List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Gog (♀)]

God Bless Our New Founding Fathers: Redux

2001-2001: George W. Bush/Richard Cheney (Republican)
def. 2000, Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (Democratic)
2001-2001: Richard Cheney/Vacant (Republican)
2002-2009: Richard Cheney/Paul Wolfowitz (Republican)
def. 2004, Howard Dean/Tom Harkin (Democratic), Lincoln Chaffee/Gary Johnson (Independent Republican-Libertarian)
2009-2014: Paul Wolfowitz/Lindsey Graham (National Union) [Endorsed by War Democrats]
def. 2008, Dennis Kucinich/Jesse Jackson Jr. (Peace Democratic), Ron Paul/Jimmy Duncan (Liberty); 2012, Rand Paul/John McAfee (Founding Fathers-Peace Democratic)
2014-2014: Interregnum
2014-2025: John McAfee/Peter Thiel (New Founding Fathers)
def. 2016, 2020, Scattered Opposition
2025-2033: Peter Thiel/Augustus Invictus (New Founding Fathers)
def. 2024, Kanye West/Bill Kristol (Opposition); 2028, Scattered Opposition
2033-2041: Augustus Invictus/Richard Spencer (New Founding Fathers)
def. 2032, Unopposed; 2036 Scattred Opposition
2041-0000: Charlie Roan/George P. Bush (Independent)
def. 2040, Eldridge Owens/Jon Burrows (New Founding Fathers)


In the wake of 9/11, which was far more deadly than our 9/11 and claimed the lives of many more including President Bush, Dick Cheney became President and over a period of years consolidate the organs of government behind him. The U.S. would enter the Afghan, Iraqi, Iranian, and Korean wars which would put a serious strain on the finances and stability of the country. Overall, two hundred thousand Americans died in the Middle East alone and another 50,000 in the great conflagration in Korea. The deployment of most national guard units and many people who would become policemen gave rise to a security shortage at home that allowed crime to escalate far further than any time in American history. Eventually, a new movement arose out of the angry and discontented people, supposedly based on old principles and new ideas to make the country safe again. After the New Founding Fathers became a millitant group, President Wolfowitz ordered their destruction. This would result in a bloody conflict that would last two years and result in the end of modern America. In its place, rose a new America, blessed by God and protected by its guardians. In order to end the massive crime epidemic and huge homeless population, President McAfee and Secretary of Security Bannon decided to enact the Annual Purge. The Purge would allow all crime to be legal for one day a year. The bloodbath was designed to be a extreme form of "Bread and Circuses," to feed the country's thirst with blood and keep the population from overthrowing the NFFA regime. Resistance by remnants of the old military and government institutions was crushed brutally, and the first Purge occurred. The Purge targeted the poor and homeless while empowering the middle and upper classes, keeping a sort of system that would keep the NFFA in power for 26 years, and leaving America an isolated pariah state until Senator Roan ended it in the election of 2040.

 

[Beata Beatrix]

Prime Minister Home's proposal for power-sharing in Rhodesia

Can I ask what this looks like?

 

[Cevolian]

1923-1925: Calvin Coolidge/none (Republican)
1925-1933: Albert B. Fall/Charles G. Dawes (Republican)
1924 def - John W. Davis/Charles W. Bryan (Democratic)
1928 def - Al Smith/Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic)
1933-1937: John Nance Garner/Huey Long (Democratic)
1932 def - Charles G. Dawes/Charles Curtis (Official Republican), Herbert Hoover/Wendell Wilkie (National League Against Corruption)
1937-1940: Wendell Wilkie/Robert La Follette ("Progressive" Republicans)
1936 def - Huey Long/Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic), John Nance Garner/Scattered ("Conservative" Democrats), Prescott Bush/Scattered ("National" Republicans)
1940 def - Charles Lindbergh/Prescott Bush (America First), Henry Wallace/none ("Official" Democratic), Upton Sinclair/Various (Independent - EPIA), John H. Bankhead III/Harry Truman (Southern Democratic)
1940-1943: contested, see below

ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA;

1940-1941: Charles Lindbergh (America First - Military Junta)
1941-1941: Prescott Bush (National Republican - Military Junta)
1941-1943: Douglas MacArthur/Henry Ford/Prescott Bush (Military Junta)

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (NEW YORK);

1940-1941: Wendell Wilkie/Robert La Follette (Progressive Republican)
1941-1943: Upton Sinclair/Norman Thomas (Independent/American Labor)
1940 def - Robert La Follette/Franklin Roosevelt (Progressive/Northern Democratic)

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (RICHMOND);

1940-1941: John H. Bankhead III/Harry Truman (Southern Democratic) ​

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (2nd Republic - 1943-Pres.)

1943-1945: Upton Sinclair/Norman Thomas (Independent/American Labor)
1945-1949: Norman Thomas/Henry Wallace (Popular Front - American Labor/"Left" Democrats/Progressive)
1945 def - Herbert Hoover/Robert Taft (Republican), Harry Truman/Strom Thurmond (Conservative Democratic)
1949-1953: Henry Wallace/Earl Browder (Democratic Labor)
1948 def - Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren (Progressive), Robert Taft/Scattered (Republican), Harry Truman/Ronald Reagan (Conservative)
1953-1957: David Eisenhower/Harold Stasen (Constitutional Alliance - Progressive/Republican)
1952 def - Earl Browder/A. Philip Randolph (Democratic Labor), Fielding Wright/George Wallace (Conservative)
1957-1969: Alger Hiss/Joe Kennedy Jr. (Democratic Labor)
1956 def - Dwight Eisenhower/Dick Nixon (Progressive Republican), Harold Stasen/Strom Thurmond (Conservative Alliance)
1960 def - Hubert Humphrey/George Smathers [arrested on suspicion of fascist sympathies] (2nd Constitutional Alliance - Progressive Republican/Conservative)
1964 def - No Effective Opposition
1969-1972: Earl Browder/Lyndon LaRouche (Democratic Labor)
1972-1973:
1973-1981: Lyndon LaRouche/Henry M. Jackson (Democratic Labor)
1981-0000: Noam Chomsky/Medgar Evers (Liberty Union - Free Socialist Alliance/Liberty Alliance/NAACP/Reformed Labor)
1980 def - Lyndon LaRouche/Henry M. Jackson (Democratic Labor)

(Big WiP)

 

[Octosteel]

What do you think John Nance Garner would say if he saw that the only reason people mention his name is to set him as the cause for the destruction of the United States or to lose to a Republican in 1936?

 

[Cevolian]

What do you think John Nance Garner would say if he saw that the only reason people mention his name is to set him as the cause for the destruction of the United States or to lose to a Republican in 1936?

Garner isn't the reason for the destruction of the USA, he's just a mannfollowing conventional economic policies... unfortunately that's not good enough in a world where the President is convicted of bribery mid way through the depression...

 

[Octosteel]

Garner isn't the reason for the destruction of the USA, he's just a mannfollowing conventional economic policies... unfortunately that's not good enough in a world where the President is convicted of bribery mid way through the depression...

So they elect the party of the guy who was convicted of bribery midway through the Depression after Garner doesn't solve everything?

 

[Cevolian]

So they elect the party of the guy who was convicted of bribery midway through the Depression after Garner doesn't solve everything?

Sort of, but the list pretty clearly shows that Wilkie is part of the anti Fall camp - and it's not that Garner doesn't solve everything but that he solves nothing at all...

 

[Wallet]

37. Hubert H. Humphrey (1969-1977)
38. Ronald W. Reagan (1977-1981)
39. Robert F. Kennedy (1981-1989)
40. Gary W. Hart (1989-1993)
41. Bob Dole (1993-1997)
42. Richard Cheney (1997-2005)
43. Howard Deen (2005-2009)
44. Tim Pawlenty (2009-2017)
45. Mark Cuban (2017-)

 

[Aaaaasima]

37. Hubert H. Humphrey (1969-1977)
38. Ronald W. Reagan (1977-1981)
39. Robert F. Kennedy (1981-1989)
40. Gary W. Hart (1989-1993)
41. Bob Dole (1993-1997)
42. Richard Cheney (1997-2005)
43. Howard Deen (2005-2009)
44. Tim Pawlenty (2009-2017)
45. Mark Cuban (2017-)

No offense, but this is unoriginal. Also, you didn't put the defeated tickets.

To find some original people, just go on the List of Governors of X, List of United States Senators from X, and List of United States Representatives from X articles on wikipedia. And go on the Hipster presidents threads.

 

[Kibbutznik]

1953-1957:Malenkov-Molotov-Zhukov troika (Succeeded Stalin)
1957-1964: Georgi Malenkov (Molotov's opposition to economic reforms forced Malenkov to sideline him, whilst Zhukov gracefully bowed out due to a lack of interest in being involved in the government)
1964-1969: Leonid Brezhnev (Malenkov's perceived weakness and accessions during the Warsaw Wall Crisis, the worrying rapidity of his reforms, and his inability to restrain Israel and Kurdistan from participating in the Great Middle Eastern War, convinced the Party that a change in leadership was required)
1969-1970: Arvids Pelse (Replaced Brezhnev after the mans unfortunate heart attack, which occurred earlier than OTL due to the stresses of the Great Middle Eastern War)
1970-1975: Alexei Kosygin (Took control of USSR after an assassination attempt on Pelse succeeded, was mostly focused on domestic and economic reforms, sought detente)
1975-1984: Yuri Andropov (Stepped in once Kosygin retired, promoted anti-corruption measures and opened new diplomatic cooperation with the Republic of China)
1984-1991: Alexander Lukashenko (Andropov's protege who unexpectedly gained leadership after the death of his teacher, secured the existence of the PRC after Nanjing's aggression, allowed multiparty elections on municipal level, forced the All-Union Membership Referendum of 1991, after which he resigned under threat of forceful removal)
1991-present: Boris Nemtsov (Current Soviet Premier, created the program of "Simplifikatsiya" during which the Soviet government was simplified into clear organs of power and the entire nation was centralized, allowed the bombardment of Sarajevo)

List of Soviet leaders from the death of Joseph Stalin until the culmination of the Bosnian War.

 

[fashbasher]

Joining in the fun, here are the stock parodies of each of the below (the official language is a form of Kreyol, the most spoken language originating in the New World, but everyone in politics is fluent in broken English):

Commonwealth: King Errol IV "Hae six kids fa Inglin!" | PM Rosaline Torres "Ladies and gentlemen, as the first Latina, Puerto Rican, American, Floridian, and grey-haired Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Nations, I am honored to open the most diverse Parliament in our history!"

Pacific Union: President Misty Gutierrez "Ang ka Pacifican ambassador wa nang la meeting?" *further imitations of Tagalog* | PM Edmund Kim "What is this 'law' you keep talking about? Can a man not earn a decent sum for himself anymore?"

Pax Pacifica: President Yasuri Yamileth Nicastro "Silencio, mon amour." | PM Elvis Zhang Zuo-xiong "We! Will! Retake! Beijing! And! Reunify Japan! As Soon As! We Have! The Votes! To Enter! Negotiations! With! The! Pacificunion!"

The Lowlands: Queen Beatrix II "You, my friend, are a boor" | PM DonCarlos Nicolas Glück "Can't you see I'm legislating???"

Progressive Latin Coalition / Federal Alliance of Revolutionary Communities: Collective presidency of Escarlet Cruz "PROGRESS!", Antonio Rossi "No speakie English, signior", and President Ronnie Székely "I don't understand a word of what you say, but I'll pretend to agree with you" | PM Ibrahim Mustafa Mariam "Not all of us Eritreans ride camels, my dearie."

Holy Federal Caliphates: Head (Hanafi) Caliph Michel-Desmond Khan "Eh, wa gwan abu whateva? Cyan ye come pon de masjid fa' salah?" | PM (Twelver Shiite) Caliph Mohammad Reza Mohammadpour "Allah blesses you for your patience"

Desi Union: President Emile "Ram" Madiga "You understand that we 'dalits' are in fact the traditional owners of India and that you are lucky we didn't kick you out when things went bad back in 2018?" | PM Vikram Tilak "Stupid fool. Sophistication means eating your roti with fork and knife."

Venezuela: President Caudillo Jesus Diego deJesus "I am Venezuela! We will once again have a coast! And by the way, can I have another arepa with that?" *ignored by everyone around him*

Gran Colombia: President Alain Florez "When I was a baby, we called that seducing a llama while wearing a bra!" | PM Maria Stroessner *clicks and whistles imitating Guaraní* "Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!" *crosses self*

Black Block: Collective presidency led by Vladimir Ortega Hechavarria "For the workers!" and Francisco Ncube "For us! Fuck the workers!"

Union de L'Ouest: President Kelvin Dorvil Jeanty *in suspiciously French accent* "Sacques passé nan brulee? I'm really Haitian, even though I have a Parisian accent, and even though I was actually born Yannick Kerjean in Bretagne." | PM Pierre Suassuna Timochenco *wildly gestures in the air while chanting* "Caralho my asso!"

United States: President Todd Martín "Ay, you make a very good point, but I'm not inclined to listen today." | VP Chloe Sirleaf *via phone* "Most definitely, we are absolutely positively not in any way connected to the historical entity that claimed to" *click*

 

[Wallet]

No offense, but this is unoriginal. Also, you didn't put the defeated tickets.

To find some original people, just go on the List of Governors of X, List of United States Senators from X, and List of United States Representatives from X articles on wikipedia. And go on the Hipster presidents threads.

How is this unoriginal? I came up with it myself

 

[Beata Beatrix]

How is this unoriginal? I came up with it myself

Also, you misspelled Howard Dean.

Put simply, practically every one of the figures who have listed there was either a nominee or someone who ran in the primaries. As such, it is not a very novel list.

 

[Uhura's Mazda]

Also, you misspelled Howard Dean.

Put simply, practically every one of the figures who have listed there was either a nominee or someone who ran in the primaries. As such, it is not a very novel list.

I mean, that certainly makes it plausible. We can't all be Uhura's Mumbolian, and neither should we.

However, if you're going down the uber-plausible route, correct spelling and copious footnotes are a bit of a must.

 

[Mumby]

the single worst analogue list

A Property-Owning Democracy, Part 1

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

1910-1919: H.H. Asquith (Liberal)
1910 (Majority) def. Arthur Balfour (Conservative and Liberal Unionist), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentary Party), Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1915 (National Government with 'National' Unionists, IPP and Labour) def. Arthur Balfour ('National' Unionist), Henry Page Croft ('True' Conservative), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentary Party), Arthur Henderson (Labour), Arthur Griffith (Sinn Fein)
1919-1924: Herbert Kitchener (Liberal)
1920 (Coalition with Unionists) def. Henry Page Croft (Conservative), Austen Chamberlain (Unionist), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), William Adamson (Labour)
1921 (Majority) def. Henry Page Croft (Conservative), vacant (Sinn Fein), J.R. Clynes (Labour)
1924-1934: Henry Page Croft (Conservative)
1924 (Minority with Labour confidence and supply) def. Herbert Kitchener (Liberal), J.R. Clynes (Labour), vacant (Sinn Fein)
1929 (Majority) def. Herbert Kitchener (Liberal), disputed (Labour), vacant (Sinn Fein)
1933 (Majority) def. Herbert Kitchener (Liberal), Oswald Mosley (New), John Maxton (Labour)
1934-1939: Henry Page Croft (National)
1938 (Majority) def. Sir Reginald Dorman-Smith ('Continuity' Conservative), David Lloyd George ('Continuity' Liberal), John Maxton (Labour), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1939-1948: Herbert Kitchener (National)
1943 (National Government with Labour and Continuity Liberals) def. Sir Reginald Dorman-Smith (Conservative), John Maxton (Labour), David Lloyd George (Continuity Liberal)
1948-1954: Sir Reginald Dorman-Smith (Conservative)
1948 (Coalition with British Union) def. Herbert Kitchener (National), Oswald Mosley (British Union), Ernest Bevin (Labour)
1953 (Majority) def. Robert Hudson, 1st Viscount Hudson (National), Ernest Bevin (Labour)
1954-1958: Archibald Maule Ramsay (Conservative)
1958 (Majority) def. Alec Douglas-Home, 14th Earl of Home (National), Megan Lloyd George (New Liberal)
1958-1960: Gerrard Wallop, 9th Earl of Portsmouth (Conservative)

 

[Cevolian]

South Africa maybe? I honestly have no clue

 

[Cevolian]

I mean, that certainly makes it plausible. We can't all be Uhura's Mumbolian, and neither should we.

However, if you're going down the uber-plausible route, correct spelling and copious footnotes are a bit of a must.

And just to add to this, at least in my lists and I personally think in yours and @Mumby 's the Hipster PMs are never imapluasibly Hipster - there are a lot of staples who were just a few steps away from high office already IOTL and just need circumstance to get them there. Having obscure, but actually still prominent, figures at the time accede to high office isn't the same as having someone no one even vaguely knows of in office (though I also enjoy those lists...)

 

[Gorrister]

South Africa maybe? I honestly have no clue

Zumccluskey.

 

[Mumby]

South Africa maybe? I honestly have no clue

yass cev yass

 

[Beata Beatrix]

Kitchener as Jan Smuts is actually very inspired.