List of World War II butterflies
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The Communists only totally took over Czechoslovakia by 1948. A large number of GErmans were driven out under a more or less democratic government in 1945...
Still in the 30s it was unlikely.
Still in the 30s it was unlikely.
Hess doesn't fly to the UK, and thus he isn't captured by the Allies.
Lothar von Richthofen doesn't die in 1922, and he becomes the head of the Luftwafe.
All of the Reich's R&D is brought under the control of one branch of the government, instead of being spread out, and working a cross purposes.
Lothar von Richthofen doesn't die in 1922, and he becomes the head of the Luftwafe.
All of the Reich's R&D is brought under the control of one branch of the government, instead of being spread out, and working a cross purposes.
Max Sinister
Banned
If Hitler was expelled, Hess would go with him - he was Hitler's lickspittle. (Himmler too, while we're at it.) Göring or Goebbels himself would lead the NSDAP.
Alcuin
Banned
I don't think it would be Goebbels because nobody trusted him. I guess it'd have to be Goering but I wanted a certifiable loonie and either Hess or Himmler seemed a better bet.
- poland doesn't have a late summer, instead, it rains like hell
- british scout planes over Norway arrive later over the german battlefleet that's waiting for the rest of the ships to catch up, and thus sees them heading north, not west. as a result, the british fleet to the south and the battleship Renown to the north don't sail westwards, instead close in and destroy the german battlefleet
- Germany gets working torpedos into their U-Boats in time for Norway
- the finns don't wipe out 2 russian companies without a single casualtie, and finnish morale colapses in the early stages of the war
- german paras at Eben Emael fail in their mission
- DeGaulle gets caught and ends his days in german captivity
- enigma machine is not captured by the allies
- Luftwaffe bombers don't accidentaly drop their bombs over a London suburb, not giving Churchill a reason to bomb Berlin, not giving Hitler a reason to get mad
- american aircraft carriers are in port on dec 7th
- american radar operators notify their superiors that an enemy formation is closing on their position an hour before the attack
- the captain of the destroyer that sunk the jap mini-sub notifies command
- Nagumo launches the 3rd wave
- in the battle of the coral sea, the jap commander doesn't send his best pilots into a night attack, thus has more pilots, and the attack the following day manages to sink the Yorktown (or more fighters manage to save one or both jap carriers from being crippled)
- jap intel realises that every US outpost sending an uncoded distress call on the same day (for different reasons) days before Midway is a trap
- US dive-bombers at the Battle of Midway don't get lost and arrive on time, beeing cut to pieces by the zeros, or get totally lost and don't find the jap carriers at all
- the british commander doesn't act on inteligence reports and places his mines across the entire defense line at Tobruk
- Monty's precursor doesn't die in his plane, en-route to HQ
- winter of 41 is the mildest in history
- in the days prior to D-Day there are no storms, and so Rommel doesn't go back home for his wife's birthday (and a lot more senior officiers are present)
- Hitler can't sleep before D-Day
- (surpisingly nobody said it before) von Stauffen puts both bombs in the briefcase, without arming the second, since it would explode due to the explosion of the first
or
meetings are still held in the bunker and thus the closed space gets everyone in the room killed when the bomb goes off
- allies close the falaise gap
- weather in england is far better in time for Market Garden
or
- it's far worse
- 101'st is not deployed in the Ardennes, but near the swiss border
- british scout planes over Norway arrive later over the german battlefleet that's waiting for the rest of the ships to catch up, and thus sees them heading north, not west. as a result, the british fleet to the south and the battleship Renown to the north don't sail westwards, instead close in and destroy the german battlefleet
- Germany gets working torpedos into their U-Boats in time for Norway
- the finns don't wipe out 2 russian companies without a single casualtie, and finnish morale colapses in the early stages of the war
- german paras at Eben Emael fail in their mission
- DeGaulle gets caught and ends his days in german captivity
- enigma machine is not captured by the allies
- Luftwaffe bombers don't accidentaly drop their bombs over a London suburb, not giving Churchill a reason to bomb Berlin, not giving Hitler a reason to get mad
- american aircraft carriers are in port on dec 7th
- american radar operators notify their superiors that an enemy formation is closing on their position an hour before the attack
- the captain of the destroyer that sunk the jap mini-sub notifies command
- Nagumo launches the 3rd wave
- in the battle of the coral sea, the jap commander doesn't send his best pilots into a night attack, thus has more pilots, and the attack the following day manages to sink the Yorktown (or more fighters manage to save one or both jap carriers from being crippled)
- jap intel realises that every US outpost sending an uncoded distress call on the same day (for different reasons) days before Midway is a trap
- US dive-bombers at the Battle of Midway don't get lost and arrive on time, beeing cut to pieces by the zeros, or get totally lost and don't find the jap carriers at all
- the british commander doesn't act on inteligence reports and places his mines across the entire defense line at Tobruk
- Monty's precursor doesn't die in his plane, en-route to HQ
- winter of 41 is the mildest in history
- in the days prior to D-Day there are no storms, and so Rommel doesn't go back home for his wife's birthday (and a lot more senior officiers are present)
- Hitler can't sleep before D-Day
- (surpisingly nobody said it before) von Stauffen puts both bombs in the briefcase, without arming the second, since it would explode due to the explosion of the first
or
meetings are still held in the bunker and thus the closed space gets everyone in the room killed when the bomb goes off
- allies close the falaise gap
- weather in england is far better in time for Market Garden
or
- it's far worse
- 101'st is not deployed in the Ardennes, but near the swiss border
-Cth forces successfully hold Singapore
-Japs take Pt Moresby, develop a viable plan to invade Australia
-Leningrad and/or Stalingrad falls to the Germans
-D-Day sustains far heavier casualties
-Nazis introduce wonder weapons- Me262, V1/V2, He177 GREIF- much earlier
-Japs take Pt Moresby, develop a viable plan to invade Australia
-Leningrad and/or Stalingrad falls to the Germans
-D-Day sustains far heavier casualties
-Nazis introduce wonder weapons- Me262, V1/V2, He177 GREIF- much earlier
-1934: Chancellor Dollfuss of Austria survives assasination by Nazi assassins and, furious, draws even closer to Mussolini (Schussnigg wasn't as close).
-1940: An anti-aircraft gun has been installed on top of Fort Eben-Emael
-14th May 1940: British and French aircraft destroy one or more of the pontoon bridges at Bulson, delaying the German advance near Sedan.
-1940: An anti-aircraft gun has been installed on top of Fort Eben-Emael
-14th May 1940: British and French aircraft destroy one or more of the pontoon bridges at Bulson, delaying the German advance near Sedan.
Yep, one still wonders how hey managed to keep it afloat. another Ohio-based POD: the italian admiral commanding the italian cruiser squadron in the area doesn't recieve phony reports of a british air-raid against his ships and intercepts the allied convoy, sinking most of it
Altough I don't think the british would loose the middle east, or even north africa as a result
Alcuin
Banned
Yes but Goering joined from a different right-wing party so it doesn't follow that he'd be expelled along with Hitler and Hess. Goebbels' objection wasn't to Hitler's politics but to his "small-mindedness"....
Link this with one of my favourites: the RN's 1st Cruiser Squadron does not disembark the regiment of troops it has aboard aon April 8th, and instead takes them to Stavanger where they are to guard the airfield there.
King Thomas
Banned
Germany waits an extra year before it starts WW2.
Hitler gets cancer instead of OTL's Chamberlain and dies in 1940.
Gobbels falls for a certain Chezh actress (he almost did in OTL) and resigns to live with her.
The first atom bomb that is tested turns out to be much more powerful then in OTL and blows up all the scientists that makes it, burning all the plans as well.
The Nazi spies are as good as the Soviet ones.
Stalin takes heed of the warnings that the Germans will attack in 1941
Hitler decides to put the Holocaust off until after the war is over-a few thousand Jewish people still suffer death and/or torture, but there are no mass killings
Vichy works hand in glove with the Nazis and gives them the French fleet to invade Britain with.
The Japanese attack the colonies but leaves the Phiilipines and the USA well alone.
Hitler gets cancer instead of OTL's Chamberlain and dies in 1940.
Gobbels falls for a certain Chezh actress (he almost did in OTL) and resigns to live with her.
The first atom bomb that is tested turns out to be much more powerful then in OTL and blows up all the scientists that makes it, burning all the plans as well.
The Nazi spies are as good as the Soviet ones.
Stalin takes heed of the warnings that the Germans will attack in 1941
Hitler decides to put the Holocaust off until after the war is over-a few thousand Jewish people still suffer death and/or torture, but there are no mass killings
Vichy works hand in glove with the Nazis and gives them the French fleet to invade Britain with.
The Japanese attack the colonies but leaves the Phiilipines and the USA well alone.
The U-Boat torpedo that hit the Nelson, with Churchill aboard, in late 1939 is not a dumb and explodes. Churchill dies. Halifax signs peace in 1940.
A panzer commander takes initiative and keeps on towards Leningrad in summer 1941, after taking the brigdes over the river,instead of following orders and stopping. The city falls.
The germans capture the polish intelligence agents before they fly to England with Enigma.
A japanese scout plane decides to fly a little more and sees the american fleet on Midway.
The iraquis storm the RAF base in Habbaniya and take it. The germans decide to send help to iraq.
The storm hits the channel in D-Day, not days later.
The allies do send troops to help Finland against the USSR.
The US carriers are in Pearl Harbor.
The french are a little more helpfull towards the Spanish republic and send weapons. The SCW is still going on in sept. 1939.
The spanish republicans have more success in their offensives in 1937 and 1938. Same result as above.
A panzer commander takes initiative and keeps on towards Leningrad in summer 1941, after taking the brigdes over the river,instead of following orders and stopping. The city falls.
The germans capture the polish intelligence agents before they fly to England with Enigma.
A japanese scout plane decides to fly a little more and sees the american fleet on Midway.
The iraquis storm the RAF base in Habbaniya and take it. The germans decide to send help to iraq.
The storm hits the channel in D-Day, not days later.
The allies do send troops to help Finland against the USSR.
The US carriers are in Pearl Harbor.
The french are a little more helpfull towards the Spanish republic and send weapons. The SCW is still going on in sept. 1939.
The spanish republicans have more success in their offensives in 1937 and 1938. Same result as above.