List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Anarcho-Occultist]

Presidents of the United States (1897-1923)
William McKinley/Garrett Hobart 1897-1905
1896: Def. William Jennings Bryan/Thomas E. Watson
1900: Def. William Jennings Bryan/Adlai Stevenson
Champ Clark/Alton B. Parker 1905-1909
1904: Def. Mark Hanna/Charles W. Fairbanks, Eugene Debs/Benjamin Hanford
Hiram Johnson/Philander C. Knox 1909-1910 (Assassinated)
1908: Def. Champ Clark/Alton B. Parker, Eugene Debs/Benjamin Hanford
Philander C. Knox/vacant 1910-1913
Philander C. Knox/William Howard Taft 1913-1917
1912: Def. Robert La Follette/Victor L. Berger, A. Mitchell Palmer/Oscar Underwood, Eugene Debs/Emil Seidel
Robert La Follette/Burton K. Wheeler 1917-1921 (Overthrown)
1916: Def. Thomas R. Marshall/John W. Davis, Eugene Debs/Bill Haywood, William Howard Taft/Charles Evans Hughes
1920: Def. Al Smith/Andrew Mellon, Morris Hillquit/Seymour Stedman
John Pershing/Henry Ford 1921-1923 (Overthrown)

Presidents of the American People's Democratic Republic (1921-
Eugene Debs/Smedley Butler 1921-1922 (Died in office)
Smedley Butler/vacant 1922-1925
Huey Long/Jacob Coxey 1925-1930
1925: Def. Norman Thomas/Jeremiah Crowley, William Z. Foster/Benjamin Gitlow, Emma Goldman/Joseph Labadie, Herbert Hoover/Calvin Coolidge
Norman Thomas/Verne L. Reynolds 1930-1945
1930: Def. William Z. Foster/Earl Browder, Huey Long/Jacob Coxey, Emma Goldman/Leonard Abbott, Franklin D. Roosevelt/William Borah
1935: Def. Jacob Coxey/William H. Harvey, Earl Browder/James Ford, Franklin D. Roosevelt/Wendell Wilkie, Rockwell Kent/Alexander Berkman
1940: Def. William Lemke/Claude A. Watson, Thomas Dewey/Alben Barkley, William Z. Foster/James Ford, George Bellows/Sam Dolgoff
Henry Wallace/Happy Chandler 1945-1955
1945: Def. Upton Sinclair/John W. Aiken, Cordell Hull/Harold Stassen, Robert Duncan/Dorothy Day, Alger Hiss/Benjamin Gitlow
1950: Def. Darlington Hoopes/Glen H. Taylor, Dwight D. Eisenhower/Adlai Stevenson, Robert Duncan/Dorothy Day
Vincent Hallinan/Hugo Oehler 1955-1960
1955: Def. Happy Chandler/Philip La Follette, Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr./Pat Brown, Norman Mailer/Jack Kerouac
Richard Nixon/John F. Kennedy 1960-1970
1960: Def. Estes Kefauver/Hubert Humphrey, Vincent Hallinan/Hugo Oehler, Jack Kerouac/Allen Ginsberg
1965: Def. Eric Hass/Farrell M, George McGovern/Eugene McCarthy, Martin Luther King, Jr./Gloria Steinem, Murray Bookchin/Karl Hess
Hubert Humphrey/Mark Hatfield 1970-1975
1970: Def. Henning Blomen/Paul Sweezy, Richard Nixon/John Lindsey, Martin Luther King, Jr./Russell Means, Murray Bookchin/Carl Oglesby
Bayard Rustin/Michael Harrington 1975-1985
1975: Def. Hubert Humphrey/Mark Hatfield, Robert F. Kennedy/Jerry Brown, Thurgood Marshall/Caesar Chavez, Noam Chomsky/Ron Paul
1980: Def. Jimmy Stewart/Jimmy Carter, John B. Anderson/Gary Hart, Margaret Benson/John Lewis, Noam Chomsky/Abbie Hoffman
Mike Gravel/Bob Dole 1985-1990
1985: Def. Michael Harrington/Gus Hall, Jerry Brown/Jim Jeffords, Howard Zinn/Russell Means, Lenora Fulani/Jesse Jackson, Lyndon LaRouche/David Duke
Brian Moore/Victor Reuther 1990-1995
1990: Def. Mike Gravel/Bob Dole, Lincoln Chafee/Paul Tsongas, Jesse Jackson/Mary King, Eric Boucher/Fredy Perlman, John Hagelin/Marianne Williamson, Lyndon LaRouche/David Duke
Mike Gravel/Ralph Nader 1995-2000
1995: Def. Brian Moore/Victor Reuther, John Lewis/Barbara Lee, Ted Bundy/Howard Dean, Eric Boucher/Dave Van Ronk, John Hagelin/Clint Eastwood
Ralph Nader/Jesse Ventura 2000-2005
2000: Def. Lenora Fulani/Bernie Sanders, Jerry Brown/John McCain, Sheila Jackson Lee/Clarence Thomas, Ron Paul/Malik Rahim, John Hagelin/Harold Bloomfield
Frank Llewyn/Mary Landrieu 2005-2015
2005: Def. Ralph Nader/Jesse Ventura, Angus King/John Kasich, Ron Paul/David Graeber, Heather Booth/Harvey Milk, Marianne Williamson/Nat Goldhabar
2010: Def. Colin Powell/Gary Locke, Jesse Ventura/Rick Perry Harvey Milk/Harold Ford, Jr., Anthony Pollina/Keith McHenry, David Lynch/Deepak Chopra
Rocky Anderson/Jim Webb 2015-2020
2015: Def. Maria Svart/Dennis Kucinich, Andrew Cuomo/Brian Sandoval, Barney Frank/Mia Love, Kevin Carson/Mumia Abu-Jamal, Deepak Chopra/John Gray
Lee Carter/Charlie Baker 2020-
2020: Def. Rocky Anderson/Jim Webb, Rocky de La Fuente/Ron Wyden, John Mond/Julian Castro, Vermin Supreme/Howard Ehrlich, Marianne Williamson/Andrew Yang

Blue-Republican
Orange-Democrat
Dark green-Progressive
Gray-Independent
Red-Socialist
Light green-Farmer-Labor
Teal-Liberal
Yellow-Libertarian
Dark purple-Communist
Dark blue-Equal Rights
Purple-Spiritualist

 

[Steve Brinson]

Annus Horribilis

Presidents of the United States:
11/1963-1/1968: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) ✞

died of heart attack​

1/1968-6/1968: Hubert H. Humphrey (Democratic) ✞

assassinated, Sirhan Sirhan, Los Angeles, CA​

6/1968-8/1968: John W. McCormack (Democratic) ®

resigned in favor of Democratic nominee Daniel Inouye​

8/1968-9/1968: Daniel Inouye (Democratic) ®

resigned due to scandal​

9/1968-1/1969: Mo Udall (Democratic)
1/1969-4/1969: Ronald Reagan (Republican) ✞

(with Donald Rumsfeld) def. Mo Udall (Democratic, unofficial "Anti-War"), Daniel Inouye (Democratic, campaign withdrawn), scattered favorite sons (Democratic); George C. Wallace (National Independent Movement); Noam Chomsky (Peace and Freedom)​

died in plane crash, Las Animas County, CO (en route from Los Angeles to Edwards AFB)​

4/1969-5/1969: Donald Rumsfeld (Republican) ✞

assassinated, Naomi Jaffe, Baltimore, MD​

5/1969-5/1969: Wilbur Mills (Democratic) ®

resigned due to scandal​

5/1969-5/1969: John Brademas (Democratic) ®

resigned in favor of Secretary of Defense Curtis LeMay (President pro tempore of the Senate vacant; Secretary of State Henry Kissinger ineligible)​

5/1969-: Curtis LeMay (Republican)

The Tet Offensive was a shock to the nation, but its most high-profile victim was half a world away. Lyndon Johnson, with a heart attack in his past and more in his family tree, went to the great brush-clearing ranch in the sky on hearing the news that the Viet Cong had, in a coordinated attack, cracked the skies and shaken the earth at bases from Khe Sanh near the border to Can Tho in the middle of the Mekong Delta. Walter Cronkite's voice cracked when he read the news; across the United States, outside a few radicals on either side, the American people forgot their grievances against LBJ and mourned the architect of the Great Society, consumed by the war he had never wanted to deal with.

His successor did not receive any forbearance as a result of that. As he fought for peace negotiations in Vietnam, as well as fair housing and full employment at home, he dithered over his choice of vice president for two months. John Connally, Lyndon's protege and Governor of Texas, was the top choice until allegations of corruption leapt from the Texas Observer to the Washington Post; then Ed Muskie, Catholic Polack from Maine, faced criticism because of his trips around California with mobbed-up Frank Sinatra; Cy Vance was too much of an insider, Fred Harris too much of an outsider, and Bobby Kennedy would have made LBJ spin in his grave so loud you could hear it from Washington.

When he finally settled on Dan Inouye, the decorated Japanese-American infantry veteran of the Second World War who lost his right arm on his way up through Italy and served with distinction in Congress, the next phase of the fight began. Plenty of Southern senators were skeptical of Inouye for his race even if they had the common decency not to say it in so many words, and anti-war Senators were concerned about the prospect of a Humphrey administration defending the status quo on Vietnam against charges of racism and cruelty to American servicemen by trotting out a token Asian veteran. Sam Ervin, defense attorney of segregation, worked with even-tempered wonkish Arkansas liberal Bill Fulbright to make sure the Senate deliberated as methodically as possible in the process of advice and consent; where they fell short, bomb-throwers Strom Thurmond and Gene McCarthy found an uncomfortable common cause in screwing with the nomination process.

By June, though, things were falling through in the "Stop Inouye" effort. Democrats were falling in line, while Republicans found reason to like Inouye in his hawkishness on China and the potential of looking nice and tolerant. Many of them had come to conclude that the Humphrey administration had been suitably chastened by the effort, as well as Allard Lowenstein's protest candidacy. And then some radical shot the President, again, over Israel of all the damn things, and a whole bunch of people regretted their decisions.

In the hot seat, John McCormack mostly just sat there and hoped nothing drastic happened before the Democratic National Convention. More prosaically, he let the Cabinet, essentially inherited from three presidents ago, govern on its own. As student radicals declared communes in Boston and the college towns of Michigan, brought down governments in France, and got splashed on the front page of the New York Times cut down by army bullets in Mexico and South Korea, that was hardly a given. At least the DNC in Chicago went well; radicals were too busy building new societies in upstate New York and northern Michigan, backing Lakota resistance in South Dakota, and fighting cops to defend the Boston Commune to bother with something so bourgeoisie. Despite last-minute challenges by a number of minor candidates, most notably Robert Kennedy, Daniel Inouye won the nomination on the first ballot. As McCormack maneuvered the pliable House to declare Inouye Speaker, then vacated the Presidency to allow him in, things looked up for the Democratic Party even despite the slog Inouye was going to have against Governor Reagan.

Then came the allegations. A number of women had come forward back during the VP nomination process to say that Senator Inouye had sexually harassed or even raped them; sex crimes were, of course, not uncommon in Washington even in this era of rising feminism, but the allegations were still serious enough that the papers felt a duty to do due diligence before confirming the stories. As the news passed through the machinery of the news media, a number of the women - both Inouye's victims and more than a few women at the papers frustrated with the way male management was handling the issue - handed the story off to nascent conservative media like the Union-Leader. Soon, the story was being passed through the swing states at a rate neither the media nor the campaign could ignore.

Within a month of his rise to the nomination, Inouye had to drop out of the race. His vice presidential nominee, the moderate Missourian Tom Eagleton, had yet to percolate his way through the nomination process - he abruptly resigned, anyway, before news of some kind of mental health issue made its way to the papers. That left Mo Udall: the tall, dryly humorous, Arizonan who had won a shock victory against establishment choice Hale Boggs to succeed Inouye in the Speakership.

Unlike McCormack, Udall was comfortable as an acting President. With no clear Democratic nominee, he even felt like he had a legitimate chance at the nomination, with several state Democratic parties choosing to replace Inouye on the ballot. Others kept him but released their electors, or nominated some popular favorite sons from their home states. It didn't end up mattering when Governor Reagan muscled past him to win the election, but Udall still governed the country, overseeing negotiations in Vietnam and with the Soviet Union and pressing for stronger antitrust regulations on the energy industry. Still, as a lame duck for literally the majority of his Presidency, nobody was willing to give him too long of a leash.

Reagan faced a breath of fresh air on entering the Presidency - within his first month, negotiations between North and South Vietnam made significant leaps, leading to the Treaty of Mumbai. Not only that - with Bretton Woods beginning to show its age in a new era, one where West Germany was no longer so willing to march to the drumbeat of the American Treasury, he began drawing up plans to create a New World Order. While he was never able to see the fruits of his labors, the historians honor him for them.

Invited as a special guest, the former actor attended the 42nd Academy Awards. On his way over the Rockies, Air Force One faced a shock power failure and crashed, leaving his vice president - a boring, corporate, Congressman from Illinois - to continue the Reagan legacy.

Rumsfeld didn't have the same talent for papering over disagreements as Reagan. It showed - on civil rights, Rumsfeld tried to broker a compromise on busing and ethnic studies, with the "help" of prickly liberal academic Secretary of Education John Silber. This duly got everyone annoyed with him, but perhaps nobody was more ticked off than the Black Liberation Army, which sent white ally and veteran of the Boston Commune Naomi Jaffe down to Baltimore, where the president was set to tour some of the newly integrated schools, to end his "reformist attempts at co-opting the liberation struggle" once and for all with a car full of explosives.

Wilbur Mills was not an ideal choice for his successor, but he was especially not an ideal choice at that moment. A powerful Arkansan with a history of alcoholism, Mills had run into trouble with the Capitol Police when they stopped a car with him and a scrum of five other drunk people, including an Argentinian stripper with whom he had gotten in some kind of altercation, near the Jefferson Memorial. Mills had already decided to resign from the Speakership when he suddenly became President. After a brief call to his successor, John Brademas (the House had, blessedly, adopted new rules regarding succession to the Speakership), and some tracking-down of paperwork, Wilbur Mills ended his presidency just short of the forty-five-minute mark. Brademas, an even-tempered Midwestern Rhodes Scholar and the first Greek-American President, spent a full day as President, but felt that to ascend to the Presidency as a liberal Democrat when the people had elected a conservative Republican was probably a bad thing for the country.

The line of succession passed on. After Arizona's Carl Hayden had died in his sleep, the seat of president pro tempore had been left vacant. The German-born Secretary of State was ineligible. But the Secretary of Defense, the hawkish career Air Force officer who had overseen the firebombing of Tokyo and the Berlin airlift. He had been offered a slot as running mate to George Wallace, but had passed it up in favor of advising Ronald Reagan on defense policy, eventually bushwhacking his way through tense Senate hearings to the Department of Defense. Now, he was the President of the United States. And there was no telling what came next for the 45th President of the United States.

 

[Luke_Starkiller]

"I Saw Tiger, and I Understand"

1981-1989: Fmr. Gov. Ronald Reagan / Fmr. C.I.A. Dir. George Bush (Republican)
def. 1980: Pres. Jimmy Carter / Vice Pres. Walter Mondale (Democratic); Rep. John B. Anderson / Gov. Patrick Lucey (Independent)
def. 1984: Fmr. Vice Pres. Walter Mondale / Rep. Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1989-1993: Fmr. Gov. Chuck Robb / Sen. Paul Simon (Democratic)
def. 1988: Vice Pres. George Bush / Sen. Dan Quayle (Republican); Rep. Ron Paul / Fmr. Sen. Mike Gravel (Libertarian)
1993-1997: Sen. Phil Gramm / Sen. John McCain (Republican)
def. 1992: Pres. Chuck Robb / Vice Pres. Paul Simon (Democratic); Rep. Ron Paul / Economist Mike Munger (Libertarian)
1997-2005: Sen. John Kerry / Sen. Bob Graham (Democratic)
def. 1996: Pres. Phil Gramm / Vice Pres. John McCain (Republican)
def. 2000: Vice Pres. John McCain / Sen. Bill Frist (Republican)
2005-2013: Gov. Gary Johnson / Sen. Olympia Snowe (Republican)
def. 2004: Vice Pres. Bob Graham / Sen. Barbara Mikulski (Democratic)
def. 2008: Sen. Russ Feingold / Gov. Dave Freudenthal (Democratic)
2013-2021: Sen. Mark Dayton / Gov. Carole Baskin (Democratic)
def. 2012: Vice Pres. Olympia Snowe / House Min. Whip J.C. Watts (Republican)
def. 2016: Sen. Mike Huckabee / Sen. Kelly Ayotte (Republican)
2021-0000: Fmr. Gov. Joe Maldonado / Sen. Tim Scott (Republican)
def. 2020: Vice Pres. Carole Baskin / Gov. Cheri Bustos (Democratic)

The POD is Chuck Robb running for and winning the presidency in 1988. His and Vice President Bush's hawkish tendencies alienate the non-interventionists in each party, causing them to flock to the Libertarian ticket of Ron Paul and Mike Gravel, which does well enough in the polls to get them on the debate stage. As a result, the Libertarian party puts up a pretty good showing in the general election and is kept afloat going into 1992. Bush's- and later Gramm's- defeat takes the wind out of the sails of the GOP, allowing Libertarians to stake a claim under the guise of supporting the Republicans' low tax philosophy.

Meanwhile, Bob Graham ascending to the Vice Presidency causes a power vaccuum in the Florida Democratic Party, allowing recent widow and animal rights-activist-turned-progressive human rights champion Carole Baskin to capture a Tampa-based state senate seat, from which she spends the next few years climbing through the ranks until she and her progressive supporters- also known as "Carole's Cats"- take the Governor's Mansion. She eventually becomes selected by Senator Mark Dayton to be his VP in order to lock down the female and progressive support blocs.

Elsewhere (actually, in Oklahoma), local businessman and TV/Radio Personality Joe Maldonado seized the Governorship of Oklahoma as a "Johnson Republican" with a known maverick streak. His exuberant personality allows him to trounce the mainstream, straitlaced Republican primary field, setting him up for a 2020 election match against Vice President Baskin. Ultimately, Maldonado won, despite his own seedy practices being put on display. This is probably due to the campaign being historically dirty, with Maldonado also accusing Baskin of murdering her first husband, Don Lewis- an unsubstantiated claim, considering he likely fled to Costa Rica considering that they were in the process of a divorce, but it's one that picked up steam on the political fringe.

Among other major stories of 2020, there's the continuing coronavirus outbreak and the massively popular "Steak King" Netflix series, based around the misadventures of the boisterous New York-based beef salesman Donald "Don American" Trump and his longstanding feud with the Queens County prosecutor and modern muckraker Hillary Rodham.

 

[isabella]

"I Saw Tiger, and I Understand"

1981-1989: Fmr. Gov. Ronald Reagan / Fmr. C.I.A. Dir. George Bush (Republican)
def. 1980: Pres. Jimmy Carter / Vice Pres. Walter Mondale (Democratic); Rep. John B. Anderson / Gov. Patrick Lucey (Independent)
def. 1984: Fmr. Vice Pres. Walter Mondale / Rep. Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1989-1993: Fmr. Gov. Chuck Robb / Sen. Paul Simon (Democratic)
def. 1988: Vice Pres. George Bush / Sen. Dan Quayle (Republican); Rep. Ron Paul / Fmr. Sen. Mike Gravel (Libertarian)
1993-1997: Sen. Phil Gramm / Sen. John McCain (Republican)
def. 1992: Pres. Chuck Robb / Vice Pres. Paul Simon (Democratic); Rep. Ron Paul / Economist Mike Munger (Libertarian)
1997-2005: Sen. John Kerry / Sen. Bob Graham (Democratic)
def. 1996: Pres. Phil Gramm / Vice Pres. John McCain (Republican)
def. 2000: Vice Pres. John McCain / Sen. Bill Frist (Republican)
2005-2013: Gov. Gary Johnson / Sen. Olympia Snowe (Republican)
def. 2004: Vice Pres. Bob Graham / Sen. Barbara Mikulski (Democratic)
def. 2008: Sen. Russ Feingold / Gov. Dave Freudenthal (Democratic)
2013-2021: Sen. Mark Dayton / Gov. Carole Baskin (Democratic)
def. 2012: Vice Pres. Olympia Snowe / House Min. Whip J.C. Watts (Republican)
def. 2016: Sen. Mike Huckabee / Sen. Kelly Ayotte (Republican)
2021-0000: Fmr. Gov. Joe Maldonado / Sen. Tim Scott (Republican)
def. 2020: Vice Pres. Carole Baskin / Gov. Cheri Bustos (Democratic)

The POD is Chuck Robb running for and winning the presidency in 1988. His and Vice President Bush's hawkish tendencies alienate the non-interventionists in each party, causing them to flock to the Libertarian ticket of Ron Paul and Mike Gravel, which does well enough in the polls to get them on the debate stage. As a result, the Libertarian party puts up a pretty good showing in the general election and is kept afloat going into 1992. Bush's- and later Gramm's- defeat takes the wind out of the sails of the GOP, allowing Libertarians to stake a claim under the guise of supporting the Republicans' low tax philosophy.

Meanwhile, Bob Graham ascending to the Vice Presidency causes a power vaccuum in the Florida Democratic Party, allowing recent widow and animal rights-activist-turned-progressive human rights champion Carole Baskin to capture a Tampa-based state senate seat, from which she spends the next few years climbing through the ranks until she and her progressive supporters- also known as "Carole's Cats"- take the Governor's Mansion. She eventually becomes selected by Senator Mark Dayton to be his VP in order to lock down the female and progressive support blocs.

Elsewhere (actually, in Oklahoma), local businessman and TV/Radio Personality Joe Maldonado seized the Governorship of Oklahoma as a "Johnson Republican" with a known maverick streak. His exuberant personality allows him to trounce the mainstream, straitlaced Republican primary field, setting him up for a 2020 election match against Vice President Baskin. Ultimately, Maldonado won, despite his own seedy practices being put on display. This is probably due to the campaign being historically dirty, with Maldonado also accusing Baskin of murdering her first husband, Don Lewis- an unsubstantiated claim, considering he likely fled to Costa Rica considering that they were in the process of a divorce, but it's one that picked up steam on the political fringe.

Among other major stories of 2020, there's the continuing coronavirus outbreak and the massively popular "Steak King" Netflix series, based around the misadventures of the boisterous New York-based beef salesman Donald "Don American" Trump and his longstanding feud with the Queens County prosecutor and modern muckraker Hillary Rodham.

Nice. I only think pretty unlikely for a former Vice-President McCain running against a sitting President Kerry...

 

[Gokbay]

King of England and Ireland:
1485-1509: Henry VII Tudor
1509-1552: Arthur I Tudor
1559-1566: Edward VI Tudor
1566-1572: Henry VIII Tudor
King of England, Ireland and Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania:
1572-1603: Henry VIII and V Tudor
1603-1641: Arthur II and I Tudor
1641-1684: Edward VII and I Tudor
King of England, Ireland, Poland and Lithuania:
1684-1691: Edward VII and I Tudor
1691-1744: Henry IX and VI Tudor
Disputed:
1744-1766: King of the Scots, of Ireland and of England: James VII and I Stuart
1744-1756: King of England, Ireland and Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania: John II Tudor, 2nd Duke of Lublin
1744-1766: Queen of England, Ireland and Lithuania, King of Poland: Elisabeth I Tudor
Disputed:
1766-1775: King of the Scots, of Ireland and of England: Charles III and I Stuart
1766-1775: Queen of England, Ireland and Lithuania, King of Poland: Elisabeth I Tudor
Disputed:
1775-1776: King of the Scots, of Ireland and of England: Charles III and I Stuart
1775-1776: King of England, Ireland, Poland and Lithuania: George I Hanover
Disputed:
1776-1780: King of the Scots, of Ireland and of England: Charles III and I Stuart
1776-1780: King of England, Ireland, Poland, Lithuania and America: George I Hanover
Disputed:
1780-1788: King of Great Britain: Charles III Stuart
1780-1788: King of England, Ireland, Poland, Lithuania and America: George I Hanover
Disputed:
1788-1795: King of Great Britain: Henry X Stuart
1788-1795: King of England, Ireland, Poland, Lithuania and America: George I Hanover
King of England, Ireland, Poland, Lithuania and America:
1795-1801: George I Hanover
King/Queen of the (United) Commonwealth:
1801-1820: George I Hanover
1820-1830: George II Hanover
1830-1837: William IV Hanover
1837-1901: Victoria I Hanover (Personal Union with Hanover ended)
1901-1910: George III Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
1910-1936: Alice I Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
1936-Present: John VII Braganza (Portugal united in a personal union with the Commonwealth and later fully united)


A list for the Monarchs for one of the mega-nations in and ASB scenario I envisioned. Nations other than the (United) Commonwealth are the (French) Republic, the (European) Confederation (Prussian led, includes Germany, Sweden, Denmark, OTL Austria-Hungary, Italy and Spain), the (Soviet) Union, the (Latin American) League (more NATO-EU like instead of a true Mega-Nation. Includes Republics and Monarchies), the (Chinese) Federation and the (Ottoman) Empire. Planning to do a map too.

Edit: need to add this: Present is not 2020. I am not sure when it is yet but it is in the 1950s at the latest.

 

[KirkSolo]

My very first US list. As a British person, I am likely to get stuff wrong so, even though I'm not trying too hard to be realistic, please feel free to correct me if there's anything overly goofy.

An Even Worse Iraq War and Patriot Act
2001-2005: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (R)
2000 def. Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (D), Ralph Nader/Winona LaDuke (Green)
2005-2013: Howard Dean/Barack Obama (D)
2004 def. George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (R), Gary Johnson/Tamara Millay (Libertarian)
2008 def. John Kasich/Rudy Giuliani (R), Ralph Nader/Bernie Sanders (Independent)
2013-2021: Ron Paul/Chuck Hagel (R)
2012 def. Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton (D), Howie Hawkins/Jill Stein (Green)
2016 def. Kirsten Gillibrand/Al Franken (D), Jill Stein/Richard Ojeda (Green)
2021-202x: Elizabeth Warren/Andrew Yang (D)
2020 def. Rand Paul/Tulsi Gabbard (R), Richard Ojeda/Ralph Nader (Independent)
Edit: Changed Ron Paul's VP from Rand Paul to Chuck Hagel upon discussion.

 

[Peebs]

Isn't there a nepotism law or something to prevent a Ron/Rand ticket?

 

[KirkSolo]

Isn't there a nepotism law or something to prevent a Ron/Rand ticket?

I don't think there is. Plus, I felt that Rand's experience as a senator (perhaps ITTL he got elected much earlier) somewhat counters this argument.

 

[Anarcho-Occultist]

My very first US list. As a British person, I am likely to get stuff wrong so, even though I'm not trying too hard to be realistic, please feel free to correct me if there's anything overly goofy.

An Even Worse Iraq War and Patriot Act
2001-2005: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (R)
2000 def. Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (D), Ralph Nader/Winona LaDuke (Green)
2005-2013: Howard Dean/Barack Obama (D)
2004 def. George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (R), Gary Johnson/Tamara Millay (Libertarian)
2008 def. John Kasich/Rudy Giuliani (R), Ralph Nader/Bernie Sanders (Independent)
2013-2021: Ron Paul/Rand Paul (R)
2012 def. Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton (D), Howie Hawkins/Jill Stein (Green)
2016 def. Kirsten Gillibrand/Al Franken (D), Jill Stein/Richard Ojeda (Green)
2021-202x: Elizabeth Warren/Andrew Yang (D)
2020 def. Rand Paul/Tulsi Gabbard (R), Richard Ojeda/Ralph Nader (Independent)

Ron/Rand would be unacceptable to the RNC-even aside from the nepotism they would not be willing to put TWO noninterventionists on the ticket. Ron would need a VP who could be a bridge from his wing to the more hawkish mainstream-someone like Chuck Hagel or Jon Huntsman might work. Hell even Gary Johnson would be more plausible and acceptable than Rand as Ron‘a veep.

 

[KirkSolo]

snip

Fair enough.
I looked up your suggestions and I agree Chuck Hagel is a nice fit, I'll edit him in.

 

[KirkSolo]

1980-1985 George Jellicoe (Conservative)
1985-1991 Tony Benn (Labour)
1991-1995 George Jellicoe (Conservative)
1995-1997 Douglas Hurd (Conservative)
1997-2003 Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
2003-2004 George Young (Conservative)
2004-2010 Margaret Beckett (Labour)
2010-2014 Damian Green (Conservative)
2014-2016 Margaret Beckett (Labour)
2016-2019 Diane Abbott (Labour)
2019-2030 Boris Johnson (Conservative)
2030-2037 Matt Hancock (Conservative)

 

[EYates]

1980-1985 George Jellicoe (Conservative)
1985-1991 Margaret Beckett (Labour)
1991-1995 George Jellicoe (Conservative)
1995-1997 Douglas Hurd (Conservative)
1997-2003 Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
2003-2004 George Young (Conservative)
2004-2010 Margaret Beckett (Labour)
2010-2014 Damian Green (Conservative)
2014-2016 Margaret Beckett (Labour)
2016-2019 Diane Abbott (Labour)
2019-2030 Boris Johnson (Conservative)
2030-2037 Matt Hancock (Conservative)

How did Margaret Beckett stay Labour leader for so long?

 

[KirkSolo]

How did Margaret Beckett stay Labour leader for so long?

Edit: AH, BUGGER

Fixed. Didn't realise I forgot to change it. 🤡

 

[SandroPertini98]

The Constitution declares President and Vicepresident can not be from the same state. But what if instead it declares they must be from the same state, because "if President dies, it's right his state continues to be rapresented as the will of voters decided" (this conception of politicians as ambassadors of their states and not as individual representatives of people was common at the beginning of USA)?

1 George Washington (Ind-Virginia)/ Patrick Henry (Ind-Virginia) 1789-1797
2 Patrick Henry (Fed-Virginia)/ Thomas Jefferson (DR-Virginia) 1797-1799
3 Thomas Jefferson (DR-Virginia)/ Vacant 1799-1801/ James Monroe (DR-Virginia) 1801-1809
4 James Madison (DR-Virginia)/ James Monroe (DR-Virginia) 1809-1817
5 James Monroe (DR-Virginia)/ James Barbour (DR-Virginia) 1817-1825
6 John Quincy Adams (NR-Massachusetts)/ Vacant 1825-1829 (VP-Elect William Eustis died before Inauguration)
7 Andrew Jackson (D-Tennessee)/ William Carroll (D-Tennessee) 1829-1837
8 William Carrol (D-Tennessee)/ James Kno Polk (D-Tennessee) 1837-1844
9 James Knox Polk (D-Tennessee)/ Vacant 1844-1845/ Alfred O. P. Nicholson (D-Tennessee) 1845-1849
10 Zachary Taylor (W-Louisiana)/ Judah P. Benjamin (W-Louisiana) 1849-1850
11 Judah P. Benjamin (W-Louisiana)/ Vacant 1850-1853
11 Franklin Pierce (D-New Hampshire)/ Charles G. Atherton (D-New Hampshire) 1853/ Vacant 1853-1857
12 James Buchanan (D-Pennsylvania)/ William Bigler (D-Pennsylvania) 1857-1861
13 Abraham Lincoln (R-Illinois)/ Lyman Trumbull (R-Illinois) 1861-1865
14 Lyman Trumbull (R-Illinois)/ Vacant/ Richard Yates (R-Illinois) 1865-1873
15 Ulysses S. Grant (R-Ohio)/ Rutherford B. Hayes (R-Ohio) 1873-1881
16 Rutherford B. Hayes (R-Ohio)/ James A. Garfield (R-Ohio) 1881
17 James A. Garfield (R-Ohio)/ Vacant 1881-1885/ John Sherman (R-Ohio) 1885-1889
18 John Sherman (R-Ohio)/ Joseph B. Foraker (R-Ohio) 1889-1893
19 Stephen Grover Cleveland (D-New York)/ David Hill (D-New York) 1893-1897
20 Thomas B. Reed (R-Maine)/ William P. Frye (R-Maine) 1897-1901
21 William P. Frye (R-Maine)/ Vacant 1901-1905/ Eugene Hale (R-Maine) 1905-1909
22 Joseph B. Foraker (R-Ohio)/ Andrew L. Harris (R-Ohio) 1909-1913
23 T. Woodrow Wilson (D-New Jersey)/ James Edgar Martine (D-New Jersey) 1913-1921
Acting James Edgar Martine (D-New Jersey) 1919
24 Warren G. Harding (R-Ohio)/ Theodore E. Burton (R-Ohio) 1921-1923
25 Theodore E. Burton (R-Ohio)/ Vacant 1923-1925/ Frank Willis (R-Ohio) 1925-1928/ Vacant 1928-1929
26 Herbert C. Hoover (R-California)/ Hiram Johnson (R-California) 1929-1933
27 Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D-New York)/ Alfred E. Smith (D-New York) 1933-1941/ James Farley (D-New York) 1941-1945
28 James Farley (D-New York)/ Vacant 1945-1949
29 Thomas E. Dewey (R-New York)/ John F. Dulles (R-New York) 1949-1953
30 Harry Truman (D-Missouri)/ Thomas C. Hemmings (D-Missouri) 1953-1960/ Vacant 1960-1961
31 John F. Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)/ Robert F. Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) 1961-1969
32 Robert F. Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)/ Edward Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) 1969-1977
33 Edward Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)/ Michael Dukakis (D-Massachusetts) 1977-1981
34 Ronald Reagan (R-California)/ George L. Murphy (R-California) 1981-1989
35 Robert Dole (R-Kansas)/ Nancy Kassenbaum (R-Kansas) 1989-1993
36 William J. Clinton (D-Arkansas)/ Dale L. Bumpers (D-Arkansas) 1993-2001
37 Dale L. Bumpers (D-Arkansas)/ Hillary R. Clinton (D-Arkansas) 2001-2005
38 Hillary R. Clinton (D-Arkansas)/ Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas) 2005-2009
39 Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts)/ Jane Swift (R-Massachusetts) 2009-2013
40 Barack H. Obama (D-Illinois)/ Richard Durbin (D-Illinois) 2013-2021

 

[glenn67]

My very first US list. As a British person, I am likely to get stuff wrong so, even though I'm not trying too hard to be realistic, please feel free to correct me if there's anything overly goofy.

An Even Worse Iraq War and Patriot Act
2001-2005: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (R)
2000 def. Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (D), Ralph Nader/Winona LaDuke (Green)
2005-2013: Howard Dean/Barack Obama (D)
2004 def. George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (R), Gary Johnson/Tamara Millay (Libertarian)
2008 def. John Kasich/Rudy Giuliani (R), Ralph Nader/Bernie Sanders (Independent)
2013-2021: Ron Paul/Chuck Hagel (R)
2012 def. Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton (D), Howie Hawkins/Jill Stein (Green)
2016 def. Kirsten Gillibrand/Al Franken (D), Jill Stein/Richard Ojeda (Green)
2021-202x: Elizabeth Warren/Andrew Yang (D)
2020 def. Rand Paul/Tulsi Gabbard (R), Richard Ojeda/Ralph Nader (Independent)
Edit: Changed Ron Paul's VP from Rand Paul to Chuck Hagel upon discussion.

Obama was still in the Illinois state legislature in 2004. He definitely would not be Dean's running mate.

 

[KirkSolo]

Obama was still in the Illinois state legislature in 2004. He definitely would not be Dean's running mate.

I know; Bush's term is alternate so the POD is 9/11 or a short time after.

 

[Wendell]

I've explored an idea along these lines before, but I wanted to take it in another direction...

"Morning Comes Early"

POD: Reagan runs for & is elected governor in 1962. He later wins the GOP presidential nod & general election in 1968.

Presidents of the United States, 1961-present:

John F. Kennedy (Democratic)/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) 1961-1963[1]
Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)/Hubert H. Humphrey (Democratic) 1963-1969
Ronald W. Reagan (Republican)/John G. Tower (Republican) 1969-1977[2]
Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (Democratic)/John B. Connally (Democratic) 1977-1983[3]
John B. Connally (Democratic)/Hugh L. Carey (Democratic) 1983-1993[4]
Paul D. Coverdell (Republican)/John Kenneth "Ken" Blackwell (Republican) 1993-2000[5]
John Kenneth "Ken" Blackwell (Republican)/John E. Sununu (Republican) 2000-2005[6]
Donald J. Trump (Democratic)/William B. "Bill" Richardson (Democratic) 2005-2013[7]
Malcolm S. "Steve" Forbes (Republican)/Christopher A. Darden (Republican) 2013-2021[8]

 

[KirkSolo]

2009-2013: Sen. John McCain/Sen. Olympia Snowe (R)
2008 def. Sen. Hilary Clinton/Sen. Chuck Schumer (D), Activist Dr. Mary Ruwart/Fmr. Sen. Mike Gravel (Libertarian)
2013-2021: Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand/Sen. Barack Obama (D)
2012 def. Vice President Olympia Snowe/Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R) [1], Activist Tamara Millay/Attorney Carl Person (Libertarian)
2016 def. Sen. John Thune/Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R), Activist Tamara Millay/LNC Chair Arvin Vohra (Libertarian)
2021-2029: Musician Ted Nugent/Sen. Mike Lee (R)
2020 def. Sen. Elizabeth Warren/Gov. Jay Inslee (D), Performance Artist Vermin Supreme/Comedian Joe Rogan (Libertarian)
2024 def. Fmr. Vice President Barack Obama/Sen. Kamala Harris (D), Activist Cheri Honkala/Fmr. State Sen. Nina Turner (Green)
2029-2037: NYC Mayor Andrew Yang/Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D)
2028 def. Vice President Mike Lee/Sen. Boby Jindall (R), Author Marianne Williamson/Musician Dave Navarro (Green)
2032 def. Gov. Rhoeyce Carson/Rep. Elise Stefanik (R), Activist Dave Rubin/Fmr. Rep. Nick Freitas (Libertarian)
2037-2041: Vice President Tulsi Gabbard/Rep. Brianna Westbrook (D)
2036 def. Sen. Jenna Bush Hager/Fmr. Sen. Will Hurd (R), Fmr. Rep. Richard Ojeda/Activist Cindy Sheehan (Independent)
2041-2045: Businessman Donald Trump Jr./Sen. Dan Crenshaw (R)
2040 def. President Tulsi Gabbard/Vice President Brianna Westbrook (D), Activist Elijah Manley/Actress Sadie Sink (Green)
2045-20xx: Gov. Barron Trump/Sen. Richard Ojeda (D)
2044 def. President Donald Trump Jr./Vice President Dan Crenshaw (R), Actress Sadie Sink/Activist Emma González (Green)

[1] McCain does not run for a second term due to his advanced age and ailing health.

 

[KirkSolo]

1974-1976 Harold Wilson (Labour)
1974 (Majority) def. Edward Heath (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1976-1986 Roy Jenkins (Labour)
1979 (Majority) def. Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), Richard Wrainwright (Liberal)
1984 (Labour-Liberal Coalition) def. Anthony Barber (Conservative), Richard Wrainwright(Liberal)
1986-1989 John Grant (Labour)
1989- 1994 Anthony Barber (Conservative)
1989 (Majority) def. John Grant (Labour), Richard Wrainwright(Liberal)
1994 (Majority) def. Neil Kinnock (Labour), Simon Hughes (Liberal)
1994- 2007 Ken Clarke (Conservative)
1999 (Majority) def. Neil Kinnock (Labour), Menzies Campbell (Liberal)
2004 (Majority) def. John Prescott (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal)
2007-2009 David Lidington (Conservative)
2009- 2020 David Miliband (Labour)
2009 (Labour-Liberal Coalition) def. David Lidington (Conservative), Steve Webb (Liberal)
2014 (Labour-Liberal Coalition) def. Rory Stewart (Conservative), Steve Webb (Liberal)
2019 (Majority) def. Charles Walker (Conservative), Steve Webb (Liberal)
2020- 20xx Lisa Nandy (Labour)

 

[LucaTheDevilCat]

James Callaghan (1976 - 1983)
1978: 26 seat majority[1]

Margaret Thatcher (1983 - 1987)[2]
1983: Hung Parliament short by 14

Neil Kinnock (1987 - 1992)[3]
1987: 31 seat majority

John Major (1992 - 1997)[4]
1992: 35 seat majority

Tony Blair (1997 - 2005)[5]
1997 - 89 seat majority
2001: 77 seat majority

Kenneth Clarke (2005 - 2012)
2005: Hung Parliament short by 4[6]
2007: 42 seat majority[7]

Ed Miliband (2012 - 2015)[8]
2012: 17 seat majority

David Cameron (2015 - 2016)[9]
2015: 22 seat majority

Theresa May (2016 - 2017)

Jeremy Corbyn (2017 - 2019)[10]
2017: Hung Parliament short by 24

Boris Johnson (2019 -
2019: 80 seat majority

[1] During the brief period of economic
recovery.
Callaghan takes a chance and wins a small
majority

[2] Thatcher who had barely clung onto
the leadership after 78 had slipped into
Downing Street thanks to a split in the
left wing vote at the hands of the SDP-
Liberal alliance despite Callaghan's
triumph in the Falklands

[3] Thatcher grudgingly agreed to a
coallition with the SDP but would face
a strong Labour resurgence with Neil
Kinnock at the helm, the SDP's support
collapsed over their decision to enter
into an agreement with the Tories

[4] Most polls in 1992 predicted a similar
result to that of 1987, so it came as a
surprise when John Major managed to eek
out a small but comfortable majority

[5] Major's luck was short lived however
as the young and charasmatic Tony Blair
led Labour to a strong majority

[6] Blair's tenure was too good to last
especially as his popularity came crumbling
down after the Iraq War. Kenneth Clarke
was now in Downing Street but with a hung
parliament

[7] Kenneth Clarke like Callaghan and Wilson
before would take the risk and return with
a sold majority in the house of commons.

[8] The blame of the great recession would
fall on the Tories leading to a small
majority with Ed Miliband in charge

[9] Miliband however, was not as lucky
as some of his predecessors, he went to the
polls with the hope of boosting Labour's
stronghold after loosing it's majority only
to lose to David Cameron

[10] Cameron would resign after only a year
in Downing street, Theresa May would succeed
him only to lose to Jeremy Corbyn who had
captured the support of younger voters.
Corbyn however, became swiftly unpopular
after failing to get his Brexit deal through
parliament and the pro second refereumdum
voices within the party were growing louder.
He was forced to delay Brexit and call an
election with a 'People's vote' policy only
to lose to Boris Johnson in a landslide.