List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Gary Hart, Eliot Spitzer, John Edwards, Mark Sanford, Newt Gingrich, and So On: A List of US Presidents (where they all have OTL sex scandals)
1989-1997: Former Senator Gary Hart of Colorado/Governor Ann Richards of Texas
1988: def. VP George Bush Sr./Governor Terry Branstad of Iowa
1992: def. Senator Connie Mack III of Florida/Governor Pete Wilson of California
1997-2005: Governor Newt Gingrich of Georgia/House Minority Whip Jack Kemp of New York
1996: def. Speaker Dick Gephardt of Missouri/Defense Secretary Sam Nunn of Georgia
2000: def. Senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska/Senator Bill Clinton of Arkansas
2005-2009: House Minority Leader Mark Sanford of South Carolina/Senator John McCain of Arizona
2004: def. Governor John Edwards of North Carolina/Senator Andrew Cuomo of New York (won PV)
2009-2017: Former Governor John Edwards of North Carolina/Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota (2009-2014); VACANT (2014); Attorney General Eliot Spitzer of New York (2014-2017)
2008: def. incumbents
2012: def. Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania/Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona
2017-present: VP Eliot Spitzer of New York/Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio
2016: def. Former Governor Charlie Crist of Florida/Senator Chris Sununu of New Hampshire, Former Governor Mark Huckabee of Arkansas/Former Representative Allen West of Florida
2021-2025: Former President Mark Sanford of South Carolina/Senator Brian Sandoval of Nevada
2020: def. Incumbent/Governor Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, Senator Ro Khanna of California/Representative Tim Ashe of California, Former Senator Ted Cruz of Texas/Representative Tom Cotton of Arkansas
2025-now: House Speaker Katie Hill of California/Governer Gwen Graham of Florida
2024: def. VP Brian Sandoval of Nevada/Commerce Secretary Mitt Romney of New Hampshire, Former Representative Steve King of Iowa/Former Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore of Alabama
2028: Senate Minority Leader Marco Rubio of Florida/Governor Jon Husted of Ohio
 
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Princes of Macedonia:
Simeon I (House of Vardar) 1300-1333
Boris II (House of Vardar) 1333-1391
Ivan III (House of Vardar) 1391-1422
Ivan IV (House of Vardar) 1422-1453
Simeon II (House of Vardar) 1453-1461
Michael I (House of Vardar) 1461-1488
Constantine I “of Skopje” (House of the Lion) 1488-1499
Prince-Electors of Macedonia:
Constantine I “of Skopje” (House of the Lion) 1499-1507
Stephen I (House of the Lion) 1507-1528
Stephen II (House of the Lion) 1528-1532
King of Macedonia:
Stephen I "the Soldier" (House of the Lion) 1532-1537
Macedonian Emperors:
Stephen I "the Soldier" (House of the Lion) 1537-1543
Philip I (House of the Lion) 1543-1574
Alexander I (House of the Lion) 1574-1601
Philip II (House of the Lion) 1601-1635
Philip III “the Three-Day Emperor” (House of the Lion) 1635
Alexander II “the Glorious” (House of the Lion) 1635-1669 (Also known as Alexander the Great Reborn)
Stephen II (House of the Lion) 1669-1715
Alexander III (House of the Lion) 1715-1776
Alexander-Philip I “of Thessaloniki” (House of Macedonia) 1776-1801
Alexios I (House of Macedonia) 1801-1815
Alexander IV (House of Macedonia) 1815-1848
Constantine I (House of Macedonia) 1848-1886
Stephen III (House of Macedonia) 1886-1906
Alexander-Philip II (House of Macedonia) 1906-1927
Alexander V (House of Macedonia) 1927-Present (1950)
Constantine, Prince of Thessaloniki (Heir Apparent)


Both Constantine of Skopje and Stephen II/I (prince/king/emperor) are the same persons, despite change of title and Stephen's number change. The title "the Soldier" is not mentioned with Stephen as a prince since he didn't gain it yet. Principality of Macedonia didn't start in 1300 but that is the date I choose to start it.

From the timeline of these two maps:

Map Thread XIX

The Northern Indies in 1840 Hi! This is a map I made for the MOTF 212, it is probably one of my biggest map so far, and i'm quite proud of it. This is actually supposed to be in the same TL as that Northern Queensland map i made a year ago, which is a TL i've been slowly working on for the...
www.alternatehistory.com

Map Thread XIX

If someone could clear this map of colors save for the geography like rivers n' seas n' shit that'd be fantastic. I found it on the old Middle-earth map thread. It's exactly what I was looking for. Maybe with a bit more cropping to be done but still.
www.alternatehistory.com
 
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Gokbay said:
Princes of Macedonia:
Simeon I (House of Vardar) 1300-1333
Boris II (House of Vardar) 1333-1391
Ivan III (House of Vardar) 1391-1422
Ivan IV (House of Vardar) 1422-1453
Simeon II (House of Vardar) 1453-1461
Michael I (House of Vardar) 1461-1488
Constantine I “of Skopje” (House of the Lion) 1488-1499*
Prince-Electors of Macedonia:
Constantine I “of Skopje” (House of the Lion) 1499-1507*
Stephen I (House of the Lion) 1507-1528
Stephen II (House of the Lion) 1528-1532**
King of Macedonia:
Stephen I "the Soldier" (House of the Lion) 1532-1537**
Macedonian Emperors:
Stephen I "the Soldier" (House of the Lion) 1537-1543**
Philip I (House of the Lion) 1543-1574
Alexander I (House of the Lion) 1574-1601
Philip II (House of the Lion) 1601-1635
Philip III “the Three-Day Emperor” (House of the Lion) 1635
Alexander II “the Glorious” (House of the Lion) 1635-1669 (Also known as Alexander the Great Reborn)
Stephen II (House of the Lion) 1669-1715
Alexander III (House of the Lion) 1715-1776
Alexander-Philip I “of Thessaloniki” (House of Macedonia) 1776-1801
Alexios I (House of Macedonia) 1801-1815
Alexander IV (House of Macedonia) 1815-1848
Constantine I (House of Macedonia) 1848-1886
Stephen III (House of Macedonia) 1886-1906
Alexander-Philip II (House of Macedonia) 1906-1927
Alexander V (House of Macedonia) 1927-Present (1950)
Constantine, Prince of Thessaloniki (Heir Apparent)


Both Constantine of Skopje and Stephen II/I (prince/king/emperor) are the same persons, despite change of title and Stephen's number change. The title "the Soldier" is not mentioned with Stephen as a prince since he didn't gain it yet.

From the timeline of these two maps:

Map Thread XIX

The Northern Indies in 1840 Hi! This is a map I made for the MOTF 212, it is probably one of my biggest map so far, and i'm quite proud of it. This is actually supposed to be in the same TL as that Northern Queensland map i made a year ago, which is a TL i've been slowly working on for the...
www.alternatehistory.com

Map Thread XIX

If someone could clear this map of colors save for the geography like rivers n' seas n' shit that'd be fantastic. I found it on the old Middle-earth map thread. It's exactly what I was looking for. Maybe with a bit more cropping to be done but still.
www.alternatehistory.com
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Counts of Silistra:
Pater III (House of Terter) 1300
Theodore I (House of Terter) 1300-1321
George II (House of Terter) 1321-1322
Michael II (House of Terter) 1322-1330
George III (House of Terter) 1330-1357
Theodore II (House of Terter) 1357-1366
Mariya I (House of Terter) 1366-1384
Michael III (House of Dobruja) 1384-1408
Ivan IV (House of Dobruja) 1408-1426
George IV (House of Dobruja) 1426-1448
George V (House of Dobruja) 1448-1455
Simeon I (House of Dobruja) 1455-1469
George VI (House of Dobruja) 1469-1478
Alexander III (House of Dobruja) 1478-1490
Constantine II (House of Dobruja) 1490-1502
Theodore III (House of Dobruja) 1502-1531
Svetla I (House of Dobruja) 1531-1532
Princes of Silistra:
Svetla I (House of Dobruja) 1532-1541
Ivan I "the Fortunate" (House of the Lion) 1541-1544
Simeon I (House of the Lion) 1544-1555
Ivan II (House of the Lion) 1555-1571

Margraves of Varna:
Pater II (House of Asen) 1300-1307
Ivan Alexander I (House of Asen) 1307-1333
Ivan II Stephen (House of Asen) 1333-1337
Stephen I (House of Asen) 1337
Ivan III (House of Asen) 1337-1345
Ivan IV (House of Asen) 1345-1366
Constantine I (House of Asen) 1366-1381
Alexander II (House of Asen) 1381-1394
Ivan V Constantine (House of Asen) 1394-1419
Pater III (House of Asen) 1419-1420
Stephen II (House of Asen) 1420-1421
Ivan Alexander II (House of Asen) 1421-1444
[INTERREGNUM] 1444-1450
Boris IV "the Usurper" (House of Terter) 1450-1453
Theodore (House of Terter) 1453-1461
Ivan VI (House of Terter) 1461-1469
Constantine II (House of Terter) 1469-1476
Michael I (House of Varna) 1476-1488
Ivan VII (House of Varna) 1488-1494
George II (House of Varna) 1494-1498
Michael II Alexander (House of Varna) 1498-1523
Constantine III "the Proud" (House of Varna) 1523-1532
Grand Princes of the Bulgars:
Constantine I "the Proud" (House of Varna) 1532-1534
Michael Alexander (House of Varna) 1534-1556
George (House of Varna) 1556-1563
Constantine II "the Unfortunate" (House of Varna) 1563-1571

Counts-Bulgar of Sofia (Elector):
Ivan III (House of Asen) 1300-1321
Michael II (House of Asen) 1321-1322
George I (House of Asen) 1322-1324
Constantine II (House of Asen) 1324-1367
Theodore I (House of Asen) 1367-1369
Petar III (House of Asen) 1369-1381
Ivan IV (House of Asen) 1381-1388
Constantine III (House of Asen) 1388-1401
Petar IV (House of Asen) 1401-1430
Michael III (House of Asen) 1430-1436
Stephen I (House of Shishman) 1436-1439
Michael IV (House of Shishman) 1439-1445
Ivan V Stephen (House of Shishman) 1445-1477
Ivan VI Alexander (House of Shishman) 1477-1480
Ivan VII (House of Shishman) 1480-1492
Ivan VIII (House of Shishman) 1492-1498
Alexander I “the Macedonian” (House of the Lion) 1498-1526
Boris III (House of the Lion) 1526-1532
Princes of Bulgaria:
Boris I (House of the Lion) 1532-1538
Ivan I "the Fortunate" (House of the Lion) 1538-1544
Simeon I (House of the Lion) 1544-1555
Ivan II (House of the Lion) 1555-1571
Tsars of Bulgaria:
Ivan I “the Conqueror” (House of the Lion) 1571-1588
Boris I (House of the Lion) 1588-1593
Ivan II (House of the Lion) 1593-1611
Petar I (House of the Lion) 1611-1627
Michael I (House of the Lion) 1627-1646
Boris II (House of the Lion) 1646-1661
Ivan III Stephen (House of the Lion) 1661
Ivan IV Alexander (House of the Lion) 1661-1669
Constantine I (House of the Lion) 1669-1705
Boris III (House of the Lion) 1705-1714
Petar II (House of the Lion) 1714-1735
Ivan V (House of the Lion) 1735-1754
Simeon I (House of the Lion) 1754-1760
Ivan VI (House of the Lion) 1760-1815
Ivan VII (House of the Lion) 1815-1824
Simeon II (House of the Lion) 1824-1852
Alexander I (House of the Lion) 1852-1878
Boris IV (House of Vidin) 1878-1887
Ivan VIII (House of Vidin) 1887-1943
Michael II (House of Vidin) 1943-1946
Boris-Michael I (House of Vidin) 1946-1948
Ivan IX (House of Vidin) 1948-Present (1950)
Alexander, Prince of Turnovo (Heir Apparent)

The same point about 1300 with Macedonia applies here too. Monarch list for the three distinct Bulgarian states. House of Asen ITTL was "the stem duchy" in Bulgaria that later fractured into three parts. In County of Silistra House of Asen had already become extinct by 1300. Silistra also had two female monarchs (Countess Mariya of the House of Terter and Countess/Princess Svetla of the House of Dobruja). Silistra was in Personal Union with Bulgaria (Sofia) after Svetla until its annexation (1571). Varna had a war of succession in 15th century. Like Macedonians rulers at title changes are the same person.
 
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Head of Government in Carolina (NC,SC,GA,FL,AL,MS,TN)

Speaker(Head of Government 1832-1868):
1832-1840: Hugh Lawson White (Independent) (TN)
1840-1848: Willie Person Mangum (Independent) (NC)
1848-1868: Jefferson Davis (Conservative) (MS)

Prime Minister (Head of Government 1868-Present):
1868-1876: Jefferson Davis (Conservative) (MS)
1876-1883: Alexander H. Stephens (Conservative) (GA) (Died in Office)
1883-1896: Matthew Butler (Conservative) (SC)
1896-1904: Marion Butler (Liberal) (NC)
1904-1924: John Sharp Williams (Conservative) (MS)
1924-1932: George L. Berry (Liberal) (TN)
1932-1944: Ellison D. Smith (Conservative) (SC) (Died in Office)
1944-1964: Stom Thurmond (Conservative) (SC)
1964-1968: Martin Luther King Jr. (Change) (AL) (Assasinated)
1968-1976: A. Philip Randolph (Change) (FL)
1976-1984: Jimmy Cater (Progressive Conservative) (GA)
1984-1992: Trent Lott (Christian Union) (MS)
1992-2004: John Lewis (Democratic) (AL)
2004-2008: Fred Thompson (Christian Union) (TN)
2008-2014: John Lewis (Democratic (AL)
2014-2016: Alma Adams (Democratic) (NC)
2016-Present: Marco Rubio (Progressive Conservative) (FL)
 
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Persephone

Gokbay said:
Princes of Macedonia:
Simeon I (House of Vardar) 1300-1333
Boris II (House of Vardar) 1333-1391
Ivan III (House of Vardar) 1391-1422
Ivan IV (House of Vardar) 1422-1453
Simeon II (House of Vardar) 1453-1461
Michael I (House of Vardar) 1461-1488
Constantine I “of Skopje” (House of the Lion) 1488-1499
Prince-Electors of Macedonia:
Constantine I “of Skopje” (House of the Lion) 1499-1507
Stephen I (House of the Lion) 1507-1528
Stephen II (House of the Lion) 1528-1532
King of Macedonia:
Stephen I "the Soldier" (House of the Lion) 1532-1537
Macedonian Emperors:
Stephen I "the Soldier" (House of the Lion) 1537-1543
Philip I (House of the Lion) 1543-1574
Alexander I (House of the Lion) 1574-1601
Philip II (House of the Lion) 1601-1635
Philip III “the Three-Day Emperor” (House of the Lion) 1635
Alexander II “the Glorious” (House of the Lion) 1635-1669 (Also known as Alexander the Great Reborn)
Stephen II (House of the Lion) 1669-1715
Alexander III (House of the Lion) 1715-1776
Alexander-Philip I “of Thessaloniki” (House of Macedonia) 1776-1801
Alexios I (House of Macedonia) 1801-1815
Alexander IV (House of Macedonia) 1815-1848
Constantine I (House of Macedonia) 1848-1886
Stephen III (House of Macedonia) 1886-1906
Alexander-Philip II (House of Macedonia) 1906-1927
Alexander V (House of Macedonia) 1927-Present (1950)
Constantine, Prince of Thessaloniki (Heir Apparent)


Both Constantine of Skopje and Stephen II/I (prince/king/emperor) are the same persons, despite change of title and Stephen's number change. The title "the Soldier" is not mentioned with Stephen as a prince since he didn't gain it yet. Principality of Macedonia didn't start in 1300 but that is the date I choose to start it.

From the timeline of these two maps:

Map Thread XIX

The Northern Indies in 1840 Hi! This is a map I made for the MOTF 212, it is probably one of my biggest map so far, and i'm quite proud of it. This is actually supposed to be in the same TL as that Northern Queensland map i made a year ago, which is a TL i've been slowly working on for the...
www.alternatehistory.com

Map Thread XIX

If someone could clear this map of colors save for the geography like rivers n' seas n' shit that'd be fantastic. I found it on the old Middle-earth map thread. It's exactly what I was looking for. Maybe with a bit more cropping to be done but still.
www.alternatehistory.com
Click to expand...
Gokbay said:
Counts of Silistra:
Pater III (House of Terter) 1300
Theodore I (House of Terter) 1300-1321
George II (House of Terter) 1321-1322
Michael II (House of Terter) 1322-1330
George III (House of Terter) 1330-1357
Theodore II (House of Terter) 1357-1366
Mariya I (House of Terter) 1366-1384
Michael III (House of Dobruja) 1384-1408
Ivan IV (House of Dobruja) 1408-1426
George IV (House of Dobruja) 1426-1448
George V (House of Dobruja) 1448-1455
Simeon I (House of Dobruja) 1455-1469
George VI (House of Dobruja) 1469-1478
Alexander III (House of Dobruja) 1478-1490
Constantine II (House of Dobruja) 1490-1502
Theodore III (House of Dobruja) 1502-1531
Svetla I (House of Dobruja) 1531-1532
Princes of Silistra:
Svetla I (House of Dobruja) 1532-1541
Ivan I "the Fortunate" (House of the Lion) 1541-1544
Simeon I (House of the Lion) 1544-1555
Ivan II (House of the Lion) 1555-1571

Margraves of Varna:
Pater II (House of Asen) 1300-1307
Ivan Alexander I (House of Asen) 1307-1333
Ivan II Stephen (House of Asen) 1333-1337
Stephen I (House of Asen) 1337
Ivan III (House of Asen) 1337-1345
Ivan IV (House of Asen) 1345-1366
Constantine I (House of Asen) 1366-1381
Alexander II (House of Asen) 1381-1394
Ivan V Constantine (House of Asen) 1394-1419
Pater III (House of Asen) 1419-1420
Stephen II (House of Asen) 1420-1421
Ivan Alexander II (House of Asen) 1421-1444
[INTERREGNUM] 1444-1450
Boris IV "the Usurper" (House of Terter) 1450-1453
Theodore (House of Terter) 1453-1461
Ivan VI (House of Terter) 1461-1469
Constantine II (House of Terter) 1469-1476
Michael I (House of Varna) 1476-1488
Ivan VII (House of Varna) 1488-1494
George II (House of Varna) 1494-1498
Michael II Alexander (House of Varna) 1498-1523
Constantine III "the Proud" (House of Varna) 1523-1532
Grand Princes of the Bulgars:
Constantine I "the Proud" (House of Varna) 1532-1534
Michael Alexander (House of Varna) 1534-1556
George (House of Varna) 1556-1563
Constantine II "the Unfortunate" (House of Varna) 1563-1571

Counts-Bulgar of Sofia (Elector):
Ivan III (House of Asen) 1300-1321
Michael II (House of Asen) 1321-1322
George I (House of Asen) 1322-1324
Constantine II (House of Asen) 1324-1367
Theodore I (House of Asen) 1367-1369
Petar III (House of Asen) 1369-1381
Ivan IV (House of Asen) 1381-1388
Constantine III (House of Asen) 1388-1401
Petar IV (House of Asen) 1401-1430
Michael III (House of Asen) 1430-1436
Stephen I (House of Shishman) 1436-1439
Michael IV (House of Shishman) 1439-1445
Ivan V Stephen (House of Shishman) 1445-1477
Ivan VI Alexander (House of Shishman) 1477-1480
Ivan VII (House of Shishman) 1480-1492
Ivan VIII (House of Shishman) 1492-1498
Alexander I “the Macedonian” (House of the Lion) 1498-1526
Boris III (House of the Lion) 1526-1532
Princes of Bulgaria:
Boris I (House of the Lion) 1532-1538
Ivan I "the Fortunate" (House of the Lion) 1538-1544
Simeon I (House of the Lion) 1544-1555
Ivan II (House of the Lion) 1555-1571
Tsars of Bulgaria:
Ivan I “the Conqueror” (House of the Lion) 1571-1588
Boris I (House of the Lion) 1588-1593
Ivan II (House of the Lion) 1593-1611
Petar I (House of the Lion) 1611-1627
Michael I (House of the Lion) 1627-1646
Boris II (House of the Lion) 1646-1661
Ivan III Stephen (House of the Lion) 1661
Ivan IV Alexander (House of the Lion) 1661-1669
Constantine I (House of the Lion) 1669-1705
Boris III (House of the Lion) 1705-1714
Petar II (House of the Lion) 1714-1735
Ivan V (House of the Lion) 1735-1754
Simeon I (House of the Lion) 1754-1760
Ivan VI (House of the Lion) 1760-1815
Ivan VII (House of the Lion) 1815-1824
Simeon II (House of the Lion) 1824-1852
Alexander I (House of the Lion) 1852-1878
Boris IV (House of Vidin) 1878-1887
Ivan VIII (House of Vidin) 1887-1943
Michael II (House of Vidin) 1943-1946
Boris-Michael I (House of Vidin) 1946-1948
Ivan IX (House of Vidin) 1948-Present (1950)
Alexander, Prince of Turnovo (Heir Apparent)

The same point about 1300 with Macedonia applies here too. Monarch list for the three distinct Bulgarian states. House of Asen ITTL was "the stem duchy" in Bulgaria that later fractured into three parts. In County of Silistra House of Asen had already become extinct by 1300. Silistra also had two female monarchs (Countess Mariya of the House of Terter and Countess/Princess Svetla of the House of Dobruja). Silistra was in Personal Union with Bulgaria (Sofia) after Svetla until its annexation (1571). Varna had a war of succession in 15th century. Like Macedonians rulers at title changes are the same person.
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While these are both very cool, we do have a thread for listing alternate monarchs and aristocratic houses, in the Before 1900 section, just in case you wanted to share them there.

List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

An easy way of finding the family tree, based on head of family or point of difference.
www.alternatehistory.com
 

Ethan P

Banned
Obama As FDR (But Not Really):
2009-2017: Senator Barack Obama of Illinois/Senator Joe Biden of Delaware
2008: def. VP Dick Cheney of Wyoming/Former Senator George Allen of Virginia
2012: def. Former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas/Former Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska
2017-2021: VP Joe Biden of Delaware/Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio
2016: def. Senator Brian Sandoval of Nevada/Former Senator Mitt Romney of Massachusetts
2021*: President Joe Biden/Senator Jason Kander of Missouri
2020: def. Governor Charlie Baker of Massachusetts/Senator Rob Portman of Ohio
2021-2023: VP Jason Kander of Missouri/VACANT
2023-2029: President Jason Kander of Missouri/Governor Andy Beshear of Kentucky
2024: def. Governor Charlie Baker of Massachusetts/Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona
2029-2037: General Mark Milley of Texas/Senator Marco Rubio of Florida
2028: def. Governor Danny Biss of Illinois/Senator Jason Carter of Georgia
2032: def. Former Governor Danny Biss of Illinois/Representative Terri Sewell of Alabama
2037-2039: Senator David Wellstone of Minnesota/House Majority Leader Mike Levin of California
2036: def: VP Marco Rubio of Florida/Former Senator Sarah Coleman of Minnesota, Senator Richard Ojeda of West Virginia/various (faithless electors)
2039-2040: VP Mike Levin of California/VACANT
2040-2045: President Mike Levin of California/Senator Seth Moulton of Massachusetts
2040: def. Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri/Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida
2045-2051: Former VP Marco Rubio of Florida/Governor Amanda Chase of Virginia (2045-2050), VACANT (2050), House Minority Leader Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin (2050-2051)
2044: def. VP Seth Moulton of Massachusetts/Senator Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, Senator Richard Ojeda of West Virginia/Governor Dan Crenshaw of Texas
2048: def. Senator Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii/Former UN Ambassador Caroline Kennedy (replaced Senator Ethan Sonneborn of Vermont)
2051-2053: VP Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin/VACANT (2051), Former Governor John James of Michigan
2053-2057: Governor Charles Booker of Kentucky/Senator Jared Golden of Maine
2052: def. President Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin/Senator Josh Romney of Utah
2057-2065: Former Governor Adam Laxalt of Nevada/Former Secretary of State ____________________ of ____________
I need suggestions (can you spot the analogue?)
 
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Banned
Warning
A Bush in the Oval is Worth Two in Retirement: Random List Idea #12
2005 -2013: Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts/Former Senator Max Cleland of Georgia
2004: def. incumbents
2008: def. Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts/Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia
2013-2021: Former Governor Jeb Bush of Florida/Governor Jon Huntsman Jr. of Utah
2012: def. Senator Hillary Clinton of New York/Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio
2016: def. Governor Peter Shumlin of Vermont/Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana
2021-now: Governor Barack Obama of Illinois/Senator Martin Heinrich of New Mexico
2020: def. VP Jon Huntsman Jr. of Utah/Senator Rob Portman of Ohio, Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania/Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio
2024: def. Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas/Governor Greg Abbott of Texas
 

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Boomerang Presidency II

18/20: Ulysses S Grant*(1881-1884)/Marshall Jewell*(1881-1883), George F Edmunds(1884-1885, acting)
19: Rutherford B Hayes/William A Wheeler(1877-1881)
21: Grover Cleveland(1885-1893)/Thomas A Hendricks*(1885), Allen G Thurman(1889-1893)
22: Arthur P Gorman/Adlai Stevenson(1893-1897)
23: Henry C Evans/Frederick D Grant(1897-1905)
24: William Randolph Hearst**/Francis Cockrell(1905-1906)
25: Francis Cockrell(1906-1909)
26: Robert M.La Follette/Warren G Harding(1909-1917)
 
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List of U.S. Presidents and Vice Presidents (1974-present)

38. Rep. Gerald Ford (R-MI) (1974-1981) + Gov. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) (1974-1977) and Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS) (1977-1981)
39. Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) + Gov. Michael Dukakis (D-MA) (1981-1989)
40. Vice President Michael Dukakis (D-MA) + Sen. John Glenn (D-OH) (1989-1993)
41. Sen. George H. W. Bush (R-TX) [1] + Gov. John Ashcroft (R-MO) (1993-2001)
42. Sen. Al Gore (D-TN) + Gov. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) (2001-2009)
43. Fmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) + Sen. Tom Ridge [2] (R-PA) (2009-2017)
44. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) + Sen. Susan Rice (D-DC) [3] (2017-present)

[1] ITTL, Bush wins the U.S. Senate seat vacated by Bentsen in 1982.
[2] ITTL, Santorum loses to Wofford in 1994, but in 2000 Gov. Tom Ridge manages to win the seat.
[3] ITTL, the midterm backlash against Gerald Ford in 1978 allows the Democratic Party to take over several state legislatures, allowing them to ratify the D.C. Voting Rights Amendment and get two U.S. Senate seats and one U.S. House seat, which became two after the size of the House was expanded in 1981. Rice was elected to the U.S. Senate after Sen. Jesse Jackson retired from office.
 

TPL99

Unlucky Jim

1976-1984: Jim Callaghan‡ (Labour)
may.1978 (majority): Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), David Steel (Liberal)
may.1982 (majority): Francis Pym (Conservative), Roy Jenkins (Democratic), David Steel (Liberal)
→ assassinated after a bomb attack coordinated by IRA into Brighton Grand Hotel (12.oct.1984)
1984-1985: Denis Healey (Labour)
→ acting Prime Minister until a new Labour leadership election was held (23.feb.1985)
1985-1986: Tony Benn (Labour)
1986-1996: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
may.1986 (majority): Tony Benn (Labour), Roy Jenkins (Democratic), Geraint Howells (Liberal)
may.1990 (majority): David Owen (Democratic), Michael Meacher (Labour), Alan Beith (Liberal)
feb.1995 (majority): Shirley Williams (Democratic), Peter Shore (Labour), Alan Beith (Liberal)
1996-2000: John Redwood (Conservative)
feb.1999 (minority): Shirley Williams (Democratic), Gordon Brown (Labour), Menzies Campbell (Liberal)
2000-2001: Shirley Williams (Democratic)
apr.2000 (minority): John Redwood (Conservative), Gordon Brown (Labour)
2001-2006: Michael Portillo (Conservative)
oct.2001 (majority): Gordon Brown (Labour), Shirley Chisholm (Democratic)
2006-2013: Charles Kennedy† (Progressive)
mar.2006 (majority): Michael Portillo (Conservative), Alex Salmond (SNP)
mar.2011 (majority): Liam Fox (Conservative), John Swinney (SNP)
→ died after a massive heart attack during a cabinet meeting (8.may.2013)
2013-2019: Diane Abbott (Progressive)
→ elevated to leadership unanimously after the Progressive Extraordinary Conference (3.aug.2013)
sep.2014 (majority): William Hague (Conservative), John Swinney (SNP), Ieuan Wyn Jones (Plaid Cymru)
2019-0000: Rory Stewart (Conservative)
sep.2019 (majority): Diane Abbott (Progressive), Angus Robertson/Rhun ap Iorwerth (Federalist)
 

Ethan P

Banned
Ethan P said:
A Bush in the Oval is Worth Two in Retirement: Random List Idea #12
2005 -2013: Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts/Former Senator Max Cleland of Georgia
2004: def. incumbents
2008: def. Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts/Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia
2013-2021: Former Governor Jeb Bush of Florida/Governor Jon Huntsman Jr. of Utah
2012: def. Senator Hillary Clinton of New York/Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio
2016: def. Governor Peter Shumlin of Vermont/Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana
2021-now: Governor Barack Obama of Illinois/Senator Martin Heinrich of New Mexico
2020: def. VP Jon Huntsman Jr. of Utah/Senator Rob Portman of Ohio, Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania/Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio
2024: def. Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas/Governor Greg Abbott of Texas
Click to expand...
Wait, how does this warrant a warning?
I have no clue.
 
Hubert Humphrey Fan 1968

Hubert Humphrey Fan 1968

Based off a conversation with @True Grit and @Oppo
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  • Crosbie wins the PC leadership in 1983.
  • Crosbie still wins the 1984 Election, but due to his unlingualism and complete disregard for Quebec Nationalism, he fails to sweep Quebec and instead the Liberals pull off a 1980-esque near sweep.
  • Being a staunch supporter of Free Trade, Crosbie still pursues Free Trade with the States. However, because he can't count on Quebec voting strongly Tory and because Turner doesn't have nearly the same credibility/leadership issues with the public due to a much stronger result in 1984, he loses re-election in 1988.
  • Crosbie resigns and the leadership is won by Joe Clark.
  • As promised, Turner tears up the Free Trade agreement. This is a smart move politically but doesn't help with the upcoming recession. Due to said recession, Turner's government quickly loses its popularity, though he's still in a far better position than Mulroney was OTL due to less incumbency fatigue, no Constitutional Shenanigans, and no GST. As such, even though he's trailing in the polls in 1992 when an election would normally be called, it's not by a huge margin and Turner is convinced he can turn it around. He calls an election and promptly loses the election, with the PCs winning a majority.
  • Clark wins re-election over Chrétien in 1996 and 2000 due to the improving economic climate of the day plus successful PC campaigns that paint Chrétien as a dinosaur.
  • Clark announces in mid-2001 that he will resign as Tory leader and PM as soon as his successor is elected. The period between his announcement and his leaving office are uneventful until the 9/11 attacks occur, shaking the world to its very core. Clark is almost unanimously praised for his typical statesman-like response, with some even calling for Clark to rescind his resignation and lead Canada through the uncertain time ahead, but he rejects these calls and maintains that he will leave office as promised.
  • He is succeeded by Brain Pallister. Pallister is by all accounts a competent fellow, but faces severe criticism for his decision to send Canadian troops to Iraq.
  • With the Tories already having been in power for 12 years (and thus having a decent amount of incumbency fatigue), and especially with Pallister's decision starting out unpopular and only becoming moreso over time, the Liberals sweep to office in 2004 under longtime Quebec MP Dennis Dawson, winning nearly 200 seats. The Tories, meanwhile, are devastated, nearly falling to third behind the NDP.
  • One of Dawson's first acts in office is to withdraw Canadian troops from Iraq, which proves immensely popular. Come 2008, the PCs, now led by Clark-era Minister and Calgary MP Joe Clark, are rather doomed by their low starting point, the fact that the Liberals are still in their first term in office and the enduring unpopularity of Pallister, and the Liberals win another majority. Still, the PCs hadn't expected to win and only in their wildest dreams did they think the Liberals could be cut to a minority. Seeing as Prentice is perceived as a steady hand who has set the party on the right course, Prentice is allowed to stay.
  • The crash still happens and Canada is still insulated from the worst of it, though I imagine without Free Trade it goes at least a little bit worse.
  • Dawson retires in 2010, having entered his early 70s and being exhausted from handling the Canadian response to the crash. He is replaced by Dominic LeBlanc.
  • LeBlanc is able to win another majority in 2012 due to a strong campaign, voters giving the Liberals credit for the recovery, and an inept campaign by Prentice.
  • Maxime Bernier (still an MP for Beauce) wins the leadership on an OTL Mulroney-esque pitch of "I can win Quebec" (still Liberal dominated ITTL mind you).
  • However, this is Maxime Bernier we're talking about, so in 2016, he turns what was supposed to be a simple "time for change" message into a bizarre, erratic, and most of all off-putting mess. The PCs don't even breakthrough in Quebec, and while the PCs had been tied with the Liberals nationally before the election, the Liberals nearly win a fourth straight majority once the returns come in.
  • Bernier is forced out at the next leadership review, failing to get even 50% support. He stands in the ensuing leadership race but is defeated by frontrunner Peter MacKay.
  • With the Liberals having been in office 14 years, MacKay is able to win a minority in 2018.
 

Rillium

Winston Churchill, Conservative, 1945-1952

Anthony Eden, 1952-1955

Hugh Gaitskell, 1955-1959

Anthony Eden, 1959-1963

Alec Douglas-Home, 1963-1966

Harold Wilson, 1966-1973

James Callaghan, 1973-1978

Edward Heath, 1978-1980

Margaret Thatcher, 1980-1993

John Smith, 1993-1994 (Died In Office)

Tony Blair, 1994-2001

Kenneth Clarke, 2001-2010

David Miliband, 2010- Present
 

redjirachi

First Time's The Charm...Sort Of

14: Franklin Pierce(1853-1857)/John C Breckinridge*(1853-1857)[1]
15: John C Fremont**(1857-1862)/William L Dayton(1857-1861), Abraham Lincoln(1861-1862)[2]
16: Abraham Lincoln(1862-1865)[3]
17: Stephen Douglas(1865-1873)/George H Pendleton(1865-1869), Andrew Johnson(1869-1873)[4]
18: Ambrose Burnside/Thomas A Hendricks(1873-1881)
19: Abram Hewitt/Theodore Roosevelt(1881-1885)[5]
20: James Smith Bush/John Carlisie(1885-1893)[6]
21: Thomas Edison/Adams Pickeney(1893-1901)[7]

[1]Pierce actually managed to be narrowly renominated, which allowed Fremont the victory
[2]The ascension of a radical Republican/abolitionist triggered the civil war earlier, a conflict that Fremont managed to win. Though despised during his time with his re-election being a Truman-esque upset(or as most say, his dues for winning the ), and his removal of slavery ultimately being denied by congress(what he saw as his greatest failure), he is regarded as one of the greatest U.S presidents in hindsight for preserving the union
[3]Lincoln was a moderate replacement, a sign of piece. A prior candidate for VP, he would come to the presidency on Fremont's assassination by an angry Southerner. Lincoln's presidency was that of a peacemaker, with his hopes being to achieve Fremont's dream of a slave-less America. Ultimately his bid for election in his own right failed, but his role as peacemaker has made him an underrated president.
[4]The Little Giant was a surprise to be the one who would blow the flame of slavery out. He and later Burnside would be important in continuing the peace.
[5]Father of the more famous one. Survives longer in this timeline. His president focuses the Republican Party on philanthropist and industrialist ideals
[6]Great-grandfather of George HW
[7]First Republican in this timeline to have two full terms. VP is young and exists because of the butterfly effect
 

Ethan P

Banned
Carter '80:
1977-1985: Former Governor Jimmy Carter of Georgia/Senator John Glenn of Ohio
1976: def. Incumbent/Senator Bob Dole of Kansas
1980: def. Former Governor Ronald Reagan of California/Representative Phil Crane of Illinois, Representative John Anderson of Illinois/Senator Lowell Weicker of Connecticut
1985-1993: Former CIA Director George Bush Sr. of Texas/Governor Pete Du Pont of Delaware
1984: def. Secretary of State Walter Mondale of Minnesota/Governor Hugh Carey of New York
1988: def. Former VP John Glenn of Ohio/Senator Dale Bumpers of Arkansas
1993-1997: Governor Mario Cuomo of New York/Senator Gary Hart of Colorado
1996: def. VP Pete Du Pont of Delaware/Senator Danforth Quayle of Indiana
1997-2001: Former Governor Carroll Campbell Jr. of South Carolina/Representative Steve Largent of Oklahoma
1996: def. Incumbents, Former Governor Dick Lamm of Colorado/Businessman Ross Perot of Texas
2001-2009: Former Governor Evan Bayh of Indiana/Senator Barbara Boxer of California
2000: def. VP Steve Largent of Oklahoma/Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, Former Governor Jerry Brown of California/Former Senator David Boren of Oklahoma
2004: def. Senator John McCain of Arizona/Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Former Senator Danforth Quayle of Indiana/Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado
2009-: Governor Ross Perot Jr. of Texas/Senator Charlie Crist of Florida
2008: def. VP Barbara Boxer of California/Governor Ted Strickland of California, Representative Duncan Hunter of California/Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama
 

Ethan P

Banned
Based on AnywhereButOTL's Icarus series:
1969-1971: Governor Ronald Reagan of California (incapacitated; removed via 25th Amendment)/Representative John Rhodes of Arizona
1968: def. Pres. Lyndon Johnson of Texas/VP Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota
1971-1972: VP John Rhodes of Arizona (removed via 25th Amendment)/Representative George Bush of Texas
1972-1973: VP George Bush of Texas (killed by car bomb placed in Chief of Staff Don Rumsfeld's vehicle)/Senator Edward Brooke of Massachusetts
1972: def. Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota/Senator David Inouye of Hawaii
1973-1977: VP Edward Brooke of Massachusetts/Secretary of State Bill Rogers of New York
1977-1985: Senator George McGovern of South Dakota/Senator Birch Bayh of Indiana
1976: def. Former Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York/Former Governor George Romney of Michigan, Businessman Ross Perot of Texas/Former US Navy Captain John McCain of Arizona, Former Governor George Wallace of Alabama/Former Governor Lester Maddox of Georgia
1980: def. Businessman Ross Perot of Texas/Governor Jerry Brown of California, Former Governor George Romney of Michigan/Representative John Anderson of Illinois, Representative John Rarick of Louisiana/Governor Claude Kirk of Florida, Former Senator Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota/Representative Ron Paul of Texas
1985-now: Former Governor Jerry Brown of California/Senator John McCain of Arizona
 
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