List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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The Greatest Honor History Can Bestow...
[Part 1 of an ongoing series]

1969-1971: Richard M. Nixon ✞/Spiro T. Agnew (Republican) [1]
'68 def. Hubert H. Humphrey/Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic), George C. Wallace/Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
1971-1971: Spiro T. Agnew/Vacant (Republican)
1971-1975: Spiro T. Agnew */John G. Tower (Republican) [2]
'72 def. Edmund S. Muskie/Daniel K. Inouye (Democratic), John Lindsay/scattered (Independent Republican)
1975-1975: John G. Tower/Vacant (Republican)
1975-1976: John G. Tower •/Melvin R. Laird (Republican) [3]
1976-1976: Melvin R. Laird/Vacant (Republican)
1976-1977: Melvin R. Laird (Republican)/Ellsworth Bunker (Independent) [4]​
1977-1981: Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr./James E. Carter (Democratic) [5]
'76 def. Melvin R. Laird/George H. W. Bush (Republican), Wally Hickel/Pete McCloskey (Independent Republican)

[1] Before Richard M. Nixon's tragic death, commentators spoke of the death of John F. Kennedy as a watershed moment, a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
The two certainly had a lot of similarities beyond both running in the 1960 election. Both were big dreamers who left behind unfinished legacies - Kennedy with civil rights and the space program, Nixon with ending the Vietnam War, getting the economy on track, and ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment. Both of them were ready young, with Nixon being elected to the Vice Presidency at 39 and Kennedy being elected to the Presidency at 43. Both of them fought adversity on their way, Kennedy with his health problems and the headwinds of anti-Catholic prejudice and Nixon with his family's modest means. Both of them were staunch anti-communists, foreign policy wonks, strong politicians.
Both of them died tragically, Kennedy shot dead in a Dallas motorcade and Nixon bleeding out on a Bethesda operating table as doctors tried to remove a clot from the President's left leg, a consequence of his chronic phlebitis. Both of them left behind the image of a martyr - Kennedy shot dead by a Communist and Nixon refusing to seek medical attention as he fought to see peace in Vietnam, détente with China and the Soviet Union, and prosperity at home - even as later historians re-evaluate their legacies. Both left tricky situations for their successors, Kennedy with Vietnam and civil rights and Nixon with both of those same things and an economic crisis atop them.
It would be reductionist to call Richard Nixon the Republican Jack Kennedy. But it wouldn't exactly be wrong.

[2] But Spiro Agnew was certainly no Lyndon Johnson. His presidency was white lower-middle-class alienation made manifest, the backlash to the civil rights movement and the welfare state in the hands of a genuine believer rather than someone like Nixon, who wanted to use that anger but didn't share the motives of his voters. Agnew neutered the EPA Nixon had established, closed off the possibility of détente and a Presidential visit to China, tore up plans for desegregation, and tried in vain to stabilize the dollar and keep the good economy of the '60s running into the era of balance-of-payments issues and the Nixon shock. But none of it worked, not really. As the President went into the 1972 election, with Ed Muskie well ahead of him in every poll and Pete McCloskey looking like Agnew's Gene McCarthy (they even sounded similar), a man from the Committee to Re-Elect the President came to his office.
In the end, it wasn't Vietnam that brought Agnew down, with Vietnamization coming at the cost of thousands or millions dead in bombing campaigns and famine and the collapse of the rickety dictatorship that was South Vietnam as the President blocked refugees to save American jobs. It wasn't stagflation, the two-headed giant that stomped on the American economy and destroyed jobs and regional economies even despite Agnew's genuine efforts, causing poverty and crime and sickness and death. It wasn't the bribes he took in Maryland or in Washington, or even the blackmailed journalists courtesy of CREEP and the Plumbers who covered them up. It wasn't the subversion of the Muskie campaign or the engineered shambles of the Lindsay campaign.
No, it was Greece. Agnew hadn't started the Papadopoulos dictatorship, but even under Nixon he had openly supported it and met with its leaders. And when he became President, he backed Papadopoulos - until he seemed weak, at which point he backed a coup against him, "like Kennedy did to Diem". And after all the blood - of the students of Greece's universities, of the purged naval officers, of the dissidents and poets hauled into the police headquarters on Bouboulina Street and the ESA facilities - America had enough, especially after Vietnam.
Mark Hatfield and George McGovern got together again to put forward another resolution demanding the US get out of Greece. When Agnew blithely ignored it, Congress dusted off the articles of impeachment left from Wright Patman's failed attempt. Agnew fought to the bitter end, but only served to alienate more and more of his former supporters. In the end, he did go quietly.

[3] The Presidency of John Tower was a curious one. One of the earliest Republicans in the South to reach high office, and one of the few Southern politicians of his generation not to openly race-bait - but also a key opponent of the Civil Rights Act. An intellectual, who came from academia and brought Savile Row suits and a thoroughgoing Anglophilia with him from the London School of Economics.
But by 1975, he was less well-known for his record, an undistinguished one of conservatism and support for more military spending, and better-known for his slow collapse over the course of his Vice Presidency, turning to drink and perhaps to corruption. Maybe it started with the divorce. Or maybe the pressure of knowing that history would not regard Spiro Agnew's #2 well got to him. But by the time he was inaugurated, John Tower was not considered a respectable enough figure to steer the ship of state through the impeachment of a sitting president.
Many people wanted him to resign immediately. Tower himself, perhaps, wanted to resign immediately. But that would have put Tip O'Neill, the Speaker who leapfrogged over Carl Albert and Hale Boggs to win his office specifically promising to impeach Agnew, in office. And to a restive nation and a party afraid that Agnew would start hollering about a coup, making O'Neill or the Democrats who supported him look like it was a simple matter of self-interest or a partisan power-grab was simply not acceptable.
So over the winter of 1975 - as the Ioannides regime retrenched in the hopes of becoming "Franco on the Aegean", as a Falangist coup against the new King of Spain devolved into another Civil War, as Indira Gandhi's seizure of power in India came to a bloody end and the alliance of convenience between traditionalists and Marxists had to be negotiated, as Chairman Mao's health declined more and more - the government of the United States was focused on negotiating an end to its own crisis of leadership.

[4] Melvin Laird was not the top choice to resolve those problems. Secretary of Defense under Nixon and part of Agnew's term, he had backed the Agnew Doctrine, though he had chosen to leave the Cabinet after the 1972 election. But he was a Nixonite without the baggage of most other Nixonites, and that seemed to count for something at least.
His presidency was one focused on putting out fires. The Spanish debacle saw American recognition of the royalists - any Americans concerned about the lack of democracy were mollified by the fact that the other options were Francoites and Marxists - but no direct aid, and pressure more towards bringing the parties to the negotiating table than anything else. Such was the Laird Doctrine, and it paid dividends - Nixon's old Secretary of State, William P. Rogers, became a national hero in Namibia for brokering South African recognition and withdrawal in the São Paulo Accords, while the Chinese leadership crisis ended with no aggressive actions, at the very least. Some saw the hand of the CIA in the new Indian constitution, with the Hindustani Federation built on nationalist and liberal lines and little influence from Sundarayya's input, but open intervention (or even the hint thereof) was out of style.
It seemed like that would be it for the Laird administration, and for the Republican Party's 8-year spell in government. Laird had ruled out running for the nomination, and after a spirited campaign, another Nixon loyalist who had gotten out while the going was good - former Texas Governor and "Democrat for Nixon" John Connally - was in the hot seat. After Agnew and Tower, Connally was considered the inevitable loser, but he was likely to at least give a respectable performance. Immediately to his left was Wally Hickel, yet another former Cabinet member but one who had resigned in protest even before Nixon's death, running as an "Independent Republican" to return the party to its Eisenhowerian roots - his running mate was former primary candidate Pete McCloskey, fired up enough by Agnew's abuses of power to run against him in '72 and ratfucked out of his House seat in retaliation only to come back as an independent two years later. And next over from there was Arthur Schlesinger, already the anointed inevitable 41st President, the court historian of Camelot who ran as a sort of appeal to the better angels of the American nature, or of the heavenly choir of public opinion that, in Schattschneider's immortal words, "sings with a prominent upper-class accent." It was all laid out so neatly - Laird would retire as a statesman without having to seek approval from the voters or spend time campaigning, and American politics would return to normalcy.
Except that Connally went down over milk money (of all the things), and the Republican National Convention nominated Laird after a messy panic. As Laird criss-crossed the country - on a reversion-to-the-mean economic bounce from the Agnew years, and looking into a bright future. Laird could almost believe he would win.

[5] But instead, it was Arthur Schlesinger. A historian and the son of a historian, the dorky-looking academic and critic of the "imperial presidency" seemed like a safe pair of hands. On a platform of making the United States less of a hegemon and more the "first among equals" of the free world through diplomacy and trade, of bringing about peace at the home front through a renewed War on Poverty, of pushing to bring minorities into a common American identity through demanding both tolerance from the majority and assimilation from minorities, of stopping the inflationary spiral that was just beginning in 1976, and most of all of bringing the power of the Presidency under control, Schlesinger won a solid majority of the popular vote and a borderline landslide in the Electoral College.
How did it go so wrong? Part of it was Schlesinger's inexperience with government. He had seen it, but from the outside, and he staffed his administration primarily with academics - though sometimes, as with Secretary of the Treasury John Kenneth Galbraith, they turned out to be competent and on-the-ball, other times that very much did not happen, as with Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Lewis Mumford. Often the flaw was not merely that the academics were out of touch but that they sought to fit humans into their models rather than fitting the models against actual humans - new Secretary of Energy Alvin Weinberg, in alliance with Vice President Jimmy Carter, responded to the outcry over nuclear power after a partial meltdown at the Donald C. Cook Nuclear Plant near South Bend, Indiana, by pushing to make nuclear construction less subject to public pressure.
And often the problem was conventional wisdom. "Schlesinger", a later historian wrote, "had seemingly come to the conclusion, after decades of studying government, that the possibilities of government were limited to a really quite narrow space." He talked a big game about peace abroad, but when the Republican Party quietly torpedoed negotiations over the Panama Canal, he let Richard Holbrooke talk him into an unexpectedly bloody and contentious "intervention" there aimed at deposing Roberto Díaz. He talked about a renewed War on Poverty, but that turned out to largely just mean tax credits on new housing and more funding for school lunches. And the only part of his cultural agenda that passed, restricting immigration, was the only part palatable to the right wing.
It was no surprise that Noam Chomsky, who had been criticizing Schlesinger for a decade and a half, announced he would be running as a third-party candidate. It wasn't much of one when Frank Church announced a primary run against Schlesinger - Church had been a critic of the administration ever since it had become clear how many of Schlesinger's promises were hollow. When Ted Kennedy very pointedly refused to endorse Schlesinger's re-election, that raised a few eyebrows. Then Church nearly won the primary in New Hampshire and did win the primary in Wisconsin, then Schlesinger didn't clinch the nomination until Pennsylvania against Church and a last-minute push by former Texas governor Ben Barnes. The campaign rallied a little after the conventions - Schlesinger defeated his robotic opposite number, Illinois Senator Donald Rumsfeld, there, and then even received a bit of an October Surprise when a memorandum from Rumsfeld's service in Treasury under Laird surfaced in which he plotted to deliberately overheat the economy to try to win the 1976 election.
It wasn't enough, not nearly. Schlesinger hadn't even won his first state before crucial victories in Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York pushed Rumsfeld over the edge - in the end, he was limited to Minnesota, Hawaii, and DC. But the final ignominy came when the Electoral College voted. Thanks to a shock win by Noam Chomsky in Massachusetts and two faithless electors in Hawaii, Schlesinger didn't even have the honor of placing second in the electoral vote.
 
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The Greatest Honor History Can Bestow...
1977-1981: Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr./James E. Carter (Democratic) [5]
'76 def. Melvin R. Laird/George H. W. Bush (Republican), Wally Hickel/Pete McCloskey (Independent Republican)

[5] But instead, it was Arthur Schlesinger. A historian and the son of a historian, the dorky-looking academic and critic of the "imperial presidency" seemed like a safe pair of hands. On a platform of making the United States less of a hegemon and more the "first among equals" of the free world through diplomacy and trade, of bringing about peace at the home front through a renewed War on Poverty, of pushing to bring minorities into a common American identity through demanding both tolerance from the majority and assimilation from minorities, of stopping the inflationary spiral that was just beginning in 1976, and most of all of bringing the power of the Presidency under control, Schlesinger won a solid majority of the popular vote and a borderline landslide in the Electoral College.
How did it go so wrong? Part of it was Schlesinger's inexperience with government. He had seen it, but from the outside, and he staffed his administration primarily with academics - though sometimes, as with Secretary of the Treasury John Kenneth Galbraith, they turned out to be competent and on-the-ball, other times that very much did not happen, as with Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Lewis Mumford. Often the flaw was not merely that the academics were out of touch but that they sought to fit humans into their models rather than fitting the models against actual humans - new Secretary of Energy Alvin Weinberg, in alliance with Vice President Jimmy Carter, responded to the outcry over nuclear power after a partial meltdown at the Donald C. Cook Nuclear Plant near South Bend, Indiana, by pushing to make nuclear construction less subject to public pressure.
And often the problem was conventional wisdom. "Schlesinger", a later historian wrote, "had seemingly come to the conclusion, after decades of studying government, that the possibilities of government were limited to a really quite narrow space." He talked a big game about peace abroad, but when the Republican Party quietly torpedoed negotiations over the Panama Canal, he let Richard Holbrooke talk him into an unexpectedly bloody and contentious "intervention" there aimed at deposing Roberto Díaz. He talked about a renewed War on Poverty, but that turned out to largely just mean tax credits on new housing and more funding for school lunches. And the only part of his cultural agenda that passed, restricting immigration, was the only part palatable to the right wing.
It was no surprise that Noam Chomsky, who had been criticizing Schlesinger for a decade and a half, announced he would be running as a third-party candidate. It wasn't much of one when Frank Church announced a primary run against Schlesinger - Church had been a critic of the administration ever since it had become clear how many of Schlesinger's promises were hollow. When Ted Kennedy very pointedly refused to endorse Schlesinger's re-election, that raised a few eyebrows. Then Church nearly won the primary in New Hampshire and did win the primary in Wisconsin, then Schlesinger didn't clinch the nomination until Pennsylvania against Church and a last-minute push by former Texas governor Ben Barnes. The campaign rallied a little after the conventions - Schlesinger defeated his robotic opposite number, Illinois Senator Donald Rumsfeld, there, and then even received a bit of an October Surprise when a memorandum from Rumsfeld's service in Treasury under Laird surfaced in which he plotted to deliberately overheat the economy to try to win the 1976 election.
It wasn't enough, not nearly. Schlesinger hadn't even won his first state before crucial victories in Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York pushed Rumsfeld over the edge - in the end, he was limited to Minnesota, Hawaii, and DC. But the final ignominy came when the Electoral College voted. Thanks to a shock win by Noam Chomsky in Massachusetts and two faithless electors in Hawaii, Schlesinger didn't even have the honor of placing second in the electoral vote.

I love Schlesinger but I really love this tragic portrayal of him. This is like the "JFK as a despised drug-addicted leader who can't get anything done" portrayal but for political intellectuals.
 
Prime ministers of USA

During the war of Independence the Patriots lose. As a result a Dominion is set up with a PM to prevent another Revolution

1784-1810: William Franklin (R)
1810-1816: Edmund Fanning (Def)
1816-1824: Henry Clay (NSRE)
1824-1832: John W. Taylor (NSRE)
1832-1844: John C. Calhoun (NSRE)
1844-1848: John Davis (Def)
1848-1852: Meredith P. Gentry (NSRE)
1852-1864: William A. Richardson (NSRE)
1864-1872: Schuyler Colfax (NSRE)
1872-1876: James G. Blaine (Def)
1876-1880: Samuel J. Randall (Def)
1880-1884: Joseph W. Keifer (Def)
1884-1890: John G. Carlisle (R)
1890-1896: Charles F. Crisp (Def)
1896-1906: John C. Bell (R)
1906-1912: Joseph G. Cannon (NSRE)
1912-1920: Champ Clark (Def)
1920-1924: Frederick H. Gillett (NSRE)
1924-1928: Finis J. Garrett (NSRE)
1928-1932: Bertrand Snell (Def)
1932-1945: John Nance Garner (R)
1945-1948: Henry A. Wallace (Def)
1948-1956: Joseph W. Martin Jr. (Def)
1956-1961: Sam Rayburn (D)
1961-1964: Lyndon B. Johnson (Def)
1964-1980: Gerald Ford (Def)
1980-1987: Tip O’Neill (R)
1987-1992: Jim Wright (Def)
1992-2000: Jerry Lewis (Def)
2000-2004: Nancy Pelosi (Def)
2004-2008: Eric Cantor (Def)
2008-Present: Bernie Sanders


Key:
Tory (3) (44)
Whig (3) (20)
Conservative (12) (84)

Liberal (8) (44)
Labor (5) (32)
Progressive (1) (11+)
R-resigned
NSRE- not standing for re election
Def- defeated
D- died
 
Here's a fun one

Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/John Lance Garner(D-TX) 1933-1941
Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA) 1941-1945
Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA)/Vacant 1945-1949
Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA)/Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 1949-1953

Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (D-MA)/Dwight D. Eisenhower (I-KS) 1953-1961
John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) 1961-1965
John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/
Stephen E. Smith (I-NY) 1965-1969

Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/Sargent Shriver (D-MD) 1969-1977
Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Jacqueline Kennedy (D-NY) 1977-1985
Jacqueline Kennedy (D-NY)/ Kathleen Townsend (D-MD) 1985-1989
Kathleen Townsend (D-MD)/Bobby Shriver (D-CA) 1989-1997
Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-MA)/P. J. Kennedy (D-RI) 1997-2005
Mark Shriver (D-MD)/Ted Kennedy Jr. (D-MA) 2005-2013
Caroline Kennedy (D-NY)/Christopher Kennedy (D-IL) 2013-2021
Joseph P. Kennedy III (D-MA)/William K. Smith (D-DC)
 
Here's a fun one

Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/John Lance Garner(D-TX) 1933-1941
Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA) 1941-1945
Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA)/Vacant 1945-1949
Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (D-MA)/Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 1949-1953

Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (D-MA)/Dwight D. Eisenhower (I-KS) 1953-1961
John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) 1961-1965
John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/
Stephen E. Smith (I-NY) 1965-1969

Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/Sargent Shriver (D-MD) 1969-1977
Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Jacqueline Kennedy (D-NY) 1977-1985
Jacqueline Kennedy (D-NY)/ Kathleen Townsend (D-MD) 1985-1989
Kathleen Townsend (D-MD)/Bobby Shriver (D-CA) 1989-1997
Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-MA)/P. J. Kennedy (D-RI) 1997-2005
Mark Shriver (D-MD)/Ted Kennedy Jr. (D-MA) 2005-2013
Caroline Kennedy (D-NY)/Christopher Kennedy (D-IL) 2013-2021
Joseph P. Kennedy III (D-MA)/William K. Smith (D-DC)
Replace that racist pro-lobotomy SOB Joe Sr. with Henry Wallace and this is my ideal timeline.
 
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Replace that racist pro-lobotomy SOB Joe Sr. with Henry Wallace and this is my ideal timeline.

Funny how people love Jack and Bobby but hate his dad. I'm seeing why he never ran for president IOTL

President Nancy And VP Fancy

POD is that Fillmore gets the nomination. Guessing this could be called "The Power Couple Presidency". As Buchanan is more emblematic of the problem of the time(namely "let's push the issue of slavery down the road") things aren't much different

13(first term): Millard Fillmore(July 9 1850-March 4 1853)
-Election of 1852: Millard Fillmore/William A Graham(Whig) vs James Buchanan/William Rufus King(Democrat)[1]
14(first term): James Buchanan/William R King(March 4 1853-March 4 1857)[2]
-Election of 1856: John A Quitman/Trusten Polk(Democrat) vs John C Fremont/Abraham Lincoln(Republican) vs Millard Fillmore/Andrew J Donelson(American)[3]
15(second term): Millard Fillmore**/Abraham Lincoln(March 4 1857-August 12 1859)[4]
16(first term): Abraham Lincoln(August 12 1859-March 4 1861)
-Election of 1860: Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson vs Stephen Douglas/Benjamin Wade(Unionist)[5]
16(second term): Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson(March 4 1861-March 4 1865)
-Election of 1864: Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson vs John C Fremont/Daniel W Vorhees(Unionist)
16(third term): Abraham Lincoln/Andrew Johnson(March 4 1865-March 4 1869)
-Election of 1868: Andrew Johnson/Sanford E Church(Unionist/Democrat) vs Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(Independent/Republican)[6]
17(first term): Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(March 4 1869-March 4 1873)
-Election of 1872: Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(Independent/Republican) vs Benjamin Wade/Thomas A Hendricks(Consolidation Party)
17(second term): Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(March 4 1873-March 4 1877)[7]
-Election of 1876: Roscoe Conkling/William A Wheeler(Republican) vs Samuel Tilden/Theodore Roosevelt Sr(Democrat) vs Green Clay Smith/Benjamin Pierce(Temperance)[8]
18(first term): Roscoe Conkling/William A Wheeler(March 4 1877-March 4 1881)
-Election of 1880: Roscoe Conkling/Levi P Morton(Republican) vs Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(Democrat/Temperance)
19(first term): Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(March 4 1881-March 4 1885)[9]
-Election of 1884: Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(Democrat/Temperance) vs Robert T Lincoln/Benjamin Harrison(Republican) vs Theodore Roosevelt/Edward Cooper(Independent)[9]
19(second term): Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(March 4 1885-March 4 1889)

[1]Because of the butterfly effect, King never gets tuberculosis
[2]Buchanan lets the Kansas-Nebraska Act pass because "guys, we can't be confrontational", and he is remembered as a toothless president
[3]Buchanan wasn't brought down by his usual faults, but by the corruption in his cabinet. Still, he doggedly held onto the nomination, warring with Stephen Douglas. Unfortunately this led to a radical fire-eater, Quitman, getting the nomination. And the Republicans opened with a radical of their own. The argument of "lesser of two evils" led to HR deciding the best option. Unfortunately, they never found it
[4]Fillmore was the first ever member of a third party to become president, though through HR and being considered the safest candidate. Lincoln was moved to being his VP. Fillmore, having come to regret the Compromise of 1850, went out to suss the situation and "try to repair what was broken". It never panned out as there was no stopping the boiling civil war. Fillmore's assassination by Southerners was the straw that broke the camel's back, and it made Lincoln the president
[5]In blood and war, the loyal Democrats and Republicans folded into one party-the Unionist. However they weren't sure who should be their pick. For the first time since 1824, it was a one-party race. Lincoln and loyal Johnson, Douglas and passionate Wade. Ultimately, Lincoln managed to get a term of his own
[6]Soaring high from seeing the Union win the Civil War, Lincoln managed to be elected for a third term, though would insist "it still counts in the spirit of Washington, given I was only elected twice". Johnson, despite butting heads with many politicians, proved a popular and symbolic VP, and was chosen as the next president. He narrowly lost to Joseph Hooker
[7]OOC-I chose Hooker for an alternate famed general to Grant. Also, his alleged predilection to...well, amuses me. Wilson doesn't get his stroke that killed him
[8]OOC-Franklin Pierce's son. ITTL he never dies and Franklin keeps to his dry status, eventually becoming a notable prohibition figure. Conkling becomes quite the machinator as president.
[9]Pierce was a darkhorse who, party-wise, was important in both restoring the two party system while also establishing a new agent-add the influence of third parties. Best seen with Hayes. Him and Hayes were prohibitionists, pushed by their parents and sister respectively.
[10]No, not the one you know. It's his father, who pulls a 19th century Ross Perot. With the POD being when Robert was like 10, he actually became interested in politics

Abridged list
  • 12: Zachary Taylor*/Millard Fillmore(1849-1850)
  • 13/15: Millard Fillmore**(1850-1853, 1857-1859)/Abraham Lincoln(1857-1859)
  • 14: James Buchanan/William R King(1853-1857)
  • 16: Abraham Lincoln(1859-1869)/Andrew Johnson(1861-1869)
  • 17: Joseph Hooker/Henry Wilson(1869-1877)
  • 18: Roscoe Conkling/William A Wheeler(1877-1881)
  • 19: Benjamin Pierce/Rutherford B Hayes(1881-1889)
Grey-black is Independent, Purple is Unionist(combination of red and blue, symbolic), Temperance is clear blue(as in water over alcohol)
 
1933-1945: Fiorello H. La Guardia (Republican)
1945-1953: Forrest C. Donnell (Republican)

1953-1961: George Marshall (Democratic)
1961-1963: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1963-1969: John Connally (Republican)

1969-1974: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1974-1977: John W. McCormack (Democratic)

1977-1981: James B. Edwards (Republican)
1981-1989: Robert Redford (Democratic)
1989-1993: Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)

1993-2001: Mike Huckabee (Republican)
2001-2009: Jerry Brown (Democratic)
2009-2017: J. C. Watts (Republican)

Probably quite obvious what I'm attempting. Would be delving into current politics if it went any further. :)
 
Presidents on film: The American President
George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle (1988-1992)
Def..Mike Dukakis/Lloyd Benson
Andrew Shepherd/Ben Nelson (1992-2000)
Def..George H.W Bush/Dan Quayle
Ross Perot/John Stockdale
Def..Bob Rumsom/Alan Keyes
Ross Perot/Pat Choate
George W Bush/Colin Powell ( 2000-2004)
Def..Ben Nelson/Dick Gerhardt
Def..Al Gore/Ralph Nader
Bill Clinton/Wesley Clark (2004-2012)
Def..George W Bush/Dick Cheney *
Def..John McCain/Rudy Giuliani

Wesley Clark/Barack Obama (2012-2016)
Def.. Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan
Donald Trump/Sarah Pailin (2016- Present)
Def. .Wesley Clark/Barack Obama

Reform Party
Green Party
* Vice President Colin Powell declined to run for reelection and Dick Cheney was appointed as his replacement
 
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Presidents and Prime Ministers of the UK

During the 30s their was a fascist revolution as a result the uk was facist until the 80s.

Chairman (Facist Dictatorship)
1934-1980: Oswald Mosley (D)
1980-1981: Harold Soref

President (every 6 years):
1981-1987: Roy Jenkins
1987-1993: David Owen
1993-1999: Alan Beith
1999-2005: John Prescott
2005-2011: Hilary Benn
2011-2017: Michael Ancram (Conservative)
2017-Present: Justine Greening (Unionist)


Prime minister of the United Kingdom (every 4 years):
1981-1987: David Owen (R)
1987-1993: Shirley Williams (Def)
1993-2000: Paddy Ashdown (R)
2000-2005: Charles Kennedy (Def)
2005-2008: Margaret Beckett (R)
2008-2009: Jack Straw (Def)
2009-2013: Vince Cable (Def)
2013-2016: Theresa May (Unionist) (R)
2016-Present: Sajid Javid (Conservative)


Leader of the Senate (quarter up every year):
1981-1985:
Robert Maclennan (Def)
1985-1988: John Pardoe (Def)
1988-1991: Robert Maclennan (Def)
1991-1992: Alan Beith (R)
1992-1995: Malcolm Bruce (Def)
1995-2001: Tony Benn (Def)
2001-2006: Simon Hughes (Def)
2006-2009: Alan Johnson (Def)
2009-2011: Simon Hughes (Def)
2011-2017: Alan Duncan (Conservative) (R)
2017-Present: Theresa Villiers (Conservative)


First Minister of England (every 4 years):
1983-1991:
Cyril Smith (NSRE)
1991-1995: Matthew Taylor (Def)
1995-2001: Bryan Gould (R)
2001-2011: Roy Hattersley (Def)
2011-2019: Kenneth Clarke (Unionist) (NSRE)
2019-Present: Jeremy Hunt (Conservative)


First Minister of Scotland (every 4 years):
1983-1987:
Dickson Mabon (Def)
1987-1995: David Steel (NSRE)
1995-2000: Donald Dewar (D)
2000-2001: Henry McLeish (R)
2001-2003: Jack McConnell (Def)
2003-2007: Nicol Stephen (Def)
2007-2011: Alex Salmond (Def)
2011-2014: Johann Lamont (R)
2014-2017: Kezia Dugdale (R)
2017-2019: Richard Leonard (Def)
2019-Present: Ruth Davidson (Unionist)


First Minister of Wales (Every 4 Years):
1983-1989:
Jeffrey Thomas (D)
1989-1991: Ednyfed Hudson Davies (NSRE)
1991-1998: Ron Davies (R)
1998-2008: Rhodes Morgan (R)
2008-2011: Carwyn Jones (Def)
2011-2015: Kirsty Williams (Def)
2015-Present: Edwina Hart


First Minister of Northern Ireland (every 4 years)
1983-1995:
James Molyneaux (Unionist) (R)
1995-2003: David Trimble (Unionist) (NSRE)
2003-2008: Ian Paisley (DUP) (R)
2008-2016: Peter Robinson (DUP) (R)
2016-Present: Arlene Foster (DUP)


Key
R - Resigned
D - Died
NSRE - Not Standing for Re-election
Def - Party defeated at re-election (No longer largest in senate)

SDP - Social Democratic Party (C-CL)
Liberal - (C)
Labour - (L)
Democratic Alliance - collection of parties listed below
Conservative - (CR)
Unionist - (C-CR)
DUP - Democratic Unionist Party (R)
UKIP - United Kingdom Independence Party (R)
National Liberal Party - (C)

Progressive - Merge in 1999 of SDP and Liberal Party (C-CL)
SNP - Scottish Nationalist Party (L)
Green - (L)
Plaid Cymru - (L)
Sinn Fein - (L-FL)
 
1945-1949: Henry L. Stimson / Harold Stassen (Republican)
1944: Henry L. Stimson / Harold Stassen (Republican) versus Cordell Hull/ William O. Douglas (Democrat)
1949-1953: Harold Ickes / Harry S. Truman (Democrat)
1948: Henry L. Stimson / Harold Stassen (Republican) versus Strom Thurmond / James S. Byrnes (States Rights Democrat)
1953-1957: Ted Walker / Mark Wayne Clark (Military Coupon)
1952: Military Coupon (Republican and Democrat endorsed)
1957-1959: Dwight David Eisenhower / George Marshall† (Military/Independent)
1956: Military Coupon (Republican and Democrat endorsed)
1959-1961: Dwight David Eisenhower / VACANT (Military)
1961-1965: Dwight David Eisenhower / James Roosevelt (Military Coupon/Democrat)

1960: Dwight David Eisenhower / James Roosevelt (Military Coupon/Democrat) versus Glen H. Taylor / Nelson Rockefeller (Independent Democrat / Independent Republican)
1965-1967: Dwight David Eisenhower/ Thomas S. Gates Jr. (Military Coupon/Republican)
1964: Dwight David Eisenhower / Thomas S. Gates Jr. (Military Coupon/Republican) versus Nelson Rockefeller / John F. Kennedy (Independent Republican / Independent Democrat)
1967-1969: Thomas S. Gates Jr. / VACANT (Republican)
1969-1970: Thomas S. Gates Jr./ William Knowland (Republican)
1968: Thomas S. Gates Jr. / William Knowland (Republican) versus Hubert H. Humphrey / Thomas Eagleton (Democrat) versus Mike Gravel / George McGovern (Anti-War)
1970-1971: William Knowland¬/ VACANT (Republican)
1971-1973: Al Haig / VACANT (Military)

1973-1981: Al Haig / William Westmoreland(Military)

1972: Robert F. Kennedy / Ed Muskie (Democrat)
1976: No national opponents
1980: Presidential Approval Referendum YES 53% NO 47%

1981-1982: Al Haig †/ VACANT (Military)
1982-1982: Thomas Eagleton¬/ VACANT (Democrat)
1982-1984: George H.W. Bush
!/ VACANT (Republican)
1984-1985: Larry MacDonald / VACANT (Blue Dog)

1985-1989: Dan Quayle / Ralph Nader (Christian Democracy/Green)

1984: Pat Buchanan†/ Dan Quayle (Christian Democracy) versus Al Gore Jr. / Ralph Nader (Green) versus Jack Kemp / Bob Dornan (Conservative) versus Larry MacDonald / Strom Thurmond (Blue Dog) versus Bob Dole / Phil Crane (Republican)
1989-1991: Dan Quayle / Ralph Nader(National Unity)
1988: Suspended due to national emergency
1991-1991: Dan Quayle! / VACANT (National Unity)
1991-1993: Ross Perot / VACANT (Independent)
1993-1996: Ross Perot / Michael Dukakis* (National Nonpartisan League)

1992: Ross Perot / Michael Dukakis (National Nonpartisan League) versus Harold Stassen / various (Reform) versus Donald Trump / Bob Dornan (Eagle Party)
1996-1997: Ross Perot / VACANT (National Nonpartisan League)
1997 -2001: Harold Stassen / Micky Leland (Reform)

1996: Donald Trump*/ Alan Keyes* (Eagle Party) versus Ross Perot / Michael Dukakis* (National Nonpartisan League)
2001-2005: Dick Cheney / Jerry Falwell Jr. (Eagle Party/Christian Democracy)
2000: Dick Cheney / Oliver North (Eagle Party) versus Harold Stassen / Micky Leland (Reform) versus Billy Graham / Jerry Falwell Jr (Christian Democracy)
2005-2009: Dick Cheney / Jerry Falwell Jr. (Party for the Union)
2004: Dick Cheney / Jerry Falwell Jr. (Party for the Union) versus Ross Perrot / Joe Biden (independent)
 
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1945-1949: Henry L. Stimson / Harold Stassen (Republican)
1944: Henry L. Stimson / Harold Stassen (Republican) versus Cordell Hull/ William O. Douglas (Democrat)
1949-1953: Harold Ickes / Harry S. Truman (Democrat)
1948: Henry L. Stimson / Harold Stassen (Republican) versus Strom Thurmond / James S. Byrnes (States Rights Democrat)
1953-1957: Ted Walker / Mark Wayne Clark (Military Coupon)
1952: Military Coupon (Republican and Democrat endorsed)
1957-1959: Dwight David Eisenhower / George Marshall† (Military/Independent)
1956: Military Coupon (Republican and Democrat endorsed)
1959-1961: Dwight David Eisenhower / VACANT (Military)
1961-1965: Dwight David Eisenhower / James Roosevelt (Military Coupon/Democrat)

1960: Dwight David Eisenhower / James Roosevelt (Military Coupon/Democrat) versus Glen H. Taylor / Nelson Rockefeller (Independent Democrat / Independent Republican)
1965-1967: Dwight David Eisenhower/ Thomas S. Gates Jr. (Military Coupon/Republican)
1964: Dwight David Eisenhower / Thomas S. Gates Jr. (Military Coupon/Republican) versus Nelson Rockefeller / John F. Kennedy (Independent Republican / Independent Democrat)
1967-1969: Thomas S. Gates Jr. / VACANT (Republican)
1969-1970: Thomas S. Gates Jr./ William Knowland (Republican)
1968: Thomas S. Gates Jr. / William Knowland (Republican) versus Hubert H. Humphrey / Thomas Eagleton (Democrat) versus Mike Gravel / George McGovern (Anti-War)
1970-1971: William Knowland¬/ VACANT (Republican)
1971-1973: Al Haig / VACANT (Military)

1973-1981: Al Haig / William Westmoreland(Military)

1972: Robert F. Kennedy / Ed Muskie (Democrat)
1976: No national opponents
1980: Presidential Approval Referendum YES 53% NO 47%

1981-1982: Al Haig / VACANT (Military)
1982-1982: Thomas Eagleton¬/ VACANT (Democrat)
1982-1984: George H.W. Bush
!/ VACANT (Republican)
1984-1985: Larry MacDonald / VACANT (Blue Dog)

1985-1989: Dan Quayle / Ralph Nader (Christian Democracy/Green)

1984: Pat Buchanan†/ Dan Quayle (Christian Democracy) versus Al Gore Jr. / Ralph Nader (Green) versus Jack Kemp / Bob Dornan (Conservative) versus Larry MacDonald / Strom Thurmond (Blue Dog) versus Bob Dole / Phil Crane (Republican)
1989-1991: Dan Quayle / Ralph Nader(National Unity)
1988: Suspended due to national emergency
1991-1991: Dan Quayle! / VACANT (National Unity)
1991-1993: Ross Perot / VACANT (Independent)
1993-1996: Ross Perot / Michael Dukakis* (National Nonpartisan League)

1992: Ross Perot / Wesley Clark (National Nonpartisan League) versus Harold Stassen / various (Reform) versus Donald Trump / Bob Dornan (Eagle Party)
1996-1997: Ross Perot / VACANT (National Nonpartisan League)
1997 -2001: Harold Stassen / Micky Leland (Reform)

1996: Donald Trump*/ Alan Keyes* (Eagle Party) versus Ross Perot / Michael Dukakis* (National Nonpartisan League)
2001-2005: Dick Cheney / Jerry Falwell Jr. (Eagle Party/Christian Democracy)
2000: Dick Cheney / Oliver North (Eagle Party) versus Harold Stassen / Micky Leland (Reform) versus Billy Graham / Jerry Falwell Jr (Christian Democracy)
2005-2009: Dick Cheney / Jerry Falwell Jr. (Party for the Union)
2004: Dick Cheney / Jerry Falwell Jr. (Party for the Union) versus Ross Perrot / Joe Biden (independent)
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Republic of New Netherlands

Director of New Netherland
1624-1625: Cornelius Jacobsen May (Ind)
1625-1626: Willem Verhulst (Ind)
1626-1631: Peter Minuit (Ind)
1631-1633: Sebastiaen Jansen Krol (Ind)
1633-1638: Wouter van Twiller (Ind)
1638-1647: Willem Kieft (Ind)

Director-General of New Netherland:
1647-1664: Peter Stuyvesant (Ind)
1664-1673: British Rule (Occupation)
1673-1679: Anthony Colve (Ind)
1679-1692: Nicholas van Rosenvelt (Ind)
1692-1721: Pieter Schuyler (Ind)
1721-1740: Robert Livingston (Ind)
1740-1748: William Beekman (Ind)
1748-1759: Timothy Bush (Ind)
1759-1776: Abraham Van Buren I (Ind)
1776-1792: James Cochran (Ind)
1792-1804: Philip Schuyler (Ind)
1804-1832: Nicholas van Rosenvelt (Ind)
1832-1838: Maarten Van Buren (Ind)
1838-1844: Obadiah Newcomb Bush (Ind)
1844-1850: Abraham Van Buren II (Ind)
1850: New Netherland becomes Independent
1850-1856: Alexander Hamilton Jr. (Liberal)
1856-1862: Cornelius Van Schaack Rosenvelt (L)
1862-1868: James Smith Bush (Conservative)
1868-1874: Courtland Philip Livingston Butler (C)
1874-1880: Martin Van Buren II (Christelijke Liberale Partij)
1880-1886: Theodoor "Theo" van Rosenvelt (Progressieve Conservatieve Partij)
1886-1892: Schuyler Hamilton (CLP)
1892-1898: George Theodore Werts (Vrije Democratische Partij)
1898-1904: Theodore Earl Butler (PCP)
1904-1910: Allan McLane Hamilton (PCP)
1910-1916: Kermit van Rosenvelt (VDP)
1916-1920: William Pierson Hamilton (CLP)
1920-1926: Tadd van Rosenvelt (VDP)
1926-1932:
A. Harry Moore (PCP)
1932-1938: Sam DeWitt (Socialistische Arbeiderspartij)
1938-1944: Frans Delano van Rosenvelt (PCP)
1944-1950: Prescott Sheldon Bush (CLP)
1950-1956: Elias Ben Jozua Sanders (VDP)
1956-1962: Charles Solomon (SA)
1962-1968: William F. Buckley Jr. (CLP)
1968-1974: William Carney (CLP)
1974-1980: Samuel Orr (SA)
1980-1986: Lourens Sanders (SA/VDP)
1986-1992: Theodoor Roosevelt IV (PCP)
1992-1998: George H. W. Bush (CLP)
1998-2004: George Pataki (CLP)
2004-2010: Ben Sanders (SA)
2010-2016: John Ellis Bush (CLP)
2016-present: Kermit van Rosenvelt IV (PCP)
 
A Dark Psychic Force: Supernatural Forces and the Downfall of America
Marianne Williamson/John Hickenlooper 2021-2025

2020: Def. Donald Trump/Mike Pence, Justin Amash/Larry Sharpe
Augustus Sol Invictus/Josh Hawley 2025
2024: Def. Marianne Williamson/John Hickenlooper
Marianne Williamson/Bill Weld 2025-
2028: Ran unopposed
The election of Marianne Williamson was a major shock to America, even moreso than the victory of Trump had been. Williamson was carried to victory via lofty rhetoric and promises of a grand progressive vision. Unfortunately, Williamson's optimism ran aground amidst the toxicity of American politics. Her ambitions were blocked by Republicans in Congress and her personal popularity dipped as leaks from the White House shed light on some of her more eccentric habits-performing occult rituals in the White House and speaking to aides of prophecies and dark forces. The sort of thing that, in those days, would get one labeled a madwoman.

And then in 2024 the Republicans nominated Augustus Sol Invictus for the presidency. This was a shock, as simultaneously Invictus was an extremist (as in a full-on Holocaust denier), a political novice (having only served half a term in Congress) and religiously very strange (a heretical Thelemite, insomuch as Thelma has notions of heresy). Despite these factors, Invictus managed to take the Republican nomination from a large, but surprisingly quickly cleared, field of candidates. He was down by double-digit polling numbers going into election day, but halfway through the night, he almost miraculously won just the right number of states to win the electoral college. Hopes that he would moderate in office proved to be misplaced as he ended up making Richard Spencer his Chief of Staff, gave a pardon to Dylann Roof and otherwise illustrated clear white nationalism. It got to the point that even fellow Republicans began to call for his impeachment.

But that ended up not being what happened. What nobody in Washington had anticipated or prepared for was the fact that all of the occultist ritualism of Invictus was not mere strange religious belief, but the president was in fact actively communicating with dark occult forces-demons, Great Old Ones, embodiments of chaos, things of that nature. These forces longed to come to the mortal plane and make it theirs. Few realized the threat these forces posed-Invictus' closest allies were aware of this, as were Williamson's. From beyond the White House, Williamson sought to prevent Invictus from acquiring materials needed to conduct a ritual to summon Hell to Earth itself. However, these efforts failed and Invictus, on the summer solstice, carried out a ritual to open a gateway to the planes beyond our own. This unleashed the forces of Hell upon America.

However, Hell did not subsume the Earth as intended by the likes of Lucifer, Nyarlathotep and Slaanesh. Instead, a counterritual by Williamson interrupted the flow of demonic forces, enabling her to form an emergency government in the West Coast and New England. The armies of Heaven had also been aware of Invictus' plans and had formed a bulwark against him in much of the Bible Belt. Voodoo priests in Lousiana facilitated that state's secession and rise up against the new regime. Various factions aware of the existence of the supernatural and prepared to combat it via technological means also rose up across America.
Human Regents of Hell on Earth

Augustus Sol Invictus/Dylann Roof 2025-
As a reward for his opening the gateway, Invictus' 'friends on the other side' appointed him the Human Regent of the lands their armies seized. In this role, Invictus' job was to mediate disputes between infernal armies and provide a human face to convince humanity to surrender to Hell. Invictus has largely failed in this goal, for the fairly obvious reason that no humans actually like living under demonic rule. Invictus has only been able to attract support from far-right white nationalist groups who hate minorities so much they would sooner align with infernal forces than accept equality. Thanks to the presence of demonic forces, Invictus nevertheless controls the largest swath of land in the country, with his regime stretching from upstate New York to northern Virginia and from New Jersey to Wyoming. Invictus remains loyal to his demonic backers, but has taken to playing them off against each other to maintain a stronger grip on his territory.
Presidents of the Christian States of America
Brian Kemp/Tim Scott 2025-2027
Ron DeSantis/Dan Crenshaw 2027-

2027: Def. Brian Kemp/Tim Scott
The genesis of the Christian States of America came in April of 2025, when the Archangel Michael appeared to several governors of southern states simultaneously and warned them of Invictus' true nature. Initial debate over what to do about it was stopped by Michael's assertion the actual opening of the gateway by Invictus was a crucial part of God's plan to bring about the Last Judgement. At Heaven's urging, the various state leaders began accumulating weaponry and setting up wards against demons across their states. Thus, when Hell on Earth opened up, most of the South and Great Plains were spared. Several angelic armies would descend from Heaven to combat the forces of Hell alongside the Christian States' armed forces. However, the Christian States faces many obstacles. Heaven's interest in defeating Invictus increasingly is being perceived as akin to the US's interest in defeating North Vietnam-its importance is more broadly strategic than actual commitment. Additionally, the forces of Heaven initially insisted upon rigid rules for the Christian States, including strict Biblically-sanctioned morality codes and a refusal to align with heretics and heathens. However, such a view in increasingly seen as unrealistic and DeSantis won openly promising to work on a potential popular front against Invictus, to Heaven's chagrin. This has not materialized yet however, owing to the difficulty in reaching terms acceptable to other factions.
Cooperative Directors of the Affiliation of Free Commonwealths

Ron Paul/Justin Amash 2026-2029
Adam Kokesh/Karen Kwiatkowski 2029-

2028: Def. Justin Amash/Raul Labrador, Mark Sanford/Doug Ducey, Jared Polis/Maggie Hassan
Ron Paul had died in 2022 of natural causes, so it was a rather huge shock that the Congressman began showing up at the homes of various allies of his and the wider libertarian movement in late 2024. Paul (looking exactly as he had back in the late 1970's) was accompanied by a man named John Titor and warned of a coming impending apocalypse, but also promising that if handled in the right circumstances it would pave the way for the restoration of American liberty. With only minor coordination, libertarian groups formed into militia structures across America and when Invictus unleashed hell, men under the Gadsen flag were ready with weaponry at least 50 years ahead of anything modern armies had wielded. It took a full year before Paul formed a semi-united governmental structure in Helena, Montana and even then the resulting government was confederal and weak. Even now, amidst the ongoing struggle, the current Voluntaryist Adam Kokesh won pledging to ultimately shut down the Affiliation's government, only winning due to possessing military experience. Their technology edge has enabled the Affiliation to take over Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Colorado, Alaska, and parts of Arizona, New Mexico and New Hampshire, but disputes within the Affiliation over ideological principles (such as immigration, abortion and whether to align with statists against the forces of Hell) continue to weaken it.
Executive Governors of the United American Technocracy

Andrew Yang/Elon Musk 2025-2028 (Killed in office)
Elon Musk/Tulsi Gabbard 2028-

Yang had been among the allies of Williamson seeking to avoid Invictus causing Hell to be unleashed on Earth. However, over the course of his efforts to assist, Yang became disgusted by the very existence of supernatural forces and believed that they would need to be eliminated to prevent something like this from ever occurring again. Thus, even as he sought to help avert Armageddon, Yang plotted with several other Williamson allies, along with personal supporters, for an alternative plan. Yang had been tasked by Williamson with securing control of New York against Invictus. However, Yang, after seizing as much of the state as he could with a force of robots, declared the formation of the United American Technocracy instead of support for Williamson. US loyalists were forced out of the state and Yang additionally gained control of Hawaii thanks to the support of Hawaii Governor Tulsi Gabbard. Silicon Valley also became a UAT hub of support and intermittent fighting in the region bogged down California's National Guard for years. UAT-supporting guerillas also took control of large swaths of the Midwest, though these pockets of rebels ultimately fell to the legions of Hell by 2028. Yang himself would ultimately be killed during an aerial battle between the UAT's drones, the United States Air Force and several aerial-based demons, leaving Elon Musk in charge of the UAT. While Yang, in the later portion of his rule, had begun reevaluating his agenda and sought to negotiate with Williamson for reunion, Musk has returned to a hostile position to almost all factions in North America, even as the forces of Hell on the frontier of the UAT increasingly grow in strength.
Presidents of the Louisianan Republic

Mary Landrieu/John Bel Edwards 2025-
Louisiana Governor Mary Landrieu rejected the apocalyptic occultism of Invictus, but also the near-theocratic leanings of most southern states. Instead, Landrieu would lead Louisiana into secession. Why she chose secession over support for Williamson can be attributed to a simple fact: the influence of voodoo practitioners. Few Americans realized quite a few Louisianan political figures were allied with various voodoo priests and sorcerors operating in the state and by this time often owed them a number of favors. As certain voodoo arts were considered black magic by Williamson, she was despised by these figures. Meanwhile, the voodoo practitioners had no desire to unleash the apocalypse and nor were they loyal to the Abrahamic God. Thus, secession was pushed by these figures, whom also helped defend the state against all comers with armies of the resurrected dead. Zombies roaming in Louisiana is not as bad for the living as one might expect, as they are docile towards all they are not directed to attack. Still, most residents are uncomfortable with the new status quo.
Presidents of the Republic of Deseret
Mitt Romney/Mia Love 2025-

2026: Def. Mike Lee/Jason Chaffetz
Mormonism is considered a false doctrine by the Christian States, so Utah had to secede. They don't really do much beyond occasionally shoot at the Legions of Hell as they approach and fight skirmishes with the Affiliation of Free States and United States.
 
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