List your most promising alternate monarchs

Susano

Banned
Bismarck once said about him that people who wished for liberalism were mistaken to place their trust in him: he'd rule like an autocrath.

Doesnt matter much, now does it? Everything would have been better then his son, Idiot Billy.

Another (probably wellknown) candidate is of course Joseph Ferdinand of Bavaria, who would have become King of Spain, hadnt he died before, which would have prevented or at leats altered the War of Spanish Sucession, and would have put Spain under House Wittelsbach.

He would have been King Joseoph Ferdinand I. (Jose Fernando) of Spain, most likely. At least he is known as Prince (of Asturias) Joseph Ferdinand...
 

Thande

Donor
What about Louis, son of Louis XV of France? In OTL he died before his father and so his son became Louis XVI, but WI he had lived and become Louis XVI himself? (Why can't the French actually have more than one name for kings so we don't get confused? :rolleyes: )

Striking parallel to Frederick / George III really...
 

Susano

Banned
Speaking of Louis XV: He was the last surviiving member of his family, being the great-grandson of Louis XIV. (His father and greatfather were also named Louis:rolleyes: Almost Realsatire!) The entire rest of the family was killed by an illness, and Louis XV also was infected, but saved.

Had he died, chances were good for a War of French Sucession - his uncle, who had become Philip V., had renounced all rights to th etrhone, so it would nominally go to Philip d'Orleans (and if it isnt Louis, its Philip!) - but it was expected that Philip V. would raise his claim nontheless.

Too bad it didnt happen, I for one would have liked to see the French empire demolished in a civil war and international war of sucession...so I rpesent as Alternate canddiate, at least as a pretender, King Philip VII of France!
 

Thande

Donor
Don't know if this counts but hey :D

how about - Queen Jane I - Apparent chosen heir of Edward VI

Hard to see how Lady Jane Grey could ever be Queen without ASBs. After all, only two towns out of the whole Kingdom acknowledged her as queen :rolleyes:


SusanO: good point re the decimation of the French royals...
 
"Hard to see how Lady Jane Grey could ever be Queen without ASBs. After all, only two towns out of the whole Kingdom acknowledged her as queen"

Ok didn't know that :D her name just came to me as i was reading through
 

Thande

Donor
"Hard to see how Lady Jane Grey could ever be Queen without ASBs. After all, only two towns out of the whole Kingdom acknowledged her as queen"

Ok didn't know that :D her name just came to me as i was reading through

Ah, I suppose maybe if she was backed up by a foreign army or something...or the English people didn't have the wrong idea about Mary (they loved her BEFORE she became queen :D )
 
Franz Ferdinand, Habsburg emperor from 1916-?
Charles III of the United Kingdom (no way mom allows him to gain the throne; she'll force him to abdicate in advance in favor of grandson Bill)
 

Thande

Donor
Charles III of the United Kingdom (no way mom allows him to gain the throne; she'll force him to abdicate in advance in favor of grandson Bill)
Rubbish. Liz has no objections to Charles becoming King, it's all a media blowover.

And besides, he'll probably be known as George VII, not Charles III.
 
Ok, slighty more relestic one; Æthelstan
Æthelstan he died in 1014 meaning Edmund Ironside inherited.
Ironside didn't really have the support of the nobles but did do a good job in defending England against Canute.
If Æthelstan had lived he had the support of the nobles and (i think haven't found anything to go against this idea) the loyalty of his brother.
So leader with support of nobles and a strong military leader for against the Canute.
Might be interesting, or it turns into a civil war :D , where Canute easily takes over all of England sooner
 

Thande

Donor
Ok, slighty more relestic one; Æthelstan
Æthelstan he died in 1014 meaning Edmund Ironside inherited.
Ironside didn't really have the support of the nobles but did do a good job in defending England against Canute.
If Æthelstan had lived he had the support of the nobles and (i think haven't found anything to go against this idea) the loyalty of his brother.
So leader with support of nobles and a strong military leader for against the Canute.
Might be interesting, or it turns into a civil war :D , where Canute easily takes over all of England sooner
That strikes me as an interesting idea.
 
My general impression is that the OTL Spanish Empire is something that, if you had read about it in an AH book, would seem like ASB or Spain-wank..."within a few decades they conquer an area of the Americas more than twenty times the size of the homeland???"

So, as with Ruled Britannia etc., it doesn't seem much more of a leap of faith to picture Spain in this era in Moscow, Constantinople, Kyoto or on the Moon :D

LOL :D

BTW, there is also another novel, possibly the earliest AH-novel written in Spain: Cuatro siglos de buen gobierno ("Four centuries of good government", Nilo María Fabra, 1885). By the end of the 19th century, a Spanish Empire that rules the Earth and directly owns the Americas and half of Africa is trying to conquer Mars... :D:D:D The chosen POD is also the survival of Miguel de la Paz.
 

Thande

Donor
LOL :D

BTW, there is also another novel, possibly the earliest AH-novel written in Spain: Cuatro siglos de buen gobierno ("Four centuries of good government", Nilo María Fabra, 1885). By the end of the 19th century, a Spanish Empire that rules the Earth and directly owns the Americas and half of Africa is trying to conquer Mars... :D:D:D The chosen POD is also the survival of Miguel de la Paz.

That's refreshing. Most Spain-dominates-Earth timelines (stuff like Pavane) tend to assume that it's going to produce some backwards planet with innovation suppressed by the Catholic Church :rolleyes: - quite implausibly, in my view.
 
Rubbish. Liz has no objections to Charles becoming King, it's all a media blowover.

And besides, he'll probably be known as George VII, not Charles III.

On the first one, I'll yield to someone closer to the topic (that stuff about mom standing in his way is more or less the slant on it in the states). But why George VII--to honor his grandfather? I was vaguely aware that British monarchs can choose the name they wish to reign as, but I don't believe a change has occurred in some time (not sure about the nominal Edward VIII). I know Victoria wanted the-then Prince of Wales to reign as Albert I but he would have none of that.
 

Thande

Donor
On the first one, I'll yield to someone closer to the topic (that stuff about mom standing in his way is more or less the slant on it in the states). But why George VII--to honor his grandfather? I was vaguely aware that British monarchs can choose the name they wish to reign as, but I don't believe a change has occurred in some time (not sure about the nominal Edward VIII). I know Victoria wanted the-then Prince of Wales to reign as Albert I but he would have none of that.
That's ok, it's a common misconception - a bit like how they blow up the whole Brown/Blair thing to make out as though they're ready to stab each other rather than just having vague disagreements ;)

George VII because it's a traditional British monarch's name, emphasises continuity (as you said, his grandfather was so called).

I'm not sure if the Victoria thing you quoted is accurate - I thought Victoria insisted that no future kings be called Albert, in memory of Prince Albert.

Because George VI, Charles' grandfather, had the given name Albert but chose to be coronated as George.

As for Charles, his full name is 'Charles Philip Arthur George Windsor'. The choice of George is also because 'Charles III' carries unfortunate connotations - Charles I was executed, and also the Jacobites regard Bonnie Prince Charlie as Charles III so it could cause iffiness. This is reportedly what Charles has said himself - he wants to be crowned as George VII.

However, I think it's quite likely that the public will insist he be Charles III just because that's what they've always known him as.
 
the son of François II of France and Mary Stuart of the Scots, would have been therefore King of France and King of the Scots if he had been conceived, which give us a WI very tricky for the English...
 
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