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Holy Roman Empire
973 A.D.
 
now thats a saxyman worthy empire

In OTL the Carolingian Empire split in three, and ended up as two: HRE/Germany and France with the middle not holding or going to one or the other. The HRE was the super state of the Middle Ages and France was the weak man, but by the early modern age they'd switched places.

Now with the Empire not splitting- which way will it go? Will it be a super superstate -or- an Empire in name only as the weak man of Europe?
 
In OTL the Carolingian Empire split in three, and ended up as two: HRE/Germany and France with the middle not holding or going to one or the other. The HRE was the super state of the Middle Ages and France was the weak man, but by the early modern age they'd switched places.

Now with the Empire not splitting- which way will it go? Will it be a super superstate -or- an Empire in name only as the weak man of Europe?

All we can hope is that Voltaire doesn’t exist ITL
 
What if Charles the Younger had been the son to outlive Charlemagne and then had only one heir so the Empire was never divided?

Emperors of the Western Holy Roman Empire

800 - 814: Charlemagne AKA Charles I (Carolingian)
814 - 849: Charles II the Younger (Carolingian) [1]
849 - 855: Lothair I (Carolingian) [2]
855 - 886: Henry I (Arnulfingian) [3]
886 - 897: Pepin IV (Carolingian) [4]


Years of many Emperors (897-922) [5]

897 - 911: Gisela (Carolingian)
898 - 904: Lothair II (Carolingian)
897 - 936: Theudric V (Merovingian)
898 - 922: Henry II (Arnulfingian)
897 - 899: Robert (Arnulfingian)


Emperors of the Reformed Holy Roman Empire

897 - 936: Theudric V (Merovingian)
936 - 973: Clovis V (Merovingian) [6]

Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire

973 - 1004:
Theudric VI "The Peaceful" (Merovingian) [7]

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Charlemagne
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Charles the Younger
[1] Charles was the second son of Charlemagne to live to adulthood and became his prime heir when his older brother, Pippin the Hunchback, led a rebellion that failed in 792 when Charles was 20. In 796 a treaty was made between the Franks and Merica and Charles married Ælfflæd, the daughter of Offa. On Christmas Day 800 when his father was crowned Emperor of the Western Roman Empire (after 324 years of no Western Emperors), Charlemagne had Charles crowned King of the Franks; he was 28. His younger brother Pepin of Italy died of disease in 810 and then his youngest and only other surviving heir, Louis of Aquitane, died in 811 of a stroke. At the age of 41 he became the Emperor of the Western Holy Roman Empire and Ælfflæd was crowned Empress.

Charles did not expand the Empire except in Spain, where he reclaimed Barcelona from the Moors. He died at the age of 77. He broke tradition by having named only one heir to inherit the entire Empire and had had his son, Lothair, crowned as co-Emperor in 830 so there was no doubt who would succeed him.

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[2] Lothair was Charles the Younger's only son, and only heir. Made Co-Emperor at the age of 35 in 830, he married Ingeltrude of Madrie and she swiftly provided three sons, the youngest of whom was shipped off to join the priesthood when it became clear the elder two would live to adulthood, marry and provide heirs. Lothair, however, had a very short reign of only six years - with his wife passing away after only two years as Empress. A mission to find a second wife for Lothair commenced, and Waldrada of Worms, daughter of Waldraith (whose father had been Charles I's brother-in-law) and Robert III of Worms, was pushed forward by her brother, Robert IV of Worms. But before the marriage could be consummated, the Emperor died of a sweating sickness and the new Empress was left widowed - so the imperial court began to maneuvere her as a bride for Lothairs unmarried second son, but he was resistant to the idea.

Lothair was replaced by his distant relative, Henry.

[3] Henry was a ruler from another Arnulfing line, from which the Karolings also came from. He was son of Dagobert, Count of Metz, married Ethelgarda, the daughter of Count Anjou, with whom he had three sons and four daughters. He was elected King of the Franks (855) and Western Roman Emperor (856). As an emperor, he led the Frankish troops to capture Zaragoza, leading further fights in Spain.

[4] After the death of Henry, many saw that his eldest son would become the next Holy Roman Emperor. However, Pepin, descending from Carloman, younger brother of Charlemagne, would plan to claim the throne. In the night, Henry's heir would be dead in his chambers, supposedly assassinated. Fearing that they would be next, Henry's surviving sons would flee from the realm and seek allies to fight for their claim. While the sons fled, Pepin would make a power-grab, grabbing the roles of Holy Roman Emperor and King of the Franks on the same week, leaving much distaste from the nobles . While in throne, Pepin would marry Hiltrude, a daughter of Henry to strengthen his claim. With Hiltrude, he would be cursed with only daughters. A son would not come. While many questioned Pepin's rule, he would try to gain the populace's favor, he led a major campaign in Spain, taking much land. He would plan to continue his invasion of Spain, until death befell the man. Viking raiders began sacking in the northern realm, and when Pepin came to face this threat at the Battle of Rouen.

In the beginning, the fight favored the Emperor. However, a contingent of soldiers led by Rollo The Walker would flank the Emperor's forces, and as he ordered his troops to hold their position, a spear was pierced into Pepin's chest. His men broke and the sight, and as the Viking army chased the Franks, Pepin died alone in the rot-filled battlefield. After his sudden death, many people wished to stake their claim on the Holy Roman Empire. Sons of Henry had made allies and wished to gain their birthright as Emperor. Nobles married to Pepin's daughters wished to have one of them be crowned Empress and have their dynasty rule afterwards. Even without any legal claim to the throne, many lords wished to wipe away current claims and place their houses at the throne.

Soon, Robert, third son of Henry, landed on the shores of where the rivers of Dordogne and Garonne split. William, spouse to Gisela, first daughter of Pepin IV, would have his wife crowned as Empress. The nobles of Austerasia would soon revolt after Gisela's coronation, saying a woman shouldn't rule the realm and naming Theuderic as the true Holy Roman Emperor, claiming he is descended from Childeric III, the last Merovingian king of the Franks, however with little truth to back it up. There is truly chaos in the realm under the reign of Empress Gisela.

[5] As war erupted across the whole of the HRE, it was split between four emperors. The first split came just after Empress Gisela's coronation, while she held held Aquitaine and Burgundy, Austerasia, Nuestria, and Saxony would declare for the young Theudric the "Merovingian" and spain would declare for Robert the Arnulfingian. the rest of the empire would remain silent on the matter until 898. In this one year, two more pretenders appeared. Lothair II, Pepin's nephew, who took Alemania and Bavaria, and Henry II, a cousin of Roberts, would take the italian holdings and be crowned Holy Roman Emperor by Pope Stephen VII.

With the battle lines drawn, conflict was immediate, but from an unexpected source. The first conflict broke out between the two Arnulfingian branches. Robert and Henry II's armys would clash repeatedly over the next two years, until, at the battle of Toulon in 899, Robert would be slain in battle, turning the spanish dominions over to the Popes Emperor. This would strengthen Henry II, but also made him a target for the other pretenders.

Then in 901, Theudric & Henry would ally to overthrow Lothair, who had just engaged Gisela's forces. within three years Lothair was a prisoner of Theudric's, and Gisela was on the back foot. By 910, Gisela had lost control of Burgundy and Aquitane was crumbling underneath her, she would surrender to Theudric the following year. this left only two claimants, Henry II, chosen man of the pope, and Theudric, chosen son of the northern empire. while a few years of peace would sit between the two emperors, by 913 they were once again at war. for nine years they would clash, until, in 922, Henry II and his lands were excommunicated by the rebellious Pope Theodore III, whom was formerly a cardinal from Theudrics own domains. From here Henry's power base collapsed, and Theudric was able to claim the throne. After he was coronated, Theufric would make the throne a Salic one, preventing any woman from holding the throne.

While he was victorious, Theudric would still have to fend off the other powers that had nibbled away at the empires borders in the quarter century long civil war. for the next fourteen years Theudric would spend time fighting against resurgent moors in spain, Byzantine incursions into italy, and german forces in east. Yet he would not be able to totally restore the empire, and would leave the work unfinished when he passed away in 936, leaving the throne to his son Clovis.

[6] Born in 912, the first son of Theudric was of course named after his famous forebear. During the years of his father's uncontested reign the foes threatening the Empire to the east were a buffer to the newest threat to Europe, the Maygars. In his first years, Clovis, realized the real threat was to the east of what had ever been part of the Empire and the way to bring the Germans and Italians into the fold, the way for them to realize they needed the Empire, was to pacify the Maygars.

In 937 Imperial forces invaded Pannonia and incorporated the heathens into the Empire. The king of the Maygars converted and bent the knee to the Emperor. Quickly the borders were secure everywhere except Spain. For the rest of his reign, Clovis' battles were expanding into Spain. Meanwhile the German tribes to the east one by one joined the Empire.

The result was that the Empire became the strongest it had been for a century. By the time his son, Theudric, became Emperor, the Empire was no longer called "Western" or "Reformed," just "Holy."

[7] Theudric was unlike his father and his grandfather, as he refused to carry a sword, even before he was Emperor. Although steadfast in his belief that war was a bad tool of society, he became well versed in economics, diplomacy, and philosophy. By the time he was Emperor, he made a peace treaty with the Qurtuba at Iberia, ceasing conflicts with one another. He would often give the realms east of his empire tributary bribes to stop raids. Although seen as a weak ruler, he was unwavering against the raids of vikings.

Using his diplomacy and philosophical skills, he sowed factions within the realm of Sweyn Folkbeard, King of Denmark & Norway, starting a civil war where the nobles of Norway chose Olaf II Haraldsson as the King of Norway, bringing Viking raiders from the coasts of the Holy Roman Empire to the Baltic Sea. This war would be fairly quick, with Norway being rid of the rule of Sweyn, but the crippling after effects would have less raids for Theudric.

Theudric would not marry, as it was revealed that Theudric was unable to have children. Because of this, many saw to kill the Emperor and replace him with his brother, but he would survive these attempts, with only old age being able to deal a swift blow. With his death at 1004, his nephew,_________, would gain the throne of Holy Roman Emperor.
 
What if Charles the Younger had been the son to outlive Charlemagne and then had only one heir so the Empire was never divided?

Emperors of the Western Holy Roman Empire

800 - 814: Charlemagne AKA Charles I (Carolingian)
814 - 849: Charles II the Younger (Carolingian) [1]
849 - 855: Lothair I (Carolingian) [2]
855 - 886: Henry I (Arnulfingian) [3]
886 - 897: Pepin IV (Carolingian) [4]


Years of many Emperors (897-922) [5]

897 - 911: Gisela (Carolingian)
898 - 904: Lothair II (Carolingian)
897 - 936: Theudric V (Merovingian)
898 - 922: Henry II (Arnulfingian)
897 - 899: Robert (Arnulfingian)


Emperors of the Reformed Holy Roman Empire

897 - 936: Theudric V (Merovingian)
936 - 973: Clovis V (Merovingian) [6]

Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire

973 - 1004:
Theudric VI "The Peaceful" (Merovingian) [7]
1004 - 1049: Clovis VI (Merovingian) [8]

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Charlemagne
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Charles the Younger
[1] Charles was the second son of Charlemagne to live to adulthood and became his prime heir when his older brother, Pippin the Hunchback, led a rebellion that failed in 792 when Charles was 20. In 796 a treaty was made between the Franks and Merica and Charles married Ælfflæd, the daughter of Offa. On Christmas Day 800 when his father was crowned Emperor of the Western Roman Empire (after 324 years of no Western Emperors), Charlemagne had Charles crowned King of the Franks; he was 28. His younger brother Pepin of Italy died of disease in 810 and then his youngest and only other surviving heir, Louis of Aquitane, died in 811 of a stroke. At the age of 41 he became the Emperor of the Western Holy Roman Empire and Ælfflæd was crowned Empress.

Charles did not expand the Empire except in Spain, where he reclaimed Barcelona from the Moors. He died at the age of 77. He broke tradition by having named only one heir to inherit the entire Empire and had had his son, Lothair, crowned as co-Emperor in 830 so there was no doubt who would succeed him.

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[2] Lothair was Charles the Younger's only son, and only heir. Made Co-Emperor at the age of 35 in 830, he married Ingeltrude of Madrie and she swiftly provided three sons, the youngest of whom was shipped off to join the priesthood when it became clear the elder two would live to adulthood, marry and provide heirs. Lothair, however, had a very short reign of only six years - with his wife passing away after only two years as Empress. A mission to find a second wife for Lothair commenced, and Waldrada of Worms, daughter of Waldraith (whose father had been Charles I's brother-in-law) and Robert III of Worms, was pushed forward by her brother, Robert IV of Worms. But before the marriage could be consummated, the Emperor died of a sweating sickness and the new Empress was left widowed - so the imperial court began to maneuvere her as a bride for Lothairs unmarried second son, but he was resistant to the idea.

Lothair was replaced by his distant relative, Henry.

[3] Henry was a ruler from another Arnulfing line, from which the Karolings also came from. He was son of Dagobert, Count of Metz, married Ethelgarda, the daughter of Count Anjou, with whom he had three sons and four daughters. He was elected King of the Franks (855) and Western Roman Emperor (856). As an emperor, he led the Frankish troops to capture Zaragoza, leading further fights in Spain.

[4] After the death of Henry, many saw that his eldest son would become the next Holy Roman Emperor. However, Pepin, descending from Carloman, younger brother of Charlemagne, would plan to claim the throne. In the night, Henry's heir would be dead in his chambers, supposedly assassinated. Fearing that they would be next, Henry's surviving sons would flee from the realm and seek allies to fight for their claim. While the sons fled, Pepin would make a power-grab, grabbing the roles of Holy Roman Emperor and King of the Franks on the same week, leaving much distaste from the nobles . While in throne, Pepin would marry Hiltrude, a daughter of Henry to strengthen his claim. With Hiltrude, he would be cursed with only daughters. A son would not come. While many questioned Pepin's rule, he would try to gain the populace's favor, he led a major campaign in Spain, taking much land. He would plan to continue his invasion of Spain, until death befell the man. Viking raiders began sacking in the northern realm, and when Pepin came to face this threat at the Battle of Rouen.

In the beginning, the fight favored the Emperor. However, a contingent of soldiers led by Rollo The Walker would flank the Emperor's forces, and as he ordered his troops to hold their position, a spear was pierced into Pepin's chest. His men broke and the sight, and as the Viking army chased the Franks, Pepin died alone in the rot-filled battlefield. After his sudden death, many people wished to stake their claim on the Holy Roman Empire. Sons of Henry had made allies and wished to gain their birthright as Emperor. Nobles married to Pepin's daughters wished to have one of them be crowned Empress and have their dynasty rule afterwards. Even without any legal claim to the throne, many lords wished to wipe away current claims and place their houses at the throne.

Soon, Robert, third son of Henry, landed on the shores of where the rivers of Dordogne and Garonne split. William, spouse to Gisela, first daughter of Pepin IV, would have his wife crowned as Empress. The nobles of Austerasia would soon revolt after Gisela's coronation, saying a woman shouldn't rule the realm and naming Theuderic as the true Holy Roman Emperor, claiming he is descended from Childeric III, the last Merovingian king of the Franks, however with little truth to back it up. There is truly chaos in the realm under the reign of Empress Gisela.

[5] As war erupted across the whole of the HRE, it was split between four emperors. The first split came just after Empress Gisela's coronation, while she held held Aquitaine and Burgundy, Austerasia, Nuestria, and Saxony would declare for the young Theudric the "Merovingian" and spain would declare for Robert the Arnulfingian. the rest of the empire would remain silent on the matter until 898. In this one year, two more pretenders appeared. Lothair II, Pepin's nephew, who took Alemania and Bavaria, and Henry II, a cousin of Roberts, would take the italian holdings and be crowned Holy Roman Emperor by Pope Stephen VII.

With the battle lines drawn, conflict was immediate, but from an unexpected source. The first conflict broke out between the two Arnulfingian branches. Robert and Henry II's armys would clash repeatedly over the next two years, until, at the battle of Toulon in 899, Robert would be slain in battle, turning the spanish dominions over to the Popes Emperor. This would strengthen Henry II, but also made him a target for the other pretenders.

Then in 901, Theudric & Henry would ally to overthrow Lothair, who had just engaged Gisela's forces. within three years Lothair was a prisoner of Theudric's, and Gisela was on the back foot. By 910, Gisela had lost control of Burgundy and Aquitane was crumbling underneath her, she would surrender to Theudric the following year. this left only two claimants, Henry II, chosen man of the pope, and Theudric, chosen son of the northern empire. while a few years of peace would sit between the two emperors, by 913 they were once again at war. for nine years they would clash, until, in 922, Henry II and his lands were excommunicated by the rebellious Pope Theodore III, whom was formerly a cardinal from Theudrics own domains. From here Henry's power base collapsed, and Theudric was able to claim the throne. After he was coronated, Theufric would make the throne a Salic one, preventing any woman from holding the throne.

While he was victorious, Theudric would still have to fend off the other powers that had nibbled away at the empires borders in the quarter century long civil war. for the next fourteen years Theudric would spend time fighting against resurgent moors in spain, Byzantine incursions into italy, and german forces in east. Yet he would not be able to totally restore the empire, and would leave the work unfinished when he passed away in 936, leaving the throne to his son Clovis.

[6] Born in 912, the first son of Theudric was of course named after his famous forebear. During the years of his father's uncontested reign the foes threatening the Empire to the east were a buffer to the newest threat to Europe, the Maygars. In his first years, Clovis, realized the real threat was to the east of what had ever been part of the Empire and the way to bring the Germans and Italians into the fold, the way for them to realize they needed the Empire, was to pacify the Maygars.

In 937 Imperial forces invaded Pannonia and incorporated the heathens into the Empire. The king of the Maygars converted and bent the knee to the Emperor. Quickly the borders were secure everywhere except Spain. For the rest of his reign, Clovis' battles were expanding into Spain. Meanwhile the German tribes to the east one by one joined the Empire.

The result was that the Empire became the strongest it had been for a century. By the time his son, Theudric, became Emperor, the Empire was no longer called "Western" or "Reformed," just "Holy."

[7] Theudric was unlike his father and his grandfather, as he refused to carry a sword, even before he was Emperor. Although steadfast in his belief that war was a bad tool of society, he became well versed in economics, diplomacy, and philosophy. By the time he was Emperor, he made a peace treaty with the Qurtuba at Iberia, ceasing conflicts with one another. He would often give the realms east of his empire tributary bribes to stop raids. Although seen as a weak ruler, he was unwavering against the raids of vikings.

Using his diplomacy and philosophical skills, he sowed factions within the realm of Sweyn Folkbeard, King of Denmark & Norway, starting a civil war where the nobles of Norway chose Olaf II Haraldsson as the King of Norway, bringing Viking raiders from the coasts of the Holy Roman Empire to the Baltic Sea. This war would be fairly quick, with Norway being rid of the rule of Sweyn, but the crippling after effects would have less raids for Theudric.

Theudric would not marry, as it was revealed that Theudric was unable to have children. Because of this, many saw to kill the Emperor and replace him with his brother, but he would survive these attempts, with only old age being able to deal a swift blow. With his death at 1004, his nephew, Clovis, the Red Prince, would gain the throne of Holy Roman Emperor.

[8] Born in 981, and named after his grandfather, Clovis had earned distinction as one of the most successful German commanders before the age of 23 and his succession in 1004.

From the age of 15, he served in the Iberia Pennisula, defeating many attempts from the Moorish army from invading their land. This reputation gave him many nicknames, such as the Hammer of the Moors, but the name that stuck the most was the Red Prince in honour of his armour which had been made red by the excess of blood stains.

In 999, he married Duchess Theresa Astur-Leonese, daughter of Ordoño III, Duke of Leon, a formidable nobleman in the Iberian Army. Together they would have eight children.

With the death of his father, Charles, in 1001, Clovis became heir to his weak uncle’s throne. He spoke with his close noblemen and advisers to form a council that ruled the Empire behind his uncle’s back.

They wouldn’t have to wait long, for three years later Theuderic died naturally, allowing Clovis to rule fully.

Within the first month, Clovis got hid it all the weak people that had turned the Empire into a pacifist nation, bringing in his own people that went about improving the army and building defensive structures.

At his death aged 68, he had seen an Emire rise to a large militarised state that either ruled or had vassal control over most of Europe.
He was succeeded by his eldest son/grandson, _________, forcing his other children and grandchildren to pledge loyalty to his heir before he died.
 
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What if Charles the Younger had been the son to outlive Charlemagne and then had only one heir so the Empire was never divided?

Emperors of the Western Holy Roman Empire

800 - 814: Charlemagne AKA Charles I (Carolingian)
814 - 849: Charles II the Younger (Carolingian) [1]
849 - 855: Lothair I (Carolingian) [2]
855 - 886: Henry I (Arnulfingian) [3]
886 - 897: Pepin IV (Carolingian) [4]


Years of many Emperors (897-922) [5]

897 - 911: Gisela (Carolingian)
898 - 904: Lothair II (Carolingian)
897 - 936: Theudric V (Merovingian)
898 - 922: Henry II (Arnulfingian)
897 - 899: Robert (Arnulfingian)


Emperors of the Reformed Holy Roman Empire

897 - 936: Theudric V (Merovingian)
936 - 973: Clovis V (Merovingian) [6]

Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire

973 - 1004:
Theudric VI "The Peaceful" (Merovingian) [7]
1004 - 1049: Clovis VI (Merovingian) [8]
1049 - 1067: Charles III "The Broad" (Merovingian) [9]


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Charlemagne
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Charles the Younger
[1] Charles was the second son of Charlemagne to live to adulthood and became his prime heir when his older brother, Pippin the Hunchback, led a rebellion that failed in 792 when Charles was 20. In 796 a treaty was made between the Franks and Merica and Charles married Ælfflæd, the daughter of Offa. On Christmas Day 800 when his father was crowned Emperor of the Western Roman Empire (after 324 years of no Western Emperors), Charlemagne had Charles crowned King of the Franks; he was 28. His younger brother Pepin of Italy died of disease in 810 and then his youngest and only other surviving heir, Louis of Aquitane, died in 811 of a stroke. At the age of 41 he became the Emperor of the Western Holy Roman Empire and Ælfflæd was crowned Empress.

Charles did not expand the Empire except in Spain, where he reclaimed Barcelona from the Moors. He died at the age of 77. He broke tradition by having named only one heir to inherit the entire Empire and had had his son, Lothair, crowned as co-Emperor in 830 so there was no doubt who would succeed him.

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[2] Lothair was Charles the Younger's only son, and only heir. Made Co-Emperor at the age of 35 in 830, he married Ingeltrude of Madrie and she swiftly provided three sons, the youngest of whom was shipped off to join the priesthood when it became clear the elder two would live to adulthood, marry and provide heirs. Lothair, however, had a very short reign of only six years - with his wife passing away after only two years as Empress. A mission to find a second wife for Lothair commenced, and Waldrada of Worms, daughter of Waldraith (whose father had been Charles I's brother-in-law) and Robert III of Worms, was pushed forward by her brother, Robert IV of Worms. But before the marriage could be consummated, the Emperor died of a sweating sickness and the new Empress was left widowed - so the imperial court began to maneuvere her as a bride for Lothairs unmarried second son, but he was resistant to the idea.

Lothair was replaced by his distant relative, Henry.

[3] Henry was a ruler from another Arnulfing line, from which the Karolings also came from. He was son of Dagobert, Count of Metz, married Ethelgarda, the daughter of Count Anjou, with whom he had three sons and four daughters. He was elected King of the Franks (855) and Western Roman Emperor (856). As an emperor, he led the Frankish troops to capture Zaragoza, leading further fights in Spain.

[4] After the death of Henry, many saw that his eldest son would become the next Holy Roman Emperor. However, Pepin, descending from Carloman, younger brother of Charlemagne, would plan to claim the throne. In the night, Henry's heir would be dead in his chambers, supposedly assassinated. Fearing that they would be next, Henry's surviving sons would flee from the realm and seek allies to fight for their claim. While the sons fled, Pepin would make a power-grab, grabbing the roles of Holy Roman Emperor and King of the Franks on the same week, leaving much distaste from the nobles . While in throne, Pepin would marry Hiltrude, a daughter of Henry to strengthen his claim. With Hiltrude, he would be cursed with only daughters. A son would not come. While many questioned Pepin's rule, he would try to gain the populace's favor, he led a major campaign in Spain, taking much land. He would plan to continue his invasion of Spain, until death befell the man. Viking raiders began sacking in the northern realm, and when Pepin came to face this threat at the Battle of Rouen.

In the beginning, the fight favored the Emperor. However, a contingent of soldiers led by Rollo The Walker would flank the Emperor's forces, and as he ordered his troops to hold their position, a spear was pierced into Pepin's chest. His men broke and the sight, and as the Viking army chased the Franks, Pepin died alone in the rot-filled battlefield. After his sudden death, many people wished to stake their claim on the Holy Roman Empire. Sons of Henry had made allies and wished to gain their birthright as Emperor. Nobles married to Pepin's daughters wished to have one of them be crowned Empress and have their dynasty rule afterwards. Even without any legal claim to the throne, many lords wished to wipe away current claims and place their houses at the throne.

Soon, Robert, third son of Henry, landed on the shores of where the rivers of Dordogne and Garonne split. William, spouse to Gisela, first daughter of Pepin IV, would have his wife crowned as Empress. The nobles of Austerasia would soon revolt after Gisela's coronation, saying a woman shouldn't rule the realm and naming Theuderic as the true Holy Roman Emperor, claiming he is descended from Childeric III, the last Merovingian king of the Franks, however with little truth to back it up. There is truly chaos in the realm under the reign of Empress Gisela.

[5] As war erupted across the whole of the HRE, it was split between four emperors. The first split came just after Empress Gisela's coronation, while she held held Aquitaine and Burgundy, Austerasia, Nuestria, and Saxony would declare for the young Theudric the "Merovingian" and spain would declare for Robert the Arnulfingian. the rest of the empire would remain silent on the matter until 898. In this one year, two more pretenders appeared. Lothair II, Pepin's nephew, who took Alemania and Bavaria, and Henry II, a cousin of Roberts, would take the italian holdings and be crowned Holy Roman Emperor by Pope Stephen VII.

With the battle lines drawn, conflict was immediate, but from an unexpected source. The first conflict broke out between the two Arnulfingian branches. Robert and Henry II's armys would clash repeatedly over the next two years, until, at the battle of Toulon in 899, Robert would be slain in battle, turning the spanish dominions over to the Popes Emperor. This would strengthen Henry II, but also made him a target for the other pretenders.

Then in 901, Theudric & Henry would ally to overthrow Lothair, who had just engaged Gisela's forces. within three years Lothair was a prisoner of Theudric's, and Gisela was on the back foot. By 910, Gisela had lost control of Burgundy and Aquitane was crumbling underneath her, she would surrender to Theudric the following year. this left only two claimants, Henry II, chosen man of the pope, and Theudric, chosen son of the northern empire. while a few years of peace would sit between the two emperors, by 913 they were once again at war. for nine years they would clash, until, in 922, Henry II and his lands were excommunicated by the rebellious Pope Theodore III, whom was formerly a cardinal from Theudrics own domains. From here Henry's power base collapsed, and Theudric was able to claim the throne. After he was coronated, Theufric would make the throne a Salic one, preventing any woman from holding the throne.

While he was victorious, Theudric would still have to fend off the other powers that had nibbled away at the empires borders in the quarter century long civil war. for the next fourteen years Theudric would spend time fighting against resurgent moors in spain, Byzantine incursions into italy, and german forces in east. Yet he would not be able to totally restore the empire, and would leave the work unfinished when he passed away in 936, leaving the throne to his son Clovis.

[6] Born in 912, the first son of Theudric was of course named after his famous forebear. During the years of his father's uncontested reign the foes threatening the Empire to the east were a buffer to the newest threat to Europe, the Maygars. In his first years, Clovis, realized the real threat was to the east of what had ever been part of the Empire and the way to bring the Germans and Italians into the fold, the way for them to realize they needed the Empire, was to pacify the Maygars.

In 937 Imperial forces invaded Pannonia and incorporated the heathens into the Empire. The king of the Maygars converted and bent the knee to the Emperor. Quickly the borders were secure everywhere except Spain. For the rest of his reign, Clovis' battles were expanding into Spain. Meanwhile the German tribes to the east one by one joined the Empire.

The result was that the Empire became the strongest it had been for a century. By the time his son, Theudric, became Emperor, the Empire was no longer called "Western" or "Reformed," just "Holy."

[7] Theudric was unlike his father and his grandfather, as he refused to carry a sword, even before he was Emperor. Although steadfast in his belief that war was a bad tool of society, he became well versed in economics, diplomacy, and philosophy. By the time he was Emperor, he made a peace treaty with the Qurtuba at Iberia, ceasing conflicts with one another. He would often give the realms east of his empire tributary bribes to stop raids. Although seen as a weak ruler, he was unwavering against the raids of vikings.

Using his diplomacy and philosophical skills, he sowed factions within the realm of Sweyn Folkbeard, King of Denmark & Norway, starting a civil war where the nobles of Norway chose Olaf II Haraldsson as the King of Norway, bringing Viking raiders from the coasts of the Holy Roman Empire to the Baltic Sea. This war would be fairly quick, with Norway being rid of the rule of Sweyn, but the crippling after effects would have less raids for Theudric.

Theudric would not marry, as it was revealed that Theudric was unable to have children. Because of this, many saw to kill the Emperor and replace him with his brother, but he would survive these attempts, with only old age being able to deal a swift blow. With his death at 1004, his nephew, Clovis, the Red Prince, would gain the throne of Holy Roman Emperor.

[8] Born in 981, and named after his grandfather, Clovis had earned distinction as one of the most successful German commanders before the age of 23 and his succession in 1004.

From the age of 15, he served in the Iberia Pennisula, defeating many attempts from the Moorish army from invading their land. This reputation gave him many nicknames, such as the Hammer of the Moors, but the name that stuck the most was the Red Prince in honour of his armour which had been made red by the excess of blood stains.

In 999, he married Duchess Theresa Astur-Leonese, daughter of Ordoño III, Duke of Leon, a formidable nobleman in the Iberian Army. Together they would have eight children.

With the death of his father, Charles, in 1001, Clovis became heir to his weak uncle’s throne. He spoke with his close noblemen and advisers to form a council that ruled the Empire behind his uncle’s back.

They wouldn’t have to wait long, for three years later Theuderic died naturally, allowing Clovis to rule fully.

Within the first month, Clovis rid the court of all the weak people that had turned the Empire into a pacifist nation, bringing in his own people that went about improving the army and building defensive structures.

At his death aged 68, he had seen an Empire rise to a large militarised state that either ruled or had vassal control over most of Europe.
He was succeeded by his eldest son, Charles, forcing his other children and grandchildren to pledge loyalty to his heir before he died.

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[9] Born in 1002, Charles was raised as a marshal man. From the time he was old enough, Charles was leading men in his fathers armies, campaigning across northern Iberia, Poland, and even conducting raids into the Bulgarian Empire, whose borders had held strong against all forms of invasion. However, at 47, he had not led armies in the field for over a decade, and had grown to an immense size from the rather decadent court at his personal holdings in Anjou. Called "the Broad" in polite company, (and "the Fat" in private) he didnt even fit in the throne for his coronation, and was forced to stand for the entire 6 hour long ceremony in Rome. Yet such trifling matters as these would soon be forgetten when, in 1053, the great hordes of Clovis' enemies rose up to strike at the empire.

Through his fathers conquests, the few remaining independent states of Europe had largely been mauled and left bitter at their humiliation, and they spoke among eachother forming a grand coalition. Qurtuba, under the rule of Caliph Muhammad IV. Poland, under the rule of the Duke-King Casimir I, and Bulgaria, under the rule of Tsar Mihailo I. From all sides these unlikely allies launched the greatest war yet known to man. Hundreds of thousands of men would march against the Empire of the Franks.

Charles was scrambling, with the polish invasion, many men on the eastern frontier of the empire flocked to Casimirs banner, as did the slavs of the south, with Magyars rising in independant Revolt. Only in the west was he somewhat secure. There, on the peaks of the Pyrenees, his armies under the command of Guillaume II (Duke of Aquitaine) halted the Islamic horde in its tracks, for two years they would battle across the mountains, each trying to find the others weakness, until, at the Battle of Noain, Guillaume smashed the armies of Qurtuba and killed Caliph Muhammad IV. that peace would end with all the lands down to the city of Qurtuba itself swearing to the Emperor.

However, on the front with Poland things were dire. Under Charles personal command, the armies in the east had done well to keep things stalemated. With constant desertions, and raiding constantly interrupting supplies, they were nearly dissolving around the emperor. for months, as Guillame won victory in Iberia, Charles struggled against the brilliant mind that was Casimir of Poland. This man, a king calling himself a duke, had proven himself one of the greatest military minds of the last century, winning several battles with markedly inferior quality and number of troops. Indeed, by 1056, even with Guillaume at his side, Charles sued for peace. The terms would see Poland increase in size immensely, with its new borders reaching as far west as the city of Brandenburg. For his role in building a new and empowered Poland, Casimir I would be titled Casimir the Restorer, and would be crowned the first true King of Poland in half a century.

Now, with the armies in the east free, they turned south towards Bulgaria and the Magyar rebellion. When they arrived it was chaos. The armies of the empire were scattered and decimated. Bulgarian and Magyar forces had united and driven as far north as the Danube river. However, Tsar Mihailo, and the self crowned King of the Magyars, Andrew the White, (whom had deposed the magyar Duke Peter that had sworn fealty to the empire), were at odds, nearly at each others throats, and the Arrival of the Emperors armies did little to stop the fighting. the disunity of his opponents allowed the Emperor to crush both the magyars and a large portion of the bulgarians at the battle of Bileca. However, even though the emperor was victorious in the field, he still could not breach into Bulgaria, a prize that eluded him now as it had in his younger days. But the war was won, and the empire mostly saved. Emperor Charles III would spend the next ten years consolidating his gains in Iberia, and keeping the borders of his empire secure. He would pass away at the age of 65, leaving the throne to his eldest son, __________.
 

Crystal

Banned
What if Henry VIII's and Catherine of Aragon's son had survived?

Monarchs of England and Ireland

1547 - 1572: Henry IX "the Bloody" (House of Tudor) [1]
[1] Henry was raised to be a Catholic by his parents, and so was very concerned with preserving the true faith among his population, often by bloody or violent means. His father Henry VIII had faced problems with heretics, and this problems had continued under his own reign. In 1550, there was a rebellion by the Protestant population in London, which led to a massacre by Henry's Catholic forces against the peasantry which became known as Bloody August due it happening throughout the month of August.

Henry oversaw the expansion of the English army and navy, which he used to crush dissidents and instil fear onto his subjects. However, he also used said army against the Scottish in the invasion of 1554.

The invading English proved effective against the Scots, and Scotland was annexed. However local resistant militias remained commonplace even at the end of his reign.

Henry married Isabella de Medici, a Catholic who bore him many children,

When the French Wars of Religion broke out, Henry stayed out of the war, claiming it would be too costly for the Kingdom, and would yield little results.

Henry died age 61, and was succeeded by his _, _.
 
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What if Henry VIII's and Catherine of Aragon's son had survived?

Monarchs of England and Ireland


1509 - 1547: Henry VIII (House of Tudor)
1547 - 1572: Henry IX "the Bloody" (House of Tudor) [1]
1572 - 1586: Phillip I "the Pious" (House of Tudor) [2]


[1] Henry was raised to be a Catholic by his parents, and so was very concerned with preserving the true faith among his population, often by bloody or violent means. His father Henry VIII had faced problems with heretics, and this problems had continued under his own reign. In 1550, there was a rebellion by the Protestant population in London, which led to a massacre by Henry's Catholic forces against the peasantry which became known as Bloody August due it happening throughout the month of August.

Henry oversaw the expansion of the English army and navy, which he used to crush dissidents and instil fear onto his subjects. However, he also used said army against the Scottish in the invasion of 1554.

The invading English proved effective against the Scots, and Scotland was annexed. However local resistant militias remained commonplace even at the end of his reign.

Henry married Isabella de Medici, a Catholic who bore him many children,

When the French Wars of Religion broke out, Henry stayed out of the war, claiming it would be too costly for the Kingdom, and would yield little results.

Henry died age 61, and was succeeded by his second son, Phillp Henry, Cardinal-Duke of York.


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[2] After the Death of Henry, Prince of Wales in 1567 after a bout of Sweating Sickness striking the Palace, killing numerous members of the court as well as the Third son of Henry IX, Edward Duke of Clarence, Phillip was named as Heir to the English throne.

Phillip had been inducted to the Roman Catholic Church in the early 1560s, and through his father's influence, He rapidly was made a Cardinal and Bishop of Ferrara. At the time of the Bout of the Sickness, He was in Rome, and made his way to England when he heard the news.

After his arrival in Westminster, his crowning was one of the few moments where he removed his Cardinal's cap, and for the remainder of his reign, the cap would remain atop his royal head. For the coronation, beside him stood his sole remaining brother, Prince Louis, Duke of Lancaster.

His reign, a short fourteen years, restored the image of a Catholic England to much of Europe, mainly through generous donations to the Papacy, but also through the marriage of the two sons of the Duke of Lancaster to two Catholic princesses, firstly to an Infanta of Spain, and secondly to an Infanta of Portugal.

Phillip would frequently return to Rome during his reign, and was said to have taken Papal advice on many matters, and it was on one of the voyages where He was taken ill off shore of Cadiz. His body was returned to England, and a massive Royal funeral took place upon his return.
He was succeeded by his nephew, _____.
 

Crystal

Banned
What if Henry VIII's and Catherine of Aragon's son had survived?

Monarchs of England and Ireland


1509 - 1547: Henry VIII (House of Tudor)
1547 - 1572: Henry IX "the Bloody" (House of Tudor) [1]
1572 - 1586: Phillip I "the Pious" (House of Tudor) [2]
1586 - 1616: Henry X (House of Tudor) [3]









[1] Henry was raised to be a Catholic by his parents, and so was very concerned with preserving the true faith among his population, often by bloody or violent means. His father Henry VIII had faced problems with heretics, and this problems had continued under his own reign. In 1550, there was a rebellion by the Protestant population in London, which led to a massacre by Henry's Catholic forces against the peasantry which became known as Bloody August due it happening throughout the month of August.

Henry oversaw the expansion of the English army and navy, which he used to crush dissidents and instil fear onto his subjects. However, he also used said army against the Scottish in the invasion of 1554.

The invading English proved effective against the Scots, and Scotland was annexed. However local resistant militias remained commonplace even at the end of his reign.

Henry married Isabella de Medici, a Catholic who bore him many children,

When the French Wars of Religion broke out, Henry stayed out of the war, claiming it would be too costly for the Kingdom, and would yield little results.

Henry died age 61, and was succeeded by his second son, Phillp Henry, Cardinal-Duke of York.


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[2] After the Death of Henry, Prince of Wales in 1567 after a bout of Sweating Sickness striking the Palace, killing numerous members of the court as well as the Third son of Henry IX, Edward Duke of Clarence, Phillip was named as Heir to the English throne.

Phillip had been inducted to the Roman Catholic Church in the early 1560s, and through his father's influence, He rapidly was made a Cardinal and Bishop of Ferrara. At the time of the Bout of the Sickness, He was in Rome, and made his way to England when he heard the news.

After his arrival in Westminster, his crowning was one of the few moments where he removed his Cardinal's cap, and for the remainder of his reign, the cap would remain atop his royal head. For the coronation, beside him stood his sole remaining brother, Prince Louis, Duke of Lancaster.

His reign, a short fourteen years, restored the image of a Catholic England to much of Europe, mainly through generous donations to the Papacy, but also through the marriage of the two sons of the Duke of Lancaster to two Catholic princesses, firstly to an Infanta of Spain, and secondly to an Infanta of Portugal.

Phillip would frequently return to Rome during his reign, and was said to have taken Papal advice on many matters, and it was on one of the voyages where He was taken ill off shore of Cadiz. His body was returned to England, and a massive Royal funeral took place upon his return.
He was succeeded by his nephew, _____.

[3] Coming to the throne aged 14, Henry's first few years were marked by the regency of his mother Elizabeth. It was during the final year of her regency the Scottish rose up in defiance of the English King, with the head of the House of Stewart James leading the Stewartist cause. James Stewart enjoyed minor success, before being beaten back by English forces in the battle of Bellingham. When Henry came to the throne, he heroically led his armies into battle against the Scottish. The war was won soon after, and James Stewart was hung drawn and quartered in front of the King and his men.

It was in this early life experience that Henry began to define himself as a military expert, able of besting the strongest armies in Europe. Henry spent much of his reign fighting in Ireland, eventually gaining the whole island.

Henry was often described as envious of the Spanish Empire, wanting the colonies in America that they possessed. In 1602, Henry decided to give his explorers grants so they could found colonies in North America. He founded the English colonies of Virginia, New Berkshire (Modern day North and South Carolina), and Breretonland (named after the explorer John Brereton) and the Bahamas, which became very wealthy and successful colonies.

Henry died unexpectedly of a heart attack age 44, leaving his Kingdom to his _, _.
 
What if Henry VIII's and Catherine of Aragon's son had survived?

Monarchs of England and Ireland


1509 - 1547: Henry VIII (House of Tudor)
1547 - 1572: Henry IX "the Bloody" (House of Tudor) [1]
1572 - 1586: Phillip I "the Pious" (House of Tudor) [2]
1586 - 1616: Henry X (House of Tudor) [3]
1616 - 1639: John II "the Portuguese" (House of Tudor)


[1] Henry was raised to be a Catholic by his parents, and so was very concerned with preserving the true faith among his population, often by bloody or violent means. His father Henry VIII had faced problems with heretics, and this problems had continued under his own reign. In 1550, there was a rebellion by the Protestant population in London, which led to a massacre by Henry's Catholic forces against the peasantry which became known as Bloody August due it happening throughout the month of August.

Henry oversaw the expansion of the English army and navy, which he used to crush dissidents and instil fear onto his subjects. However, he also used said army against the Scottish in the invasion of 1554.

The invading English proved effective against the Scots, and Scotland was annexed. However local resistant militias remained commonplace even at the end of his reign.

Henry married Isabella de Medici, a Catholic who bore him many children,

When the French Wars of Religion broke out, Henry stayed out of the war, claiming it would be too costly for the Kingdom, and would yield little results.

Henry died age 61, and was succeeded by his second son, Phillp Henry, Cardinal-Duke of York.


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[2] After the Death of Henry, Prince of Wales in 1567 after a bout of Sweating Sickness striking the Palace, killing numerous members of the court as well as the Third son of Henry IX, Edward Duke of Clarence, Phillip was named as Heir to the English throne.

Phillip had been inducted to the Roman Catholic Church in the early 1560s, and through his father's influence, He rapidly was made a Cardinal and Bishop of Ferrara. At the time of the Bout of the Sickness, He was in Rome, and made his way to England when he heard the news.

After his arrival in Westminster, his crowning was one of the few moments where he removed his Cardinal's cap, and for the remainder of his reign, the cap would remain atop his royal head. For the coronation, beside him stood his sole remaining brother, Prince Louis, Duke of Lancaster.

His reign, a short fourteen years, restored the image of a Catholic England to much of Europe, mainly through generous donations to the Papacy, but also through the marriage of the two sons of the Duke of Lancaster to two Catholic princesses, firstly to an Infanta of Spain, and secondly to an Infanta of Portugal.

Phillip would frequently return to Rome during his reign, and was said to have taken Papal advice on many matters, and it was on one of the voyages where He was taken ill off shore of Cadiz. His body was returned to England, and a massive Royal funeral took place upon his return.
He was succeeded by his nephew, Prince Henry of Lancaster.

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[3] Coming to the throne aged 14, Henry's first few years were marked by the regency of his mother Elizabeth. It was during the final year of her regency the Scottish rose up in defiance of the English King, with the head of the House of Stewart James leading the Stewartist cause. James Stewart enjoyed minor success, before being beaten back by English forces in the battle of Bellingham. When Henry came to the throne, he heroically led his armies into battle against the Scottish. The war was won soon after, and James Stewart was hung drawn and quartered in front of the King and his men.

It was in this early life experience that Henry began to define himself as a military expert, able of besting the strongest armies in Europe. Henry spent much of his reign fighting in Ireland, eventually gaining the whole island.

Henry was often described as envious of the Spanish Empire, wanting the colonies in America that they possessed. In 1602, Henry decided to give his explorers grants so they could found colonies in North America. He founded the English colonies of Virginia, New Berkshire (Modern day North and South Carolina), and Breretonland (named after the explorer John Brereton) and the Bahamas, which became very wealthy and successful colonies.

Henry died unexpectedly of a heart attack age 44, leaving his Kingdom to his younger, Prince John, Duke of Lancaster.

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[4] The second son of Prince Louis, Duke of Lancaster, John was married to Infanta Beatrice of Portugal shortly before his twelth birthday, and returned with his bride to Lisbon. For much of his brothers reign, he was known simply as the 'Duke of Lancaster' eschewing the typical title of an heir in favour of that which he inherited from his father.

His life in Portugal was a happy one, residing mostly in the Algarve alongside his wife and children, of which he had four sons and three daughters. He would spend his days hunting and residing over a small Manorial court, which was usually filled with English and Irish merchants, seeking to make riches in the foreign ports that Portugal could bring.

After his Brothers death, John returned to England to assume the throne, and was crowned at Westminster as John II of England. His wife and children would follow later, and bring with them their Portuguese culture.

At the crowning of what was essentially a foreign monarch, several Protestant Nobles would rise in East Anglia, and attempt to crown one of their own, The Duke of Suffolk, as King claiming he had right to the throne via his descent from Henry VII.
The Revolt was put down, through extreme measures and the Nobles were each Hung, Drawn and Quartered in the presence of the King.

For the remainder of John's reign, it was largely peaceful, aside from the 'Bishop's War' in Ireland in 1631, an armed dispute between the Anglo-Irish Nobility, and the Catholic Bishops, which was resolved by intervention from the crown. John II would pass after 23 years of ruling, and pass the throne to ______.
 
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