiesAnd still are...
Lithanians and Poles WERE enemies for quite some time. Lithuanians often raided Polish duchies, especially Masovia. I think imperialaquila is right - it was the Teutonic Order as common enemy that brought Poland and Lithuania together.
No Teutonic Knights, or at least none puttering around the Baltic. The Lithuanians remain pagan, the Poles become Catholic, the Poles try to convert the Lithuanians, fun stuff ensues.
I don't see a point.Poland and Galitzia remain part of a surviving Anjou central european kingdom.
How about - after dealing with the Teutons to a sufficient level in 1410 or perhaps earlier, the forced alliance between Jagailo and Vytautas breaks down for good, Vytautas openly breaks down Krevo Union - and it is never restored for long?
If Jogaila lost lithuania for good he might also lose the Polish throne, he gained the Polish throne because of the union of Krewo especially there are other claimants to the Polish throne like Sigismund, it will not help that he allied with the Hussites, I think it would help him if he accepts the Bohemian crown if he lost the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
There is no reason for him to be King of Poland because he lost the the union which is the basis of his rule and most likely, Vytautas will ally with the Teutons once he falls out with Jogaila and rule Lithuania independently so I think Jogaila's days might be numbered.Originally posted by kasumigenx
Even if Jogaila had lost Lithuania, Poles wouldn't have banished him, especially after Grunwald. Poland couldn't have afforded to loose a quite competent king. Who would have replaced him? Sigismund of Louxemburg, IIRC, was widely inpupular in Poland as being pro-Teutonic. No, thank you. I also have doubts about Jogaila accepting Hussite crown. Anti-Hussite opposition in Poland was strong and Jogaila had been born as a pagan and converted relatively recently. And he should have accepted a crown from heretics? No way. Poland for a very long time had fought against Teutonic propaganda accusing Poles of allying themselves with pagans. And now they were to unite with heretics? Tactical alliances were one thing, but accepting whole kingdom which rebelled against its king and against Catholic faith? The next crusade might march against Poland.
There is no reason for him to be King of Poland because he lost the the union which is the basis of his rule and most likely, Vytautas will ally with the Teutons once he falls out with Jogaila and rule Lithuania independently so I think Jogaila's days might be numbered.
Originally posted by kasumigenx
And who would take his place on Polish throne? Poland needed a king. Especially in case of Lithuanian/Teutonic alliance. That would be a very bad time to fire the present king (who rather will not go quietly) and start looking for a new one. Not to mention that there might be few candidates to rule such a rebellious country.