List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Mumby]

Guns, Ghouls and Gangsters

Captains-Regent of the Kingdom of Odornesse (since the dawn of the century)

1098-1101: Alfred Dennison (Constitutionalist)
1098 def. Maxwell Mason (Loyalist)
1101-1108: Algernon Bryce II (Constitutionalist)
1103 def. Maxwell Mason (Loyalist)
1108-1113: Louis Chuckford (Constitutionalist)
1108 def. Samuel Peabody (Loyalist)
1113-1118: Algernon Bryce II (Independent / Progressive)
1113 def. Maxwell Mason (Loyalist), Louis Chuckford (Constitutionalist)
1118-1127: Joseph Milner (Loyalist)
1118 def. Silas Greene (Constitutionalist), Algernon Bryce II (Progressive)
1123 def. Bertram Butcher (Constitutionalist), Ernest Thomson (Progressive)
1127-1128: Marshal Evans (Loyalist)
1128-1132: Lionel Forrest (Constitutionalist)
1128 def. Marshal Evans (Loyalist)
1132-1138: Elijah Cameron (Constitutionalist)
1133 def. David Stirling (Loyalist), Paul Egan (Progressive)
1138-1143: Guy Garrison (Constitutionalist)
1138 def. Eric Smythe (Loyalist / Progressive --- Reform)
1143-1148: Algernon Bryce III (Reform)
1143 def. Guy Garrison (Constitutionalist)

The continent spanning empire of Odornesse emerged from isolation at the dawn of the 12th century, having mostly recovered from the bloody civil war of the mid-11th century in which the Kings of Odornesse were driven out and the Regency proclaimed. The Constitutionalists, the victors in the war, became the dominant party. Towards the end of the 11th century, the Constitutionalists became increasingly imperialist, seeking to establish Odornesse as a colonial Great Power alongside the more venerable powers of the Old World.

Algernon Bryce split the Constitutionalists, managing to win an unprecedented third term. He proclaimed a new Progressive Party and led Odornesse into the self-destructive World War. The Loyalists, who had quietly restored aristocratic noblesse oblige in their heartlands, whilst shedding the monarchism which had defined them in the Civil War managed to win their first term since the Civil War. The Loyalists governed in a more 'One Nation' fashion than the more aggressively capitalist Constitutionalists. Nevertheless, the Constitutionalists returned to government in 1128, a narrow victory attained thanks to Captain-Regent Evans suggesting that titles be granted to high-ranking officers.

The economic crisis of 1142 was not weathered well by the Constitutionalists and was not helped by the merger of the Progressives and the Loyalists to form the Reform Party.

 

[Cevolian]

THE QUIET DEATH OF TORY ENGLAND;
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1918-1922: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1918: (Leading National Government with Conservatives, National Democrats and National Independents)
1922-1931: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1922: (Minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply) def - Stanley Baldwin/Andrew Bonar Law (Independent Conservatives), Herbert Asquith (Liberal), Austen Chamberlain (National Government Coupon - Coalition Conservatives), David Lloyd George (National Government Coupon - Coalition Liberal)
1926: (Majority) def - Stanley Baldwin (National Unionist), Herbert Gladstone (Liberal), David Lloyd George (Centre)
1931-1936: John Simon (Liberal)
1931: (Coalition with Centre and "New" Unionist) def - Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), George Lane Fox (National Unionist), David Lloyd George (New Deal Coupon - Centre), Oswald Mosley (New Deal Coupon - "New" Unionist)
1936-1941: Ernest Bevin (Labour)
1936: (Majority) def - John Simon (Liberal + Liberal Centre), Hugh Cecil, 1st Baron Quickswood (National Unionist), Oswald Mosley (New Deal), Neville Chamberlain (Continuity Centre)
1941-1943: Ernest Bevin (Labour leading Wartime National Government with Liberals, National Unionists and New Democrats)
1943-1947: Isaac Foot (Liberal leading Wartime National Government with Labour, National Unionists and New Democrats)
1947-1953: Isaac Foot (Liberal)
1947: (Minority with New Democratic Confidence and Supply) def - Harold Nicolson (Labour), Leo Amery (National Unionist), Herbert Morison (New Democratic)
1951: (Majority) def - Hugh Dalton (Labour), Waldron Smithers (National Unionist), Harold Macmillan (Coninuity New Democratic)
1953-1956: William Douglas-Home (Liberal Majority)
1956-1956: Malcolm MacDonald (Labour)
1956: (Majority) def - William Douglas-Home (Liberal), A.K. Chesterton (National Unionist)
1956-0000: Frank Markham (Labour Majority)

 

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THE QUIET DEATH OF TORY ENGLAND;
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1918-1922: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1918: (Leading National Government with Conservatives, National Democrats and National Independents)
1922-1931: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1922: (Minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply) def - Stanley Baldwin/Andrew Bonar Law (Independent Conservatives), Herbert Asquith (Liberal), Austen Chamberlain (National Government Coupon - Coalition Conservatives), David Lloyd George (National Government Coupon - Coalition Liberal)
1926: (Majority) def - Stanley Baldwin (National Unionist), Herbert Gladstone (Liberal), David Lloyd George (Centre)
1931-1936: John Simon (Liberal)
1931: (Coalition with Centre and "New" Unionist) def - Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), George Lane Fox (National Unionist), David Lloyd George (New Deal Coupon - Centre), Oswald Mosley (New Deal Coupon - "New" Unionist)
1936-1941: Ernest Bevin (Labour)
1936: (Majority) def - John Simon (Liberal), Hugh Cecil, 1st Baron Quickswood (National Unionist), Oswald Mosley (New Deal), Neville Chamberlain (Continuity Centre)
1941-1943: Ernest Bevin (Labour leading Wartime National Government with Liberals, National Unionists and New Democrats)
1943-1947: Isaac Foot (Liberal leading Wartime National Government with Labour, National Unionists and New Democrats)
1947-1953: Isaac Foot (Liberal)
1947: (Minority with New Democratic Confidence and Supply) def - Harold Nicolson (Labour), Leo Amery (National Unionist), Herbert Morison (New Democratic)
1951: (Majority) def - Hugh Dalton (Labour), Waldron Smithers (National Unionist), Harold Macmillan (Coninuity New Democratic)
1953-1956: William Douglas-Home (Liberal Majority)
1956-1956: Malcolm MacDonald (Labour)
1956: (Majority) def - William Douglas-Home (Liberal), A.K. Chesterton (National Unionist)
1956-0000: Frank Markham (Labour Majority)

Very interesting. So did the Gwilyms and Boothbys and Macs (oh my) go and colonize (sorry, "colonise") the Liberals in pursuit of Our Harold's elusive "Centre Party"? That would probably bring enough seats for someone like Simon to operate for a time if the Tories endured a split over the Coalition. And did Ernie launch Operation Vegetarian? Because 'e 'ates the Germans, 'e can't 'elp it, 'e just 'ates 'em....

Also I would think that, in the succession battle after Bevin's health fails, this would be an opportunity for Labour to remain leftwards ideologically what with the Liberals claiming a big fat middle and the right splintered (though I did note and like that "Herbert Morrison (New Democratic)" easter egg and see Harold himself fell out with the whole thing eventually. Damn those must have been some messed up Parliaments in terms of seat count....

 

[Gonzo]

A.K. Chesterton (National Unionist)

I prefer Gilbert personally.

 

[Cevolian]

Very interesting. So did the Gwilyms and Boothbys and Macs (oh my) go and colonize (sorry, "colonise") the Liberals in pursuit of Our Harold's elusive "Centre Party"? That would probably bring enough seats for someone like Simon to operate for a time if the Tories endured a split over the Coalition. And did Ernie launch Operation Vegetarian? Because 'e 'ates the Germans, 'e can't 'elp it, 'e just 'ates 'em....

Also I would think that, in the succession battle after Bevin's health fails, this would be an opportunity for Labour to remain leftwards ideologically what with the Liberals claiming a big fat middle and the right splintered (though I did note and like that "Herbert Morrison (New Democratic)" easter egg and see Harold himself fell out with the whole thing eventually. Damn those must have been some messed up Parliaments in terms of seat count....

Yes the sort of centrist Tories eventually make the ideological drift over to the Liberals (either directly as the National Unionists drift off into the reactionary sunset or via the New Democrats). The vote split allows the Liberals to remain as the last "establishment" party sort of standing, and by the 1950s occupy much of the centre and right in British politics. Morrison thinks he can split away to lead a new centrist force in Britn but this eventually falls flat and gets subsumed, with only supermac staying in before he himself loses his seat and gets bumped up to the Lords.

Ernie isn't dead when he goes, but he cocks up an alternate Operation Vegetarian and Britain ends up fighting a Nazi faction that couped the monarchist German government in Eastern Germany for a few more years losing thousands mostly to anthrax poisoning. The Liberals take over after the cock up.

Labour isn't exactly super left wing, it's more National Labour in ethos in a lot of ways, although it is to the left of where Labour is IOTL however slightly and more socially conservative to go against the socially reformist Liberals.

 

[Cevolian]

I prefer Gilbert personally.

You're getting a list with Hitchens soon and possibly a mini TL so shush you.

 

[Gonzo]

You're getting a list with Hitchens soon and possibly a mini TL so shush you.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

If you could have Hitchens be possessed by G.K. Chesterton and Hillaire Belloc - that'd be nice.

Though in relation to your original list, I take it that A.K. Chesterton isn't as bad as he was OTL, though a party with him and Waldon Smithers in its seems likely to peddle the Judeo Bolshevism card.

 

[Mumby]

THE QUIET DEATH OF TORY ENGLAND;
​

1918-1922: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1918: (Leading National Government with Conservatives, National Democrats and National Independents)
1922-1931: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1922: (Minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply) def - Stanley Baldwin/Andrew Bonar Law (Independent Conservatives), Herbert Asquith (Liberal), Austen Chamberlain (National Government Coupon - Coalition Conservatives), David Lloyd George (National Government Coupon - Coalition Liberal)
1926: (Majority) def - Stanley Baldwin (National Unionist), Herbert Gladstone (Liberal), David Lloyd George (Centre)
1931-1936: John Simon (Liberal)
1931: (Coalition with Centre and "New" Unionist) def - Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), George Lane Fox (National Unionist), David Lloyd George (New Deal Coupon - Centre), Oswald Mosley (New Deal Coupon - "New" Unionist)
1936-1941: Ernest Bevin (Labour)
1936: (Majority) def - John Simon (Liberal), Hugh Cecil, 1st Baron Quickswood (National Unionist), Oswald Mosley (New Deal), Neville Chamberlain (Continuity Centre)
1941-1943: Ernest Bevin (Labour leading Wartime National Government with Liberals, National Unionists and New Democrats)
1943-1947: Isaac Foot (Liberal leading Wartime National Government with Labour, National Unionists and New Democrats)
1947-1953: Isaac Foot (Liberal)
1947: (Minority with New Democratic Confidence and Supply) def - Harold Nicolson (Labour), Leo Amery (National Unionist), Herbert Morison (New Democratic)
1951: (Majority) def - Hugh Dalton (Labour), Waldron Smithers (National Unionist), Harold Macmillan (Coninuity New Democratic)
1953-1956: William Douglas-Home (Liberal Majority)
1956-1956: Malcolm MacDonald (Labour)
1956: (Majority) def - William Douglas-Home (Liberal), A.K. Chesterton (National Unionist)
1956-0000: Frank Markham (Labour Majority)

monstrous phresh

 

[Cevolian]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

If you could have Hitchens be possessed by G.K. Chesterton and Hillaire Belloc - that'd be nice.

Though in relation to your original list, I take it that A.K. Chesterton isn't as bad as he was OTL, though a party with him and Waldon Smithers in its seems likely to peddle the Judeo Bolshevism card.

Haha that's a little out of the purview of the TL but maybe one day

A.K. Isn't as bad publicly but he's still pretty bad. The Jewish conspiracy stuff is a lot more dog whistle than it was OTL but still there, and the party is drifting closer and closer towards that sort of thing as Liberal Tories colonise the actual Liberal party and the National Unionists become more fringe.

 

[Cevolian]

monstrous phresh

Cheers

 

[Nofix]

Did the thread name just get changed? I think Presidents and PM's was just fine considering how we rarely have anything else (ie Kings, which I think have their own thread).

 

[Gorrister]

Did the thread name just get changed? I think Presidents and PM's was just fine considering how we rarely have anything else (ie Kings, which I think have their own thread).

I think it's fine enough with an artefact title. No need to change it tbh.

 

[Yes]

Ernie isn't dead when he goes, but he cocks up an alternate Operation Vegetarian and Britain ends up fighting a Nazi faction that couped the monarchist German government in Eastern Germany for a few more years losing thousands mostly to anthrax poisoning. The Liberals take over after the cock up.

ZOMG TL PLS KTHXBI

 

[Mumby]

I actually like the name change. I don't think anyone uses the Kings thread.

 

[Gonzo]

Did the thread name just get changed? I think Presidents and PM's was just fine considering how we rarely have anything else (ie Kings, which I think have their own thread).

King of the NSS Thread

2015-2017: Nofix (Arizona Democratic Liberal Alliance - 'Haydenite')
2015: Ross Barnett (Dixiecrat), Charles Manson (White House Down II Electric Boogaloo), Lowell Weicker (Independent Republican)
2016: Jesse Helms (Totally not Dixiecrat Alliance), Roy 'Mike Pence' Cohn (Republican), Alan Clark (Conservative & Unionist), Magnus Malan (National Anti-Anti-Anti-Anti-Apartheid Front)
2017: Gonzo (Social Conservative Junta)
2017-????: Gonzo (Distributist Social Credit Ulster Unionist Alliance)
2017: Hunter S. Thompson (Freak Power), Bill Clinton (Republicrat), Meir Kahane (ZIONISM), Alois Brunner (SSNP), James J. Angleton (CIA-Mossad-M16 Front)

 

[Aaaaasima]

Did the thread name just get changed? I think Presidents and PM's was just fine considering how we rarely have anything else (ie Kings, which I think have their own thread).

They do in Before: 1900

 

[KiwiEater]

no
who changed it
change it back
please
the new name is crap

 

[Yes]

King of the NSS Thread

2015-2017: Nofix (Arizona Democratic Liberal Alliance - 'Haydenite')
2015: Ross Barnett (Dixiecrat), Charles Manson (White House Down II Electric Boogaloo), Lowell Weicker (Independent Republican)
2016: Jesse Helms (Totally not Dixiecrat Alliance), Roy 'Mike Pence' Cohn (Republican), Alan Clark (Conservative & Unionist), Magnus Malan (National Anti-Anti-Anti-Anti-Apartheid Front)
2017: Gonzo (Social Conservative Junta)
2017-????: Gonzo (Distributist Social Credit Ulster Unionist Alliance)
2017: Hunter S. Thompson (Freak Power), Bill Clinton (Republicrat), Meir Kahane (ZIONISM), Alois Brunner (SSNP), James J. Angleton (CIA-Mossad-M16 Front)

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

"Chesterbelloc boogaloo" is also of note.

 

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The Madness of King George, or, 1776: Civil War Boogaloo, or, REX POPULI

Kingdom of Great Britain, 1707-1776, Hereditary Monarchy

1707-1714: Anne (Stuart)
1714-1727: George I (Hanover)
1727-1760: George II (Hanover)
1760-1776: George III (Hanover)*

Kingdom of All Britons, 1776-present, Electoral Monarchy

1776-1791: vacant ('Congressional Parliament')*
1791-1795: George IV Hanover (Non-Partisan)
1790 def. unopposed
1795-1799: George V Washington (Non-Partisan)
1794 def. George IV Hanover (Non-Partisan)
1799-1803: Henry IX Erskine (Constitutionalist)
1798 def. Charles James Fox (Radical)
1803-1806: Charles III Fox (Radical)
1802 def. William Pitt (Constitutionalist)
1806-1807: Thomas I Paine (Radical)
1807-1815: Alexander IV Hamilton (Constitutionalist)
1806 def. Charlotte Hanover (Non-Partisan), Thomas I Paine (Radical)
1810 def. William Godwin (Radical)
1815-1823: Thomas II Cochrane (Constitutionalist)
1814 def. unopposed
1818 def. Andrew Jackson (Constitutionalist), Charlotte Hanover (Constitutionalist), John Q. Adams (Constitutionalist)
1823-1831: Andrew I Jackson (Democratic)
1822 def. George Canning (Constitutionalist)
1826 def. Arthur Wellesley ('National' Constitutionalist), Richard Vyvyan ('Ultra')

*George III technically continued to reign as King until the new Constitution of the Kingdom of All Britons was drawn up and elections held for the newly elective monarchy. The Congressional Parliament, once in rebellion did not recognise George III as legitimate and the throne was deemed unoccupied in the intervening period. George III would continue to claim his lost British throne until the end of his days. The Hanoverian monarchs would eventually withdraw back to Hanover under Princess Charlotte's son George.

 

[Yes]

1807-1815: Alexander IV Hamilton (Constitutionalist)

"Your Obedient Servant/ A Dot Rex, Y'all..."

I suppose it would be too much to ask for a Steam Dynasty with Isambard I Brunel and Ada I Lovelace?...