List of U.S Presidents (6 year term)

So would we now do Presidents of both countries?

I think his post implied that the US no longer existed. I'm not too sure though.

EDIT: I need to focus more on what I read. It is obvious that both countries exist at the same time.
 
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I think his post implied that the US no longer existed. I'm not too sure though.

EDIT: I need to focus more on what I read. It is obvious that both countries exist at the same time.

Well, okay. That happens sometimes.

Anyway, in keeping with the game, the F.S.A. has six year terms just like the U.S.; I'll be doing the first three presidents of the new country, but it's all free for all after that.
 
In the mean time can we add the presidents from the USA up until 1878?

Sure, I'm sure it'll work out. I'll claim 1872 for the U.S. if nobody minds, btw, as I had something in mind.

Also, here's the first two Presidents of the F.S.A.:

1868-1874: Salmon Chase(Independent)[1]
1874-1880: David Broderick (Federalist)[2]

[1]Salmon Chase, the first President of the new nation, and former governor of Michigan, was elected President by a huge margin.....by over 70%, in fact. He started by opening relations with Mexico and the Dominion of Canada, establishing embassies in Mexico City and Ottawa, respectively.
[2]Broderick, a New Yorker living in Illinois, helped establish formal relations with the Republic of California, then lead by John C. Fremont, in 1875. During his administration, the F.S.A. government also expanded many rights of Native Americans, promising full citizenship to those willing to take it, and setting up councils for those who wished to remain autonomous. Also, women were allowed to vote in local elections for the first time in Minnesota and Michigan, in 1875 and 1878 respectively.
 
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1836: John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1842: William Henry Harrison (Whig)[1]
-1847: John Tyler (Whig)[1]

1848: Franklin Pierce (Democrat)[2]
1854: Lewis Cass (Democrat)
[3]
1860: Robert M.T. Hunter (Democrat)[4]
1866: John C. Breckinridge (Democrat)

[1]Harrison fought a war with Mexico, but ultimately blundered the whole thing, and lost. Under his administration, the state of Indiana legalized slavery in it's southern counties in 1844, horrifying many northerners. Died in office in February 1847. Tyler, who replaced him, wasn't much better.

[2]Unlike Calhoun before him, Pierce was no slaveocrat(Calhoun really only won thanks to a three-way tie between him, Martin Van Buren, and Daniel Webster, that ended with a Congressional solution), but wasn't exactly willing to act too much against them, either. To compensate for losing the Mexican War, Pierce supported moving American settlers to Oregon to have a better claim on the area. Unfortunately, however, this also gave rise to the Kansas-Nebraska problem towards the end(as Oregon was unfit for agricultural slavery for the most part, so would have been filled with Yankees), and when, in October 1854, the government decided that slavery could essentially spread wherever voters wanted it to spread, it inflamed and horrified not just abolitionists and their most ardent sympathizers, but even many in the middle as well. It also helped grow a small, but ever more vocal secessionist movement in many of the northern states.....

[3]Lewis Cass was himself a Yankee Democrat, and from Ohio, but did little to stop the Southerners from continuing to backmail the North, and when the Dred Scott case went thru the Supreme Court in 1858, it ultimately provided just one more spark from the growing movement up North. And the highly controversial Anti-Abolition Act, rammed thru Congress by the Southerners, was pretty much the last straw; it essentially banned abolitionism in any state that allowed for laws restricting abolitionist speech. And then there was the attempt to rid Indiana of slavery in 1859, which failed, and, as it was revealed years later, not without significant amounts of fraud committed by pro-slavery forces in that state. It has also been suggested by some historians, that the failure of the Fillmore/Chase Republican Party ticket to win in 1854 may also have been partly thanks to fraud & incompetence.

[4]Robert Hunter was also far from being a Calhounist, but, like Cass, he, too, was unwilling to deal with the Southern Fire-Eaters(not secessionist ITTL, but just as pro-slavery), but also tried to compromise with Yankees to keep the Union together. Unfortunately, though, it was just too little, and too late for anything to be done. In late August, 1862, delegates from the New England States, New York, and New Jersey all met in Hartford, Conn. to discuss the possibility of secession from the U.S.; the meeting lasted all of two weeks, and many came out in favor of the measure. Similar meetings were also held in Chicago, St. Paul, and Lansing, with much the same result. Now, it was clear. Civil war was now imminent.

Vermont was the first state to leave, on February 24, 1863. Maine followed on Feb. 27th, then Connecticut on March 6th, Mass. on March 12th, Rhode Island on March 27th, New Hampshire on March 31st, New York on April 7th, and New Jersey on April 19th. The Re-Unionists were, initially, unwilling to go to war with the breakaway states, but over the summer and fall of that year, a number of skirmishes had taken place in the area, particularly in Pennsylvania. But the real fighting would begin in October when Southron partisans attacked an abolitionist outpost in Maryland, killing 2 dozen people. They then travelled up the Delaware towards Philadelphia and it's N.J. suburbs, causing mayhem wherever they went. The New Jersey National Guard went after them and killed all but a few, then they dragged the captured survivors to prison in their state. Federal Troops, commanded by J.E.B. Stuart, then proceeded to invade the state of Pennsylvania and ransacked several of the towns to the southwest of Philly before occupying the region. And it was there, that on November 22nd, the first significant battle of the war would occur when the Re-Unionist forces tried to force their way into southern New Jersey. On that same day, a well-loved governor of Maryland was shot and killed, supposedly* by an anti-war activist. Tensions had finally exploded over.....And by the end of 1863, Minnesota(July 4th), Illinois(August 24th), Michigan(August 30th), Iowa(September 24th), and northern Indiana(November 14th) had followed, and Pennsylvania and northern Ohio in April 1864. Attempts by Kansas and the Jefferson and New Mexico Territories to secede had ended in failure, but not without plenty of losses for the Re-Unionists.

By April, 1866, the Yankees had won, with even the pro-slavery government in Bloomington in Indiana having been beaten back.....leaving the rump United States battered and bruised, and trying to figure out what went wrong.....

With victory now theirs, the anti-slavery states(Kansas excepted), gathered together to form a new nation, and called it the "Federal States of America", with the capital in Lansing, Michigan.

*Supposedly, as in, it's not known for sure.
 
Oops accidentally posted for 1872. Didn't noticed CaliBoy claimed it, Sorry.
 
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Um... bump? CaliBoy we're waiting, man.

Sorry about the wait. I'd actually written something up yesterday, but my browser(Opera) was screwing up pretty bad for some reason. :( I'll try to recreate it here, though.

1836: John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1842: William Henry Harrison (Whig)[1]

-1847: John Tyler (Whig)[1]

1848: Franklin Pierce (Democrat)[2]
1854: Lewis Cass (Democrat)[3]
1860: Robert M.T. Hunter (Democrat)[4]
1866: John C. Breckinridge (Democrat)[5]

1872: William Mahone (New Federalist)[6]


[1]Harrison fought a war with Mexico, but ultimately blundered the whole thing, and lost. Under his administration, the state of Indiana legalized slavery in it's southern counties in 1844, horrifying many northerners. Died in office in February 1847. Tyler, who replaced him, wasn't much better.

[2]Unlike Calhoun before him, Pierce was no slaveocrat(Calhoun really only won thanks to a three-way tie between him, Martin Van Buren, and Daniel Webster, that ended with a Congressional solution), but wasn't exactly willing to act too much against them, either. To compensate for losing the Mexican War, Pierce supported moving American settlers to Oregon to have a better claim on the area. Unfortunately, however, this also gave rise to the Kansas-Nebraska problem towards the end(as Oregon was unfit for agricultural slavery for the most part, so would have been filled with Yankees), and when, in October 1854, the government decided that slavery could essentially spread wherever voters wanted it to spread, it inflamed and horrified not just abolitionists and their most ardent sympathizers, but even many in the middle as well. It also helped grow a small, but ever more vocal secessionist movement in many of the northern states.....

[3]Lewis Cass was himself a Yankee Democrat, and from Ohio, but did little to stop the Southerners from continuing to backmail the North, and when the Dred Scott case went thru the Supreme Court in 1858, it ultimately provided just one more spark from the growing movement up North. And the highly controversial Anti-Abolition Act, rammed thru Congress by the Southerners, was pretty much the last straw; it essentially banned abolitionism in any state that allowed for laws restricting abolitionist speech. And then there was the attempt to rid Indiana of slavery in 1859, which failed, and, as it was revealed years later, not without significant amounts of fraud committed by pro-slavery forces in that state. It has also been suggested by some historians, that the failure of the Fillmore/Chase Republican Party ticket to win in 1854 may also have been partly thanks to fraud & incompetence.

[4]Robert Hunter was also far from being a Calhounist, but, like Cass, he, too, was unwilling to deal with the Southern Fire-Eaters(not secessionist ITTL, but just as pro-slavery), but also tried to compromise with Yankees to keep the Union together. Unfortunately, though, it was just too little, and too late for anything to be done. In late August, 1862, delegates from the New England States, New York, and New Jersey all met in Hartford, Conn. to discuss the possibility of secession from the U.S.; the meeting lasted all of two weeks, and many came out in favor of the measure. Similar meetings were also held in Chicago, St. Paul, and Lansing, with much the same result. Now, it was clear. Civil war was now imminent.

Vermont was the first state to leave, on February 24, 1863. Maine followed on Feb. 27th, then Connecticut on March 6th, Mass. on March 12th, Rhode Island on March 27th, New Hampshire on March 31st, New York on April 7th, and New Jersey on April 19th. The Re-Unionists were, initially, unwilling to go to war with the breakaway states, but over the summer and fall of that year, a number of skirmishes had taken place in the area, particularly in Pennsylvania. But the real fighting would begin in October when Southron partisans attacked an abolitionist outpost in Maryland, killing 2 dozen people. They then travelled up the Delaware towards Philadelphia and it's N.J. suburbs, causing mayhem wherever they went. The New Jersey National Guard went after them and killed all but a few, then they dragged the captured survivors to prison in their state. Federal Troops, commanded by J.E.B. Stuart, then proceeded to invade the state of Pennsylvania and ransacked several of the towns to the southwest of Philly before occupying the region. And it was there, that on November 22nd, the first significant battle of the war would occur when the Re-Unionist forces tried to force their way into southern New Jersey. On that same day, a well-loved governor of Maryland was shot and killed, supposedly* by an anti-war activist. Tensions had finally exploded over.....And by the end of 1863, Minnesota(July 4th), Illinois(August 24th), Michigan(August 30th), Iowa(September 24th), and northern Indiana(November 14th) had followed, and Pennsylvania and northern Ohio in April 1864. Attempts by Kansas and the Jefferson and New Mexico Territories to secede had ended in failure, but not without plenty of losses for the Re-Unionists.

By April, 1866, the Yankees had won, with even the pro-slavery government in Bloomington in Indiana having been beaten back.....leaving the rump United States battered and bruised, and trying to figure out what went wrong.....

With victory now theirs, the anti-slavery states(Kansas excepted), gathered together to form a new nation, and called it the "Federal States of America", with the capital in Lansing, Michigan.

*Supposedly, as in, it's not known for sure.

[5]Breckinridge had been saddled with trying to deal with the aftermath of the Northern secession, and the concerns of an imminent economic breakdown. After the North broke off, many factory owners in Baltimore, Louisville, Richmond, Montgomery and other cities, found themselves in a serious bind, and quite a few decided to just sell and hope to recuperate some of their lost profits. Unfortunately, this only made things worse and soon, the already devastated banks found themselves crumbling under pressure. The recession that finally did occur in 1870, would be the worst one on record. But not everyone languished....some still wealthy slaveowners found a perfect opprotunity to expand by buying up abandoned factories and other buildings; the gamble worked well for some, not so much for others. However, though, this also had the effect of steadily raising the unemployment rate amongst free whites.....and the Democrats only made matters worse by brushing it all off.

[6]William Mahone, the Virginia congressman, rose to prominence amongst the ranks of the more liberal congressmen and joined the promising New Federalist party when it formed in 1870. Mahone, though once a slaveholder himself, had rejected the institution and built himself a business instead.....which soon prospered, and Mahone found himself championing the interests of fellow small businessmen, which won him many friends in western Virginia.

Mahone won office on the heels of a notable backlash against the Democratic Party and it's numerous failures. His main accomplishment was establishing a few more regulations for businesses....and, moreover, digging the economy out of it's hole. Which required stepping on quite a few backs, especially that of wealthy slaveowners. And unfortunately for him, this earned him a LOT of obstructionism from his opponents.
 
1836: John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1842: William Henry Harrison (Whig)[1]

-1847: John Tyler (Whig)[1]
1848: Franklin Pierce (Democrat)[2]
1854: Lewis Cass (Democrat)[3]
1860: Robert M.T. Hunter (Democrat)[4]
1866: John C. Breckinridge (Democrat)[5]
1872: William Mahone (New Federalist)[6]
1878: Thomas Andrews Hendricks (Democrat)


[1]Harrison fought a war with Mexico, but ultimately blundered the whole thing, and lost. Under his administration, the state of Indiana legalized slavery in it's southern counties in 1844, horrifying many northerners. Died in office in February 1847. Tyler, who replaced him, wasn't much better.

[2]Unlike Calhoun before him, Pierce was no slaveocrat(Calhoun really only won thanks to a three-way tie between him, Martin Van Buren, and Daniel Webster, that ended with a Congressional solution), but wasn't exactly willing to act too much against them, either. To compensate for losing the Mexican War, Pierce supported moving American settlers to Oregon to have a better claim on the area. Unfortunately, however, this also gave rise to the Kansas-Nebraska problem towards the end(as Oregon was unfit for agricultural slavery for the most part, so would have been filled with Yankees), and when, in October 1854, the government decided that slavery could essentially spread wherever voters wanted it to spread, it inflamed and horrified not just abolitionists and their most ardent sympathizers, but even many in the middle as well. It also helped grow a small, but ever more vocal secessionist movement in many of the northern states.....

[3]Lewis Cass was himself a Yankee Democrat, and from Ohio, but did little to stop the Southerners from continuing to backmail the North, and when the Dred Scott case went thru the Supreme Court in 1858, it ultimately provided just one more spark from the growing movement up North. And the highly controversial Anti-Abolition Act, rammed thru Congress by the Southerners, was pretty much the last straw; it essentially banned abolitionism in any state that allowed for laws restricting abolitionist speech. And then there was the attempt to rid Indiana of slavery in 1859, which failed, and, as it was revealed years later, not without significant amounts of fraud committed by pro-slavery forces in that state. It has also been suggested by some historians, that the failure of the Fillmore/Chase Republican Party ticket to win in 1854 may also have been partly thanks to fraud & incompetence.

[4]Robert Hunter was also far from being a Calhounist, but, like Cass, he, too, was unwilling to deal with the Southern Fire-Eaters(not secessionist ITTL, but just as pro-slavery), but also tried to compromise with Yankees to keep the Union together. Unfortunately, though, it was just too little, and too late for anything to be done. In late August, 1862, delegates from the New England States, New York, and New Jersey all met in Hartford, Conn. to discuss the possibility of secession from the U.S.; the meeting lasted all of two weeks, and many came out in favor of the measure. Similar meetings were also held in Chicago, St. Paul, and Lansing, with much the same result. Now, it was clear. Civil war was now imminent.

Vermont was the first state to leave, on February 24, 1863. Maine followed on Feb. 27th, then Connecticut on March 6th, Mass. on March 12th, Rhode Island on March 27th, New Hampshire on March 31st, New York on April 7th, and New Jersey on April 19th. The Re-Unionists were, initially, unwilling to go to war with the breakaway states, but over the summer and fall of that year, a number of skirmishes had taken place in the area, particularly in Pennsylvania. But the real fighting would begin in October when Southron partisans attacked an abolitionist outpost in Maryland, killing 2 dozen people. They then travelled up the Delaware towards Philadelphia and it's N.J. suburbs, causing mayhem wherever they went. The New Jersey National Guard went after them and killed all but a few, then they dragged the captured survivors to prison in their state. Federal Troops, commanded by J.E.B. Stuart, then proceeded to invade the state of Pennsylvania and ransacked several of the towns to the southwest of Philly before occupying the region. And it was there, that on November 22nd, the first significant battle of the war would occur when the Re-Unionist forces tried to force their way into southern New Jersey. On that same day, a well-loved governor of Maryland was shot and killed, supposedly* by an anti-war activist. Tensions had finally exploded over.....And by the end of 1863, Minnesota(July 4th), Illinois(August 24th), Michigan(August 30th), Iowa(September 24th), and northern Indiana(November 14th) had followed, and Pennsylvania and northern Ohio in April 1864. Attempts by Kansas and the Jefferson and New Mexico Territories to secede had ended in failure, but not without plenty of losses for the Re-Unionists.

By April, 1866, the Yankees had won, with even the pro-slavery government in Bloomington in Indiana having been beaten back.....leaving the rump United States battered and bruised, and trying to figure out what went wrong.....

With victory now theirs, the anti-slavery states(Kansas excepted), gathered together to form a new nation, and called it the "Federal States of America", with the capital in Lansing, Michigan.

*Supposedly, as in, it's not known for sure.

[5]Breckinridge had been saddled with trying to deal with the aftermath of the Northern secession, and the concerns of an imminent economic breakdown. After the North broke off, many factory owners in Baltimore, Louisville, Richmond, Montgomery and other cities, found themselves in a serious bind, and quite a few decided to just sell and hope to recuperate some of their lost profits. Unfortunately, this only made things worse and soon, the already devastated banks found themselves crumbling under pressure. The recession that finally did occur in 1870, would be the worst one on record. But not everyone languished....some still wealthy slaveowners found a perfect opprotunity to expand by buying up abandoned factories and other buildings; the gamble worked well for some, not so much for others. However, though, this also had the effect of steadily raising the unemployment rate amongst free whites.....and the Democrats only made matters worse by brushing it all off.

[6]William Mahone, the Virginia congressman, rose to prominence amongst the ranks of the more liberal congressmen and joined the promising New Federalist party when it formed in 1870. Mahone, though once a slaveholder himself, had rejected the institution and built himself a business instead.....which soon prospered, and Mahone found himself championing the interests of fellow small businessmen, which won him many friends in western Virginia.

Mahone won office on the heels of a notable backlash against the Democratic Party and it's numerous failures. His main accomplishment was establishing a few more regulations for businesses....and, moreover, digging the economy out of it's hole. Which required stepping on quite a few backs, especially that of wealthy slaveowners. And unfortunately for him, this earned him a LOT of obstructionism from his opponents.
 
1836: John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1842: William Henry Harrison (Whig)[1]

-1847: John Tyler (Whig)[1]
1848: Franklin Pierce (Democrat)[2]
1854: Lewis Cass (Democrat)[3]
1860: Robert M.T. Hunter (Democrat)[4]
1866: John C. Breckinridge (Democrat)[5]
1872: William Mahone (New Federalist)[6]
1878: Thomas Andrews Hendricks (Democrat)


[1]Harrison fought a war with Mexico, but ultimately blundered the whole thing, and lost. Under his administration, the state of Indiana legalized slavery in it's southern counties in 1844, horrifying many northerners. Died in office in February 1847. Tyler, who replaced him, wasn't much better.

[2]Unlike Calhoun before him, Pierce was no slaveocrat(Calhoun really only won thanks to a three-way tie between him, Martin Van Buren, and Daniel Webster, that ended with a Congressional solution), but wasn't exactly willing to act too much against them, either. To compensate for losing the Mexican War, Pierce supported moving American settlers to Oregon to have a better claim on the area. Unfortunately, however, this also gave rise to the Kansas-Nebraska problem towards the end(as Oregon was unfit for agricultural slavery for the most part, so would have been filled with Yankees), and when, in October 1854, the government decided that slavery could essentially spread wherever voters wanted it to spread, it inflamed and horrified not just abolitionists and their most ardent sympathizers, but even many in the middle as well. It also helped grow a small, but ever more vocal secessionist movement in many of the northern states.....

[3]Lewis Cass was himself a Yankee Democrat, and from Ohio, but did little to stop the Southerners from continuing to backmail the North, and when the Dred Scott case went thru the Supreme Court in 1858, it ultimately provided just one more spark from the growing movement up North. And the highly controversial Anti-Abolition Act, rammed thru Congress by the Southerners, was pretty much the last straw; it essentially banned abolitionism in any state that allowed for laws restricting abolitionist speech. And then there was the attempt to rid Indiana of slavery in 1859, which failed, and, as it was revealed years later, not without significant amounts of fraud committed by pro-slavery forces in that state. It has also been suggested by some historians, that the failure of the Fillmore/Chase Republican Party ticket to win in 1854 may also have been partly thanks to fraud & incompetence.

[4]Robert Hunter was also far from being a Calhounist, but, like Cass, he, too, was unwilling to deal with the Southern Fire-Eaters(not secessionist ITTL, but just as pro-slavery), but also tried to compromise with Yankees to keep the Union together. Unfortunately, though, it was just too little, and too late for anything to be done. In late August, 1862, delegates from the New England States, New York, and New Jersey all met in Hartford, Conn. to discuss the possibility of secession from the U.S.; the meeting lasted all of two weeks, and many came out in favor of the measure. Similar meetings were also held in Chicago, St. Paul, and Lansing, with much the same result. Now, it was clear. Civil war was now imminent.

Vermont was the first state to leave, on February 24, 1863. Maine followed on Feb. 27th, then Connecticut on March 6th, Mass. on March 12th, Rhode Island on March 27th, New Hampshire on March 31st, New York on April 7th, and New Jersey on April 19th. The Re-Unionists were, initially, unwilling to go to war with the breakaway states, but over the summer and fall of that year, a number of skirmishes had taken place in the area, particularly in Pennsylvania. But the real fighting would begin in October when Southron partisans attacked an abolitionist outpost in Maryland, killing 2 dozen people. They then travelled up the Delaware towards Philadelphia and it's N.J. suburbs, causing mayhem wherever they went. The New Jersey National Guard went after them and killed all but a few, then they dragged the captured survivors to prison in their state. Federal Troops, commanded by J.E.B. Stuart, then proceeded to invade the state of Pennsylvania and ransacked several of the towns to the southwest of Philly before occupying the region. And it was there, that on November 22nd, the first significant battle of the war would occur when the Re-Unionist forces tried to force their way into southern New Jersey. On that same day, a well-loved governor of Maryland was shot and killed, supposedly* by an anti-war activist. Tensions had finally exploded over.....And by the end of 1863, Minnesota(July 4th), Illinois(August 24th), Michigan(August 30th), Iowa(September 24th), and northern Indiana(November 14th) had followed, and Pennsylvania and northern Ohio in April 1864. Attempts by Kansas and the Jefferson and New Mexico Territories to secede had ended in failure, but not without plenty of losses for the Re-Unionists.

By April, 1866, the Yankees had won, with even the pro-slavery government in Bloomington in Indiana having been beaten back.....leaving the rump United States battered and bruised, and trying to figure out what went wrong.....

With victory now theirs, the anti-slavery states(Kansas excepted), gathered together to form a new nation, and called it the "Federal States of America", with the capital in Lansing, Michigan.

*Supposedly, as in, it's not known for sure.

[5]Breckinridge had been saddled with trying to deal with the aftermath of the Northern secession, and the concerns of an imminent economic breakdown. After the North broke off, many factory owners in Baltimore, Louisville, Richmond, Montgomery and other cities, found themselves in a serious bind, and quite a few decided to just sell and hope to recuperate some of their lost profits. Unfortunately, this only made things worse and soon, the already devastated banks found themselves crumbling under pressure. The recession that finally did occur in 1870, would be the worst one on record. But not everyone languished....some still wealthy slaveowners found a perfect opprotunity to expand by buying up abandoned factories and other buildings; the gamble worked well for some, not so much for others. However, though, this also had the effect of steadily raising the unemployment rate amongst free whites.....and the Democrats only made matters worse by brushing it all off.

[6]William Mahone, the Virginia congressman, rose to prominence amongst the ranks of the more liberal congressmen and joined the promising New Federalist party when it formed in 1870. Mahone, though once a slaveholder himself, had rejected the institution and built himself a business instead.....which soon prospered, and Mahone found himself championing the interests of fellow small businessmen, which won him many friends in western Virginia.

Mahone won office on the heels of a notable backlash against the Democratic Party and it's numerous failures. His main accomplishment was establishing a few more regulations for businesses....and, moreover, digging the economy out of it's hole. Which required stepping on quite a few backs, especially that of wealthy slaveowners. And unfortunately for him, this earned him a LOT of obstructionism from his opponents.

OOC: Umm....pardon me, but wasn't Mr. Hendricks from Indiana? As you may recall, the Re-Unionist government in Bloomington was "beaten back"; which means that whole state is part of the F.S.A. now. And, IIRC, Hendricks had been rather opposed to Buchanan's appeasement of Southern slaveowners IOTL, and since the slavers now have much more power in the leftovers of the U.S., I honestly can't see him even moving out of the North, let alone running for office down south(he probably wouldn't have been elected anyway). So I'd like to suggest that you think of someone else; TBH, I just can't see this working.

On another note, I do have one more president for the F.S.A. to submit:

1868: Salmon Chase(Independent)[1]
1874: David Broderick (Federalist)[2]
1880: Samuel Tilden (Republican)[3]


[1]Salmon Chase, the first President of the new nation, and former governor of Michigan, was elected President by a huge margin.....by over 70%, in fact. He started by opening relations with Mexico and the Dominion of Canada, establishing embassies in Mexico City and Ottawa, respectively.
[2]Broderick, a New Yorker living in Illinois, helped establish formal relations with the Republic of California, then lead by John C. Fremont, in 1875. During his administration, the F.S.A. government also expanded many rights of Native Americans, promising full citizenship to those willing to take it, and setting up councils for those who wished to remain autonomous. Also, women were allowed to vote in local elections for the first time in Minnesota and Michigan, in 1875 and 1878 respectively.
[3]Tilden may be best remembered for his support for better wages for laborers, and signing some of the first anti-trust legislation.....though also, for his unwillingness to intervene during the West Virginia Crisis of 1884 after that area of said state tried to break away from the U.S.....and yes, it was over slavery, by the way. By the end of Tilden's term, tensions with the Union were getting slowly but surely worse. His Federalist successor would do everything he could to prevent the outbreak of war.....but many still blamed Tilden for not acting on his own when the U.S. had not yet fully recovered from its war with Mexico and California.....
 
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OOC: Umm....pardon me, but wasn't Mr. Hendricks from Indiana? As you may recall, the Re-Unionist government in Bloomington was "beaten back"; which means that whole state is part of the F.S.A. now. And, IIRC, Hendricks had been rather opposed to Buchanan's appeasement of Southern slaveowners IOTL, and since the slavers now have much more power in the leftovers of the U.S., I honestly can't see him even moving out of the North, let alone running for office down south(he probably wouldn't have been elected anyway). So I'd like to suggest that you think of someone else; TBH, I just can't see this working.

You change it, it's your thread.
 
You change it, it's your thread.

Well, alright, I'll change it myself, if you prefer that instead.

1836: John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1842: William Henry Harrison (Whig)[1]

-1847: John Tyler (Whig)[1]

1848: Franklin Pierce (Democrat)[2]
1854: Lewis Cass (Democrat)[3]
1860: Robert M.T. Hunter (Democrat)[4]
1866: John C. Breckinridge (Democrat)[5]

1872: William Mahone (New Federalist)[6]


[1]Harrison fought a war with Mexico, but ultimately blundered the whole thing, and lost. Under his administration, the state of Indiana legalized slavery in it's southern counties in 1844, horrifying many northerners. Died in office in February 1847. Tyler, who replaced him, wasn't much better.

[2]Unlike Calhoun before him, Pierce was no slaveocrat(Calhoun really only won thanks to a three-way tie between him, Martin Van Buren, and Daniel Webster, that ended with a Congressional solution), but wasn't exactly willing to act too much against them, either. To compensate for losing the Mexican War, Pierce supported moving American settlers to Oregon to have a better claim on the area. Unfortunately, however, this also gave rise to the Kansas-Nebraska problem towards the end(as Oregon was unfit for agricultural slavery for the most part, so would have been filled with Yankees), and when, in October 1854, the government decided that slavery could essentially spread wherever voters wanted it to spread, it inflamed and horrified not just abolitionists and their most ardent sympathizers, but even many in the middle as well. It also helped grow a small, but ever more vocal secessionist movement in many of the northern states.....

[3]Lewis Cass was himself a Yankee Democrat, and from Ohio, but did little to stop the Southerners from continuing to backmail the North, and when the Dred Scott case went thru the Supreme Court in 1858, it ultimately provided just one more spark from the growing movement up North. And the highly controversial Anti-Abolition Act, rammed thru Congress by the Southerners, was pretty much the last straw; it essentially banned abolitionism in any state that allowed for laws restricting abolitionist speech. And then there was the attempt to rid Indiana of slavery in 1859, which failed, and, as it was revealed years later, not without significant amounts of fraud committed by pro-slavery forces in that state. It has also been suggested by some historians, that the failure of the Fillmore/Chase Republican Party ticket to win in 1854 may also have been partly thanks to fraud & incompetence.

[4]Robert Hunter was also far from being a Calhounist, but, like Cass, he, too, was unwilling to deal with the Southern Fire-Eaters(not secessionist ITTL, but just as pro-slavery), but also tried to compromise with Yankees to keep the Union together. Unfortunately, though, it was just too little, and too late for anything to be done. In late August, 1862, delegates from the New England States, New York, and New Jersey all met in Hartford, Conn. to discuss the possibility of secession from the U.S.; the meeting lasted all of two weeks, and many came out in favor of the measure. Similar meetings were also held in Chicago, St. Paul, and Lansing, with much the same result. Now, it was clear. Civil war was now imminent.

Vermont was the first state to leave, on February 24, 1863. Maine followed on Feb. 27th, then Connecticut on March 6th, Mass. on March 12th, Rhode Island on March 27th, New Hampshire on March 31st, New York on April 7th, and New Jersey on April 19th. The Re-Unionists were, initially, unwilling to go to war with the breakaway states, but over the summer and fall of that year, a number of skirmishes had taken place in the area, particularly in Pennsylvania. But the real fighting would begin in October when Southron partisans attacked an abolitionist outpost in Maryland, killing 2 dozen people. They then travelled up the Delaware towards Philadelphia and it's N.J. suburbs, causing mayhem wherever they went. The New Jersey National Guard went after them and killed all but a few, then they dragged the captured survivors to prison in their state. Federal Troops, commanded by J.E.B. Stuart, then proceeded to invade the state of Pennsylvania and ransacked several of the towns to the southwest of Philly before occupying the region. And it was there, that on November 22nd, the first significant battle of the war would occur when the Re-Unionist forces tried to force their way into southern New Jersey. On that same day, a well-loved governor of Maryland was shot and killed, supposedly* by an anti-war activist. Tensions had finally exploded over.....And by the end of 1863, Minnesota(July 4th), Illinois(August 24th), Michigan(August 30th), Iowa(September 24th), and northern Indiana(November 14th) had followed, and Pennsylvania and northern Ohio in April 1864. Attempts by Kansas and the Jefferson and New Mexico Territories to secede had ended in failure, but not without plenty of losses for the Re-Unionists.

By April, 1866, the Yankees had won, with even the pro-slavery government in Bloomington in Indiana having been beaten back.....leaving the rump United States battered and bruised, and trying to figure out what went wrong.....

With victory now theirs, the anti-slavery states(Kansas excepted), gathered together to form a new nation, and called it the "Federal States of America", with the capital in Lansing, Michigan.

*Supposedly, as in, it's not known for sure.

[5]Breckinridge had been saddled with trying to deal with the aftermath of the Northern secession, and the concerns of an imminent economic breakdown. After the North broke off, many factory owners in Baltimore, Louisville, Richmond, Montgomery and other cities, found themselves in a serious bind, and quite a few decided to just sell and hope to recuperate some of their lost profits. Unfortunately, this only made things worse and soon, the already devastated banks found themselves crumbling under pressure. The recession that finally did occur in 1870, would be the worst one on record. But not everyone languished....some still wealthy slaveowners found a perfect opprotunity to expand by buying up abandoned factories and other buildings; the gamble worked well for some, not so much for others. However, though, this also had the effect of steadily raising the unemployment rate amongst free whites.....and the Democrats only made matters worse by brushing it all off.

[6]William Mahone, the Virginia congressman, rose to prominence amongst the ranks of the more liberal congressmen and joined the promising New Federalist party when it formed in 1870. Mahone, though once a slaveholder himself, had rejected the institution and built himself a business instead.....which soon prospered, and Mahone found himself championing the interests of fellow small businessmen, which won him many friends in western Virginia.

Mahone won office on the heels of a notable backlash against the Democratic Party and it's numerous failures. His main accomplishment was establishing a few more regulations for businesses....and, moreover, digging the economy out of it's hole. Which required stepping on quite a few backs, especially that of wealthy slaveowners. And unfortunately for him, this earned him a LOT of obstructionism from his opponents.

1878: Nathan Bedford Forrest (Democrat)[7]
-1881: Andrew J. Hamilton (Democrat)[7]


[7]Forrest, one of the most respected generals of the Civil War era, was elected after voters elected to give the mainstream Democratic Party one last chance to fix the country's woes. Unfortunately, Forrest almost immediately found himself in a bind: tensions with both Mexico and California had gotten so severe that a few occasional hit-and-run clashes had begun to occur along the borders with both nations; much of this was due to the fact that runaway slaves from Texas in particular, as well as in the Jefferson Territory, had begun to escape into Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas, as well as the unincorporated territories claimed by California, during the past decade....and that both Mexico and California, as well as parties in Canada, had been helping to arm anti-slavery militias in Kansas and Missouri.

It also hadn't helped that the F.S.A. had begun negotiations to buy off some of California's less important external territories, particularly those north of the 37th Parallel, which would have caused even more trouble for the U.S.A.; as it was, the F.S.A. already now had most of the former Oregon Country, which was quickly filling up with Yankees, and plenty of immigrants, to boot.

In any case, Forrest had tried to placate many of his opponents and critics by playing a moderate role in his time.....unfortunately for him, however, that would be cut short. On Sept. 7, 1881, he was gunned down in the middle of a speech by an unseen shooter in Independence, Missouri; despite doctors' efforts to save him, he would die of his wounds on Sept. 12th. A Mexican from Louisiana named Narciso Gutierrez was soon fingered for the crime, although his guilt was never proven**, he was hung anyway, during that weekend. Two weeks after Forrest's death, his successor, Andrew J. Hamilton, the former governor of Texas and then VP, learned that the accused shooter was connected to a radical leftist group operating out of San Francisco. On the night of Sept. 26th, Hamilton would declare war on both Mexico and California......

Ultimately, however, the U.S. would fall short of it's final goal once again. California lost the Arizona and Montezuma Districts to the U.S., but held it's own just fine otherwise, and the closest U.S. troops ever got to Sacramento was the tiny desert town of Fort Barstow, in November 1882. Northern Mexico suffered a fair bit of damage, and Texas now stretched all the way south to the mouth of the Rio Bravo for the first time, but, otherwise, Mexico also pushed back. As a consequence of the war, California President John C. Fremont, Jr., finalized the sale of several territories to the F.S.A., most notably including the Deseret area around Salt Lake, as well as the areas to the east of that; this benefitted both nations because the Yankees now had even more territory to settle, but it also gave California less worries about losing territory to the renegade Unionists.

Hamilton's failures, meanwhile, essentially ensured the end of the Democratic Party, which had already been fracturing but now found itself surely broken. In 1886, a new party formed: the New America Party, allying itself with the more liberal of New Federalists, eventually absorbing many of them. Two years later, the National Party formed in response; this was the right-wing party, the party of the slaveowners, nativists, and, to some extent, the southern half of the Fundamentalist movement, which was growing in both of the American nations, but quite a bit more so in the South than up North.

There were several major differences between Northern and Southern Fundamentalists; though they did share a few key tenets in common, such as abstinence from unmarried sexual activity and temperance, that's about where it ends. The Northern Fundamentalists were generally focused on charity work, opening up soup kitchens, and were mainly anti-alcohol; they were also largely somewhat more progressive on racial issues, and some were often rather critical of big business malpractices. Their Southern brethren, however, not so much. Firstly, Southern Fundies tended to be quite nativistic, pro-slavery and very much against charity; many also advocated militarism. Their temperance movements also differed from that of the Yankees; their main gripe was against not alcohol, but rather, marijuana, a drug which had only recently made it's way out of Mexico but was already viewed as an evil of great proportions(probably greatly exacerbated by the death of President Forrest.). They were also heavily opposed to labor movements, seeing that as a sure slippery slope to laziness and godlessness; feminism was also viewed in a similar light(whereas Northerners tended to be quite tolerant, or even accepting in some cases). And there was a small, but growing sect of extremists who believed that whites were not only the superior race, but even God's "chosen people", the people who were preordained to rule the world.....(basically TTL's version of Christian Identity). And amongst it's most prominent adherents included Robert B. Rhett, Jr., the Lt. Governor of South Carolina.....who would play his own role in events to come.....

Also, does anyone want to try their hand at F.S.A. Presidents? :)
 
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