List of US presidents in case of Confederate victory.

1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 16th [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Thaddeus Stevens (Radical) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th[4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
1941-1949: Wendell Wilkie (Republican) 30th
1949-1957: Harry s. Truman (Liberal) 31th
1957-1965: Richard Nixon (Republican) 32th


[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette

William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease.
 
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Didn't Eugene V. Debs die of heart failure on October 20, 1926, at the age of 70? How is this cured doing one of the most stressful job in the world for another 3 years?

It's an ATL, so obviously things are going different than in OTL.

But fine, keep making changes because you don't like them.

I'm out of this.
 
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 16th [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Thaddeus Stevens (Radical) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th[4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
1941-1949: Wendell Wilkie (Republican) 30th
1949-1957: Harry s. Truman (Liberal) 31st
1957-1965: Richard Nixon (Republican) 32nd
1965-1969: John F. Kennedy (Liberal) 33rd

[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease,
 
It's an ATL, so obviously things are going different than in OTL.

But fine, keep making changes because you don't like them.

I'm out of this.

Please dont get the wrong end of the stick Queen Edward II³-(IV+II²) it was a good suggestion just like our suggestion of the Republicans burning out t become a nothing party. But altought thins will be different thrn in our OTL making someone live over their natural death is usually highly unlikely.
 
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 16th [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Thaddeus Stevens (Radical) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th[4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
1941-1949: Wendell Wilkie (Republican) 30th
1949-1957: Harry s. Truman (Liberal) 31st
1957-1965: Richard Nixon (Republican) 32nd
1965-1968: John F. Kennedy (Liberal) 33rd[5]
1968-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (Liberal) 34rd
1969-1970: Ronald Reagan (Republican) 35nd[6]
1970-1973: Spiro Agnew (Republican) 36nd


[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease,
[5] Kennedy died of cancer 12. January 1968
[5] Reagan was shot dead by Adam Smith on 4. April 1970
 
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Please dont get the wrong end of the stick Queen Edward II³-(IV+II²) it was a good suggestion just like our suggestion of the Republicans burning out t become a nothing party. But altought thins will be different thrn in our OTL making someone live over their natural death is usually highly unlikely.

Utterly ridiculous. The PoD in this scenario was during Debs' childhood, no one could speak of any sort of predestined date of death here.

If you so desperately want to push an agenda, fine. But don't complain if nobody else wants to participate in the thread, then.
 
Utterly ridiculous. The PoD in this scenario was during Debs' childhood, no one could speak of any sort of predestined date of death here.

If you so desperately want to push an agenda, fine. But don't complain if nobody else wants to participate in the thread, then.

What was the cause of death? Was it related to life style? Some types of illness would result in death at about the same time even in an ATL. Don´t get me wrong. I think it would have been cool if he had won, but even if he had been alive, it is pretty ASB to get a socialist president in the USA.
 
1861-1863: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 16th [1]
1863-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) 17th
1865-1869: Thaddeus Stevens (Radical) 18th
1869-1877: Schuyler Colfax (Republican) 19th
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 20th
1881-1889: James A. Garfield (Republican) 21st
1889-1897: George Armstrong Custer (New Whig) 22nd
1897-1905: William McKinley (Republican) 23rd [2]
1905-1913: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) 24
1913-1921: William Randolph Hearst (National Union Party) 25th
1921-1925: Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 26th [3]
1925-1930: William H. Taft (Republican) 27th[4]
1930-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 28th
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Liberal) 29th
1941-1949: Wendell Wilkie (Republican) 30th
1949-1957: Harry s. Truman (Liberal) 31st
1957-1965: Richard Nixon (Republican) 32nd
1965-1968: John F. Kennedy (Liberal) 33rd[5]
1968-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson (Liberal) 34rd
1969-1970: Ronald Reagan (Republican) 35nd[6]
1970-1977: Spiro Agnew (Republican) 36nd
1977-1985: Robert Kennedy (Liberal) 37nd
1985-1993: Bob Dole (Republican) 38nd
1993-2001: Al Gore (Liberal) 39nd
2001-2005: John Kerry (Liberal) 40th
2005-2009: John McCain (Republican) 41st
2009-2017: Barack Obama (Liberal) 42nd



[1] Resigned by lack of confidence and talks of impeachment.
[2] Deadlock in the electoral college resulted in a Republican President (William McKinley) and a Democratic-Labor, a merger of the old Democratic party and various populists parties,Vice-President (William Jennings Bryan).
[3] Former Vice President to Theodore Roosevelt and Senator of California Hiram Johnson, won the Progressive nomination, and then went on to beat, Republican Ohio Senator, Warren G. Harding, NUP Governor of Ohio, James M. Cox and New Whig, New York Governor, Al Smith.
[4] After President Johnson declined re-nomination due to health issues his Vice President, former Kentucky Senator, Oscar Underwood stood in the 1924 election for the Progressive, with the Republican's electing, 67 year old William H. Taft, NUP nominating John W. Davis and New Whig, went with Robert M. La Follette
William Taft was elected as the 27th President, however after being re-elected in 1928, half way through his second, he began suffering from medical problems, doctors tried helping but five weeks later, most of which was spent in a state of semi-consciousness, Taft died on March 8, 1930, from cardiovascular disease,
[5] Kennedy died of cancer 12. January 1968
[5] Reagan was shot dead by Adam Smith on 4. April 1970
 
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Someone here would maybe note that the Cuban missile crisis happens when Nixon is president and that he might be crazy enough to start a nuclear war. Don´t worry. In this time line, Cuba becomes a part of the CSA in 1890 and Fidel Castro is a famous actor.
 
Someone here would maybe note that the Cuban missile crisis happens when Nixon is president and that he might be crazy enough to start a nuclear war. Don´t worry. In this time line, Cuba becomes a part of the CSA in 1890 and Fidel Castro is a famous actor.

Love this idea, so in 1959, at the age of 30, Fidel Castro became the first Cuban actor to be credited as a main charater in The Texan, where he played Bill Longley, a Confederate captain from the American Civil War who on his pinto, Domino, roams the American West but stops to help people in need. A fast gun and the enemy of all lawbreakers, this "Robin Hood of the West" seems to appear nearly everywhere in the post-war years, not just in Texas.
This is the launch of Castro's career that spans from 1955-2000.

List of Confederate presidents in case of Confederate victory.
1862 - 1868: Jefferson F. Davis (Nonpartisan) [1]

[1] After winning the civil war and regaining control of the Confederate economy, Jefferson Davis was seen as a hero to many, but as the Confederate constitution stated, the President can only have six years in office but only hold office for one term, so in 1868, Davis stood down and retired into CSA history as its first and one of its greatest Presidents.
 
Nitpick. All the Presidents from Hoover on were born post-ACW, so would more than likely have been butterflied away.
 
Also, Johnson, Gore, and arguably Truman were all from the South, so they wouldn't be American even with a butterfly net.
 
List of Confederate presidents in case of Confederate victory.
1862 - 1868: Jefferson F. Davis (Nonpartisan) [1]
1868 - 1874: J.E.B. Stuart (Tory) [2]

[1] After winning the civil war and regaining control of the Confederate economy, Jefferson Davis was seen as a hero to many, but as the Confederate constitution stated, the President can only have six years in office but only hold office for one term, so in 1868, Davis stood down and retired into CSA history as its first and one of its greatest Presidents.
[2] After Robert E. Lee refused to run, the Tory Party, named so because of its support for the nation above the states, nominaed J.E.B. Stuart, a Civil War hero. He won the election with quite a bit of competition from his rival Daniel Adams. His presidency saw quite a bit of arguing with the north, though no wars broke out. The army remained large, despite disapproval from the opposition.
 
Nitpick. All the Presidents from Hoover on were born post-ACW, so would more than likely have been butterflied away.

Yes, I know. That is the problem with making such a list. Such big changes would mean that other people would have been born, since people´s life would have been changed, so they would have done other things, including marrying other people, or if they married the same persons, at least having sex at different times, so having other children than in OTL.
 
List of Confederate presidents in case of Confederate victory.
1862 - 1868: Jefferson F. Davis (Nonpartisan) [1]
1868 - 1874: J.E.B. Stuart (Tory) [2]
1874 - 1880: Reed N. Weisiger (Dixiecrats) [3]

[1] After winning the civil war and regaining control of the Confederate economy, Jefferson Davis was seen as a hero to many, but as the Confederate constitution stated, the President can only have six years in office but only hold office for one term, so in 1868, Davis stood down and retired into CSA history as its first and one of its greatest Presidents.
[2] After Robert E. Lee refused to run, the Tory Party, named so because of its support for the nation above the states, nominaed J.E.B. Stuart, a Civil War hero. He won the election with quite a bit of competition from his rival Daniel Adams. His presidency saw quite a bit of arguing with the north, though no wars broke out. The army remained large, despite disapproval from the opposition.
[3] After Daniel Adams' death in 1872, the Dixiecrats (who were a mix of former Democrats and supporters of States' Rights) chose Texas Governor, Reed N. Weisiger to be their candidate, and saw a tight election against former general, Police Commissioner, Nathan Bedford Forrest, who stood for the Tory Party.
Weisiger's presidency saw peaceful diplomatic talks between himself and Rutherford B. Hayes.

Yes, I know. That is the problem with making such a list. Such big changes would mean that other people would have been born, since people´s life would have been changed, so they would have done other things, including marrying other people, or if they married the same persons, at least having sex at different times, so having other children than in OTL.

But this is just a suggestion, for all we know the parents of Johnson, Gore, and Truman could have chosen to leave the CSA for a better life in the USA.
 
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