No, but this should be doneIsrael as Greece analogue.
I'd like to see a United States as Mexico one.No, but this should be done
List of the leaders of the atl British Empire Soviet Union in a pseudo-Timeline I have (does not have any thread, its not a real timeline yet).
Acting Chairman of the Revolutionary Union of Britain:
1. Albert Inkpin, 1920-1928 [1]
2. Harry Pollitt, 1928-1935 [2]
Leaders of the Union of Britannic Syndicalist Commonwealths
3. Harry Pollitt, 1935-1960 [2]
4. John Gollan, 1960-1975 [3]
5. Kenneth Kaunda, 1975-1980 [4]
6. Gordon McLennan, 1980-1983 [5]
7. Bernie Sanders, 1983-1991 [6]
8. Jeremy Corbyn, 1991-1992 [7]
[1] Britain is on the losing side of (an alternate) WW1. Albert Inkpin was the otl leader of the Communist Party of Great Britain in the same time period. He serves as the Lenin analogue.
[2] Another otl leader of CPGB. Stalin analogue. Reorganized the Revolutionary Union into the Britannic Union (At the time consisting of the British Isles, Gambia, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ghana + Ascension, St Helena and Tristan da Cunha). He also lead UBSC during WW2 (for UBSC it was more like 4 wars. The war against British Empire 1939-1940, the War against Argentina 1941, the war against USA and Mexico 1942-1944, the Second World War proper against Latins (and Yugoslavia) 1944-1945. WW2 proper was 1939-1945 for the actual Allied Powers however)
[3] Another otl leader of CPGB. Khrushchev analogue.
[4] Otl first president of Zambia. Zambia was a part of UBSC from 1947 to 1991 (one of the last to leave), saw West Australian BSC join Loyallist Australia.
[5] Another otl CPGB leader. Presided over some smaller BSCs leaving. Stepped down after reunification of France.
[6] New England was annexed after WW2. Sanders serves as an analogue for Gorbachev. Most of the BSCs left during his time as leader. In 1991 he stepped down as New England declared its independence. Maritimes also left UBSC and joined New England. Zambia and Uganda also left in the same year.
[7] Last leader of UBSC, now reduced to British Isles, South Atlantic Isles and Gibraltar. Ireland would declare independence and he would lead the British Provisional Government until elections could be organised in the Restored United Kingdom of Great Britain. Now leads the Socialist Party of Great Britain, one of three major parties in Britain (the leftiest one). Others are Labour (centre-left) led by Tony Blair and Conservatives (right) led by Boris Johnson.
From the same (sort of) timeline as my previous post in this thread.
Presidents of the United Socialist States of America (East America):
0. Earl Browder, CPUSA, 1945, Acting President [1]
1. Norman Thomas, Socialist Party of America (SPA), 1946-1954; def. William Z. Foster, CPUSSA [2]
2. William Z. Foster, CPUSSA, 1954-1958; def. Darlington Hoopes, SPA [3]
3. Benjamin J. Davis Jr., CPUSSA, 1958-1962; def. Gus Tyler, SPA [4]
4. Gus Hall, CPUSSA, 1962-1970 (unopposed) [5]
5. Jarvis Tyner, CPUSSA, 1970-1978; def. Louis Fisher, Socialist Labor Party [6]
6. Angela Davis, CPUSSA, 1978-1986; def. Jules Levin, SLP [7]
7. John Batchell, CPUSSA, 1986-1990; def. James Harris, Socialist Workers Party [8]
8. Eugene Debs Smith, CPUSSA, 1990-1995 (unopposed) (first fictional person in this list) [9]
Presidents of the American Socialist Federation (East America):
9. Eugene Debs Smith, 1995-2005, Communist Party of America (unopposed) [9]
10. Jack Reed Smith, 2005-2016, CPA (unopposed) [10]
11. Albert Inkpin Smith, 2016-Present, CPA (unopposed) [11]
[1] OTL leader of CPUSA. Made acting president of USSA after Britannic Union signs the Mississippi-Ohio Agreement with USA. Largely making those rivers into the borders between USA and USSA (other than State of Ohio being in USSA). Acts as caretaker government until new laws are established and elections can be organized.
[2] OTL presidential candidate from SPA. Won the first and the second elections however the SPA's relative moderateness and Americans wish to be more integrated with the rest of the Socialist World (also Minority votes.) led to Communist victory.
[3] OTL leader of CPUSA. Turned USSA towards a more syndicalist economic model. Darlington Hoopes was an OTL presidential candidate from SPA.
[4] Was an African-American lawyer and CPUSA politician and was in city council of NYC. Becomes the first Black President of any "American" Nation (PSA, USA, USSA). Gus Tyler was a labor unionist and author. SPA mostly dies out as their moderateness is unpopular at the time as tensions grow with USA.
[5] OTL longtime leader of CPUSA. Was president during high tensions with USA. In 1967 USA fought a war against PSA and USSA. US Old Northwest was annexed by USSA. War was ended and USSA was a recognized by the International Concord (UN equivalent) as a Great Power. He would also be the "Man Behind the Man" until Batchell got elected.
[6] Hall's running mate in OTL for 72-76. Administration mostly uneventful. Fisher was OTL presidential candidate for SLP in 72. Socialist Labor Party emerges as a more syndicalist (specifically Marxist-De Leonist) alternative for the more orthodox CPUSA.
[7] Hall's running mate in OTL for 80-84. Administration mostly uneventful other than the detonation of the first East American (USSA) Nuclear Bomb in 1984. First female American president. Levin was OTL presidential candidate for SLP in 76. As UBSC loses influence and power SLP became a less popular alternative to CPUSSA.
[8] More recent OTL leader of CPUSA (2014-2019). One of the few presidents that had only a single term. Administration mostly uneventful but unpopular. Control tightened over the government as socialism grows more unpopular. As SLP lost popularity *Trotskyist SWP rose to replace it.
[9] Named after influential American Socialist Eugene V. Debs (Washington DC was also renamed into Debs, District of De Leon after the foundation of the USSA). As control was tightened by his predecessor he was allowed to run unopposed. Bahamas (and Turks and Caicos) changed from a Britannic Syndicalist Commonwealth into a Socialist State. Reformed the USSA with its 20 States into the American Socialist Federation with its 11 Regions. East America is turned into a full dictatorship.
[10] Named after Journalist and Communist Activist (and also a volunteer in the British March Revolution) Jack Reed. After the death of his father Regions of Michigan and Superior rebel under pro-US leadership. Other rebellions follow soon after. The rebellions were eventually crushed in 8 to 9 years. He dies in 2016 with some suspicions.
[11] Jack R. Smith's son Albert I. Smith becomes the president. He is named after the first leader of the Revolutionary Union of Britain. In order to get some good will with rest of the world after the long civil war and brutal crushing of the rebels the mostly quiet Bahamas would be given to the United Kingdom. The ASF would remain an oppressive dictatorship and Albert I. Smith would become known as a flamboyant and eccentric dictator. There has been small improvements in the lives of regular citizens and extremely limited entering of the pop-culture of the capitalist world into the ASF. (He is basically American Kim Jong Un but named after ITTL Lenin.)
1995-2007: Fuad Ben Eliezer (One Israel)Should I continue?
Any specific events?From a TL I've been working on
Dead Kennedys' Wet Dream, or How Pol Pot Became President Moonbeam
John F. Kennedy/Claire Engle 1961-1963
1960: Def. Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge II
Claire Engle/vacant 1963-1964
Adlai Stevenson II/vacant 1964-1965
Henry Cabot Lodge II/Milton S. Eisenhower 1965-1968
1964: Def. Adlai Stevenson II/Eugene McCarthy
Milton S. Eisenhower/vacant 1968-1969
George C. Wallace/Daniel Inouye 1969-1970
1968: Def. Henry Cabot Lodge II(🕇)/Milton Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson(🕇)/Daniel Inouye, George C. Wallace/Louise D. Hicks
George C. Wallace/Norris Cotton 1970-1973
John Lindsay/Wilbur Mills 1973-1977
1972: Def. Shirley Chisholm/Wilbur Mills, George C. Wallace/Norris Cotton, John Lindsay/Pete McCloseky
Paul “Pot” Sar/Walter Cronkite 1977-1985
1976: Def. John Lindsay/Walter Washington, Strom Thurmond/James L. Buckley
1980: Def. Meldrim Thompson/Barry Goldwater Jr., Arthur Schlesinger/Edward Brooke, Ezra Taft Benson/Evan Mecham
George W. Romney/Paula Hawkins 1985-1989
1984: Def. Robert Redford/Wilson Goode, Alan Cranston/Jeane Kirkpatrick, Jesse Helms/Larry McDonald, Walter Cronkite/Norman Mailer, William F. Buckley/George Voinovich
Joe Biden/Alexander Haig 1989-1993
1988: Def. Jesse Jackson/Elizabeth Holtzman, Adlai Stevenson III/Jay Rockefeller, George W. Romney/ Paula Hawkins, Pete du Pont/Jack Kemp
To Be Continued...
Party Key:
Democratic
Liberal
American Independent
Conservative
Anti-Californian/Protest Democratic
Latter Day Saints (formerly Republican)
Solidarity
From a TL I've been working on
Dead Kennedys' Wet Dream, or How Pol Pot Became President Moonbeam
John F. Kennedy/Claire Engle 1961-1963
1960: Def. Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge II
Claire Engle/vacant 1963-1964
Adlai Stevenson II/vacant 1964-1965
Henry Cabot Lodge II/Milton S. Eisenhower 1965-1968
1964: Def. Adlai Stevenson II/Eugene McCarthy
Milton S. Eisenhower/vacant 1968-1969
George C. Wallace/Daniel Inouye 1969-1970
1968: Def. Henry Cabot Lodge II(🕇)/Milton Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson(🕇)/Daniel Inouye, George C. Wallace/Louise D. Hicks
George C. Wallace/Norris Cotton 1970-1973
John Lindsay/Wilbur Mills 1973-1977
1972: Def. Shirley Chisholm/Wilbur Mills, George C. Wallace/Norris Cotton, John Lindsay/Pete McCloseky
Paul “Pot” Sar/Walter Cronkite 1977-1985
1976: Def. John Lindsay/Walter Washington, Strom Thurmond/James L. Buckley
1980: Def. Meldrim Thompson/Barry Goldwater Jr., Arthur Schlesinger/Edward Brooke, Ezra Taft Benson/Evan Mecham
George W. Romney/Paula Hawkins 1985-1989
1984: Def. Robert Redford/Wilson Goode, Alan Cranston/Jeane Kirkpatrick, Jesse Helms/Larry McDonald, Walter Cronkite/Norman Mailer, William F. Buckley/George Voinovich
Joe Biden/Alexander Haig 1989-1993
1988: Def. Jesse Jackson/Elizabeth Holtzman, Adlai Stevenson III/Jay Rockefeller, George W. Romney/ Paula Hawkins, Pete du Pont/Jack Kemp
To Be Continued...
Party Key:
Democratic
Liberal
American Independent
Conservative
Anti-Californian/Protest Democratic
Latter Day Saints (formerly Republican)
Solidarity
Fixed. Clair Engle is made VP after Sar (Pol Pot) pulls some strings at the convention so as to get friend and political ally Alan Cranston into the senate. After his senate loss, Nixon runs for senate, but loses by an even larger margin due to Sar's meddling, causing him to beat his wife even more and lead to a very public divorce. Kennedy is assassinated as IOTL, but Engle's still suffering from his brain tumor. Engle can't negotiate civil rights in his condition, and everyone's worried about succession. Adlai Stevenson II is made president through being elected speaker and Engle resigning. He is seen as a unity figure and with the belief that he will not pursue the presidency in 1964. Meanwhile, the Republicans use the chaos of Kennedy-Engle-Stevenson to support the idea that Nixon should've won in 1960, but as Nixon is politically neutered, Lodge becomes the nominee instead. In the chaos of the 1964 Democratic primaries, many states vote for unpledged electors. These states support Adlai Stevenson II for president at convention, but LBJ holds a slim lead. McCarthy is in third and accepts the vice presidency, but many are not happy with the Stevenson-McCarthy ticket, angry at Stevenson for being both old and going back on his promise to not run, while McCarthy is criticized as too left wing. Lodge escalates the war in Vietnam dramatically by making it an American protectorate. In 1968, the third party run of George Wallace throws the election into the house as neither candidate is willing to compromise with him. Inouye is easily sworn in by the Senate, but while the house of representatives are voting, LBJ suffers a heart attack and Lodge is assassinated by Ahmed Rageh Namer while meeting with John Lindsay in NYC. As the last man standing, George Wallace becomes president. His regime is bat shit insane as one expects, but after Inouye resigns over racism, the American Independent party seeks to negotiate with the Republicans, narrowly confirming Norris Cotton for the vice presidency. In 1972, the Republican convention narrowly nominates George Wallace over John Lindsay, causing Lindsay to run for president on the Liberal ticket. Meanwhile, the Democratic party without the Southern Democrats shifts to the left quickly, and Shirley Chisholm wins the nomination as the antithesis to Wallace, and choose Mills as VP to attempt to appease more moderate democrats. However, the election is thrown to the house again, where most congressman decide they'd rather have John Lindsay over a mad man and a black woman. Lindsay's administration appeases no one, but finally makes some significant headway towards civil rights, but is unable to pull out of Vietnam. Jerry Brown is elected with Sar as lieutenant, but Brown is assassinated by the Manson family. Nobody wants to hitch themselves to Lindsay's sinking ship but he is able to convince his friend the mayor of DC, starting a trend of the Liberal party choosing token black VPs. Meanwhile, the Republicans and American Independent party understand they must cooperate to win again, and Strom Thurmond is seen as the only candidate capable of uniting the two parties. James Buckley is nominated as VP to bring the fledgling Conservative party into the alliance. Despite being very far to the left, Sar is able to capture the nomination due to just how powerful the California delegation is ITTL DNC. He is able to convince Cronkite to be VP, but this probably would not be enough to get him elected if new had not broken about Thurmond's secret half black daughter. I won't go into detail about Sar's presidency, an electoral amendment for national popular vote with a run off is finally passed after all the chaos of the past ten years, and suffice to say he is not popular, leading to Robert F. Kennedy running for the Liberal parties nomination. Initially a promising campaign, he is assassinated by John Hinckley, and his delegates fall behind Arthur Schlesinger after Ted Kennedy refuses belieivng his family is cursed. The American Independent party picks a northern candidate to break it's stereotype as a southern party, and neglects to seek the Republican nomination believing it to be locked in. Instead, the Conservative party which broke out of the North East to become a national party after many believed Buckley would've been a better candidate in '76 is tapped again for the vice presidency, with the western Barry Goldwater Jr. selected for regional balance (after the election there would be talk that Goldwater would've been the better candidate). The Republican convention does not support this ticket because as it has lost it's core supporters to the AIP and Conservatives, all that's left is the Mormons. Ezra Taft Benson, long harboring political ambitions (being tapped by Wallace for the VP in 1970 before being passed up for Norris Cotton), runs and captures the nomination selecting radical John Bircher Evan Mecham as VP. Despite his unpopularity, Sar is able to barely capture 40% of the vote, meaning no run off. In 1984, the democratic party fractures when President Sar supports Alan Cranston over Walter Cronkite to succeed him. This leads to much protest over the undue influence over the California delegation over the national party, leading to the creation of the Anti-Californian/Protest Democratic party (the name depends on the state) by Norman Mailer. The party quickly nominates Walter Cronkite and while he does not campaign, he does not refuse the nomination either. The American Independent-Conservative alliance also fractures after Jesse Helms just barely captures the nomination over William F. Buckley, with the latter refusing to endorse the former. This all seems to leave the Liberals poised to win the election, with enormously popular actor and political activist Robert Redford gaining the nomination. The Republican party has at this point changed it's name to the LDS party, but as Helms nomination attracts many Birchers, a draft movement started by young and liberal Mormons for George W. Romney succeeds. Come election day, the liberals come in first, but just barely miss the 40% threshold, with the Romney coming in second just barely over Cranston. This is mostly attributed to some states retaining Republican on their ballot instead of LDS. Redford seems to have the election in the bag, but in the lead up to run off election America begins to have second thoughts of picking an actor and a mayor over two seasoned politicians. In the end, Romney is narrowly elected. However, his party has basically no representation in Congress, mollifying his presidency. In 1988 the unbelievable happens. Joe Biden, the popular Liberal senator from Delaware quickly becomes the front runner and is able to hammer out a deal with the American Independent party based on his friendships with many of it's members. The Democratic party fractures after Jesse Jackson gains the nomination, pushing many of the more moderate democrats who had stuck with the party through the Sar years out once and for all, with Adlai Stevenson III running for president using the Solidarity party that had got him elected governor to launch a national campaign with his friend Jay Rockefeller. The conservative party nominates Pete du Pont to try and contrast him with Joe Biden, but this largely fails and the Conservatives come in dead last.Any specific events?
Also Clair* (no "e") Engle.
Much, much more left wing than Jerry Brown. He first enters office as mayor of San Francisco during the summer of love largely on the back of the hippy movement, which is where Paul (Saloth's new name after converting to Catholicism) earns the nickname Paul "Pot". He has a history within the socialist party but joins the Democrats due to an early and virulent opposition to the Vietnam War, which is escalated dramatically by President Lodge making South Vietnam an American protectorate. His ideology is also heavily influenced by the Johnson-Forest Tendency through his wife Grace Lee Sar. To combat the major depression affecting the nation during his president, he also pursues a similar isolationist, agrarian regime to Pol Pot.How bad is American Pol Pot on a scale of OTL Jerry Brown to OTL Pol Pot?
But was it as genocidal/at all genocidal?Much, much more left wing than Jerry Brown. He first enters office as mayor of San Francisco during the summer of love largely on the back of the hippy movement, which is where Paul (Saloth's new name after converting to Catholicism) earns the nickname Paul "Pot". He has a history within the socialist party but joins the Democrats due to an early and virulent opposition to the Vietnam War, which is escalated dramatically by President Lodge making South Vietnam an American protectorate. His ideology is also heavily influenced by the Johnson-Forest Tendency through his wife Grace Lee Sar. To combat the major depression affecting the nation during his president, he also pursues a similar isolationist, agrarian regime to Pol Pot.
Same timeline as the above posts but the Presidents of the United States of America. A lot of Presidents/Candidates who served in WW2 could have died ITTL while fighting against the Japanese and Britannics (read: Soviets) but I am currently ignoring that possibility.
List of the Presidents of the United States:
1-27 1789-1914 Before POD and as such as OTL.
28 1912-1916 Woodrow Wilson (Democratic); def: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive) and William Howard Taft (Republican)
1916-1920 Woodrow Wilson (Democratic); def: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican)
29 1920-1923 Warren G. Harding (Republican); def: James M. Cox (Democratic)
30 1923-1924 Calvin Coolidge (Republican); Harding died in office
1924-1928 Calvin Coolidge (Republican); def: John W. Davis (Democratic) and Robert M. La Follette (Progressive)
31 1928-1932 Herbert Hoover (Republican); def: Al Smith (Democratic)
32 1932-1936 Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic); def: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1936-1940 Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic); def: Alf Landon (Republican)
1940-1944 Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic); def: Wendell Willkie (Republican)
33 1944-1945 Douglas MacArthur (Democratic); def: Thomas E. Dewey (Republican) (FDR did not attempt reelection because of the war. Eisenhower was Dewey's running mate )
34 1945-1948 Harry S. Truman (Democratic); was MacArthur's Vice President. MacArthur was forced to resign after the war.
1948-1952 Harry S. Truman (Democratic); def: Thomas E. Dewey (Republican) (as a general of the war Eisenhower could not run for office due to pressure from victorious powers) and Strom Thurmond (States Rights)
35 1952-1956 Richard Nixon (Republican) (while Californian would stay in USA and not go to PSA); def: Strom Thurmond (States Rights) and Adlai Stevenson (Democratic)
1956-1960 Richard Nixon (Republican); def: Strom Thurmond (States Rights)
36 1960-1964 Strom Thurmond (States Rights); def: Spiro Agnew (Republican)
37 1964-1968 Lyndon B. Johnson (States Rights); def: Gerald Ford (Republican)
1968-1972 Lyndon B. Johnson (States Rights); def: Gerald Ford (Republican)
38 1972-1976 Gerald Ford (Republican); def: Hubert Humphrey (States Rights) (Got no electoral college votes, States Rights Party is replaced by the Nationalist Party)
39 1976-1980 Walter Mondale (Nationalist); def: Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
40 1980-1984 Ronald Reagan (Reagan'ite Nationalist); def: Walter Mondale (Nationalist) and Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
1984-1988 Ronald Reagan (Nationalist); def: Lloyd Bentsen (Liberal)
41 1988-1992 George H.W. Bush (Nationalist); def: Lloyd Bentsen (Liberal)
1992-1996 George H.W. Bush (Nationalist); def: Bill Clinton (Liberal)
42 1996-2000 Bill Clinton (Liberal); def: Bob Dole (Nationalist)
43 2000-2004 George W. Bush (Nationalist); def: Tim Walz (Liberal)
2004-2008 George W. Bush (Nationalist); def: Tim Walz (Liberal)
44 2008-2012 Dick Cheney (Nationalist); def: Penny Flanagan (Liberal)
2012-2016 Dick Cheney (Nationalist); def: Jared Polis (Liberal)
45 2016-2020 Mike Pence (Nationalist); def: John Bel Edwards (Liberal)