Barebones but not implausible. Like how dynastic politics has arrived in Canada in full by the end. Also that things are unsettled enough in La Belle Nation that the Libs go for two francophone leaders in a row.
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
- Thread starter Asami
- Start date
- Status
Barebones but not implausible. Like how dynastic politics has arrived in Canada in full by the end. Also that things are unsettled enough in La Belle Nation that the Libs go for two francophone leaders in a row.
Yes, and you spared him having to deal with the big constitutional issues that, while they got an official document in place for Herself to sign by the end of the Seventies, laid some of the ground for the "interesting times" of Meech Lake and Charlottetown later. Only thing missing is a Joe Clark analogue but this is an age of O'Learys (and Mark Cubans) not Clarks and we are the poorer for it...
I wonder if Benji will run a leadership campaign quite as glitzy as old Brian's in '76, though the Tangerine Dream south of the border has pretty much set the standard for overdone glitz for the foreseeable future.
Oppo - Space Wars: The Political Ramifications of a Moon Base Invasion
Space Wars: The Political Ramifications of a Moon Base Invasion
2009-2013: Barack Obama/Joe Biden (Democrat)
2008: John McCain/Sarah Palin (Republican)
2013-2021: Newt Gingrich/Bob McDonell (Republican)
2012: Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton (Democrat), Bernie Sanders/Kinky Freidman (Justice/Americans Elect)
2016: Andrew Cuomo/Angus King (Democrat)
2021-2023: Amy Klobuchar/Bill Nelson (Democrat)
2020: Bob McDonnell/Rand Paul (Republican), Elon Musk/Neil deGrasse Tyson (Free Luna), Mark Cuban/Jeff Sessions (Earth First)
2023-2024: Bill Nelson/Vacant (Democrat)
2024-2029: Bill Nelson/Elon Musk (Democrat/Free Luna)
2024: Dan Quayle/Joe Heck (Republican)
2029-2037: Elon Musk/Alison Grimes (Democrat)
2028: Raul Labrador/Pat Meehan (Republican)
2032: Tulsi Gabbard/Liz Cheney (Republican), Bobby Ray/Kanye West (Flat Earth)
2037-2041: Alison Grimes/Tom Perillo (Democrat)
2036: Rick Santorum/Barbara Hodges (Republican)
2041-2051: Kim Kardashian/Adam Kinzinger (Republican)
2040: Alison Grimes/Tom Perillo (Democrat)
2044: Beau Biden/Al Perry (Democrat)
2051-2057: Kendall Jenner/Adam Kinzinger (Republican)
2050: Billy Brooks/Patrick Murphy (Democrat)
2057-2063: North West/Megan McCain (Republican)
2056: Harry Davidson/Sam Koch (Democrat)
2063-2067: Megan McCain/Billy Brooks (Independent)
2062: Kendall Jenner/Kylie Jenner (Republican)
2067-2075: Billy Brooks/Vacant (Independent)
2068: Kendall Jenner/Maddie Gingrich (Republican)
2075-2087: Kim Kardashian (Republican)
2074: Allen Marr (Independent)
2080: None
Governor-Generals of the Territory of Luna
2020: Eileen Collins (Republican)
2020-2022: Vladimir Putin (Russian-Lead-Dictatorship)
2022-2031: Mark Kelly (Democrat)
List of Governors of the State of Luna
2031-2033: Bill Nelson (Democrat)
2030: Tomi Lauren (Independent)
2033-2037: Caroline Kennedy (Democrat)
2032: Jeff Bezos (Libertarian), Lady Gaga (Working Families)
2034: Rand Paul (Libertarian), Jeremey Colton (Working Families)
2037-2040: Kim Kardashian (Independent)
2036: Susan Rice (Democrat), Adam Kokesh (Libertarian), Ricky Baldwin (Luna Independence)
2038: Gary Hoover (Democrat), Ricky Baldwin (Luna Independence)
2040-2057: Kendall Jenner (Independent)
2040: Mark Cuban (Democrat)
2042: Charles Nelson (Democrat)
2044: Susan Rice (Democrat)
2050: William Martin IV (Democrat)
POSITION ABOLISHED
2009-2013: Barack Obama/Joe Biden (Democrat)
2008: John McCain/Sarah Palin (Republican)
2013-2021: Newt Gingrich/Bob McDonell (Republican)
2012: Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton (Democrat), Bernie Sanders/Kinky Freidman (Justice/Americans Elect)
2016: Andrew Cuomo/Angus King (Democrat)
2021-2023: Amy Klobuchar/Bill Nelson (Democrat)
2020: Bob McDonnell/Rand Paul (Republican), Elon Musk/Neil deGrasse Tyson (Free Luna), Mark Cuban/Jeff Sessions (Earth First)
2023-2024: Bill Nelson/Vacant (Democrat)
2024-2029: Bill Nelson/Elon Musk (Democrat/Free Luna)
2024: Dan Quayle/Joe Heck (Republican)
2029-2037: Elon Musk/Alison Grimes (Democrat)
2028: Raul Labrador/Pat Meehan (Republican)
2032: Tulsi Gabbard/Liz Cheney (Republican), Bobby Ray/Kanye West (Flat Earth)
2037-2041: Alison Grimes/Tom Perillo (Democrat)
2036: Rick Santorum/Barbara Hodges (Republican)
2041-2051: Kim Kardashian/Adam Kinzinger (Republican)
2040: Alison Grimes/Tom Perillo (Democrat)
2044: Beau Biden/Al Perry (Democrat)
2051-2057: Kendall Jenner/Adam Kinzinger (Republican)
2050: Billy Brooks/Patrick Murphy (Democrat)
2057-2063: North West/Megan McCain (Republican)
2056: Harry Davidson/Sam Koch (Democrat)
2063-2067: Megan McCain/Billy Brooks (Independent)
2062: Kendall Jenner/Kylie Jenner (Republican)
2067-2075: Billy Brooks/Vacant (Independent)
2068: Kendall Jenner/Maddie Gingrich (Republican)
2075-2087: Kim Kardashian (Republican)
2074: Allen Marr (Independent)
2080: None
Governor-Generals of the Territory of Luna
2020: Eileen Collins (Republican)
2020-2022: Vladimir Putin (Russian-Lead-Dictatorship)
2022-2031: Mark Kelly (Democrat)
List of Governors of the State of Luna
2031-2033: Bill Nelson (Democrat)
2030: Tomi Lauren (Independent)
2033-2037: Caroline Kennedy (Democrat)
2032: Jeff Bezos (Libertarian), Lady Gaga (Working Families)
2034: Rand Paul (Libertarian), Jeremey Colton (Working Families)
2037-2040: Kim Kardashian (Independent)
2036: Susan Rice (Democrat), Adam Kokesh (Libertarian), Ricky Baldwin (Luna Independence)
2038: Gary Hoover (Democrat), Ricky Baldwin (Luna Independence)
2040-2057: Kendall Jenner (Independent)
2040: Mark Cuban (Democrat)
2042: Charles Nelson (Democrat)
2044: Susan Rice (Democrat)
2050: William Martin IV (Democrat)
POSITION ABOLISHED
asanh - List of Governors of New York- from the 1951 Constitution to the Syracuse Crisis
List of Governors of New York- from the 1951 Constitution to the Syracuse Crisis
1951-1953: Harold Lang (Liberal)
1951: Marcus Pentin (National), Daniel Oberlin (Socialist)
The first Governor after the adoption of the new, reformed Constitution, Lang had difficulty keeping backbenchers within his own party in line. Ultimately, this led to the collapse of the state's government in the summer of 1953, when right-wingers within the caucus revolted against the government's proposed concessions to striking steel workers in Buffalo. His agricultural policies were alienating to the rural Upstate, and indirectly spurred the entrance of the agrarian Farmers' Alliance onto the political scene.
1953-1960: Thomas Anthony (Liberal-National Coalition)
1953: Oliver Kelly (Socialist), Joseph Pullman (Farmers')
1957: Clarence Adams (Socialist), Joseph Pullman (Farmers')
After the election of 1953, which saw considerable losses by the Liberals, the three main parties were each roughly on par with each other in the Assembly. The Senate still maintained a sizeable Liberal plurality. In a move to deny the ascendant Left a place in government, the Liberal Party's caucus launched a coup against Lang, replacing him with right-winger Anthony, who sought a coalition with the National Party. During his tenure, Anthony governed as a fairly standard centre-right leader, supporting New York's businesses, while maintaining the welfare system and instituting state police crackdowns on anarchist activity in the Adirondacks. The economy was looking up, and standards of living were continuing to rise. Outside of a few terrorist attacks by anti-Catholic groups, there were no major crises facing the state, and no reason for the incumbent Coalition not to be returned in 1957.
Of course, it all came crashing down in 1959.
The economy of the Northeast in the 1950s was built like a bubble, constantly expanding. When that bubble popped, it hit New York hard. Unemployment skyrocketed, bankruptcies rose to record levels, and far-left agitation drew the concern of the New York Security Department. A split within the government on interstate tariffs caused its fall. At the ballot box, voters made their voice heard. And it would be heard.
Clarence Adams (Socialist): 1960-
1960: Emmanuel Bridges (National), August Teller (Liberal), Max Boemer (Farmer's)
So far, Clarence Adams' tenure as Governor has been turbulent. Committed to a policy of economic intervention and nationalization, he provided an aid for the struggling economy, while simultaneously reforming the business code with the help of the Socialist majority in the Assembly. Reconciliation with militant anarchist groups drew the ire of the right, and state police repeatedly refused to carry out the government's directives, leading to mass dismissals from the security forces.
However, the most significant event of Adams' governorship thus far has been the occupation of Syracuse by the far-right, Smythist organization known simply as God's Army. While their political wing, People for Christ, has been banned since the crackdown of 1934, sympathizers have maintained a presence within various local governments upstate. Syracuse has been a stronghold of the right-wing since the June Riots, but the sudden takeover of City Hall by black-clad militiamen was shocking. The Mayor's forces attempted to regain control, but the coup plotters soon seized the police department's weaponry and gained defectors from dismissed StateSec agents. As of this writing, most of the city has been occupied for 15 days, with the Smythists continually calling for the government to dissolve and to allow their leader, Elbert May, to ascend to the governorship. With the general deterioration of law and order in certain upstate areas where law enforcement refuses to comply with the government's wishes, it's difficult for the proper, elected government to mount an offensive.
1951-1953: Harold Lang (Liberal)
1951: Marcus Pentin (National), Daniel Oberlin (Socialist)
The first Governor after the adoption of the new, reformed Constitution, Lang had difficulty keeping backbenchers within his own party in line. Ultimately, this led to the collapse of the state's government in the summer of 1953, when right-wingers within the caucus revolted against the government's proposed concessions to striking steel workers in Buffalo. His agricultural policies were alienating to the rural Upstate, and indirectly spurred the entrance of the agrarian Farmers' Alliance onto the political scene.
1953-1960: Thomas Anthony (Liberal-National Coalition)
1953: Oliver Kelly (Socialist), Joseph Pullman (Farmers')
1957: Clarence Adams (Socialist), Joseph Pullman (Farmers')
After the election of 1953, which saw considerable losses by the Liberals, the three main parties were each roughly on par with each other in the Assembly. The Senate still maintained a sizeable Liberal plurality. In a move to deny the ascendant Left a place in government, the Liberal Party's caucus launched a coup against Lang, replacing him with right-winger Anthony, who sought a coalition with the National Party. During his tenure, Anthony governed as a fairly standard centre-right leader, supporting New York's businesses, while maintaining the welfare system and instituting state police crackdowns on anarchist activity in the Adirondacks. The economy was looking up, and standards of living were continuing to rise. Outside of a few terrorist attacks by anti-Catholic groups, there were no major crises facing the state, and no reason for the incumbent Coalition not to be returned in 1957.
Of course, it all came crashing down in 1959.
The economy of the Northeast in the 1950s was built like a bubble, constantly expanding. When that bubble popped, it hit New York hard. Unemployment skyrocketed, bankruptcies rose to record levels, and far-left agitation drew the concern of the New York Security Department. A split within the government on interstate tariffs caused its fall. At the ballot box, voters made their voice heard. And it would be heard.
Clarence Adams (Socialist): 1960-
1960: Emmanuel Bridges (National), August Teller (Liberal), Max Boemer (Farmer's)
So far, Clarence Adams' tenure as Governor has been turbulent. Committed to a policy of economic intervention and nationalization, he provided an aid for the struggling economy, while simultaneously reforming the business code with the help of the Socialist majority in the Assembly. Reconciliation with militant anarchist groups drew the ire of the right, and state police repeatedly refused to carry out the government's directives, leading to mass dismissals from the security forces.
However, the most significant event of Adams' governorship thus far has been the occupation of Syracuse by the far-right, Smythist organization known simply as God's Army. While their political wing, People for Christ, has been banned since the crackdown of 1934, sympathizers have maintained a presence within various local governments upstate. Syracuse has been a stronghold of the right-wing since the June Riots, but the sudden takeover of City Hall by black-clad militiamen was shocking. The Mayor's forces attempted to regain control, but the coup plotters soon seized the police department's weaponry and gained defectors from dismissed StateSec agents. As of this writing, most of the city has been occupied for 15 days, with the Smythists continually calling for the government to dissolve and to allow their leader, Elbert May, to ascend to the governorship. With the general deterioration of law and order in certain upstate areas where law enforcement refuses to comply with the government's wishes, it's difficult for the proper, elected government to mount an offensive.
Lilac - Past Twilight
I was impressed (very impressed) by the end of Thande's excellent timeline The Twilight's Last Gleaming (I encourage you to check it out if you somehow haven't already) - and with such an open ending I wanted to do a homage of a list that played with some of the concepts (especially of descent) that were laid out so wonderfully in the overall timeline.
Without further ado, one possible political version of the future beyond 1886 in -
Past Twilight
1885-1885: S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) / Thomas A. Hendricks (D-IN)
1884: James G. Blaine (R-ME) / John A. Logan (R-IL)
1885-1889: S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) / Vacant [1]
1889-1893: S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) / Joseph C. S. Blackburn (D-KY) [2]
1888: James G. Blaine (R-ME) / Thomas M. Browne (R-IN), Henry George (UL-NY) / Ignatius L. Donnelly (UL-MN) [3]
1893-1897: William O’Connell Bradley (R-KY) / Frank Hiscock (R-NY) [4]
1892: David B. Hill (D-NY) / Wade Hampton III (D-SC), Ignatius L. Donnelly (UL-MN) / Various
1897-1901: Ignatius L. Donnelly (ULD-MN) / Stephen R. Mallory, Jr. (ULD-FL) [5]
1896: William O’Connell Bradley (R-KY) / Galusha Pennypacker (R-PA)
1901-1901: Ignatius L. Donnelly (D-IL)† / Carter Harrison, Jr. (D-AR)
1900: Joseph B. Foraker (R-OH) / Powell Clayton (R-AR)
1901-1901: Carter Harrison, Jr. (D-AR) / Vacant
1901-1905: Carter Harrison, Jr. (D-AR) / John W. Smith (D-NC)[6]
1905-1913: Henry W. Lawton (R-IN) / Mahlon Pitney (R-NJ) [7]
1904: Carter Harrison, Jr. (D-AR) / George Turner (D-AL)
1908: John A. Johnson (D-IL) / Clark Howell (D-GA)
1913-1921: T. Woodrow Wilson (D-GA) / George E. Chamberlain (D-MS) [8]
1912: Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (R-IN) / Albert J. Beveridge (R-NC)
1916: Elihu Root (R-NJ) / William E. Borah (R-TX)
1921-1925: William J. Bryan (D-OK)† / Thomas F. Bayard, Jr. (D-DE)
1920: Frank O. Lowden (R-AR) / Henry W. Anderson (R-VA)
1924: Frank T. Hines (R-CA) / William P. Jackson (R-NC), Albert J. Beveridge (AM-NC) / J. Calvin Coolidge (AM-PA) [9]
1925-1925: Thomas F. Bayard, Jr. (D-DE) / Vacant
1925-1929: Thomas F. Bayard, Jr. (D-DE) / Gilbert M. Hitchcock (D-NM)
1929-1933: John G. Oglesby (R-TN) / George H. Moses (R-RI)
1928: Thomas F. Bayard, Jr. (D-DE) / Gilbert M. Hitchock (D-NM), James A. Reed (TD-LA) / Alben W. Barkley (TD-GA) [10]
1933-1941: Ralph Pulitzer (D-MD) / Jesse H. Jones (D-TX)
1932: John G. Oglesby (R-TN) / George H. Moses (R-RI)
1936: W. Frank Knox (R-OK) / Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-KY)
1941-1947: J. Strom Thurmond (R-SC)* / John G. Diefenbaker (R-MI) [11]
1940: Jesse H. Jones (D-TX) / Paul V. McNutt (D-IL)
1944: J. Melville Broughton, Jr. (D-NC) / John H. Bankhead II (D-AL)
1947-1947: John G. Diefenbaker (R-MI) / Vacant
1947-1949: John G. Diefenbaker (R-MI) / John W. Bricker (R-TN)
1949-1953: Arthur MacArthur III (NPL-MO) / Harold Stassen (NPL-MO) [12]
1948: Paul V. McNutt (D-IL) / James A. Roe (D-DC), John G. Diefenbaker (R-MI) / John W. Bricker (R-TN)
1953-1956: Emil C. Portes-Gil (D-TM) / Alben W. Barkley (D-GA)† [13]
1952: Harold Stassen (NPL-MO) / Various, Thomas H. Werdel (R-CO) / Robert T. L. Beckwith (R-IL)
1956-1956: Emil C. Portes-Gil (D-TM) / Vacant
1956-1961: Emil C. Portes-Gil (D-TM) / Warren G. Magnuson (D-HI)
1956: Joseph W. Martin, Jr. (R-CT) / Clifford M. Hardin (R-OK), Harold Stassen (NPL-MO) / Various
1961-1965: Philip La Follette (NPR-IN)† / Hugh E. Rodham (NPR-WV) [14]
1960: W. Stuart Symington, Jr. (D-LA) / Herschel C. Loveless (D-AR)
1964: Robert F. Kennedy (D-NJ) / Roy Wilkins (D-KS)
1965-1966: Hugh E. Rodham (R-WV) / Vacant
1966-1969: Hugh E. Rodham (R-WV) / Douglas Harkness (R-NY)
1969-1977: Hubert H. Humphrey, Jr. (R-MO) / Martin Luther King, Jr. (R-KS)
1968: George S. McGovern (D-CO) / Eugene J. McCarthy (D-MO), Harold Stassen (NPL-DC) / Various
1972: Eugene J. McCarthy (D-MO) / Mike Gravel (D-HI)
1977-1986: Frances S. Fitzgerald (D-AL)† / Peter Trudeau (D-VT) [15]
1976: Elliot L. Richardson (R-NY) / C. S. “Kit” Bond (R-MS)
1980: Leo M. Cherne (R-SC) / William E. Simon (R-MD)
1984: Katherine D. Ortega (R-TX) / Brian Mulroney (R-MA)
1986-1986: Peter Trudeau (D-VT) / Vacant
1986-1989: Peter Trudeau (D-VT) / Harlan Matthews (D-GA) [16]
1989-1993: Paul R. Ilyinsky (R-FL) / Jack F. Kemp (R-DE)
1988: Peter Trudeau (D-MA) / Harlan Matthews (D-GA)
1993-2001: Maryanne T. Clinton (D-TX) / Harris Wofford, Jr. (D-VA) [17]
1992: Paul Ilyinsky (R-FL) / Jack F. Kemp (R-DE)
1996: Steve Forbes, Jr. (R-DE) / Susan M. Golding (R-CA)
2001-2009: Michela Wrong Obama (D-NY) / John Edwards (D-GA)
2000: George E. Pataki (R-LA) / Tommy Thompson (R-IL)
2004: Linda Cutter (R-MO) / Edward I. Koch (R-GA)
2009-2017: John R. Lewis (R-KS) / Charlie Crist (R-FL) [18]
2008: Dick Durbin (D-AR) / Dennis Kucinch (D-TN)
2012: Jennifer Granholm (D-MI) / Patty Murray (D-AZ)
2017-: Susan R. Weld (R-NY) / Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. (R-CA)
2016: Barack H. Obama, Jr. (D-AR) / Carol Browner (D-FL) [19]
[1] 'Grover the Good'. Well, 'Grover the Generally Competent' anyway, which is all the man would have wanted. Insurrection, famine, ash and frost spread across the U.S. like something out of a biblical plague and President Cleveland - for once, he was able to adapt. After two very stressful terms he had a well-deserved retirement, occasionally ice-fishing in what was left of Buffalo, New York.
And modern historians most certainly don't see the Gilded Age as a parade of mustaches anymore.
[2] Getting that second term was a very near run thing mind you - taking on Joseph Blackburn as VP would have been conceivable before the Nightmare of '86 - but the South was, very quickly, looking like the major battleground now that polling stations from Maine to Montana had iced over. It was a rematch with James Blaine of course - wasn't the time for Republicans to go with an untested candidate - and Blaine would have won it too. But the holdouts in New York were mainly in Democratic areas, and the New York electors hadn't been reapportioned yet, and, and and, - Cleveland scraped through.
[3] Mayor Henry George and the United Labor Party would be happy to assure you that no - they're nothing like those rotten violent Communists at all, mind you - they just have some ideas on land and property that's all.
[4] The Governor of Kentucky was pre-eminent among Southern Republicans and for once, that seemed like a good political place to be. And he fought for black voting rights in the South - which were looking a lot more important now - and also tried to preserve order as the stream of refugees from northern states refused to let up. In the end he just pushed a little too hard, too fast.
[5] Ignatius Donnelly was an absolute nut-job with crazy ideas about comets and impacts and civilization-ending catastrophes. And then Psyche hit and he wasn't looking so crazy anymore. He was of course, but the nation was reassured that he knew what was happening, and isn't that what matters anyway? After the inept, cold-hearted David Hill tried for the Democratic nomination a second time, Donnelly took the party by storm, fusing it with United Labor and running on a platform that was a cauldron of populism, worker's rights, and outright nonsense. But he was active. And that nasty little confrontation in Haiti could have blown into war - had he and then his Illinoisan turned Arkansan Veep not managed to broker an uneasy settlement with the powers of Europe. The Tordesillas Line was back in force - sucked for Argentina and Brazil but well - the U.S. had to give ground somewhere.
[6] Having the ability to appoint a VP seemed like an obvious constitutional fix and after 86, well, the federal government certainly wasn't afraid to do whatever seemed practical.
[7] General Henry Lawton resented 'Harrison's Peace' of course - he was the one who'd fired those shells over Port-Au-Prince and become a national hero - but as President he would (barely) tamp down the bubbling tension. Fascinating things in the world of industry that the U.S. could focus on instead, after all.
[8] Wilson was very much a Donnelly Democrat - up to and including the part where he disenfranchised black voters so much that Republicans would be out of office for almost a generation. Thrilling. On the bright side we got the Concert of Nations which decided such exciting things as 'no Denmark cannot attack Siam no' and 'please dismember the Ottoman Empire in an orderly fashion, thank you, no rushing'.
[9] Republican expansionists certainly hated the fact that we stopped short of Veracruz and weren't just blindly marching into the Yucatan - that's why the wackiest of them made the Anti-Mexican Party which, yes, failed exactly as hard as you would expect against smooth-talking old Mr. Bryan and his patrician VP. (Frank Hines also did badly, mind you - practically no one from the eastern states had ever heard of him.)
[10] Reed and Barkley liked the idea of running as the 'True Democratic' ticket because of course Bayard had rigged the convention and it was a shame how the nominees weren't from the Deep South always and etc. etc. Turns out Governor Oglesby also liked the idea of a Democratic split - and with a foot in the door the Republican administration pushed full throttle for desegregation which - was it a cynical move for votes? Yes. Was it also the right thing to do? Abso-fucking-lutely. Dark horse candidate Pulitzer was moderate, and retiring enough to not roll it all back when he got elected.
[11] And then of course in reaction we got Strom 'the Boy Wonder' Thurmond, who was vaguely pragmatic enough to become a Republican and ride the tide of black votes in South Carolina - and also crazy enough to fire back at those nonwhite troops in Syria despite the fact that - yes - that would get the U.S. involved in the Austrian War. Six years of nasty trench warfare later (god how technology had advanced) - Fuhrer Schrodinger finally poisoned himself in his bunker in Vienna (people think, mind you - he was never found) - and a generation of wounded American soldiers would wish that that Austrian demagogue had been born anything else.
Also it turns out that, yes, marrying a 21 year old college senior when you're President of the United States is a stupid thing to do and, in a finally stroke of irony, President Thurmond ended up resigning for one of the few not-World War inducing things he'd done. His VP was also an absolute headcase, mind you.
[12] Enough of a headcase that Admiral Arthur MacArthur, the hero of the Battle of Wrath (and loser of several other island-hopping campaigns but that's beside the point) - crushed Diefenbaker alongside Governor McNutt. 'We Heart Art' an adoring nation roared, before he reluctantly pledged to serve only one term.
[13] The Governor of Tamaulipas was the darkest of dark horses, but Adlai and Joe Kennedy Jr. deadlocked (and everyone knew how that Joe had a massive entitlement complex mind you, like he was owed the Presidency) - and hey, Gil was available and would certainly throw Republicans for a loop with that whole 'relying on minority demographics' thing. And Gil was certainly competent - to this day the jobs programs and the global warming of the 50s are remembered fondly.
[14] Republicans stumbled in the wilderness for a while mind you (running someone from essentially a rotten borough in 1952 didn't help) - but Phil La Follette finally brought them back in a vaguely progressive direction. He and the Democrats presided over the final triumph over segregation in the U.S. , helped make the name Kennedy synonymous with 'unelectable' when he beat the gawky New Jersey liberal in a 49 state landslide - and then passed away too soon, dying less than a year after his re-election victory. Even the much older prime minister of the United Kingdom, nearing his final year in office, came across the Atlantic to mourn - and with William G. C. Gladstone weeping at a presidential funeral, the Cold Spell was over. Tough-talking Hugh Rodham may have been much more conservative - but he (and the charming Missouri senator that primaried him) were both happy to keep the peace.
[15] Alabama political powerhouse Frances Fitzgerald would have to do more than just keep the peace mind you - she had to win the war. Japan finally went to war with Denmark, astonishing the world with new bombs that could explode with the light of a sun and new planes that could deliver them almost anywhere. President Fitzgerald and Prime Minister Foot fought boldly and persistently - and finally won the war. Frances Fitzgerald would be remembered as a martyr who died shortly into her unprecedented third term - while Philippa Foot is of course idolized as Britain's Iron Lady.
[16] Pete Trudeau? Boring old guy, Vice President catapulted into a position he could never live up to, chosen as a token New Englander? That about sums it up. Mind you - banning nuclear weapons for their potential threat to global temperatures isn't a bad legacy to leave behind. Shame he was resoundingly beaten by the noble Governor of Florida.
[17] Who in turn lost to a tough, eminently qualified Governor of Texas. And her haircuts were perfectly fine, thank you.
[18] Long-time Kansas Senator (and former Governor) John Lewis is not known as the Titan of Congress for no reason - And Republicans could smile on Inauguration Day in 2009 when the specter of slavery, which had loomed so large in the long winters of yore - was finally put to rest.
[19] Barack Obama could have been the first ever First Man to become president. Instead, a tough primary challenge from Vermont Senator Justin Trudeau put paid to his aura of inevitability, and then there was his stupid insertion into foreign policy (It's a good thing that Charles Wood got more seats than Joshua Dugdale? Try explaining that to all the Hispanic-Americans who aren't going to see a free Argentina any time soon now). So of course the thoroughly unpredictable 'cowboy governor' Susan Ward got elected instead. Thanks Obama.
Without further ado, one possible political version of the future beyond 1886 in -
Past Twilight
1885-1885: S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) / Thomas A. Hendricks (D-IN)
1884: James G. Blaine (R-ME) / John A. Logan (R-IL)
1885-1889: S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) / Vacant [1]
1889-1893: S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) / Joseph C. S. Blackburn (D-KY) [2]
1888: James G. Blaine (R-ME) / Thomas M. Browne (R-IN), Henry George (UL-NY) / Ignatius L. Donnelly (UL-MN) [3]
1893-1897: William O’Connell Bradley (R-KY) / Frank Hiscock (R-NY) [4]
1892: David B. Hill (D-NY) / Wade Hampton III (D-SC), Ignatius L. Donnelly (UL-MN) / Various
1897-1901: Ignatius L. Donnelly (ULD-MN) / Stephen R. Mallory, Jr. (ULD-FL) [5]
1896: William O’Connell Bradley (R-KY) / Galusha Pennypacker (R-PA)
1901-1901: Ignatius L. Donnelly (D-IL)† / Carter Harrison, Jr. (D-AR)
1900: Joseph B. Foraker (R-OH) / Powell Clayton (R-AR)
1901-1901: Carter Harrison, Jr. (D-AR) / Vacant
1901-1905: Carter Harrison, Jr. (D-AR) / John W. Smith (D-NC)[6]
1905-1913: Henry W. Lawton (R-IN) / Mahlon Pitney (R-NJ) [7]
1904: Carter Harrison, Jr. (D-AR) / George Turner (D-AL)
1908: John A. Johnson (D-IL) / Clark Howell (D-GA)
1913-1921: T. Woodrow Wilson (D-GA) / George E. Chamberlain (D-MS) [8]
1912: Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (R-IN) / Albert J. Beveridge (R-NC)
1916: Elihu Root (R-NJ) / William E. Borah (R-TX)
1921-1925: William J. Bryan (D-OK)† / Thomas F. Bayard, Jr. (D-DE)
1920: Frank O. Lowden (R-AR) / Henry W. Anderson (R-VA)
1924: Frank T. Hines (R-CA) / William P. Jackson (R-NC), Albert J. Beveridge (AM-NC) / J. Calvin Coolidge (AM-PA) [9]
1925-1925: Thomas F. Bayard, Jr. (D-DE) / Vacant
1925-1929: Thomas F. Bayard, Jr. (D-DE) / Gilbert M. Hitchcock (D-NM)
1929-1933: John G. Oglesby (R-TN) / George H. Moses (R-RI)
1928: Thomas F. Bayard, Jr. (D-DE) / Gilbert M. Hitchock (D-NM), James A. Reed (TD-LA) / Alben W. Barkley (TD-GA) [10]
1933-1941: Ralph Pulitzer (D-MD) / Jesse H. Jones (D-TX)
1932: John G. Oglesby (R-TN) / George H. Moses (R-RI)
1936: W. Frank Knox (R-OK) / Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-KY)
1941-1947: J. Strom Thurmond (R-SC)* / John G. Diefenbaker (R-MI) [11]
1940: Jesse H. Jones (D-TX) / Paul V. McNutt (D-IL)
1944: J. Melville Broughton, Jr. (D-NC) / John H. Bankhead II (D-AL)
1947-1947: John G. Diefenbaker (R-MI) / Vacant
1947-1949: John G. Diefenbaker (R-MI) / John W. Bricker (R-TN)
1949-1953: Arthur MacArthur III (NPL-MO) / Harold Stassen (NPL-MO) [12]
1948: Paul V. McNutt (D-IL) / James A. Roe (D-DC), John G. Diefenbaker (R-MI) / John W. Bricker (R-TN)
1953-1956: Emil C. Portes-Gil (D-TM) / Alben W. Barkley (D-GA)† [13]
1952: Harold Stassen (NPL-MO) / Various, Thomas H. Werdel (R-CO) / Robert T. L. Beckwith (R-IL)
1956-1956: Emil C. Portes-Gil (D-TM) / Vacant
1956-1961: Emil C. Portes-Gil (D-TM) / Warren G. Magnuson (D-HI)
1956: Joseph W. Martin, Jr. (R-CT) / Clifford M. Hardin (R-OK), Harold Stassen (NPL-MO) / Various
1961-1965: Philip La Follette (NPR-IN)† / Hugh E. Rodham (NPR-WV) [14]
1960: W. Stuart Symington, Jr. (D-LA) / Herschel C. Loveless (D-AR)
1964: Robert F. Kennedy (D-NJ) / Roy Wilkins (D-KS)
1965-1966: Hugh E. Rodham (R-WV) / Vacant
1966-1969: Hugh E. Rodham (R-WV) / Douglas Harkness (R-NY)
1969-1977: Hubert H. Humphrey, Jr. (R-MO) / Martin Luther King, Jr. (R-KS)
1968: George S. McGovern (D-CO) / Eugene J. McCarthy (D-MO), Harold Stassen (NPL-DC) / Various
1972: Eugene J. McCarthy (D-MO) / Mike Gravel (D-HI)
1977-1986: Frances S. Fitzgerald (D-AL)† / Peter Trudeau (D-VT) [15]
1976: Elliot L. Richardson (R-NY) / C. S. “Kit” Bond (R-MS)
1980: Leo M. Cherne (R-SC) / William E. Simon (R-MD)
1984: Katherine D. Ortega (R-TX) / Brian Mulroney (R-MA)
1986-1986: Peter Trudeau (D-VT) / Vacant
1986-1989: Peter Trudeau (D-VT) / Harlan Matthews (D-GA) [16]
1989-1993: Paul R. Ilyinsky (R-FL) / Jack F. Kemp (R-DE)
1988: Peter Trudeau (D-MA) / Harlan Matthews (D-GA)
1993-2001: Maryanne T. Clinton (D-TX) / Harris Wofford, Jr. (D-VA) [17]
1992: Paul Ilyinsky (R-FL) / Jack F. Kemp (R-DE)
1996: Steve Forbes, Jr. (R-DE) / Susan M. Golding (R-CA)
2001-2009: Michela Wrong Obama (D-NY) / John Edwards (D-GA)
2000: George E. Pataki (R-LA) / Tommy Thompson (R-IL)
2004: Linda Cutter (R-MO) / Edward I. Koch (R-GA)
2009-2017: John R. Lewis (R-KS) / Charlie Crist (R-FL) [18]
2008: Dick Durbin (D-AR) / Dennis Kucinch (D-TN)
2012: Jennifer Granholm (D-MI) / Patty Murray (D-AZ)
2017-: Susan R. Weld (R-NY) / Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. (R-CA)
2016: Barack H. Obama, Jr. (D-AR) / Carol Browner (D-FL) [19]
[1] 'Grover the Good'. Well, 'Grover the Generally Competent' anyway, which is all the man would have wanted. Insurrection, famine, ash and frost spread across the U.S. like something out of a biblical plague and President Cleveland - for once, he was able to adapt. After two very stressful terms he had a well-deserved retirement, occasionally ice-fishing in what was left of Buffalo, New York.
And modern historians most certainly don't see the Gilded Age as a parade of mustaches anymore.
[2] Getting that second term was a very near run thing mind you - taking on Joseph Blackburn as VP would have been conceivable before the Nightmare of '86 - but the South was, very quickly, looking like the major battleground now that polling stations from Maine to Montana had iced over. It was a rematch with James Blaine of course - wasn't the time for Republicans to go with an untested candidate - and Blaine would have won it too. But the holdouts in New York were mainly in Democratic areas, and the New York electors hadn't been reapportioned yet, and, and and, - Cleveland scraped through.
[3] Mayor Henry George and the United Labor Party would be happy to assure you that no - they're nothing like those rotten violent Communists at all, mind you - they just have some ideas on land and property that's all.
[4] The Governor of Kentucky was pre-eminent among Southern Republicans and for once, that seemed like a good political place to be. And he fought for black voting rights in the South - which were looking a lot more important now - and also tried to preserve order as the stream of refugees from northern states refused to let up. In the end he just pushed a little too hard, too fast.
[5] Ignatius Donnelly was an absolute nut-job with crazy ideas about comets and impacts and civilization-ending catastrophes. And then Psyche hit and he wasn't looking so crazy anymore. He was of course, but the nation was reassured that he knew what was happening, and isn't that what matters anyway? After the inept, cold-hearted David Hill tried for the Democratic nomination a second time, Donnelly took the party by storm, fusing it with United Labor and running on a platform that was a cauldron of populism, worker's rights, and outright nonsense. But he was active. And that nasty little confrontation in Haiti could have blown into war - had he and then his Illinoisan turned Arkansan Veep not managed to broker an uneasy settlement with the powers of Europe. The Tordesillas Line was back in force - sucked for Argentina and Brazil but well - the U.S. had to give ground somewhere.
[6] Having the ability to appoint a VP seemed like an obvious constitutional fix and after 86, well, the federal government certainly wasn't afraid to do whatever seemed practical.
[7] General Henry Lawton resented 'Harrison's Peace' of course - he was the one who'd fired those shells over Port-Au-Prince and become a national hero - but as President he would (barely) tamp down the bubbling tension. Fascinating things in the world of industry that the U.S. could focus on instead, after all.
[8] Wilson was very much a Donnelly Democrat - up to and including the part where he disenfranchised black voters so much that Republicans would be out of office for almost a generation. Thrilling. On the bright side we got the Concert of Nations which decided such exciting things as 'no Denmark cannot attack Siam no' and 'please dismember the Ottoman Empire in an orderly fashion, thank you, no rushing'.
[9] Republican expansionists certainly hated the fact that we stopped short of Veracruz and weren't just blindly marching into the Yucatan - that's why the wackiest of them made the Anti-Mexican Party which, yes, failed exactly as hard as you would expect against smooth-talking old Mr. Bryan and his patrician VP. (Frank Hines also did badly, mind you - practically no one from the eastern states had ever heard of him.)
[10] Reed and Barkley liked the idea of running as the 'True Democratic' ticket because of course Bayard had rigged the convention and it was a shame how the nominees weren't from the Deep South always and etc. etc. Turns out Governor Oglesby also liked the idea of a Democratic split - and with a foot in the door the Republican administration pushed full throttle for desegregation which - was it a cynical move for votes? Yes. Was it also the right thing to do? Abso-fucking-lutely. Dark horse candidate Pulitzer was moderate, and retiring enough to not roll it all back when he got elected.
[11] And then of course in reaction we got Strom 'the Boy Wonder' Thurmond, who was vaguely pragmatic enough to become a Republican and ride the tide of black votes in South Carolina - and also crazy enough to fire back at those nonwhite troops in Syria despite the fact that - yes - that would get the U.S. involved in the Austrian War. Six years of nasty trench warfare later (god how technology had advanced) - Fuhrer Schrodinger finally poisoned himself in his bunker in Vienna (people think, mind you - he was never found) - and a generation of wounded American soldiers would wish that that Austrian demagogue had been born anything else.
Also it turns out that, yes, marrying a 21 year old college senior when you're President of the United States is a stupid thing to do and, in a finally stroke of irony, President Thurmond ended up resigning for one of the few not-World War inducing things he'd done. His VP was also an absolute headcase, mind you.
[12] Enough of a headcase that Admiral Arthur MacArthur, the hero of the Battle of Wrath (and loser of several other island-hopping campaigns but that's beside the point) - crushed Diefenbaker alongside Governor McNutt. 'We Heart Art' an adoring nation roared, before he reluctantly pledged to serve only one term.
[13] The Governor of Tamaulipas was the darkest of dark horses, but Adlai and Joe Kennedy Jr. deadlocked (and everyone knew how that Joe had a massive entitlement complex mind you, like he was owed the Presidency) - and hey, Gil was available and would certainly throw Republicans for a loop with that whole 'relying on minority demographics' thing. And Gil was certainly competent - to this day the jobs programs and the global warming of the 50s are remembered fondly.
[14] Republicans stumbled in the wilderness for a while mind you (running someone from essentially a rotten borough in 1952 didn't help) - but Phil La Follette finally brought them back in a vaguely progressive direction. He and the Democrats presided over the final triumph over segregation in the U.S. , helped make the name Kennedy synonymous with 'unelectable' when he beat the gawky New Jersey liberal in a 49 state landslide - and then passed away too soon, dying less than a year after his re-election victory. Even the much older prime minister of the United Kingdom, nearing his final year in office, came across the Atlantic to mourn - and with William G. C. Gladstone weeping at a presidential funeral, the Cold Spell was over. Tough-talking Hugh Rodham may have been much more conservative - but he (and the charming Missouri senator that primaried him) were both happy to keep the peace.
[15] Alabama political powerhouse Frances Fitzgerald would have to do more than just keep the peace mind you - she had to win the war. Japan finally went to war with Denmark, astonishing the world with new bombs that could explode with the light of a sun and new planes that could deliver them almost anywhere. President Fitzgerald and Prime Minister Foot fought boldly and persistently - and finally won the war. Frances Fitzgerald would be remembered as a martyr who died shortly into her unprecedented third term - while Philippa Foot is of course idolized as Britain's Iron Lady.
[16] Pete Trudeau? Boring old guy, Vice President catapulted into a position he could never live up to, chosen as a token New Englander? That about sums it up. Mind you - banning nuclear weapons for their potential threat to global temperatures isn't a bad legacy to leave behind. Shame he was resoundingly beaten by the noble Governor of Florida.
[17] Who in turn lost to a tough, eminently qualified Governor of Texas. And her haircuts were perfectly fine, thank you.
[18] Long-time Kansas Senator (and former Governor) John Lewis is not known as the Titan of Congress for no reason - And Republicans could smile on Inauguration Day in 2009 when the specter of slavery, which had loomed so large in the long winters of yore - was finally put to rest.
[19] Barack Obama could have been the first ever First Man to become president. Instead, a tough primary challenge from Vermont Senator Justin Trudeau put paid to his aura of inevitability, and then there was his stupid insertion into foreign policy (It's a good thing that Charles Wood got more seats than Joshua Dugdale? Try explaining that to all the Hispanic-Americans who aren't going to see a free Argentina any time soon now). So of course the thoroughly unpredictable 'cowboy governor' Susan Ward got elected instead. Thanks Obama.
Last edited:
Tzaero - NO GATES
NO GATES:
[1969-1972] Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1968: Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace/Curtis Lemay (American Independent)
[1972-1977] Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford (Republican)
1972: Edmund Muskie/Sargent Shriver (Democratic) (1)
[1977-1985] Ronald Reagan/Richard Schweicker (Republican) (2)
1976: George McGovern/Birch Bayh (Democratic)
1980: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic)
[1985-1993] Alex Seith/Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic) (3)
1984: Bob Dole/Howard Baker (Republican)
1988: Pete Du Pont/Jack Kemp (Republican)
[1993-2001] George Deukmejian/Lamar Alexander (Republican) (4)
1992: Jerry Brown/Lee Hamilton (Democratic)
1996: Bill Bradley/Al Gore (Democratic)
[2001-2009] Thomas Downey/Mickey Leland (Democratic) (5)
2000: Lamar Alexander/Tom Ridge (Republican)
2004: J.C Watts/George Allen (Republican)
[2009-2017] Sam Brownback/John McCain (Republican) (6)
2008: John Kennedy Jr/Tom Daschle (Democratic)
2012: Joe Biden/Maria Cantwell (Democratic)
[2017-20??] Dennis Kucinich/Amy Klobuchar (Democratic) (7)
2016: John McCain/Jan Brewer (Republican)
[1969-1972] Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1968: Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace/Curtis Lemay (American Independent)
[1972-1977] Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford (Republican)
1972: Edmund Muskie/Sargent Shriver (Democratic) (1)
[1977-1985] Ronald Reagan/Richard Schweicker (Republican) (2)
1976: George McGovern/Birch Bayh (Democratic)
1980: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic)
[1985-1993] Alex Seith/Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic) (3)
1984: Bob Dole/Howard Baker (Republican)
1988: Pete Du Pont/Jack Kemp (Republican)
[1993-2001] George Deukmejian/Lamar Alexander (Republican) (4)
1992: Jerry Brown/Lee Hamilton (Democratic)
1996: Bill Bradley/Al Gore (Democratic)
[2001-2009] Thomas Downey/Mickey Leland (Democratic) (5)
2000: Lamar Alexander/Tom Ridge (Republican)
2004: J.C Watts/George Allen (Republican)
[2009-2017] Sam Brownback/John McCain (Republican) (6)
2008: John Kennedy Jr/Tom Daschle (Democratic)
2012: Joe Biden/Maria Cantwell (Democratic)
[2017-20??] Dennis Kucinich/Amy Klobuchar (Democratic) (7)
2016: John McCain/Jan Brewer (Republican)
Last edited:
Even Carmelo Anthony can't save them now...It would be very interesting if "God's Army" were theological descendants of that displaced loony Ulsterman John Nelson Darby. In keeping with what "the Syracuse Orangemen" really means (spoiler: not citrus fruit.)
It would be very interesting if "God's Army" were theological descendants of that displaced loony Ulsterman John Nelson Darby. In keeping with what "the Syracuse Orangemen" really means (spoiler: not citrus fruit.)
shiftygiant - Oh Shit
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
Oh Shit
I've had too much cider
2010-2015: David Cameron (Conservative)
def. 2010 (Liberal Democrats Coalition): Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2015-2016: Nigel Farage (UKIP) [1]
def. 2015 (UKIP Minority): Ed Miliband (Labour), David Cameron (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2016-2016: Paul Nuttall (UKIP) [2]
2016-20??: Andy Burnham (Labour)
def. 2016: (Liberal Democrats Coalition with SNP supply/confidence): Michael Gove (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Paul Nuttall (UKIP), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Douglas Carswell (Libertarian)
1- The news hit Britain like fist to the stomach- on the morning of the 8th May 2015, the Conservative Party had been defeated. But not by their old rivals Labour, or their older ones the Liberals. Instead, the defeat of David Cameron, the Coalition, and the Big Society came not at the hands of familiar enemies, but at the hands of a different kind of entity altogether- UKIP. Populist with a capital P, Nigel Farage was positively beaming at the count in his new seat of Thanet South in the early hours of the 8th, declaring boldly that he intended to bring Britain kicking and screaming into its new political reality. Of course, UKIP failed to cross the line- the Conservatives, for all their faults, held their heads above the water at some 126 seats. With only 288, UKIP were undoubtedly the largest party in Parliament- and one with a membership of barely any experience outside of the European Parliament and County Councils- but were a minority of some 38 seats. Still, this did not deter Farage, and after several days of frigid and bitter coalition talks, he was able to wrangle a working agreement with the Conservative Party. Not anything official- Cameron and Osborne were blunt to their smug opponent he would get nothing out of them or their successors- but Farage would wrangle around 40 Tory backbenchers who could be relied upon to abstain or vote with the new Government. And so a Government was formed.
As a famous passage in a history textbook would put it so eloquently some years later, the UKIP Government was like a 'new born horse running the grand national'. As noted, there was little experience in the ranks of UKIP, and of the great offices, only the new Chancellor- Mike Reckless- had Parliamentary experience. Diane James and James Carver, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary respectively, had served in the European Parliament, but both had done so for less than a year. Still, they could fall back on the Civil Service, and for guidance at the unexpected victory, they could also fall back on the Manifesto. Setting to work, key pledges, such as those regarding immigration and welfare reform, were implemented. Promises on the NHS were placed on the backburner, with Nuttall- now moved to the Health Ministry- given a fiefdom to experiment. James set forward a rollback on criminal rights, with Carver sending prickly messages to the EU and sticking his nose into the middle east. One of the more surprising moments would come with the recognition of Somaliland. Reckless began amassing the Autumn Statement, and Education would see major restructuring. But for Farage, all this was white noise compared to his white whale: Europe. Upon entering office, he was in a unique position, with the ability to trigger Article 50 at any moment. However, Farage was nothing if not a showman, and tonight was the opening night at the Albert Hall. He wanted to have fun, to mess with Juncker and the Establishment, and to keep people in suspense. He knew when he would personally trigger it, despite some reports, and perhaps, for the sake of his legacy, he should have triggered Article 50 as soon as he he was in No. 10.
Frustrated by the lack of communication between him and the Parliamentary Party with Farage over Article 50, Douglas Carswell sought to outmaneuver the Government by introducing a Private Members Bill for a Referendum on Europe. The social policy faced backlash, and protests of an unprecedented scale across the country, with UKIP's relative left beginning to push back against the parties more extreme social policies as a result. The larger personalities in the party were becoming restless, Reckless undertaking mass economic deregulation, whilst Nuttall, in his capacity as First Secretary, began throwing his weight around. Farage, for his vapid showmanship, pinned everything together, but it was beginning to fray around him as admiration and loyalty turned to resentment and bitterness. Article 50- which he promised would be triggered any day now- was becoming a sticking point, with many now seeing it as more his chance to gloat. An infamous and poor performance by Farage at PMQs would do little to help, with the 40 Conservatives now feeling unnerved by him. UKIP's promise to 'reexamine the Barnett Formula' was about to bite them, hard. Scotland had become bothersome, with the SNP making noises that sounded like a UDI following the Autumn Statement. Farage didn't take kindly to this and sought to punish them, demanding Reckless go further with the rewiring of Barnett. This only pushed the SNP further out, and quickly the situation between Farage and his Scottish counterpart broke down. These issues were only compounded when Tim Aker of the Libertarian wing of the party challenged Farage for the leadership. It was a risky move, and it was clear that Aker was a stalking horse for a bigger candidates, but confident he would win Farage fought. It was the parties referendum on his leadership, and though he won easily, it was not by a comfortable margin. The discontent was clear.
With protests on the street, a Prime Minister who was seen as a smug gloating indecisive, Scotland on the verge of seceding, an economy in the hands of a Thatcherite given free reign, and a leadership challenge that exposed the parties divisions, something had to give. And something did give.
On May 2016, Nigel Farage resigned as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and, in his last official act as Prime Minister, triggered Article 50.
2-Paul Nuttall's leap into the office wasn't a calculated one. Weakened by the leadership contest, it was clear that Farage's cult of personality had worn thin. There were many in Party who still supported him, but he was obviously not up to delivering what he promised, and as loyal as Nuttall was, it was increasingly difficult for him to continue backing him. In the end, Nuttall is ultimately responsible for Farage's resignation. Rumours of a second contest began to brew in March 2016, this time led by Douglas Carswell and his band of Libertarians. Nuttall knew Farage would win, but it wouldn't be a clean victory, and would only serve to undermine the party. At a private meeting, Nuttall informed the embattled Prime Minister that he would be pulling his support and throwing it behind an alternative 'unity candidate', such as Steven Woolfe or Reckless himself. Whilst Farage was angry, nowt was more than sound and fury. He gave in, buoyed by the promise of a peerage. The party was over, and the future was looking somewhat stable once the 'unity' leader was in place. But Nuttall hadn't expected that Farage would trigger Article 50 on his last day. He hadn't expected a phonecall from Steven Woolfe telling him he wouldn't run, and Reckless laughing off the idea. With no other option, he decided to run himself, going against so he ran for the Leadership, against Douglas Carswell and Suzanne Evans as the 'Continuity Farageite'. He trumped them both easily, becoming the new Prime Minister shortly after. But his victory would be soured as, whilst stepping through the doors of Downing Street, he was informed that Carswell had moments earlier split, taking Tim Aker and two dozen MP's into the Libertarian Party.
With his majority reduced, facing the hanging sword of a vote of no confidence, and in dire need to give his party the mandate to handle 'Britiave', Nuttall went to the country. It was a mistake. Swept out of power, Nuttall and UKIP were succeeded by Andy Burnham and Labour, who, in coalition with the Liberal Democrats, promised to "end the madness" and "restore the countries dignity". They couldn't save Britain from leaving, but they could cushion the blow, and for them that was enough. But for UKIP, everything they had accomplished or began was crumbling.
Only time will tell if the party can survive.
I've had too much cider
2010-2015: David Cameron (Conservative)
def. 2010 (Liberal Democrats Coalition): Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2015-2016: Nigel Farage (UKIP) [1]
def. 2015 (UKIP Minority): Ed Miliband (Labour), David Cameron (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2016-2016: Paul Nuttall (UKIP) [2]
2016-20??: Andy Burnham (Labour)
def. 2016: (Liberal Democrats Coalition with SNP supply/confidence): Michael Gove (Conservative), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), Paul Nuttall (UKIP), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Douglas Carswell (Libertarian)
1- The news hit Britain like fist to the stomach- on the morning of the 8th May 2015, the Conservative Party had been defeated. But not by their old rivals Labour, or their older ones the Liberals. Instead, the defeat of David Cameron, the Coalition, and the Big Society came not at the hands of familiar enemies, but at the hands of a different kind of entity altogether- UKIP. Populist with a capital P, Nigel Farage was positively beaming at the count in his new seat of Thanet South in the early hours of the 8th, declaring boldly that he intended to bring Britain kicking and screaming into its new political reality. Of course, UKIP failed to cross the line- the Conservatives, for all their faults, held their heads above the water at some 126 seats. With only 288, UKIP were undoubtedly the largest party in Parliament- and one with a membership of barely any experience outside of the European Parliament and County Councils- but were a minority of some 38 seats. Still, this did not deter Farage, and after several days of frigid and bitter coalition talks, he was able to wrangle a working agreement with the Conservative Party. Not anything official- Cameron and Osborne were blunt to their smug opponent he would get nothing out of them or their successors- but Farage would wrangle around 40 Tory backbenchers who could be relied upon to abstain or vote with the new Government. And so a Government was formed.
As a famous passage in a history textbook would put it so eloquently some years later, the UKIP Government was like a 'new born horse running the grand national'. As noted, there was little experience in the ranks of UKIP, and of the great offices, only the new Chancellor- Mike Reckless- had Parliamentary experience. Diane James and James Carver, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary respectively, had served in the European Parliament, but both had done so for less than a year. Still, they could fall back on the Civil Service, and for guidance at the unexpected victory, they could also fall back on the Manifesto. Setting to work, key pledges, such as those regarding immigration and welfare reform, were implemented. Promises on the NHS were placed on the backburner, with Nuttall- now moved to the Health Ministry- given a fiefdom to experiment. James set forward a rollback on criminal rights, with Carver sending prickly messages to the EU and sticking his nose into the middle east. One of the more surprising moments would come with the recognition of Somaliland. Reckless began amassing the Autumn Statement, and Education would see major restructuring. But for Farage, all this was white noise compared to his white whale: Europe. Upon entering office, he was in a unique position, with the ability to trigger Article 50 at any moment. However, Farage was nothing if not a showman, and tonight was the opening night at the Albert Hall. He wanted to have fun, to mess with Juncker and the Establishment, and to keep people in suspense. He knew when he would personally trigger it, despite some reports, and perhaps, for the sake of his legacy, he should have triggered Article 50 as soon as he he was in No. 10.
Frustrated by the lack of communication between him and the Parliamentary Party with Farage over Article 50, Douglas Carswell sought to outmaneuver the Government by introducing a Private Members Bill for a Referendum on Europe. The social policy faced backlash, and protests of an unprecedented scale across the country, with UKIP's relative left beginning to push back against the parties more extreme social policies as a result. The larger personalities in the party were becoming restless, Reckless undertaking mass economic deregulation, whilst Nuttall, in his capacity as First Secretary, began throwing his weight around. Farage, for his vapid showmanship, pinned everything together, but it was beginning to fray around him as admiration and loyalty turned to resentment and bitterness. Article 50- which he promised would be triggered any day now- was becoming a sticking point, with many now seeing it as more his chance to gloat. An infamous and poor performance by Farage at PMQs would do little to help, with the 40 Conservatives now feeling unnerved by him. UKIP's promise to 'reexamine the Barnett Formula' was about to bite them, hard. Scotland had become bothersome, with the SNP making noises that sounded like a UDI following the Autumn Statement. Farage didn't take kindly to this and sought to punish them, demanding Reckless go further with the rewiring of Barnett. This only pushed the SNP further out, and quickly the situation between Farage and his Scottish counterpart broke down. These issues were only compounded when Tim Aker of the Libertarian wing of the party challenged Farage for the leadership. It was a risky move, and it was clear that Aker was a stalking horse for a bigger candidates, but confident he would win Farage fought. It was the parties referendum on his leadership, and though he won easily, it was not by a comfortable margin. The discontent was clear.
With protests on the street, a Prime Minister who was seen as a smug gloating indecisive, Scotland on the verge of seceding, an economy in the hands of a Thatcherite given free reign, and a leadership challenge that exposed the parties divisions, something had to give. And something did give.
On May 2016, Nigel Farage resigned as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and, in his last official act as Prime Minister, triggered Article 50.
2-Paul Nuttall's leap into the office wasn't a calculated one. Weakened by the leadership contest, it was clear that Farage's cult of personality had worn thin. There were many in Party who still supported him, but he was obviously not up to delivering what he promised, and as loyal as Nuttall was, it was increasingly difficult for him to continue backing him. In the end, Nuttall is ultimately responsible for Farage's resignation. Rumours of a second contest began to brew in March 2016, this time led by Douglas Carswell and his band of Libertarians. Nuttall knew Farage would win, but it wouldn't be a clean victory, and would only serve to undermine the party. At a private meeting, Nuttall informed the embattled Prime Minister that he would be pulling his support and throwing it behind an alternative 'unity candidate', such as Steven Woolfe or Reckless himself. Whilst Farage was angry, nowt was more than sound and fury. He gave in, buoyed by the promise of a peerage. The party was over, and the future was looking somewhat stable once the 'unity' leader was in place. But Nuttall hadn't expected that Farage would trigger Article 50 on his last day. He hadn't expected a phonecall from Steven Woolfe telling him he wouldn't run, and Reckless laughing off the idea. With no other option, he decided to run himself, going against so he ran for the Leadership, against Douglas Carswell and Suzanne Evans as the 'Continuity Farageite'. He trumped them both easily, becoming the new Prime Minister shortly after. But his victory would be soured as, whilst stepping through the doors of Downing Street, he was informed that Carswell had moments earlier split, taking Tim Aker and two dozen MP's into the Libertarian Party.
With his majority reduced, facing the hanging sword of a vote of no confidence, and in dire need to give his party the mandate to handle 'Britiave', Nuttall went to the country. It was a mistake. Swept out of power, Nuttall and UKIP were succeeded by Andy Burnham and Labour, who, in coalition with the Liberal Democrats, promised to "end the madness" and "restore the countries dignity". They couldn't save Britain from leaving, but they could cushion the blow, and for them that was enough. But for UKIP, everything they had accomplished or began was crumbling.
Only time will tell if the party can survive.
Last edited:
You can't even get I've right...
I should have a Guinness and see what I can get up in that regard...
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
Sobering up, I did a quick rewrite to make it a bit more coherent.You can't even get I've right...
I should have a Guinness and see what I can get up in that regard...
Writing without inhibition is fun, though I should have held off posting until I sobered up.
Mumby - 1_Red_Great_Britain
War Plan Red
1_Red_Great_Britain
1942-1945: Max Aitken, 1st Baron Beaverbrook (National leading Emergency Government with National Conservatives, National Labour and National Liberals)
1945-1947: David Eisenhower (US Military Occupation)
1947-1959: Richard Acland (Common Wealth)
1947 (Popular Front with the Socialist League and Democratic Liberals) def. Bob Boothby (Constitutionalist), ['Worker's Crossbenchers'], Malcolm MacDonald (National Electoral Organisation)
1951 (Popular Front with the Socialist League and Democratic Liberals) def. Anthony Eden (Constitutionalist), [Worker's Crossbenchers], Malcolm MacDonald (National Electoral Organisation)
1955 (Popular Front with the Socialist League and Democratic Liberals) def. Anthony Eden (Constitutionalist), Rab Butler (National Reform), [Worker's Crossbenchers]
1959-1967: Harold Macmillan (Democratic Front)
1959 (Minority with support from some Workers' Crossbenchers) def. Tom Driberg (Common Wealth --- Popular Front), Nye Bevan (Socialist League --- Popular Front), [Workers' Crossbenchers], Megan Lloyd George (Democratic Liberal --- Popular Front)
1964 (Minority) def. Tom Driberg (Common Wealth --- Popular Front), Harold Wilson (Socialist League --- Popular Front), [Workers' Crossbenchers], Megan Lloyd George (Democratic Liberal --- Popular Front)
1967-1975: James L. Callaghan (Common Wealth)
1968 (Popular Front with the Socialist League, Workers' Crossbenchers, and Democratic Liberals) def. vacant (Democratic Front)
1972 (Popular Front with the Socialist League, Workers' Crossbenchers, and Democratic Liberals) def. John Profumo (Democratic Front)
Aitken's crypto-fascist government fell thanks to invasion by the forces of the Western International, led by the United States of America which had turned to Industrial Government after the crises of the 1910s and 20s. The Anglo-Japanese Alliance had ultimately brought the British Empire and the United States to blows and while Aitken had slipped into power and proved a competent war commander, there was little the tired Empire could do against the blooming industrial might of the USA.
In the peace, Eisenhower ruled Britain, as Supreme Commander of the International Legion. Britain became a de facto American protectorate, their fortress in Europe, facing toward the Americans' rivals in the Eastern International. They took the shattered political parties, either discredited by the war or blinking in the sunlight having emerged from under the boot of the Q Brigades, and remoulded them to turn Britain into a model of Industrial Government. The moribund remnants of the Labour Party were merged with the Communists to form the Socialist League, while Common Wealth became the Western International's sword. The more acceptable right-wingers formed the Constitutionalist Party, marking themselves in their opposition to the policies of the Aitken Ministry and also to the shape of the newborn Democratic Commonwealth of Great Britain.
In 1947, civilian government was re-established, and the new Prime Minister eagerly continued the process of establishing American style Industrial Government. The rubble of the old House of Commons was cleared away, and the ruins buttressed with concrete. A memorial garden now stands in the old chamber. The new Parliament was unicameral and sat in what had previously been called the House of Lords. Crossbenchers were appointed, delegates from the worker controlled communes which had been established in the dying days of the Aitken Ministry, from the Armed Forces, and other notable figures. Eisenhower was offered a seat but did not take it.
Industrial Government meant democratic control of industry and with American support, mutualisation of the commanding heights of industry was eagerly supported. The scant web of a welfare state, cut to the bone by the demands of total war by Aitken, was strengthened into a true social safety net, with William Beveridge of the Democratic Liberals forming the pillars of the modern British state. A programme of National Reconstruction, modelled after the United States' own Blue Eagle Scheme, was pursued leading to rebuilding of Britain's bombed cities, and the modernisation of a rail network torn by Resistance saboteurs and American GIs. Hundreds of thousands of homes were built, in the new model of Neighbourhood Collectives.
The Opposition was weak, but was strengthening, especially as the Nationals reformed and then formed the Democratic Front with the Constitutionalists. They had largely given in to the consensus of Industrial Government, much like the Democratic-Republicans in the United States. They had even given in to accepting the new form of republican government. But they were opposed to the militarisation and overbearing security state. A great deal of British industry had been put to work manufacturing weapons and vessels for the US Navy and the South Coast had been fortified to deter any European invasion. American bases dotted Britain, and 'subversives' were pursued with a fanatical fervour. There was deep paranoia of infiltrators from the 'social fascists' of the Eastern International.
In 1959, the Popular Front lost it's majority and Harold Macmillan was able to win over enough Crossbenchers to maintain power. He enlarged his seat count in 1964, but still didn't manage a majority. While he did not seek to tear down Industrial Government as Tom Driberg had warned, he did try and row Britain out of the American sphere of influence, seeking to bridge the Atlantic divide, opening up diplomatic relations with the French Soviet Republic, and attempting to cut military expenditure. In 1967, it finally proved too much for Washington, who sponsored a coup led by Rear Admiral Callaghan, who cleared out the 'reactionaries' from the Crossbench and refilled it with yes-men. In 1968, he won a clear majority over a leaderless Democratic Front. Macmillan languished in the Tower of London, and the party remained reluctant to forsake him. In 1971, American interference ensured a figure they could control became leader of the Opposition. Industrial Government was safe, for now.
1_Red_Great_Britain
1942-1945: Max Aitken, 1st Baron Beaverbrook (National leading Emergency Government with National Conservatives, National Labour and National Liberals)
1945-1947: David Eisenhower (US Military Occupation)
1947-1959: Richard Acland (Common Wealth)
1947 (Popular Front with the Socialist League and Democratic Liberals) def. Bob Boothby (Constitutionalist), ['Worker's Crossbenchers'], Malcolm MacDonald (National Electoral Organisation)
1951 (Popular Front with the Socialist League and Democratic Liberals) def. Anthony Eden (Constitutionalist), [Worker's Crossbenchers], Malcolm MacDonald (National Electoral Organisation)
1955 (Popular Front with the Socialist League and Democratic Liberals) def. Anthony Eden (Constitutionalist), Rab Butler (National Reform), [Worker's Crossbenchers]
1959-1967: Harold Macmillan (Democratic Front)
1959 (Minority with support from some Workers' Crossbenchers) def. Tom Driberg (Common Wealth --- Popular Front), Nye Bevan (Socialist League --- Popular Front), [Workers' Crossbenchers], Megan Lloyd George (Democratic Liberal --- Popular Front)
1964 (Minority) def. Tom Driberg (Common Wealth --- Popular Front), Harold Wilson (Socialist League --- Popular Front), [Workers' Crossbenchers], Megan Lloyd George (Democratic Liberal --- Popular Front)
1967-1975: James L. Callaghan (Common Wealth)
1968 (Popular Front with the Socialist League, Workers' Crossbenchers, and Democratic Liberals) def. vacant (Democratic Front)
1972 (Popular Front with the Socialist League, Workers' Crossbenchers, and Democratic Liberals) def. John Profumo (Democratic Front)
Aitken's crypto-fascist government fell thanks to invasion by the forces of the Western International, led by the United States of America which had turned to Industrial Government after the crises of the 1910s and 20s. The Anglo-Japanese Alliance had ultimately brought the British Empire and the United States to blows and while Aitken had slipped into power and proved a competent war commander, there was little the tired Empire could do against the blooming industrial might of the USA.
In the peace, Eisenhower ruled Britain, as Supreme Commander of the International Legion. Britain became a de facto American protectorate, their fortress in Europe, facing toward the Americans' rivals in the Eastern International. They took the shattered political parties, either discredited by the war or blinking in the sunlight having emerged from under the boot of the Q Brigades, and remoulded them to turn Britain into a model of Industrial Government. The moribund remnants of the Labour Party were merged with the Communists to form the Socialist League, while Common Wealth became the Western International's sword. The more acceptable right-wingers formed the Constitutionalist Party, marking themselves in their opposition to the policies of the Aitken Ministry and also to the shape of the newborn Democratic Commonwealth of Great Britain.
In 1947, civilian government was re-established, and the new Prime Minister eagerly continued the process of establishing American style Industrial Government. The rubble of the old House of Commons was cleared away, and the ruins buttressed with concrete. A memorial garden now stands in the old chamber. The new Parliament was unicameral and sat in what had previously been called the House of Lords. Crossbenchers were appointed, delegates from the worker controlled communes which had been established in the dying days of the Aitken Ministry, from the Armed Forces, and other notable figures. Eisenhower was offered a seat but did not take it.
Industrial Government meant democratic control of industry and with American support, mutualisation of the commanding heights of industry was eagerly supported. The scant web of a welfare state, cut to the bone by the demands of total war by Aitken, was strengthened into a true social safety net, with William Beveridge of the Democratic Liberals forming the pillars of the modern British state. A programme of National Reconstruction, modelled after the United States' own Blue Eagle Scheme, was pursued leading to rebuilding of Britain's bombed cities, and the modernisation of a rail network torn by Resistance saboteurs and American GIs. Hundreds of thousands of homes were built, in the new model of Neighbourhood Collectives.
The Opposition was weak, but was strengthening, especially as the Nationals reformed and then formed the Democratic Front with the Constitutionalists. They had largely given in to the consensus of Industrial Government, much like the Democratic-Republicans in the United States. They had even given in to accepting the new form of republican government. But they were opposed to the militarisation and overbearing security state. A great deal of British industry had been put to work manufacturing weapons and vessels for the US Navy and the South Coast had been fortified to deter any European invasion. American bases dotted Britain, and 'subversives' were pursued with a fanatical fervour. There was deep paranoia of infiltrators from the 'social fascists' of the Eastern International.
In 1959, the Popular Front lost it's majority and Harold Macmillan was able to win over enough Crossbenchers to maintain power. He enlarged his seat count in 1964, but still didn't manage a majority. While he did not seek to tear down Industrial Government as Tom Driberg had warned, he did try and row Britain out of the American sphere of influence, seeking to bridge the Atlantic divide, opening up diplomatic relations with the French Soviet Republic, and attempting to cut military expenditure. In 1967, it finally proved too much for Washington, who sponsored a coup led by Rear Admiral Callaghan, who cleared out the 'reactionaries' from the Crossbench and refilled it with yes-men. In 1968, he won a clear majority over a leaderless Democratic Front. Macmillan languished in the Tower of London, and the party remained reluctant to forsake him. In 1971, American interference ensured a figure they could control became leader of the Opposition. Industrial Government was safe, for now.
Last edited:
Lilac - Next-In-Line
So for once this is, excitingly enough, an OTL list - all compiled and neatly formatted is a list of, at any given moment, the person who was one life away from the Presidency, be they a Vice President, or a Senator, Cabinet member, or Representative filling in, or, uh, a vacancy.
By all means, feel free to use any of the possibilities that aren't HENRY A WALLACE MAD HENRY A WALLACE SMASH
Next-In-Line
1789-1797: John Adams (Federalist)
1797-1801: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1801-1805: Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
1805-1812: George Clinton† (Democratic-Republican)
1812-1813: William Harris Crawford (Democratic-Republican)
1813-1814: Elbridge Gerry† (Democratic-Republican)
1814-1814: Langdon Cheves (Democratic-Republican)
1814-1817: John Gaillard (Democratic-Republican)
1817-1825: Daniel Tompkins (Democratic-Republican)
1825-1828: John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican)
1828-1832: John C. Calhoun* (Nullifier)
1832-1833: Hugh Lawson White (Democratic)
1833-1837: Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1837-1841: Richard Mentor Johnson (Democratic)
1841-1841: John Tyler^ (Whig)
1841-1842: Samuel L. Southard (Whig)
1842-1845: Willie Person Mangum (Whig)
1845-1849: George M. Dallas (Democratic)
1849-1850: Millard Fillmore^ (Whig)
1850-1850: VACANCY
1850-1852: William R. King (Democratic)
1852-1853: David R. Atchison (Democratic)
1853-1853: William R. King† (Democratic)
1853-1854: David R. Atchison (Democratic)
1854-1854: Lewis Cass (Democratic)
1854-1856: Jesse D. Bright (Democratic)
1856-1856: Charles E. Stuart (Democratic)
1856-1857: Jesse D. Bright (Democratic)
1857-1857: James M. Mason (Democratic)
1857-1861: John C. Breckinridge (Democratic)
1861-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1865: Andrew Johnson^ (National Union)
1865-1867: Lafayette S. Foster (Republican)
1867-1869: Benjamin F. Wade (Republican)
1869-1873: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1873-1875: Henry Wilson† (Republican)
1875-1877: Thomas W. Ferry (Republican)
1877-1881: William A. Wheeler (Republican)
1881-1881: Chester A. Arthur^ (Republican)
1881-1881: VACANCY
1881-1881: Thomas F. Bayard (Democratic)
1881-1885: David Davis (Independent)
1885-1885: Thomas A. Hendricks† (Democratic)
1885-1885: VACANCY
1885-1886: John Sherman (Republican)
1886-1889: Thomas F. Bayard (Democratic)
1889-1893: Levi P. Morton (Republican)
1893-1897: Adlai E. Stevenson I (Democratic)
1897-1899: Garret A. Hobart† (Republican)
1899-1901: John M. Hay (Republican)
1901-1901: Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.^ (Republican)
1901-1905: John M. Hay (Republican)
1905-1909: Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
1909-1912: James S. Sherman† (Republican)
1912-1913: Philander C. Knox (Republican)
1913-1921: Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1921-1923: J. Calvin Coolidge, Jr.^ (Republican)
1923-1925: Charles E. Hughes (Republican)
1925-1929: Charles G. Dawes (Republican)
1929-1933: Charles Curtis (Republican)
1933-1941: John Nance Garner IV (Democratic)
1941-1945: Henry A. Wallace (Democratic)
1945-1945: Harry S. Truman^ (Democratic)
1945-1945: Edward R. Stettinius, Jr. (Democratic)
1945-1945: Henry Morgenthau, Jr. (Democratic)
1945-1947: James F. Byrnes, Jr. (Democratic)
1947-1947: George C. Marshall, Jr. (Nonpartisan)
1947-1949: Joseph William Martin, Jr. (Republican)
1949-1949: Samuel T. Rayburn (Democratic)
1949-1953: Alben W. Barkley (Democratic)
1953-1961: Richard M. Nixon (Republican)
1961-1963: Lyndon B. Johnson^ (Democratic)
1963-1965: John W. McCormack (Democratic)
1965-1969: Hubert H. Humphrey, Jr. (Democratic)
1969-1973: Spiro T. Agnew* (Republican)
1973-1973: Carl B. Albert (Democratic)
1973-1974: Gerald R. Ford^ (Republican)
1974-1974: Carl B. Albert (Democratic)
1974-1977: Nelson A. Rockefeller (Republican)
1977-1981: Walter F. Mondale (Democratic)
1981-1989: George H. W. Bush (Republican)
1989-1993: J. Danforth Quayle (Republican)
1993-2001: Albert A. Gore, Jr. (Democratic)
2001-2009: Richard B. Cheney (Republican)
2009-2017: Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (Democratic)
2017-: Michael R. Pence (Republican)
Sidenotes-
You could include Tip O'Neill, Hastert, and Pelosi in 1985, 2002, and 2007 if you really want (when the presidential disability clause was invoked for a few hours each time) - but even aside from the fact that the VP acting as President would have to die in a ridiculously short period of time - barring a second death the President would have taken over again in a few hours anyway.
A few neat facts-
Youngest: Breckinridge, 36 [Cheves, 38] - Speaker of the House Howell Cobb would be 34 - except that's actually below the age requirement, which is why we have the vacancy for a few days in 1850
Oldest: Barkley, 75 [McCormack, 74]
Absolute Worst: Idk, Calhoun, Atchison, and Tyler all seem absolutely terrible.
Really weird things: George Marshall is freaking up there, as are Charles Evans Hughes and Lewis Cass (both after they lost). Finally - the only person to be both Acting Vice President and Vice President was William R. King, and almost simultaneously - had Fillmore died in late 1852, King would've been Acting President but also Vice President-elect at the same time. Hardly a boost to a man's ego.
By all means, feel free to use any of the possibilities that aren't HENRY A WALLACE MAD HENRY A WALLACE SMASH
Next-In-Line
1789-1797: John Adams (Federalist)
1797-1801: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1801-1805: Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
1805-1812: George Clinton† (Democratic-Republican)
1812-1813: William Harris Crawford (Democratic-Republican)
1813-1814: Elbridge Gerry† (Democratic-Republican)
1814-1814: Langdon Cheves (Democratic-Republican)
1814-1817: John Gaillard (Democratic-Republican)
1817-1825: Daniel Tompkins (Democratic-Republican)
1825-1828: John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican)
1828-1832: John C. Calhoun* (Nullifier)
1832-1833: Hugh Lawson White (Democratic)
1833-1837: Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1837-1841: Richard Mentor Johnson (Democratic)
1841-1841: John Tyler^ (Whig)
1841-1842: Samuel L. Southard (Whig)
1842-1845: Willie Person Mangum (Whig)
1845-1849: George M. Dallas (Democratic)
1849-1850: Millard Fillmore^ (Whig)
1850-1850: VACANCY
1850-1852: William R. King (Democratic)
1852-1853: David R. Atchison (Democratic)
1853-1853: William R. King† (Democratic)
1853-1854: David R. Atchison (Democratic)
1854-1854: Lewis Cass (Democratic)
1854-1856: Jesse D. Bright (Democratic)
1856-1856: Charles E. Stuart (Democratic)
1856-1857: Jesse D. Bright (Democratic)
1857-1857: James M. Mason (Democratic)
1857-1861: John C. Breckinridge (Democratic)
1861-1865: Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1865-1865: Andrew Johnson^ (National Union)
1865-1867: Lafayette S. Foster (Republican)
1867-1869: Benjamin F. Wade (Republican)
1869-1873: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1873-1875: Henry Wilson† (Republican)
1875-1877: Thomas W. Ferry (Republican)
1877-1881: William A. Wheeler (Republican)
1881-1881: Chester A. Arthur^ (Republican)
1881-1881: VACANCY
1881-1881: Thomas F. Bayard (Democratic)
1881-1885: David Davis (Independent)
1885-1885: Thomas A. Hendricks† (Democratic)
1885-1885: VACANCY
1885-1886: John Sherman (Republican)
1886-1889: Thomas F. Bayard (Democratic)
1889-1893: Levi P. Morton (Republican)
1893-1897: Adlai E. Stevenson I (Democratic)
1897-1899: Garret A. Hobart† (Republican)
1899-1901: John M. Hay (Republican)
1901-1901: Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.^ (Republican)
1901-1905: John M. Hay (Republican)
1905-1909: Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
1909-1912: James S. Sherman† (Republican)
1912-1913: Philander C. Knox (Republican)
1913-1921: Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1921-1923: J. Calvin Coolidge, Jr.^ (Republican)
1923-1925: Charles E. Hughes (Republican)
1925-1929: Charles G. Dawes (Republican)
1929-1933: Charles Curtis (Republican)
1933-1941: John Nance Garner IV (Democratic)
1941-1945: Henry A. Wallace (Democratic)
1945-1945: Harry S. Truman^ (Democratic)
1945-1945: Edward R. Stettinius, Jr. (Democratic)
1945-1945: Henry Morgenthau, Jr. (Democratic)
1945-1947: James F. Byrnes, Jr. (Democratic)
1947-1947: George C. Marshall, Jr. (Nonpartisan)
1947-1949: Joseph William Martin, Jr. (Republican)
1949-1949: Samuel T. Rayburn (Democratic)
1949-1953: Alben W. Barkley (Democratic)
1953-1961: Richard M. Nixon (Republican)
1961-1963: Lyndon B. Johnson^ (Democratic)
1963-1965: John W. McCormack (Democratic)
1965-1969: Hubert H. Humphrey, Jr. (Democratic)
1969-1973: Spiro T. Agnew* (Republican)
1973-1973: Carl B. Albert (Democratic)
1973-1974: Gerald R. Ford^ (Republican)
1974-1974: Carl B. Albert (Democratic)
1974-1977: Nelson A. Rockefeller (Republican)
1977-1981: Walter F. Mondale (Democratic)
1981-1989: George H. W. Bush (Republican)
1989-1993: J. Danforth Quayle (Republican)
1993-2001: Albert A. Gore, Jr. (Democratic)
2001-2009: Richard B. Cheney (Republican)
2009-2017: Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (Democratic)
2017-: Michael R. Pence (Republican)
Sidenotes-
You could include Tip O'Neill, Hastert, and Pelosi in 1985, 2002, and 2007 if you really want (when the presidential disability clause was invoked for a few hours each time) - but even aside from the fact that the VP acting as President would have to die in a ridiculously short period of time - barring a second death the President would have taken over again in a few hours anyway.
A few neat facts-
Youngest: Breckinridge, 36 [Cheves, 38] - Speaker of the House Howell Cobb would be 34 - except that's actually below the age requirement, which is why we have the vacancy for a few days in 1850
Oldest: Barkley, 75 [McCormack, 74]
Absolute Worst: Idk, Calhoun, Atchison, and Tyler all seem absolutely terrible.
Really weird things: George Marshall is freaking up there, as are Charles Evans Hughes and Lewis Cass (both after they lost). Finally - the only person to be both Acting Vice President and Vice President was William R. King, and almost simultaneously - had Fillmore died in late 1852, King would've been Acting President but also Vice President-elect at the same time. Hardly a boost to a man's ego.
- Status