List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Japhy]

What is this?

A tragedy

Oh the glory it could have been if it had Footnotes.

 

[Yes]

1989 - 1997: Joe Biden/Mickey Leland [3]
1988: def. Jim Thompson/Jack Kemp
1992: def. H. John Heinz III/Elizabeth Dole, Pat Buchanan/Larry McDonald
1997 - 2001: Mickey Leland/Tom Harkin [4]
1996: def. Pete Wilson/Bill Weld, Larry McDonald/Alan Keyes

SHUT. THE. FRONT. DOOR.

YOU HAVE MY SWORD, SIR. And if I wasn't complete crap at rolling for initiative that would mean something I also like your defeated parties too, Larry McDonald doesn't get enough love as a Pat Buchanan alternative/accessory, and Big Jim Thompson definitely doesn't end up on enough tickets and I like that you've got that ticket in that order rather than the more typical flip that would have Kemp/Thompson, intriguing. I'm assuming that Campbell's Alzheimer's just went south fast ITTL but will await footnotes -- like awaiting freaking Christmas -- to see what you came up with. It is deeply satisfying to see Pete Wilson actually clinch the GOP nomination and then lose to the best black President we never got to have.

 

[Inherit The Wind]

SHUT. THE. FRONT. DOOR.

YOU HAVE MY SWORD, SIR. And if I wasn't complete crap at rolling for initiative that would mean something I also like your defeated parties too, Larry McDonald doesn't get enough love as a Pat Buchanan alternative/accessory, and Big Jim Thompson definitely doesn't end up on enough tickets and I like that you've got that ticket in that order rather than the more typical flip that would have Kemp/Thompson, intriguing. I'm assuming that Campbell's Alzheimer's just went south fast ITTL but will await footnotes -- like awaiting freaking Christmas -- to see what you came up with. It is deeply satisfying to see Pete Wilson actually clinch the GOP nomination and then lose to the best black President we never got to have.

I'm glad you liked it! Hopefully I'll have them up by tomorrow.

 

[Yes]

I'm glad you liked it! Hopefully I'll have them up by tomorrow.

I look forward to it. It's a well thought out list, plausible but also interesting (and the two don't always intersect, not that either is bad by its lonesome.) Could make a nice TLIAWhatever, he says with a nudge...

ETA: I particularly like how you can actually see the ebb and flow of intra-party dynamics in the candidacies. The only thing I have like a misgiving anywhere is Sandoval getting the top spot in a party that still nominated Huckabee (you get bonus hipster points for Gwen Graham BTW. My father's best friend since they were toddlers helped bankroll her '14 campaign.)

 

[Miss Teri]

What is this?

 

[Youngmarshall]

What is this?

It's a list of Prime Ministers that acts as a sequel to my earlier post beginning with a longer rule by Lord North, TB.

It's meant as a loose parallel to the 'speakers of the us house of representatives', that's where the dates come from. I thought it was interesting the way it went from lots of very short terms in the 18th and 19th centuries to much longer terms in the 20th century and wanted to write something where british politics did the same.

I also wanted to do a thing about the big tent approach to politics and how it meant you could have parties which stood for very different things at different points in time.

 

[Mumby]

War Plan Red

8_Pink_Empire

A_Caribbean

The Bahamas

1934-1941: Sir Bede Clifford (British Imperial Rule)
1941-1945: George S. Patton (US Military Occupation)
1945: Crown Colony of the Bahamas dissolved, annexed to US Commonwealth of the West Indies

Barbados

1938-1942: Sir Eubule J. Waddington (British Imperial Rule)
1942-1945: George S. Patton (US Military Occupation)
1945: Crown Colony of Barbados dissolved, annexed to US Commonwealth of the West Indies

British Guyana

1935-1942: Sir Geoffry Northcote (British Imperial Rule)
1942-1945: George S. Patton (US Military Occupation)
1945: Crown Colony of British Guyana dissolved, annexed to US Commonwealth of the West Indies

British Honduras

1934-1941: Sir Alan Burns (British Imperial Rule)
1941-1945: George S. Patton (US Military Occupation)
1945: Crown Colony of British Honduras dissolved, annexed to US Commonwealth of the West Indies

Jamaica

1938-1942: Sir Arthur Richards (British Imperial Rule)
1942-1945: George S. Patton (US Military Occupation)
1945: Crown Colony of Jamaica dissolved, annexed to US Commonwealth of the West Indies

Trinidad and Tobago

1938-1942: Sir Hubert Winthrop Young (British Imperial Rule)
1942-1945: George S. Patton (US Military Occupation)
1945: Crown Colony of Trinidad and Tobago dissolved, annexed to US Commonwealth of the West Indies

British Windward Islands

1937-1942: Sir Henry Bradshaw Popham (British Imperial Rule)
1942-1945: George S. Patton (US Military Occupation)
1945: Crown Colony of the British Windward Islands dissolved, annexed to US Commonwealth of the West Indies

British Leeward Islands

1936-1942: Sir Gordon James Lethem (British Imperial Rule)
1942-1945: George S. Patton (US Military Occupation)
1945: Crown Colony of the British Leeward Islands dissolved, annexed to US Commonwealth of the West Indies[/QUOTE]

[INSERT EXPLANATION HERE]

1_Red_Great_Britain
2_Crimson_Canada_and_Newfoundland
3_Orange_Japan
4_Ruby_India
5_Scarlet_Australia
6_Garnet_New_Zealand
7_Emerald_Ireland

 

[PachPachis]

2000-2008: James Edgar/Alan Simpson (Republican)
The last "normal" presidency, honestly - despite having to deal with an alien spaceship crashing in Florida in 1999.
2000: Bill Bradley/Al Gore (Democratic)
2004: Hillary Clinton/Cordozar Calvin Broadus, Jr. (Democratic)
2008-2011: Raymond Milkovitch*/Saul Stevens (Independent)
Turns out the whole "aliens existing" thing lead to Scientologists taking over Germany, the Chinese Communists falling from power - look, it was this whole thing, okay? Long story short, both the Republican and Democratic parties were too splintered to field candidates for a while and Milkovitch, an Independent, won in a landslide. Twice.
2011-2012: Saul Stevens/Howard Sedgefield (Independent)
Crazy dude shot Milkovitch. Stevens proved incredibly incompetent.
2012-2020: Darryl F. Gates/Rush Limbaugh (Plutocratic)
IT'S HERE BOYS AND GIRLS - The Reform Party had by now become the Plutocratic Party, believing whatever's good for the rich is good for all Americans.
2016: Elizabeth Warren/Bill O'Reilly (Republicratic)
The GOP and Dems got their act together at least somewhat and are now, together, the unofficial official opposition to the Plutocrats, offering such radical proposals as "Let's not let corporations control sovereign territory and tax them a little"
2020:- Charles K. Foster/Robert P. Brooks (Plutocratic)
2020: John F. Kennedy/Cory Booker (Republicratic), Bing MacDonald/Cro Cannibo (National Anti-Socialist)
They figured out how to revive the dead in 2018, but the Republicrats nominating JFK himself still wasn't enough to win. The National Anti-Socialists are a far-right anti-communist movement that hates National Socialism because it's socialism but loves Fascism because Fascism hates Communism. They have seats in Congress. Yeah.
*Died while in office.

Revised my Underground list with more background.

 

[Miss Teri]

List of Secretaries of Space Exploration, Research, and Advancement

1965 - 1967: First Secretary of SERA James E. Webb (D-NC) [1]
President(s): John F. Kennedy (D-MA)
1967-1971: Second Secretary of SERA Robert C. Seamans (D-MA) [2]
President(s): John F. Kennedy (D-MA)
1971-1979: Third Secretary of SERA Alan M. Lovelace (I-FL) [3]
President(s): John F. Kennedy (D-MA), Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN), George Romney (R-MI)
1979-1985: Fourth Secretary of SERA William Robert Graham (R-TX) [4]
President(s): George Romney (R-MI)
1985-1989: Fifth Secretary of SERA John H. Glenn (D-OH) [5]
President(s): Michael Dukakis (D-MA)
1989-1994: Sixth Secretary of SERA Dale D. Myers (I-MO) [6]
President(s): Jack Kemp (R-NY), Jerry Brown (D-CA)
1994-1996: Seventh Secretary of SERA Carl Sagan (D-WA) [7]
President(s): Jerry Brown (D-CA)
1996-2001: Eighth Secretary of SERA Dale D. Myers (I-MO) [8]
President(s): Jerry Brown (D-CA)
2001-2005: Ninth Secretary of SERA Daniel R. Mulville (R-DC) [9]
President(s): John McCain (R-AZ)
2005-2011: Tenth Secretary of SERA Charles Bolden (D-SC) [10]
President(s): Howard Dean (D-VT)
2011-2013: Eleventh Secretary of SERA Frederick D. Gregory (I-DC) [11]
President(s): Howard Dean (D-VT)
2013-2015: Twelfth Secretary of SERA Michael D. Griffin (R-MD) [12]
President(s): Chris Christie (R-NJ)
2015-2017: Thirteenth Secretary of SERA Rob Strain (I-MD) [13]
President(s): Chris Christie (R-NJ)
2017-present: Fourteenth Secretary of SERA Tom Mueller (D-ID) [14]
President(s): Joe Biden (D-DE)

Spoiler

[1] "A centralized department dedicated to the exploration of our final frontier is a necessity to bring us into the next half of the century. This will lead us to victory in this space race. In one year, Apollo Nine will make a dedicated attempt to land on the moon, and we need a system to expand our horizons. In this decade, we must land on the Moon, and in this century, we must move forward exponentially to eventually land on other planets."
- President John F. Kennedy, on the Department of SERA, 1965

[2] "I promise to help further the space program in any way I can."
- Secretary Robert C. Seamans, speaking on the space program, 1967

[3] "We will lead our nation to the next step in American history, the step forward into the great black beyond, the space age. Tomorrow our children will marvel at how far we have advanced since that day. The Skylab will soon orbit the Earth."
- President Kennedy, in his farewell speech, 1971

[4] "Today, we go forward. We go forward to a place we will have never seen to this degree. Today, we study the effects of gravity upon the human body. Today, fifteen years since we first stepped upon the moon, we now live upon it. The Lunar Universal Native Atmosphere Base has been finished, and now we walk upon the moon once more."
- President George Romney, on the LUNA Base's opening, 1982

[5] "John Glenn is an, uh, exemplary choice for the Department of SERA. His experience in space and in government will lead this department into new heights."
- President Michael Dukakis, on the nomination of Senator John Glenn, 1985

[6] "Within the decade, we will walk on Mars."
- President Jack Kemp, at a rally for space exploration, 1989

[7] "Doctor Sagan will lead us to a new decade in space exploration. We will have a mission to Mars. We will build a solar array in space. We will move forward in our great universe."
- President Jerry Brown, in the nomination process for Carl Sagan, 1994

[8] "Forward."
- Astronaut Kevin Kregel, walking on Mars, 1997

[9] "Now that we have landed on Mars, we cannot rest on our laurels. Soon, we will land on other celestial objects, Deimos, Phobos, and soon even the asteroid belt and Venus."
- Secretary Daniel R. Mulville, on whether or not the Department of SERA should be made defunct, 2002

[10] "I select Mr. Bolden to lead us to a new century of the Department of SERA."
- President Howard Dean, on his nomination for the Department of SERA, 2005

[11] "Gregory has hands-on experience with space exploration, and following the unfortunate circumstances of Mister Bolden's resignation, Fred Gregory will serve admirably. The new budget will adequately keep the space program we now have in good repair."
- President Dean, on his new nomination for the Department of SERA, 2011

[12] "The Venus program will progress to a point we will barely comprehend. A floating station can be accomplished with the technology we currently have, we simply need the funding."
- Secretary Griffin, on the exploration of Venus, 2014

[13] "The Skylab B requires major repairs, and we require more funding to get that accomplished. A major budget overhaul is necessary."
- Secretary Strain, asking for more funding, 2016

[14] "We will fund Skylab B, we will fund the Venus program, and the Sagan Array will be put to its intended size. SERA is grossly underfunded, and we need to continue the great programs which put a person in orbit, a person on the moon, and a person on Mars."
- President Biden, pushing for more space funding, 2017

Superb.

 

[jack_donaghy_is_the_shado]

It can happen over there, but surely not here?

1953-1958 Dwight D Eisenhower (R-NY)/ Richard M Nixon (R-CA) (1)
1958-1958 John F Dulles (R-NY) (2)
1958-1961 Richard Nixon (R-NY)/ John F Kennedy (D-MA) (3)
1961-1962 Earl K Long (D-LA) (4)
1962-1965 James Roosevelt (D-CA)/ Robert B Anderson (D-TX)
1965-1969 John Lindsay (R-NY)/ Winthrop Rockefeller (R-AR)
1969-1977 Orson Welles (D-WI)/Abraham Ribicoff (D-CT)
1977-1985 Shirley Chisholm (D-NY)/ Elmo Zumwhalt (D-VA)
1985-1991 Richard Nixon (R-CA) (5)
1991-1997 Joseph R Biden (R-DE)/ Elizabeth Warren (R-MA)
1997-2001 Bernard Sanders (D-VT)/ Lawton Chiles (D-FL)
2001-2005 Mitt Romney (R-MI)/ Salvatore P Bono (R-CA)
2005-2013 Harold Ford (D-TN)/ Keith Ellison (D-MN)
2013-present Nimrata Haley (R-SC)/ Jon Hunstman Jr (R-UT)

1) Even though there had been multiple confirmed kaiju attacks in the pacific, and of course in limited spots through out the western part of the country, it seem no one considered that a Godzilla could land in America's capital...
2) With President Eisenhower dead, VP Nixon and most of Congress missing, SoS Dulles took it upon himself to deploy a nuclear weapon against Godzilla outside Centralia, Pennsylvania, however to his chagrin, the kaiju still lived.
3) Found alive with a broken leg, Nixon relieved and arrested Dulles before Operation Terrible Lizard commenced. With the threat over(?), Nixon asked a quorum of Congress to approve his old friend Jack Kennedy as the Vice President. Kennedy, whose health would start going down hill after the attack, would not run against his boss in the next election.
4) Few know what happened at the new capital in Columbus, Ohio the day when President Long died. Some say he died of a heart attack, others says he was shot by his jealous wife, and the rumors of him secretly passing while in an aslyum due to his desire to use "the bomb" to kaiju in Japan, Britain, and Denmark and the refusal of the VP and cabinet to do so...we may never know.
5) Reluctantly drafted to run against Democrats James Hendrix and James Carter, Nixon would get to serve out his first term peacefully. However, the second started with a bang involving neo-nazis, cyborgs, and kaiju...more (*expletive deleted) kaiju. After they, Noriega, Gaddafi, and Saddam were taken care of, President Nixon suffered a stroke and resigned after he had been notified of another kaiju appearance. "WHAT?!!? Another #$%!ing giant ass monster!! They always #$&% things up for Nixon!!!"

 

[Steve Brinson]

Quam Quisque Novit Artem

Premiers of the North American Union

1939-1945: Smedley Butler (Emergency)
1945-1955: Ronald Reagan (Alliance-Entertainment)
1955-1970: Thomas J. Watson Jr. (Alliance-Technology)
1970-1975: William G. Meany (Alliance-Infrastructure)
1970-1985: Herb Schwarzkopf Jr. (Alliance-Military)
1985-1990: Anne Gorsuch (Alliance-Legal)
1990-1993: Dick Jones (Alliance-Transportation)
1993-1994: Ricardo Sanchez (Alliance-Military)
1994-1995: John Silber (Alliance-Academia)
1995-2000: Hank Perot (Opposition-Technology)
2000-2005: Mary Makela (Alliance-Manufacturing)
2005-2010: Dave Schweitzer (Independent-Agriculture)
2010-2015: Alphonso Johnson (Alliance-Administrative)
2015-????: Edward Cruz (Alliance-Legal)
Is the fact that half my stuff is about Establishment vs. Outsiders something I should work on? ...Nah.
"Citizens! The government in Washington has failed you! Technocracy offers you a way forward."
"Our crisis of leadership is over. It's morning in America again."
"It is time to bring the brainpower of our nation and the brunt of her resources to the problems of today."
"The deaths of Commissioners Reuther and Silkwood were tragic accidents, and the IDI will be launching a full investigation."
"I ordered the Army to use lethal force against hostile rebels if necessary. I'd do it again in a heartbeat."
"These allegations of wrongdoing by the Reconstruction Governments are totally unfounded."
"We're at war again, and like before, I can promise the American people-"
"They killed the Premier. They will pay, if you let me make them pay."
"Let us have peace again. Let us have freedom again."
"You - the American people - elected me to the Premiership. Now, I need your help to clean out the barn and let that triumph of democracy mean something."
"I agree with Mr. Perot that we need new leadership in this country. But I think he's proven that he's not the new leadership we need."
"We can walk together without walking in lockstep."
"...You expect me to give money to companies that'll just turn around and give money to our opponents? That doesn't make logical sense."
"Let us go forth with the laws of man and the word of God."

 

[PachPachis]

Don't You Know You Shouldn't Pick Wallace in an Alternate History, FDR?

1944-1945: Franklin Delano Roosevelt*/Henry Wallace (Democratic)
1944 def. Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker (Republican)
1945-1948: Henry Wallace/Cordell Hull (Democratic)
1948 def. Robert A. Taft/Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican)
1948-1965: Henry Wallace*/Herbert Hoover (Democratic - New-Dealist Dictatorship) [1]
1965-1966: Herbert Hoover (1965), Allan Hoover (1966)/Anna Rosenberg/Norman Thomas/Edward A. Teichert ("Council/Gang of Four" - Democratic - New-Dealist Dictatorship) [2]
1966: Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer (Transitional)
1967-1972: Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr./Margaret Chase Smith (Republican)
1967 def. Wallace White/Price Daniel (Democratic), Adlai Stevenson/Ronald Reagan (Progressive)
1972-1976: Hubert Humphrey/John Stevenson (Progressive) [3]
1972 def. Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr./Margaret Chase Smith (Republican)
* = Died while in office.

[1] Wallace's division of Japan with the Soviets proved to be the last straw for MacArthur, who attempted a coup d'etat against Wallace on grounds of being a Communist sympathizer in 1952. Though MacArthur's coup was repulsed, he would weather several more over the years. Wallace cancelled elections for that year in the face of the "continuing emergency" and presidential elections were not held again until after his death in 1965. He came to be called President for Life and made several other eccentric decisions during his rule, such as adding the faces of himself and FDR to Mt. Rushmore, and proclaiming the New Deal coalition to be a new political ideology called New-Dealism. Though congressional elections were still held, electoral meddling kept the Democrats in the majority and internal elections in the Democratic Party were not held during Wallace's later years.
[2] Upon Wallace's death, his vice president and most trusted cabinet members, the "Gang of Four,"attempted to seize control of the government. They unilaterally declared a new constitution replacing the President with an unelected Council whose members selected their own successors. Without Wallace, their control was already slipping, but the situation worsened when Herbert Hoover retired and selected his own son as his successor. This blatant display of nepotism proved to be the last straw and the Supreme Court rejected the new Constitution and exiled the Gang of Four from the country. The Supreme American Commander in Europe became interim leader while emergency elections were held. As the only viable opposition, the Republicans would have been hard-pressed not to win. This election also saw the surprisingly strong showing of the Democrat-alternative Progressive Party.
[3] Nevertheless, the Republicans rolled back the only popular policy of Wallace's, his economic policy. The Progressive Party, quickly eclipsing the fraying Democrats as the premier fiscally liberal party, would go on to win the next elections.

Quam Quisque Novit Artem

I like the idea of naming conventions for all political parties.

 

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Richard Nixon | Nelson Rockfeller
(1961-1969)

1960: John F. Kennedy | Lyndon B. Johnson
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson | Hubert Humphrey


Ronald Reagan | Howard Baker
(1969-1977)

1968: Robert F. Kennedy | Edmund Muskie
1972: Hubert Humphrey | Reubin Askew


Ted Kennedy | Frank Church
(1977-1985)

1976: Gerald Ford | John Connally
1980: George Bush | Donald Rumsfeld


Frank Church | Sam Nunn
(1985-1989)

1988: Bob Dole | Pat Robertson


Bob Dole | Lamar Alexander
(1989-1997)

1988: Frank Church | Sam Nunn
1992: Paul Tsongas | Bob Kerrey


John McCain | Jack Kemp
(1997-2005)

1996: Jerry Brown | Bill Bradley
2000: Bill Bradley | John Edwards


Howard Dean | Dick Gephardt
(2005-2013)

2004: George Pataki | Donald Trump
2008: Mitt Romney | Tim Pawlenty


Rick Santorum | Ted Cruz
(2013-2021)

2012: Mike Gravel | Joe Biden
2016: Martin O'Malley | Hillary Clinton
2016: Barack Obama | Bernie Sanders

Presidents of the United States of America
(First Republic; 1776-1906)

William Jennings Bryan / Thomas Watson
(1897-1899)
1896: William McKinley/Garret Hobart
Thomas Watson / VACANT
(1899-1901)
Thomas Watson / Wharton Baker
(1901-1905)
1900: Levi P. Morton/Charles W. Fairbanks, William Randolph Hearst/Alton B. Parker, Eugene Debs/Job Harriman
Theodore Roosevelt / William H. Taft
(1905-1906)
1904: Thomas Watson/Wharton Baker, Alton B. Parker/Nelson A. Miles, Eugene Debs/Benjamin Hanford
William H. Taft / VACANT
(1906-1906)


Presidents of the United States of America
(Second Republic; 1906-1961)

Eugene Debs / Upton Sinclair
(1906-1926)
Upton Sinclair / Norman Thomas
(1926-1941)
Norman Thomas / Darlington Hoopes
(1941-1961)


Presidents of the United States of America
(Third Republic; 1961-1994)

Richard Nixon / Donald Rumsfeld
(1961-1994)
1960: unopposed
1964: unopposed
1968: unopposed
1972: unopposed
1976: unopposed
1980: unopposed
1984: unopposed
1988: unopposed
1992: unopposed


Second American Civil War
(1994-1999)

Donald Rumsfeld (Washington Government)
Jesse Jackson (Chicago Government)
Bill Clinton (New York Government)


Presidents of the United States of America
(Fourth Republic; 1999-Present)

Bill Clinton | Bill Bradley
(1999-2005)
2000: Elizabeth Dole | George W. Bush, John McCain | Joe Lieberman, Ralph Nader | Al Gore
Colin Powell | Rudy Guiliani
(2005-2013)
2004: Bill Bradley | John Kerry, Ralph Nader | Al Gore, Ron Paul | Rick Santorum
2008: Howard Dean | Dick Gephardt, Ralph Nader | Al Gore, Mike Huckabee | Mitt Romney
Bernie Sanders | Elizabeth Warren
(2013-Present)
2012: Michael Bloomberg | Chuck Hagel, Donald Trump | Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton | Mark Warner
2016: Mark Cuban | Jim Gilmore, Rick Santorum | Evan McMullin, John Kerry | Martin O'Malley


Party Key:

Democratic (1828-1906)
Republican (1855-1906)
Populist (1891-1906)
Socialist (1896-1961; 1994-1999)
National Unity (1961-1999)
Liberal (1994-Present)
Conservative (1999-Present)
Moderate (2000-Present)
Social Democratic (2000-Present)

Crossposting

 

[Steve Brinson]

I like the idea of naming conventions for all political parties.

Thanks, but I'm not quite sure what you mean.

 

[PachPachis]

Thanks, but I'm not quite sure what you mean.

Well, they're not exactly normal political parties, but the naming convention of all platforms being "Alliance-____"

 

[Steve Brinson]

Well, they're not exactly normal political parties, but the naming convention of all platforms being "Alliance-____"

Well, that's largely because the Alliance Party is the dominant party in the NAU, and the National Legislature's electoral groups are occupationally-based. Perot was the candidate of the Opposition Alliance (and lost re-selection largely because it was divided between a few dozen warring factions), while Schweitzer was selected as a compromise.

 

[Japhy]

Crossposting

Please, dear God, don't do that.

 

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Please, dear God, don't do that.

Don't cross post?

 

[rpryor03]

It can happen over there, but surely not here?

More footnotes are needed, friend! Bernie in '97, and then two black men on a winning ticket in 2004?

 

[Aaaaasima]

Is a presidents list that does not have the butterfly effect OK?