List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Gog (♀)]

Princes of Greenbrier

1981-1983: Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush (Republican)†
def. 1980 Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic), John Anderson/Patrick Lucey (Independent)
1983-1983: William French Smith/Vacant (Republican)†
1983-1983: Samuel Pierce/Vacant (Republican)†
1983-1983: Trent Lott/Vacant (Republican) DISPUTED
1983-1984: Charlie Wilson/Larry McDonald (Democratic/National Salvation)† DISPUTED
def. 1983 Trent Lott/Henry Hyde (Republican)
1984-1984: Larry McDonald/Vacant (Democratic/National Salvation) DISPUTED
1984-1991: Larry McDonald/Gillis W. Long (Democratic/National Salvation) DISPUTED
def. 1987: John Tower/Phil Crane (Republican)
1991-1999: Gillis W. Long/Duncan Hunter (Patriotic Front Against Communism) DISPUTED
def. 1991: Carl Pursell/Ron Paul (Republican), 1995: Ron Paul/Ron Dellums (Bullion Republican-Democratic), Phil Crane/None (True Conservative)
1999-2002: Ron Paul/Harry "One Eye" Reid (Bullion)† DISPUTED
Def. 1999: Duncan Hunter/Duncan Hunter Jr. (PFAC)
2002-0000: Zebulon the Smiter of Heretics (No Party)/Vacant

No one really thought the war would come. Many of these skeptics would then not be able to find themselves in safe places when the nukes flew in '83. Every member of the the Presidential succession line would die, or at least, could not be found by any measure in the following weeks. Regardless of the pretenders home and abroad, the most legitimate claimants to the Presidency were to be found at the Congressional bunker at Greenbreir, West Virgina. The highest ranking house member left, Trent Lott of Mississippi, was acclimated president after contact could not be established with any other senior members of the government. An election was later declared in the year as Lott's ideas to survive, were not especially well received by the other inhabitants of the bunker. He was defeated in the simple poll of residents by Charlie Wison, who promised to do everything he could to restore America. However, he would die within several fleeting months of radiation poisoning. It was then up to his "Vice President" Larry McDonald, to lead. He would do moderately well, extending Greenbrier authority over the surrounding towns tucked into the Alleghenies, and restoring contact with a few far flung embassies and submarines. America was still very much an unknown watseland to these politicians, and they had often misconceptions on how good or bad things could be in certain areas. Despite his mostly successful term of not dying and helping the bunker survive, McDonald was term limited and his followers, led by the last scion of the Long clan, took control of the "country." This reign was eventful, consolidating rule over much of the eastern West Virginia Alleganies, but still the territory controlled was small and Long's tactics in rooting out "Soviet spies" were rather heavy handed. This is what led a unabashedly Post Apocalyptic Party, the Bullion Party, to defeat the attempt of the Duncan clan to take control after Long's terms. The Bullion Party, led by Ron Paul, aimed at restoring liberty and seizing as much gold as possible to gain an advantage over the neighboring warlords. This was unfortunately not very successful, as the expedition sent to take the gold reserves Paul claimed were hidden in Huntington never came back, and he and his bodyguard-Vice President Harry One Eye would later fight against the theocratic legions of Zebulon the Smiter of Heretics from Virginia. After a year long siege the Greenbrier would fall to his horde, with Paul and One Eye fighting to the death in the treasury (gold storage) room. Zebulon would make his realm's capital at Greenbrier and would go on to unite the warlords of the Alleghenies in bloody conquest.

 

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Princes of Greenbrier

1981-1983: Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush (Republican)†
def. 1980 Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic), John Anderson/Patrick Lucey (Independent)
1983-1983: William French Smith/Vacant (Republican)†
1983-1983: Samuel Pierce/Vacant (Republican)†
1983-1983: Trent Lott/Vacant (Republican) DISPUTED
1983-1984: Charlie Wilson/Larry McDonald (Democratic/National Salvation)† DISPUTED
def. 1983 Trent Lott/Henry Hyde (Republican)
1984-1984: Larry McDonald/Vacant (Democratic/National Salvation) DISPUTED
1984-1991: Larry McDonald/Gillis W. Long (Democratic/National Salvation) DISPUTED
def. 1987: John Tower/Phil Crane (Republican)
1991-1999: Gillis W. Long/Duncan Hunter (Patriotic Front Against Communism) DISPUTED
def. 1991: Carl Pursell/Ron Paul (Republican), 1995: Ron Paul/Ron Dellums (Bullion Republican-Democratic), Phil Crane/None (True Conservative)
1999-2002: Ron Paul/Harry "One Eye" Reid (Bullion)† DISPUTED
Def. 1999: Duncan Hunter/Duncan Hunter Jr. (PFAC)
2002-0000: Zebulon the Smiter of Heretics (No Party)/Vacant

No one really thought the war would come. Many of these skeptics would then not be able to find themselves in safe places when the nukes flew in '83. Every member of the the Presidential succession line would die, or at least, could not be found by any measure in the following weeks. Regardless of the pretenders home and abroad, the most legitimate claimants to the Presidency were to be found at the Congressional bunker at Greenbreir, West Virgina. The highest ranking house member left, Trent Lott of Mississippi, was acclimated president after contact could not be established with any other senior members of the government. An election was later declared in the year as Lott's ideas to survive, were not especially well received by the other inhabitants of the bunker. He was defeated in the simple poll of residents by Charlie Wison, who promised to do everything he could to restore America. However, he would die within several fleeting months of radiation poisoning. It was then up to his "Vice President" Larry McDonald, to lead. He would do moderately well, extending Greenbrier authority over the surrounding towns tucked into the Alleghenies, and restoring contact with a few far flung embassies and submarines. America was still very much an unknown watseland to these politicians, and they had often misconceptions on how good or bad things could be in certain areas. Despite his mostly successful term of not dying and helping the bunker survive, McDonald was term limited and his followers, led by the last scion of the Long clan, took control of the "country." This reign was eventful, consolidating rule over much of the eastern West Virginia Alleganies, but still the territory controlled was small and Long's tactics in rooting out "Soviet spies" were rather heavy handed. This is what led a unabashedly Post Apocalyptic Party, the Bullion Party, to defeat the attempt of the Duncan clan to take control after Long's terms. The Bullion Party, led by Ron Paul, aimed at restoring liberty and seizing as much gold as possible to gain an advantage over the neighboring warlords. This was unfortunately not very successful, as the expedition sent to take the gold reserves Paul claimed were hidden in Huntington never came back, and he and his bodyguard-Vice President Harry One Eye would later fight against the theocratic legions of Zebulon the Smiter of Heretics from Virginia. After a year long siege the Greenbrier would fall to his horde, with Paul and One Eye fighting to the death in the treasury (gold storage) room. Zebulon would make his realm's capital at Greenbrier and would go on to unite the warlords of the Alleghenies in bloody conquest.

"Mr. President! Ve must not allow a mineshaft gap! *stands up from his wheelchair* Mein Fuhrer! I can valk!"

But seriously I've spent a little time in western Virginia up around Roanoke. Think I saw Zebulon at the local Waffle House...

 

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"Mr. President! Ve must not allow a mineshaft gap! *stands up from his wheelchair* Mein Fuhrer! I can valk!"

But seriously I've spent a little time in western Virginia up around Roanoke. Think I saw Zebulon at the local Waffle House...

ETA: You get at least three more unofficial likes for "Zebulon the Smiter of Heretics" because that is just boss.

 

[Mumby]

War Plan Red

2_Crimson_Canada_and_Newfoundland

1939-1943: H. H. Stevens (Conservative)
1939 (National Unity Government with 'Unionist' Liberals and Social Credit) def. J.S. Woodsworth (United Farmer-Labour), vacant ('Ginger' Liberal), Robert Manion ('Independent' Tory)
1943-1945: Smedley Butler (US Military Occupation)
1945: Dominions of Canada and Newfoundland dissolved, annexed to the United States as the Territories of Canada and Newfoundland

Canada never quite slipped into the kind of crypto-fascist autocracy which consumed the Mother Country. But she teetered on the brink. The economic crisis which came after the Great War was only slightly abated by the short-lived boom of the early 1920s, and after America turned to Industrial Government, Canada turned to Imperial Protection. The National Unity Government managed relatively well until the late 30s when she was dragged into war by Great Britain. The war with the United States was swift, shockingly so considering the size of the country. But while surrender came quickly, it would be a long time before the country was entirely brought to peace.

While the war with the British Empire continued, Canada and Newfoundland (then under direct governance from Westminster) became Military Districts. At the conclusion of the war, in the ensuing peace treaty, British colonies in the New World were annexed to the United States, as were the Dominions of Canada and Newfoundland. The United Farmer-Labour Party affiliated to the American Farmer-Labor Party, bolstering their strength in the United States' Heartland.

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[Indicus]

Presidents of the First German Republic

1919-1925: Friedrich Ebert (SPD) †
def. Arthur von Posadowsky-Wehner (DNVP)

1925-1932: Paul von Hindenburg (Independent) [1]
def. Wilhelm Marx (Centre), Ernst Thälmann (KPD)

1932-1934: Karl Jarres (DVP) † [2]
def. Theodor Duesterberg (DVNP), Ernst Thälmann (KPD)

1934-1936: Alfred Hugenberg (DNVP) [3]
def. Otto Wels (SPD), Ernst Thälmann (KPD)

[1] An old man, Hindenburg came out of retirement to "save" Germany from its post-war troubles. Indeed, for a time, it looked like he had done so, what with the Golden Age of the First German Republic. Indeed, to many, the strife of the path was beginning to become a mere memory. However, this was not to be. With the collapse of the New York Stock Exchange in 1929, Germany could no longer get loans from the US, leading to its collapse, and economic strife matched by few nations in this time. By the time Hindenburg's term was up, Germany was in deep, deep, trouble, and political extremism was making a comeback.

[2] Supported by the Weimar coalition, who believed that they could keep the radicals from achieving power by supporting a somewhat-right-wing candidate, Jarres was able to win the election, beating the far-right and the far-left. However, the economy continued to worsen, and the extremes grew increasingly more popular, resulting in chaos and disarray throughout Germany. In 1934, Jarres died of suspicious circumstances.

[3] In the subsequent election, with the Weimar Coalition unsuccessful, the German people voted for the far-right DNVP. With a majority in the Reichstag and the presidency in his hands, it became possible for them to reform Germany to their image. In this period, they engaged in a series of purges, forcing many pro-democratic Germans to flee Germany, while others were killed. This, as well as a number of anti-Semitic laws, marks the end of the First German Republic.

Presidents of the German Reich

1936-1954: Alfred Hugenberg (DNVP) † [1]
1941: unopposed
1948: unopposed

1954-1962: Dietrich Klagges (DNVP) [2]
1954: unopposed
1961: unopposed

[1] Hugenberg's term saw a buildup of the military, in what was a direct violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Yet, to the surprise of many, neither France nor Britain desired to combat with Germany over it, nor reduce trade with them. Instead, they just silently accepted it. Not wishing to try his luck any further, Hugenberg simply took this gift horse in the mouth. His presidency saw a massive reduction in German freedom, as well as the weakening of the Reichstag. It also saw a full economic recovery as the military buildup led to many Germans getting jobs. Various protests and resent against the government was forcibly shot down, while many Germans, Jews especially, lost many of their rights. Hugenberg died of bad heath in 1954, with a full state funeral being given to him.

[2] Klagges, however, was a worse dictator. His presidency was marred by increasing resentment by an increasingly rebellious generation, believing in the same rights exercised by Germany's neighbours. In an attempt to regain support, in 1956, he remilitarized the Rhineland. However, Britain and France, having recovered from the effects of the Great War, were determined to stop the Germans, applying sanctions. As the fifties turned into the sixties, resentment turned into rebellion, and while the 1959 Rebellion failed, three years later, as the economy saw a recession, he was overthrown. Fleeing to Chile, he was captured in 1969 and was imprisoned for "crimes against the German people" until his death two years later.

Presidents of the Second German Republic

1962-1968: Willy Brandt (SPD) [1]
def. Ludwig Erhard (Centre), Erich Mende (DDP)

1968-xxxx: Ludwig Erhard (Centre) [2]
def. Günter Guillaume (SPD) , Walter Scheel (DDP)

[1] The first democratic leader of Germany since Hindenburg, Brandt came to power in a popular revolt, and an election confirmed his power. He is one of the people responsible for the new German constitution, retaining a powerful president while still weakening him down significantly. He did indeed cause much reform for the German people, creating various social programs that remain alive to this day. However, due to an extended period of far-right rule, economic troubles were the case throughout his presidency, and he ended his presidency moderately unpopular

[2] Coming to power in a nation reeling from economic troubles, Erhard pushed an image of a "market social economy", which created a well-regulated economy in the vein of that of the US. He pushed much of the Keynesianism of Brandt, but put his own pro-business spin on it. He is popular, and Germany has seen a massive economic recovery during his presidency. It remains to be seen whether he will ultimately be considered a success by history, but at the end of the day, it does look like he will ultimately be more than just powerful.

 

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War Plan Red

3_Orange_Japan

1940-1942: Fumimaro Konoe (Imperial Rule Assistance Association)
1942-1945: Hideki Tojo (Imperial Rule Assistance Association)
1942 (Majority) def. unopposed
1945-1946: Kuniaki Koiso (Imperial Rule Assistance Association)
1946-1946: Prince Naruhiko Higashikuni (Non-Partisan)
1946-1950: Douglas MacArthur (US Military Occupation)
1950-1953: Shigeru Yoshida (Liberal)
1950 (Coalition with Socialists and Cooperatives) def. Tetsu Katayama (Socialist), Mamoru Shigemitsu (Cooperative)
1952 (Coalition with Cooperatives) def. Tetsu Katayama (Socialist), Mamoru Shigemitsu (Cooperative)
1953-1960: Tetsu Katayama (Social Democratic)
1953 (Majority) def. Shigeru Yoshida (Liberal), Ichiro Hatoyama (Conservative)
1955 (Majority) def. Ichiro Hatoyama (Conservative), Taketora Ogata (Liberal)
1958 (Majority) def. Ichiro Hatoyama (National Democratic)
1960-1963: Suehiro Nishio (Social Democratic)
1960 (Majority) def. Nobusuke Kishi (National Democratic), Hayato Ikeda (Liberal)
1963-1975: Eisaku Sato (Social Democratic)
1963 (Majority) def. Nobusuke Kishi (National Democratic), Hayato Ikeda (Liberal)
1968 (Majority) def. Takeo Fukuda (National Democratic), Masayoshi Ohira (Liberal), Kozo Sasaki (Democratic Socialist)
1972 (Majority) def. Takeo Fukuda (National Democratic), Tomomi Narita (Democratic Socialist), Masayoshi Ohira (Liberal)

It was Japan who went to war with the United States, and in so doing dragged in her long-term allies in the British Empire (as well as her somewhat more recent allies in the German Reich). While America concentrated on smashing the opponents on her doorstep, invading Canada and struggling to overcome the Royal Navy, the Japanese were almost allowed a free hand in the Pacific, invading China, European colonies and managing to wrest the Hawaiian islands from America. But well the United States landed troops in Britain proper, the Japanese were already falling back as American troops jumped across the Pacific islands, and invaded the Japanese occupied East Indies. By the time of the fall of Britain in 1945, the US had already drawn up plans to invade the Home Islands.

Projections for the death toll of an invasion were astonishing, and a consequence of this was that Japan enjoyed the dubious privilege of being the only country to be bombed with atomic weapons. The Japanese surrender came swiftly afterwards. MacArthur was appointed as Military Governor, which prevented him standing for the Democratic-Republicans in 1948.

The post-occupation political scene was initially deeply divided and unstable between continuity parties and new parties that emerged from the aether. Under American influence, the forces of the centre-left united and in 1953 broke through and established majority government. On the other hand, the right only enjoyed occasional unity, and by the dawn of the 1960s the party system was firmly established with the Social Democrats as the arbiters of Industrial Government. A spoils system and political machine was established, ensuring Social Democratic dominance. In 1963, Eisaku Sato became Prime Minister. A former Liberal, he was an inveterate centrist and loyal to the American forged consensus, ensuring Japan's prominence in the Western International and de facto leader of the Westintern's members in the Far East.

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2_Crimson_Canada_and_Newfoundland

 

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An alternate attack and the leaders that came as a result:

43. George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Rep.): 1/20/01-9/11/01 *

44. Strom Thurmond / Vacant: 9/11/01-12/02/01
44. Strom Thurmond **/ Tom DeLay (Rep.): 12/02/01-12/09/01

45. Tom DeLay / Vacant (Rep.): 12/09/01-1/15/02
45. Tom DeLay / Rudy Giuliani (Rep.): 1/15/02-1/20/09
Def. 2004: Wesley Clark/ Dick Gephardt (Dem.)

46. Joe Lieberman / Evan Bayh (Dem.): 1/20/09-1/20/13
Def. 2008: Rudy Giuliani / Mike Huckabee (Rep.)

47. Jeb Bush / Bobby Jindal (Rep.): 1/20/13-1/20/17
Def. 2012: Joe Lieberman / Evan Bayh (Dem.) , Bernie Sanders / Jerry Brown (Progressive)

48. Cory Booker / Jim Webb (Dem.): 1/20/17-?

Def. 2016: Jeb Bush / Bobby Jindal (Rep.)

*= President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Speaker Hastert are killed in the September 11th attacks on the Capitol Building and the White House.

**= With the Senate split and thus being in Republican Control thanks to the late Vice President Cheney breaking the tie, President Pro Tempore Strom Thurmond was sworn in as the 44th President after the deaths of Bush, Cheney, and Hastert. After the Senate confirmed his Vice Presidential Selection, House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, the 99 year old Strom Thurmond resigned as President due to age. Vice President DeLay was sworn in as President the same day.

 

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The Strange Survival of Liberal England
1929-1931: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
def. 1929 (Liberal supply/confidence): Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1931-1935: Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour)
def. 1931 (National Coalition including Conservative, National Liberals): Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Arthur Henderson (Labour), David Lloyd George (Liberal), John Simon (National Liberal)
1935-1937: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative)
def. 1935 (National Coalition including National Liberal, National Labour): Ramsay Muir (Liberal), Herbert Morrison (Labour), Jonh Simon (National Liberal), James Maxton (Independent Labour), Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour), Oswald Mosley (NEW)
1937-1940: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative)
1940-1946: Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
1940 wartime coalition arrangement including Conservative, Labour, National Liberal, National Labour
1943 wartime coalition arrangement including Conservative, Democrats, National Liberal
1946-1950: Herbert Morrison (Democrats)*
def. 1946 (Liberal coalition): Anthony Eden (Conservative), Bob Edwards (Labour), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), James Henderson-Stewert (National Liberal)
1950-1951: Gladwyn Jebb (Liberal)
1951-1956: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
def. 1951: Harold Macmillan (Democrats), Gladwyn Jebb (Liberal), Bob Edwards (Labour)
1956-1962: Harold Macmillan (Liberal Democrats)
def. 1956: Anthony Eden (Conservative), Annie Maxton (Labour)
def. 1961: Anthony Nutting (Conservative), Annie Maxton (Labour)
1962-1966: Donald Wade (Liberal Democrats)
1966-19??: Julian Amery (Conservative)
def. 1966: Donald Wade (Liberal Democrats), Tony Cliff (Labour)

*Forced to resign over the Groundnut controversy.

Basically, DLG isn't ill during the National Government formation and it sort of spins off from that, with Labour tearing itself apart, Archi Sinclair replacing Churchill as the 'war Prime Minister', and Macmillan's fantasy of a 'Centre party' becoming reality.

 

[Cevolian]

THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY
Seeing the other side's perspective...
​

1970-1973: Edward Heath (Conservative majority)
1970 def - Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1973-1976: Edward Heath (Conservative-Liberal coalition)[1]
1973 def - Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1976-1982: Denis Healey (Labour majority)[2]
1976 def - Edward Heath (Conserrvative), Jeremy Thorpe (Coalition Liberal), Emlyn Hooson (Anti-Coalition Liberal)
1980 def - Edward DuCann (Conservative), David Penhaligon (Radical), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1982-1990: Edmund Dell (Labour majority)[3]
1984 def - Norman St John-Stevas (Conservative), David Penhaligon (Liberal), Cyril Smith (Rochdale Independents), Eric Heffer/Arthur Scargill (Democratic Socialist/Coal Not Dole!)
1989 def - Ian Gilmour (Conservative), Eric Heffer (Democratic Socialist), Various (Indepenent Liberals)
1990-1994: David Owen (Labour majority)[4]
1994-1999: Chris Patten (Conservative majority)[5]
1994 def - David Owen (Labour)
1999-2007: Menzies Campbell (Labour majority)[6]
1999 def - Chris Patten (Conservative), Norman Tebbit (Peoples')
2003 def - Malcom Rifkind (Conservative), Michael Portillo (People's)
2007-2011: Stephen Dorrel (Conservative majority)[7]
2007 def - Menzies Campbell (Labour), Roger Knapman (Peoples'), Collective (Green UK)
2011-2015: Greg Clark (Conservative majority)[8]
2011 def - Norman Lamb (Labour), Collective (Green UK)
2015-0000: Chris Grayling (Labour majority)[9]
2015 def - Greg Clark (Conservative), Collective (Green UK), Peter Hitchens (Anti-Federation/Traditional Conservatives)

1 - Calling an early election in 1973, Heath scraped back into office in coalition with the Liberals after securing a plurality of seats, but was forced to appoint Thorpe Home Secretary and promise a referendum on the Alternative Vote. In the end this coalition would preside over further strikes, deteriorating relations in Northern Ireland, and a splinter in the Liberal Party after a landslide defeat for the "Yes" camp in the AV referendum. The government lost its majority in 1976, and when the UUP refused to back it up, Heath was forced to call another early election. With a general sense of malaise the Grocer quietly left office as a failure...

2 - Having won out against Callaghan and Foot after Wilson's resignation, Denis Healey promised to be the voice of moderation in Britain - with the Liberals divided and the Conservatives discredited this promise seemed realistic to much of the public. Despite the grievances of many of his backbencher she, Healey quickly set about making cuts in order to secure a loan from the IMF, but was forced to confront the miners over pit closures, which made him increasingly unpopular, as did cuts to the NHS. Healey bounced back when he was able to trounce the Argentine government in a brief skirmish over the Falklands in 1978, and two years later with North Sea Oil flowing in and the economy growing, he won re-election as the Liberals slid into irrelevance and the Tories under the monetarist DuCann struggled differentiate themselves from the cut happy government. The next two years saw Healey make further cuts to public services and withdraw government funding from lame duck industries, further alienating the left of the party; since Roy Jenkins was shuffled from the role of Chancellor to Foreign Secretary and replaced with the radical Free Marketeer Edmund Dell, the left had been on the verge of rebellion, and when Michael Foot was challenged and beaten for the Deputy Leadership by Shirley Williams many (led by the "Unholy Trinity" of Eric Heffer, Joan Maynard and Albert Booth) to leave the party and form their own on the extreme left, joining up with Arthur Scargill's embryonic political movement in 1982. As a result Healey stepped down, and the newly left-less PLP elected Dell as his successor over Tony Benn.

3 - Dell was as happy with the axe as a woodsman, and began tax and service cuts which (while brutal) many contemporary economists viewed as necessary. Sure enough although unemployment skyrocketed and inflation rose but by bit at the start of his term, by 1981 it was starting to calm down whilst GDP was growing quickly as were wages. When Dell called an election for 1982 many expected to see Labour beaten, but then two scandals hit the Liberal Party - first Jeremy Thorpe was discovered to have had a gay affair and staged an elaborate, violent, coverup of it. Thorpe was expelled from the party and it was reunited with the Radicals under Hooson, and the political effects started a witchhunt which ended with the Tory leader's own homosexuality being discovered by the press. Whilst he did not step down, many in his party attempted to remove him, and his party plummeted in the polls as extreme Tory voters switched to the National Front whilst others simply did not have a party to vote for. Then the Liberals were rocked again by the discovery that Cyril Smith was a pedophile - he too was expelled from the Liberals, and although he kept his seat in the landslide 1984 election, he was quickly arrested and forced to step down. The loss of Labour voters to the Democratic Socialists ultimately meant nothing, as the party dwindled to just Heffer, Scargill, and Booth's seats. With a large majority, Dell further pursued his ideological agenda with stock market deregulation that saw the UK's economy boom and attracted many defectors from an increasingly One Nation Conservative Party - Peter Lilley crossed the floor to serve as Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 1986, followed by Nigel Lawson a year later. Another election in 1989 saw Dell's majority barley reduced, and then a year later the Soviet Union collapsed and was replaced with the new radically capitalist "Russian Union" which Dell helped guide into the EEC. He resigned later that year, confident that his competent long term Foreign Secretary could complete his vision.

4 - Owen, despite all expectations, was a mediocre Prime Minister at best. Although tremendously intelligent, he was not good at balancing all the factions of his party, and was too headstrong and arrogant to be an effective collaborator. Had he been President he may, perhaps, have been phenomenal, but as it was he was in a Prime Ministerial system in which he floundered. Further attempts at NHS cuts whilst Owen increased the military budget did not go down well, and finally the botched privatisation of Royal Mail in 1994 led to Owen seeking a new mandate to govern early, and then going down in a blaze of apathy as the sat dregs of "Third Parties" slipped into electoral irrelevance.

5 - Chris Patten had consolidated the power of the One Nation wing of his party, and led into governemnt by attacking Labour, surprisingly, from the left. The full realignment of British politics had begun. Patten underwent a programme of renationalising the railways after Owen had begun their privatisation, as well as a slight increase in taxes and ambitious plans to build new homes across Britain... many on the centre left quietly began to praise Patten, but he continued to claim that he was nothing more than a Macmillanite One Nation Conservative and certainly not "of the left". This didn't prevent long term backbencher Norman Tebbit from leaving the party, however, and he founded a starkly right wing anti-EEC party that opposed the entities ever closer political and economic union. After five years and with taxes high following then eocnomic slump of 1995-1996, Patten lost the election to Menzies "Ming" Campbell, a former Liberal and athlete firmly on the monetarist right of the party.

6 - The former Scottish Liberal was the man to drag Britain kicking and screaming into the 21st century, with further rounds of strikes coming as the last vetsiges of public owned industry (aside from the NHS and a scattering of defence contractors) were largely sold off in tandem with the Republican Government in Washington. The state, one anonymous Campbell aide famously said, was dead. This was far from true, but over his two terms in office and with the "Right Wing" vote split between the Conservatives and the People's party, Campbell saw little challenge. It was only with the collapse of the People's Party in 2006 as long-term member Ian Duncan-Smith defected back to the Conservatives after a Damascene conversion about the welfare state that the Tories could secure enough support to eek out a narrow majority in 2007 as "traditional Labour voters" shifted over to the Greens as the only truly "Left Wing" party left in British politics.

7 - Dorrel was able to win the election by appealing to former Liberal voters as well as some within Labour, but his first term in office saw him preside over a devastating economic crash. Although his Keynesian policies did lead to the start of an economic recovery, many did not think it was enough (although this was largely due to the limited scope of his public investment plans). His failure to legislate for Gay Marriage led to his resignation in 2011, largely due to the perception that he was an electoral liability for his party, although he remained in the government as Home Secretary until after the election when he was made Chancellor.

8 - Clark managed to salvage the Conservative Party's reputation after the Labour leader praised his former opponent's attempts to legalise gay marriage and came out in favour of drug legalisation - the perception of being aloof on social issues that Labour had once had evaporated overnight, and with the total collapse of the People's Party, the Conservatives kept power. No new nationalisations were made, but money was pumped into the flagging NHS and school systems, alongside funding increases for local authorities. Clark also initiated the"Great Experiment" federalising the country with National and regional assemblies and instituted a formal procedure for referenda to make changes of "constitutional" importance. It was with a referendum on the new "European Federal Constitution" which brought Clark down, splitting his party and forcing an early election.

9 - The new Prime Minister Chris Grayling has come into office as a man of the free market, and although he won his right wing views led to another big surge for the Greens, who now sit on 50 seats. For now there really is no "left" in Britain, but with more and more talk of Labour defections to the Greens there might well be another shakeup soon...

 

[Mumby]

4_Ruby_India

1936-1943: Victor Hope, 2nd Marquess Linlithgow (British Imperial Rule)
1943-1945: Bill Slim (British Military Administration)
1945-1948: Collective (National Arbitration Council)
1948-1950: Subhas Chandra Bose (All-India Forward)
1948 (National Unity Government with Congress and 'All-India' Muslim League) def. Muhammad Ali Jinnah ('Four Provinces' Muslim League), none (Principalities' Rights)
1950-1963: K. M. Cariappa (Independent)
1952 (Emergency Government with Congress, All-India Muslim League, Principalities' Rights, backed by the Indian Army) def. unopposed
1957 (Emergency Government with Congress, All-India Muslim League, Principalities' Rights, backed by the Indian Army) def. unopposed
1962 (National Government with New Congress, backed by the Indian Army) def. Shripat Amrit Dange (Communist Party of India), Raghu Vira (National Patriotic Organisation)
1963-1974: V. K. K. Menon (New Congress)
1967 (Majority) def. Chakravarti Rajagopalachari (Conservative), Hemantha Kumar Bose (Forward Bloc)
1972 (Majority) def. Charan Singh (Conservative)
1974-1975: Bansi Lal (New Congress majority)

Upon Linlithgow's retirement in 1943, the British government appointed a military figure to the Viceroyalty and imposed martial law on the increasingly restive colony. When the British government surrendered to the American invasion force led by David Eisenhower, General Slim found himself in a bizarre situation. He retained firm control of most of India, having maintained popularity with his native soldiers. American backed rebels held control of large parts of the country however and a Soviet invasion through Afghanistan threatened the fall of India which had been promised by Russia since some time in the 1840s. Slim decided to treat with the rebels and made cessation of hostilities with the Americans, in order to send troops to defend the Northwestern Frontier. The result was the National Arbitration Council and Slim's gambit was successful. In 1948, the Union of India, now the residence of a British monarchy searching for a welcoming home, held it's first election. The parties of 'Union', formed a National Government and despite only coming second in terms of seats the rebel leader Bose became Prime Minister thanks to American intervention.

Bose's government did not last long, as the 'Four Provinces' Muslim League agitated for independence from the Union and the Principalities became restive, especially after the Indian Parliament voted to form a Federal Republic rather than keep the Windsor Dynasty as Emperors. With the country slipping into disorder and on the brink of Civil War, K.M. Cariappa, Commander-in-Chief of the Indian Army performed a coup. He formed a compromise with the Princes, while ceding independence to some of the Northwestern Provinces which soon slipped into the Soviet orbit.

Cariappa governed for thirteen years, slowly establishing the civic institutions which brought India in line with American-style Industrial Government. At the 1962 general election, Cariappa allowed true opposition to form, though it remained weak and tiny compared to the New Congress Party which had emerged from Cariappa's Coalition. In 1963 he stepped down and in 1967 the first truly free and fair elections took place, though New Congress' position as India's dominant party was assured. Menon caused some controversy in the American led Western International in his strident anti-colonialism, condemning American controlled 'International Mandates' in Africa as 'new imperialism'. He died in 1974 and his protege Bansi Lal now leads the country, challenging the Japanese for influence in Southeast Asia.

1_Red_Great_Britain
2_Crimson_Canada_and_Newfoundland
3_Orange_Japan

 

[Gorrister]

Red Dawn


'Though the United States has failed in its task of combating the Soviet menace, we shall by no means let our own mission falter.'
- Airey Neave, 1986, upon the formation of the Anti Soviet National Government

'I decided to go to the Soviets for one reason: they knew a bloody good deal. There was no way I would reject an offer to live in a land of true socialism.'
- Arthur Scargill in a 1999 interview.

'The prime minister does not have any plans to establish a deal with People Before Profit until they release their full financial disclosures with contacts in the American Communes.'
- Statement to the press from the office of Prime Minister David Miliband, 2016.

'Will Miliband call an EEC referendum to placate PBP?'
- BBC headline, 2016.

'PBP leader to stand in Wavertree by-election.'
- Guardian, 2016.

'Former Telegraph Editor Boris Johnson musing standing on a 'Free Michael Gove' label in upcoming by-election.'
- Evening Standard, 2016.

1978: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative minority)
1980: Michael Foot (Labour minority)
1982: Airey Neave (Conservative majority)
1985: Airey Neave (Conservative leading Anti-Soviet National Government consisting of UUP, DUP, Owenite SDP, Rebel Liberals, Rebel Labourites)
1986: Airey Neave (Conservative leading Anti-Soviet National Government consisting of UUP, DUP, Reform, Democratic Labour)
1988: James Molyneaux (Conservative leading Anti-Soviet National Government consisting of UUP, DUP, Reform, Democratic Labour)
1989: Leon Brittain (Conservative leading Anti-Soviet National Government consisting of UUP, DUP, Reform, Democratic Labour)
1990: Peter Shore (Labour leading Popular Front consisting of Democrats, Liberals, Communists, SDLP, Anti National Conservatives)
1993: David Blunkett (Labour leading Popular Front consisting of Democrats, Liberals, Communists, SDLP, Anti National Conservatives)
1995: Nigel Lawson (Conservative-Reform coalition)
1999: Harriet Harman (Labour majority)
2003: Harriet Harman (Labour majority)
2007: Tim Bell (Conservative majority)
2012: Tim Bell (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
2016: David Miliband (Labour minority)

CURRENT PARTY STANDINGS
Labour: 318 seats
Conservative: 274 seats
Liberal: 16 seats
People Before Profit: 10 seats
SNP: 8 seats
UUP: 5 seats
SDLP: 4 seats
DUP: 4 seats
SDP: 3 seats
Plaid Cymru: 3 seats
Free Democrats: 2 seats
Independent Conservatives: 2 seats
Sinn Féin: 2 seats
Alliance: 1 seat
Workers (associated with PBP): 1 seat
Communist (associated with PBP): 1 seat
Speaker (Peter Hitchens): 1 seat
Independent Liberal: 1 seat
Independent: 1 seat

A silly idea about the Soviets winning the Cold War and Britain becoming one of the world's sole capitalist powers. I've seen many other Red Dawn type scenarios where Britain ends up becoming an authoritarian nightmare, which I've decided to avoid here.

 

[shiftygiant]

Airey Neave
James Molyneaux

 

[Gorrister]

I WANT TO GET OFF MR BLUNKETT'S WILD POPULAR FRONT

 

[Gonzo]

What is it with MPs for South Antrim becoming PM. You used Knox Cunningham, Sp00ky has used Molyneaux; goodness there must be a great crop of MPs from the area,-

I stand corrected.

 

[Asami]

Threadmarks updated.

 

[Steve Brinson]

At The End Of The Rainbow

1961-1964: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) 1

def. Richard M. Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican), Harry F. Byrd/Strom Thurmond (Unpledged Electors)

1964-1965: John F. Kennedy/Vacant (Democratic)​

1965-1967: John F. Kennedy/George Smathers (Democratic)

def. Nelson Rockefeller/John A. Love (Republican)

1967-1969: George Smathers/Vacant (Democratic) 2​

1969-1977: John Tower/Mark Hatfield (Republican) 3

def. George Smathers/Ronald Reagan (Democratic), Harry Belafonte/Various ("Liberty and Justice" Independent) 4
def. Henry M. Jackson/J. William Fulbright (Democratic), Bella Abzug/Ralph Abernathy ("Rainbow Coalition" Independent)​

1977-1981: Roman Hruska/William F. Buckley, Jr. (Republican) 5

def. Wally Hickel/Ronald Dellums (Rainbow Coalition [Patriot/Socialist]), George Wallace/George Meany (Democratic)​

1981-1985: Roman Hruska/Louie Welch ("Establishment" [Republican/Democratic]) 6

def. Jane Fonda/John Lewis (Rainbow Coalition [Peace/Just Society])​

1985-1990: Carl Hampton/Tony Mazzocchi (Rainbow Coalition [Black Panther/Labor]) 7

def. Louie Welch/Daniel Evans ("Establishment" [Democratic/Republican])
def. Elliot Richardson/John Glenn ("Establishment" [Republican/Democratic])

1990-1993: Tony Mazzocchi/Vacant 8​

1993-1997: Tony Mazzocchi/John Trudell (Rainbow Coalition [Labor/American Indian Movement])
def. Lee Iacocca/Clarence Thomas (United)
1997-2005: Elizabeth Dole/Pete Geren (United) 9
def. Gloria Steinem/Mickey Leland (Rainbow Coalition [Women's Equality/People's Democratic])
def. Harvey Milk/Wilma Mankiller (Rainbow Coalition [Liberation/American Indian Movement])
2005-2009: Pat LaMarche/Mike Beebe (Rainbow Coalition [Ecological/Patriot]) 10
def. Gary Condit/John Negroponte (United)
2009-2013: Charlie Crist/Tim Cook (United) 11
def. Pat LaMarche/Mike Beebe (Rainbow Coalition [Ecological/Patriot])
2013-????: Julian Castro/Cindy Sheehan (Rainbow Coalition [La Raza Unida/Peace]) 12
def. Charlie Crist/Tim Cook (United)
def. Nandita Berry/Lincoln Chafee (United)

1: "We don't have enough electors to win alone. Harry, I need your help."
2: "The man who called Reverend King's wife when he was sitting in that jail cell died seven years ago. Only his body died last night."
3: "It would not be right to force integration onto a populace with no desire for it."
4: "Fascism is fascism, whether clad in the swastika or the Stars and Stripes."
5: "I call on the American people to reject Communism in all its forms..."
6: "...and call on the Republican and Democratic parties to unite against it."
7: "Mr. Hruska calls us Communists. Well, if this is Capitalism..."
8: "Let us mourn one of the greatest visionaries of America's history together, and let's bring to birth his vision together."
9: "America sometimes needs the burning fire of democratic revolution, but it also needs the cold water of moderation now and again."
10: "How great is our nation to the people who sleep on its streets?"
11: "Housing, land, free medicine, even money for just existing. How many more things will the Rainbow Coalition call rights?"
12: "I don't know if we can bring peace to India, but we can at least stop the war we made there."

 

[Gog (♀)]

2009-2013: Charlie Crist/Tim Cook (United) 11

Poor America.

 

[Asami]

Poor America.

A man who changes his mind (and party) more times per day than his pants; and a guy who has kamikaze'd one of the most innovative companies in the technology sector.

Well, it's been fun, America...

At least Jony Ive isn't a Cabinet-level Secretary... right? Or CEO of Apple, right?!?!?

 

[Thomas1195]

Thomas 1195 - Liberal England
Liberal England
1918-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative)
def. 1918: Herbert Asquith (Liberal), William Adamson (Labour), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein)
1923-1926: Herbert Asquith (Liberal)
def. 1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative), J.R.Clynes (Labour)
1926-1928: David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1928-1932: David Lloyd George (Liberal)
def. 1928: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1932-1935: David Lloyd George (Liberal)
def. 1932: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1935-1938: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative)
def. 1935: David Lloyd George (Liberal), Clement Atlee (Labour)
1938-1943: Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
def. 1938: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative), Clement Atlee (Labour)
1943-1948: Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
def. 1943: Anthony Eden (Conservative), Clement Atlee (Labour)
1948-1953: Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
def. 1948: Anthony Eden (Conservative), Clement Atlee (Labour)
1953-1958: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
def. 1953: Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Clement Atlee (Labour)
1958-1963: Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberal)
def. 1958: Anthony Eden (Conservative), Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1963-1968: Harold Macmillan (Liberal)
def. 1963: Alec Douglas Home (Conservative), George Brown (Labour)

 

[Steve Brinson]

At least Jony Ive isn't a Cabinet-level Secretary... right? Or CEO of Apple, right?!?!?

Jony Ive currently works for a London-based product design firm.