List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Y u no like blessed Macaroni?

Let's see, I'm a Hitchens reader thus I must have a pathological distrust of anything Blair-esque.

Secondly having a group chat with a bunch of people who are obsessed with Macron who constantly post gifs (of him doing mundane things like walking, winking, or literally doing absolutely nothing) and ogle over him and get super defensive of him, has made me very much opposed to the fellow.
 
Let's see, I'm a Hitchens reader thus I must have a pathological distrust of anything Blair-esque.

Secondly having a group chat with a bunch of people who are obsessed with Macron who constantly post gifs (of him doing mundane things like walking, winking, or literally doing absolutely nothing) and ogle over him and get super defensive of him, has made me very much opposed to the fellow.
Aha I was speaking in jest, I'm well aware and fully respect the fact that your political views are totally antithetical to his (and my own as well in many ways).

And oh god I can't imagine anything worse than political fanboying... just be thankful - my girlfriend seemed ready to buy an "I'm with her T-shirt" at one point.
 
Aha I was speaking in jest, I'm well aware and fully respect the fact that your political views are totally antithetical to his (and my own as well in many ways).

And oh god I can't imagine anything worse than political fanboying... just be thankful - my girlfriend seemed ready to buy an "I'm with her T-shirt" at one point.

Yes, I am very much accustomed to being the opposite of political beliefs to most people. I have to say kudos for the choice of Bay for the FN as opposed to either Le Pen. I would have gone with Megret personally. Though Philippe de Villiers is my favourite go to traditionalist conservative French politician (and also latex vampire on Les Guignols.)

It doesn't just stop with that though, there's... stories... that wouldn't look out of place on fanfic.com... I'm saying NO more.
 
Yes, I am very much accustomed to being the opposite of political beliefs to most people. I have to say kudos for the choice of Bay for the FN as opposed to either Le Pen. I would have gone with Megret personally. Though Philippe de Villiers is my favourite go to traditionalist conservative French politician (and also latex vampire on Les Guignols.)

It doesn't just stop with that though, there's... stories... that wouldn't look out of place on fanfic.com... I'm saying NO more.
Ooh also good choices, though I thought Bay worked rather well both for a Marineist successor, and as an "Anti-Macron"!

And oh god... that sort of level of political hero worship always disturbs me somewhat.

And hey, there's nothing wrong with having political views that differ from most... doesn't mean that you're wrong, and I'd much rather interact with a mixture of people than just those with whom I agree.
 
Ooh also good choices, though I thought Bay worked rather well both for a Marineist successor, and as an "Anti-Macron"!

And oh god... that sort of level of political hero worship always disturbs me somewhat.

And hey, there's nothing wrong with having political views that differ from most... doesn't mean that you're wrong, and I'd much rather interact with a mixture of people than just those with whom I agree.

And a good choice at that. Though de Villiers isn't really a FN sort, he's more a traditionalist conservative Catholic (I wonder why I like him... :p)

Yes, I completely agree with you there.

Hear hear, better than an echo chamber (that's why I read the Guardian as well as the Mail - and it isn't just that Roger Scruton occasionally writes in it... :p) plus its nice to debate with people who don't want to shut you up and will give you a fair hearing - something I like to hope that I do in a debate format.
 
And a good choice at that. Though de Villiers isn't really a FN sort, he's more a traditionalist conservative Catholic (I wonder why I like him... :p)

Yes, I completely agree with you there.

Hear hear, better than an echo chamber (that's why I read the Guardian as well as the Mail - and it isn't just that Roger Scruton occasionally writes in it... :p) plus its nice to debate with people who don't want to shut you up and will give you a fair hearing - something I like to hope that I do in a debate format.
I must admit ignorance of much about de Villiers, somill have ot read up on him!

I certainly think you do, and I do something similar - I read the telegraph as well as the Graun, and most of the historians/philosophers whose work I read tend to be fairly right wing... Though I was born to a rural Thatcherite Conservative family, so that might play a role...
 
I must admit ignorance of much about de Villiers, somill have ot read up on him!

I certainly think you do, and I do something similar - I read the telegraph as well as the Graun, and most of the historians/philosophers whose work I read tend to be fairly right wing... Though I was born to a rural Thatcherite Conservative family, so that might play a role...

He's an interesting fellow - he's been called France's Perot, and he is a theme park owner and was a long-serving MEP. His home region is still a fiefdom of his party - the MPF.

Indeed (I do like TAOA despite the last update :p) - goodness a Thatcherite you must be a liberal then.[/superduperright]
 
Turquoise Blue - The Dying of the Light II: American Nightmare (Revised)
The Dying of the Light II: American Nightmare (Revised)
2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican)
2016: def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
- The bombastic billionaire who busted a nation.
2021-2025: Cory Booker (Democratic)
2020: def. Donald Trump (Republican), Evan McMullin (Independent)
- Everything just seemed to go wrong.
2025-2031: Steve Bannon (Republican)**
2024: def. Cory Booker (Democratic), Mindy Finn (Moderate)
2028: def. Ben Sasse (Moderate-Democratic), Tulsi Gabbard (Democratic-Green - write-in)
- We heil, heil, right in Der Präsident's face!
2031-2033: Marco Rubio (Republican/Moderate)
- "Sorry."
2033-2038: Kirsten Gillibrand (Democratic)*
2032: def. Marco Rubio (Moderate), Katrina Pierson (Republican)
2036: def. Ben Sasse (Moderate), Hamilton Sinclair (Republican), Elise Stefanik (Values)
- Stability. Just when America needed it.
2038-2045: Damien Reyes (Democratic/Democratic Labor)
2040: def. Zia Skywalker (Moderate), Bill Markley (Republican), Justin O'Neill (Business)
- Labor is superior to Capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
2045-2057: Silvestre Lyon (Independent-Moderate-Business/Progressive)*
2044: def. Damien Reyes (Democratic Labor), Al Hogg (Republican)
2048: def. April Halloway (Democratic Labor), Ed Tyler (Republican)
2052: def. Eliza Astudillo (Democratic Labor), Bobbi Baker ("Constitutional" Progressive), Tom Ricks (Republican), Frank West (Anti-Zombie)
2056: def. Tonie Luther (Democratic Labor-"Constitutional" Progressive), Will Ryan (Republican)
- The Great Moderate Hope, at long last. Wait, what's coming out of the ground... RUN!!!
2057-2061: Harriet Howlin (Progressive)
- Who?
2061-2069: Tonie Luther (Democratic Labor)
2060: def. Harriet Howlin (Progressive), Will Ryan (Republican), Job Stevens (Undead Synthesis - write-in)
2064: def. Silvestre Lyon, Jr. (Progressive), Dylan Markley (Republican)
- The dealmaker who dealt a good hand.
2069-2071: Ray Ronalds (Progressive)***
2068: def. India Levesque (Democratic Labor), Tristan Trump (Republican)
- The snake oil salesman who met a grisly fate.
2071-2094: Jerry Brown (Happiness and Prosperity - Moonbeam dictatorship)***
2072: unopposed
2076: unopposed
2080: unopposed
2084: unopposed
2088: unopposed
2092: unopposed
- My name is Jerry Brown, my aura always smiles and never frowns!
2094-2096: Margaret Chamberlain (Independent - British Transitional President)
- So this is how the revolution is undone, to thunderous applause.
2096-2104: Zellie Mallott (Democratic Progressive)
2095: def. Dylan Estevez (Labor), Praise-God Laverne (Faith)
2099: def. Tammy Persil (Labor), Loyalty Smith (Faith)
- Architect of a hopeful future.
2104-2108: Remember Winters (Faith)
2103: def. Sam Bliss (Democratic Progressive), Jane Doe (Labor)
- An austere figure that made America sad.
2108-2116: Zy Chandler (Democratic Progressive)
2107: def. Remember Winters (Faith), Meredith Lee (Labor), Ni'awtu (Green)
2111: def. Fear-God Miller (Faith), Liyanin (Green-Labor)
- Returning the favour to Mother Britain.
2116-2124: Quentin H. Quackenbush VII (Independent-Democratic Progressive)
2115: def. Niwina (Union), Nazareth Winters (Faith)
2119: def. Byron Burgers (Independent Democrat), Mawey (Union), Lovejoy Thomas (Faith)
- A modern-day Dwight Eisenhower!
2124-2136: Holden Caulfield (Democratic Progressive/New Democratic)*
2123: def. Jubilation Mellon (Faith), Marali (Union), Quentin H. Quackenbush VIII (Independent - write-in)
2127: def. Amity Proudheart (Faith), Yerik (Union)
2131: def. Talia Garamandi (Progressive), Humiliation Schmidt (Faith), Amiryat (Union)
2135: def. John Ashton (Progressive), Dany Breckenridge (Localist), Silence Calley (Faith), Teylar (Union)
- People always clap for the wrong things.
2136-2140: Felicity Stone (New Democratic)
- The calm before the storm.
2140-2143: Azaliah Buchanan (Faith-Localist)***
2139: def. Dwayne Camacho (Independent-Progressive), Felicity Stone (New Democratic), Niwina (Union), Tom Sawyer (The River)
- We had plenty warning, and we still elected her.
2143-2145: Jack Ripper (Military) [Date noted here is collapse of USA. Ripper continued on as President of rump USA up to their resignation in 2151]
- The End.
 
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Россия

Are the Social Revolutionaries/Narodniki still a force in Russian politics in this scenario? With Dora Kaplan succeeding in her assassination of Lenin, I assume they're probably persecuted as a terrorist group under all governments? Or do they form the radical left-wing of Narodnyy Truda?
 
Are the Social Revolutionaries/Narodniki still a force in Russian politics in this scenario? With Dora Kaplan succeeding in her assassination of Lenin, I assume they're probably persecuted as a terrorist group under all governments? Or do they form the radical left-wing of Narodnyy Truda?
They're pretty much terrorists, yeah.
 
Россия

TSARS OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE (1919 - present)


1919 - 1929: HIM Nicholas III (Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov)
1929 - present: HIM Cyril I (Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov)


PRIME MINISTERS OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE (1919 - 1939)

1917 - 1923: Alexander Kerensky (Trudovik)
1923 - 1923: Alexis Aladin (Trudovik)
1923 - 1925: Alexis Aladin (Trudovik-Konstitutsionno-Demokraticheskaya-Narodnyy Truda coalition)

1923: Vladimir Purishkevich (Soyuz Russkogo Naroda); Pavel Milyukov (Konstitutsionno-Demokraticheskaya); Alexander Martynov (Narodnyy Truda); Sergei Bulgakov (Khristianskaya Partiya); Grigori Sokolnikov (illegal)
1925 - 1932: Vladimir Purishkevich (SRN majority)
1925: Pavel Milyukov (K-D); Alexis Aladin (Trudovik); Alexander Martynov (NT); Sergei Bulgakov (KP); Nikolay Vasilyevich Ustryalov (Natsional'noye Respublikanskoye Dvizheniye Rodiny)
1932: Pavel Milyukov (K-D); Fyodor Dan (NT); Nikolay Vasilyevich Ustryalov (NRDR); Alexis Aladin (Trudovik)
1932 - 1934: Vladimir Purishkevich (SRN-NRDR coalition)
1934 - 1935: Andrei Shingarev (K-D minority with NT supply and confidence)

1934: Alexander Lvovich Kazembek and Mikhail Diterikhs (NRDR-SRN); Fyodor Dan (NT)
1935 - 1939: Alexander Lvovich Kazembek (NRDR-SRN majority)
1935 (February): Andrei Shingarev (K-D); Fyodor Dan (NT)
1935 (June): Andrei Shingarev (K-D); Fyodor Dan (NT)


VOZHDS OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE (1939 - present)

1939 - present: Alexander Lvovich Kazembek (NRDR-SRN)
1939: none (NRDR-SRN sole legal party)

PARTIES

Trudovik - Labour (center-left, reformist)
Soyuz Russkogo Naroda - Union of the Russian People (rightist to far-rightist, monarchist)
Konstitutsionno-Demokraticheskaya - Constitutional Democrats / Cadets (center-left, reformist)
Narodnyy Truda - People's Labour (left, socialist)
Khristianskaya Partiya - Christian Party (single-issue, clerical)
Natsional'noye Respublikanskoye Dvizheniye Rodiny - National Republican Motherland Front (far-right, monarchist, revanchist, fascist)

With Fanny Kaplan's assassination of Lenin in 1917, the nascent Soviets were dealt a blow that they could not recover from. Without Lenin, they quickly began infighting, allowing the way to be paved for the Provisional Government, under Alexander Kerensky, to emerge victorious. To repair relations with the more rightist groups that had helped him defeat the Soviets, Kerensky invited Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich to assume the throne as a constitutional monarch, in the British model.

Kerensky, despite his promise to continue the war effort, was ultimately unable to do so, and ultimately, Russia emerged as one of the losers following the Treaty of Versailles. Kerensky's party, the Trudoviks (Labour), moderate, pro-government socialists, were blamed for the loss. Come the first Imperial General Election, held in 1923, the Trudoviks, who, after Kerensky's resignation from the Premiership that year, so that he might have a peaceful retirement, were now led by the other leader of the Trudoviks, Alexis Aladin. The Trudoviks were unable to hold their majority in 1923, although they remained the governing party. Still, Aladin had to take the Konstitutsionno-Demokraticheskaya (Constitutional Democrats, also known as the Cadets), and the moderate Mensehviks, who had formed Narodnyy Truda (the People's Labour Party), into coalition to preserve a majority against the rightist Soyuz Russkogo Naroda (Union of the Russian People), led by the notoriously reactionary Vladimir Purishkevich, a former leader of the Black Hundreds, who had helped to orchestrate the death of Rasputin.

By 1925, when Aladin held new elections, he knew that the Trudoviks would suffer, and suffer they did - their former coalition partners, the more moderate Cadets, surpassed them in seat count. With the Trudoviks damaged permanently, and the Cadets damaged in popular opinion because of their time in coalition with the now-unpopular Trudoviks, Purishkevich's KSR soon grew to a narrow majority in the Duma, which, although narrow, was still very much a workable one. Meanwhile, the fascistic Natsional'noye Respublikanskoye Dvizheniye Rodiny (National Republican Motherland Front), led by the charismatic Nikolay Vasilyevich Ustryalov, began to gain a few seats in the Duma. Their revanchist, anti-Semitic, and fascist politics, far in excess of even the URN, made them something for the leftist and moderate parties to fear, but they were too small to be taken seriously.

Even if he was hated by practically everyone who was not a member of the SRN, Purishkevich led Russia. He infamously met with President Leonard Wood in 1925, and the two leaders, unified by a mutual hatred of communism, formed an alliance to oppose the German communist state "in perpetuity, with the American and Russian peoples the best of friends." Meanwhile, as anti-Semitism grew in the Empire, the "Old Man," Tsar Nicholas III, died in 1929, at the age of 72. The Empire mourned, and, inasmuch as Nicholas had no children, the heir apparent was Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich, who took the regnal name Cyril I. While Nicholas had been fairly apolitical, Cyril was in support of the rightist parties in the Duma.

In 1932, a brief recession turned into a great depression, and Prime Minister Purishkevich was forced to call an election. The always-narrow SRN majority was finally lost, but, at the Tsar's suggestion, Purishkevich asked Ustryalov's NRDR to form a formal coalition with his government, so that he might maintain his majority. Finding a great deal in common with the Prime Minister, Ustryalov agreed to the offer. Still, the coalition government was met with many difficulties, and Purishkevich held another election two years later. Purishkevich, wishing to retire, made a deal with the new, youthful, and extremely charismatic leader of the NRDR, Alexander Lvovich Kazembek, to enter into "permanent coalition" - in essence, the two parties would become one, with the NRDR led by Kazembek, and the SRN led by Mikhail Diterikhs, a former general who had long been Purishkevich's presumptive successor.

Pledging a Russian version of President George Dern's Great Reform, which was helping the United States recover from the depression, the Cadets, led by old warhorse Andrei Shingarev, narrowly got into government, with supply and confidence from Fyodor Dan's Narodnyy Truda. The NRDR-SRN, now led solely by Kazembek, became more and more militant, and with a brief downturn in the economy, Shingarev was forced to hold another election.

The NRDR-SRN, vocally supported by Cyril I, swept into power, with Kazembek pledging a return to the old ways of "Pravoslavie, Samoderzhavie i Narodnost" - Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and National Character. Kazembek held two elections in quick succession to soften up the two remaining parties in the Duma, the Cadets and Narodnyy Truda, so that the NRDR-SRN would have the necessary majority to declare all other parties illegal. In 1939, Kazembek declared himself Vozhd, or Leader, for life.

It has often been remarked that Russia has always had an autocrat to rule her, and, indeed, as blackshirts perform the Roman salute to the countless portraits of the Tsar and the Vozhd, this could not be truer.

I could snip the text, but I could also cite a Rembrandt without showing the painting to go with it -- neither does much good. So you managed to take a moment out of the most literary TL currently running in post-1900 (I'll never look at ketchup the same way again) to just casually toss off a richly conceived -- all these plausible names and outcomes, there are actual gangs of TL writers saying "but what about a Fascist Russia interwar?" frantically scribbling all this down as I write this -- descent of the Revolution into a Vozhd-rodina (just a little Slavic pun there) just for kicks. You're going places. And those places are always worth reading.

I'd love to see this get crossed with @spookyscaryskeletons' "Britain in Europe in the Thirties" list, this would brew up a hell of a World War II, with Chancellor Von Lettow-Vorbeck (sips an Oban and lets that sink in) deploying the Reichswehr alongside the Armee du Vistula under Weygand to old "gallant Poland"; German reinforcements backing Dubceck and the Czech fortresses against the deal-with-the-devil alliance of Dolfuss and Horthy; Admiral Darlan planning a "decisive clash" with the Regia Marina to clear the way to conquer Libya from the west; Royal Navy and Norwegian surface ships trying to keep Russian submarines out of the North Atlantic and away from the Canadian convoys of food and troops headed for Britain and Tromso; Churchill back at the Admiralty sending the bulk of the Home Fleet round the Cape to help the Dutch and French defend southeast Asia from Japan and plotting ways to help the Turks defend the Bosporus against Russian and Bulgarian onslaught; the BEF sent to "brave little Finland" under guard of German and Danish warships; the Indian Army and the Royal Kurdish Rifles (second only to the Gurkhas, the British officers say) cutting off the Armya Vozhda in the Zagros Mountains as the Persians crumble, keeping them away from the Gulf; British units in India opening a second front against Thailand in their war with France; and London raising a conscript force to take Sicily and Sardinia while the Chasseurs Alpins force their way through the mountains from Provence.... And President Roosevelt mobilizing to defend Attu and Kiska from Russian assault while the Atlantic fleet passes through Panama to join in a titanic thrust against the IJN on the open waters of the central Pacific as National Guard-manned divisions mass on the West Coast for a liberating assault on the Philippines.... Always a pleasure when worlds are rich enough but also teasing enough to open doors to other worlds.
 
And I would like to particularly compliment @Cevolian and @Gonzo (yes, really) on the quality of their French-presidential discussion. Learned a lot, picked up some great new names (trying to figure out a progression of French presidents in the background of a TL I'm designing and just learned a hell of a lot.) Any thoughts on Hubert Vedrine building an alliance of compromise RPR-style (only on the left) with Chevenement? Very interesting implications if it's modulated Euroskepticism (just enough Europe to keep the "hyperpower" at bay but run in large part by a strong France) on the Left and civil war between integrationism and white-nationalist national separatism on the Right.
 
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And I would like to particularly compliment @Cevolian and @Gonzo (yes, really) on the quality of their French-presidential discussion. Learned a lot, picked up some great new names (trying to figure out a progression of French presidents in the background of a TL I'm designing and just learned a hell of a lot. Any thoughts on Hubert Vedrine building an alliance of compromise RPR-style (only on the left) with Chevenement? Very interesting implications if it's modulated Euroskepticism (just enough Europe to keep the "hyperpower" at bay but run in large part by a strong France) on the Left and civil war between integrationism and white-nationalist national separatism on the Right.
Oh thank you very much, I must admit I'm still only at "novice" stage when it comes to French Politics/History but I speak some French so I've been able to learn a lot from French Wikipedia as well as English sources :coldsweat: that sounds interesting, though I'm not quite sure as to who the apprprouate figures might be. What sort of timeframe is the TL set in, out of interest?
 
Oh thank you very much, I must admit I'm still only at "novice" stage when it comes to French Politics/History but I speak some French so I've been able to learn a lot from French Wikipedia as well as English sources :coldsweat: that sounds interesting, though I'm not quite sure as to who the apprprouate figures might be. What sort of timeframe is the TL set in, out of interest?
Seventies to nearly the present. I'm most particularly interested in points farther distant from the POD (late Nineties, Aughts, and tipping just on beyond as a taster.) I liked the discussions about an appropriate analogue for a certain vulgar tangerine that was subjected to radiation experiments... And getting a sense of the FN beyond it being the Le Pen family business was revealing for me.
 
I could snip the text, but I could also cite a Rembrandt without showing the painting to go with it -- neither does much good. So you managed to take a moment out of the most literary TL currently running in post-1900 (I'll never look at ketchup the same way again) to just casually toss off a richly conceived -- all these plausible names and outcomes, there are actual gangs of TL writers saying "but what about a Fascist Russia interwar?" frantically scribbling all this down as I write this -- descent of the Revolution into a Vozhd-rodina (just a little Slavic pun there) just for kicks. You're going places. And those places are always worth reading.
That's an incredibly nice thing to say.
 
That's an incredibly nice thing to say.

You're very kind. It is entirely accurate. That's some big frickin' range between "what is Chuck Colson's Hunter S. Thompsonesque internal monologue like?" to "Who is the Russian Hitler?" There are genuinely talented AH writers of real worth who can't pull off that kind of gear change. And it's some serious red meat (or quorn, I don't judge) for the AH.com nerd herd that deserves acknowledgement.
 
Mr. E - It Did Happen Here
This was in part inspired by @Komodo 's excellent Shared Games concept "Risen From the Ruins" (which can be seen here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...on-game-proposal-planning-game-thread.400387/) , with a Wold Newton twist to it.

It Did Happen Here:


1937-1940: Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip/ Perley Beecroft (The American Corporate State and Patriotic Party or "Corporatist", formerly Democratic)

1936 def. Franklin D. Roosevelt/ John Nance Garner (Jeffersonian), Senator Walter Trowbridge/ Charles Foster Kane (Republican)

1940-: Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip /NONE (Corporatist)
1940-: Lee Sarason/ NONE (Corporatist)
1941-1953: Gen. Dewey Haik/ OFFICE ABOLISHED [1]
1953-1957: John Iselin[2]
1957-1963: Br. Gen. John D. Ripper [3]
1963-1978: Commander Nicholas J. Fury[4]
1978-1984: Napoleon Solo[5]
1984-1987: Admiral Burt Manusco [6]

1987-1991: Fmr. Br. Gen. Frank Hummel ("Transitional") [7]
1991-1996: Andrew Shepard/ Leo McGarry (Jeffersonian Democratic)[8]

1990 def. Jack Ryan/ Nathan Jessup (American Legion), Jay Bulworth/Max Frost (Socialist Worker's USA), Russell Kramer/ Biff Tannen (Liberal)
1996-2001: Jackson Evans/ Max Frost (Jeffersonian- Socialist Worker's Coalition)[9]
1995 def. Jack Ryan/ John Rambo (American Legion), Alexander Luthor/ Sheldon Runyon (Liberal)
2001-2006: Tony Stark/ Dave Kovic (Liberal) (Endorsed by the American Legion Party)[10]
2000 def. Lonnie Machin/ Josiah Barlett (Socialist Worker's-Jeffersonian coalition)
2006-2011: Josiah Barlett/Stuart Smiley(Progressive Alliance of America) [11]
2005 def. Glen Allen Walken/ F. Thomas Grant (National Party)
2011-2017: Mackenzie Allen/Jack Bauer (National Party)[12]
2010 def. Oliver Queen/ Jenny Trout (Progressive Alliance)

[1] Dewey Haik made two decisions important to his eventual victory. He decided against a planned invasion of Mexico thanks to the advice of fellow military men, and had dissenting general Emmanuel Coon and his supporters executed due to their attempted defection. Thus, the civil war was decisively won by General Haik after a few years. Haik codified the dictatorship, eliminating the Senate and the office of Vice-President (instead having the President point to a specific successor before his death), made the Corporatist Party the only legal party and merging the military and government apparatus with it to form a single party state, and delaying elections to battle "The Communist threat". Meanwhile, the Soviets, after a grueling battle on the Eastern Front, managed to turn the Nazi tide, and marched into Berlin. Soon, it would have dominance over most of Europe, with the exception of American ally Britain, under the control of Hugh Drummound and the British Union of Fascists. However, the USSR became democratic after Stalin's suspicious death in the 1938, with it establishing socialist democracies in its sphere of influence, including former fascist nations of Italy, Germany, Spain, and Portugal. Haik would respond by launching coups through out the Americas, in ordinance with the Monroe Doctrine. Soon, the USSR and the USA would have their own spheres of dominance (helped by the Washington-Tokyo accords of 1946, adding Japan and its sphere of influence into an American alliance), starting off the Cold War. Dewey Haik would also establish the heavily protectionist, autarky policies which put the United States interests as paramount, essentially cutting it and its sphere of influence off from the rest of the world. Before his death, he would prove his military might (and the eventual weaknesses of the American military) during the Brazilian Civil War, where the Americans helped the Brazilian army defeat Soviet backed communist rebels

[2] In an attempt to legitimize the dictatorship in civilian eyes, Haik named Corpo Congressman John Iselin as his successor. Upon Haik's death, Iselin began more aggressive policies against internal dissidents, and strengthened the corporatist structure. However, he also begins to reach a detente with the USSR, and begins negotiations for arms reductions. Many in the Party fear that he is a Soviet plant meant to gain the trust of the leadership, and weaken US defense to ensure a socialist takeover. Thus, several military leaders conspired to have Iselin removed from office. This plan was put into action in May of 1957, when, in a parallel of Haik's rise to power, men under the lead of Brigadier General John D. Ripper stormed the White House, and has Iselin's stepson Raymond Shaw kill Iselin, and his wife Eleanor.

[3] Ripper is seen as the most brutal of the dictators following Haik. He put the country into a state of emergency, where any and all dissent was repressed, and a police state was established (where, among other things, water was filtered of fluoride) with the Minute Men having carte blanche to ensure the peace by any means necessary . He also reversed the arms reduction, and had his personal scientist Dr. Merkwürdigeliebe construct a series of Cobalt bombs called the "Doomsday Device," which could be automatically activated if the Soviets tried to bomb the country. An incident brought this into full force, when an error in communication led to a Soviet plane moving out to bomb the US. Ripper was totally intent on having the Doomsday Device activated, despite the fact it would render life on Earth uninhabitable. Ultimately, after military advisors failed to convince Ripper to step down (and the Soviet Premier realizing the mistake, and having the planes recalled, nullifying the incident), Commander Nick Fury of the Office of Strategic Services took matters into his own hands, and had Ripper's personal plane secretly destroyed over the Atlantic, and proclaimed himself Ripper's successor.

[4] Fury had a struggle to maintain his position. He managed to defeat an attempted coup by Ripper-loyalist faction of the Army led by Air Force General James Mattoon Scott. After years of repression and build-up, former intelligence commander Fury toned down the dictatorship. He loosened the borders, allowing opponents of the regime like Kilgore Trout and Max Thingmaker to escape to safer climes. He restored certain minority and women rights, and allowed them for the first time, to participate in the government, and reigned in the Minute Men after the excesses of the Ripper regime. He also privatized several nationalized corporations and reduced the power of several syndicates, in order to jumpstart the moribund economy. He also continued Iselin's arms reduction policy, and reached a breakthrough with the Arms Reduction Agreement of 1964. Whatever achievements he may have had early on were undone through the Indochina War. Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh, backed by the USSR and the People's Republic of India, began to attack the Japanese backed Empire of Vietnam, dragging Japan and eventually the US into a prolonged conflict. Despite Fury's insistence of an easy victory, it turned into a prolonged conflict lasting 10 years, resulting in many deaths on both sides. With reports of deaths being covered up slowly trickling into the US, despite the efforts of the State backed Press, an opposition is resparked, led by longtime rebel newspaper, the The Vermont Vigilance. Ultimately, Japan and the US withdrew, causing the Empire to collapse, and a new Communist state in rise in former Indochina in 1971. This set off a series of rebellions and revolts in the Empire of Japan, with Thailand, Occupied China, the Philippines, Formosa, and Korea falling to internal dissent. Eventually, Japan itself fell to democratic forces in 1978, striking a fatal blow to America's global presence. Fury was forced to expend forces to put down similar revolts in Central America and Britain, causing worldwide condemnation and an economic downturn, which would grow worse after Fury's death in 1978.

[5] Fury successor was another OSS man, Napoleon Solo. The Solo regime was the beginning of the end for the Corporatist reign in the US, as Solo proved to be an ineffectual leader in all senses of the word, and could not handle the growing problems, especially with each passing day, the fall of the Military dictatorships the Corpos had built up over the years in Central and South America. Of all the rebellions occuring in the aftermath of the Indochina defeat, the most persistent was Cuba, whose military dictatorship was fighting a longtime insurgency by the Castro brothers. Solo pouring in more and more forces onto the island caused even more economic problems, and discontent grew, especially with body bags coming in at night. Worst, like Indochina, there was no end in sight, with the Castros eluding American capture. The biggest blow came in 1984, when Naval analyst Jack Ryan, disillusioned with the regime and the growing deaths across the world, defected to Canada with American military secrets. This created such a firestorm, that Solo was the victim of a coup due to his supposed lackluster response.

[6] Naval Admiral Burt Manusco's ascension to power was overshadowed by the outbreak of Civil War. Former Brigadier General Frank Hummel (who was also disillusioned following his experiences in Indochina and Cuba, and helped Ryan with gaining the military secrets) seized Alcatraz Federal Concentration Camp in San Francisco with a group of other soldiers and dissenters called "the Emmanuel Coon Army", and declared war on the Corporatist regime, proclaiming they will restore democracy. Their cause is helped by other defecting military figures, and civilian rebellions which grow too numerous to put down. Manusco realized his lost cause, and brought Hummel and his supporters to the negotiation table. In 1987, 50 years to the day Buzz Windrip was first elected, Admiral Manusco announced he will be stepping down, to Hummel.

[7] Frank Hummel's first act was to withdraw from Cuba and from all foreign locations. His second act was to formally outlaw t
he American Corporate State and Patriotic Party and the Minute Men, and relegalize all other political ideologies. The third act was to announce a constitutional convention to restore the long warped constitution, and bring back democracy. After a year long struggle, a constitution, mostly resembling the pre- "Forgotten Men" constitution, came into being. It retained the unitary house structure, but restored the office of Vice-President, and had the President serve only one five year term. After getting through the details, the first election was announced in 1990, where Hummel will step out from power to make way for the new President.

[8] The first free election in 54 years was won by Andrew Shepard, who had led the Jeffersonian Democratic Party through its final years underground, and Leo McGarry, underground union organizer and president of the outlawed Congress of Industrial Organizations. They defeated opponents including Jack Ryan (who formed a political organization representing the reformist democratic military faction who advocated building up new military forces (with a focus on democratic nation-building), whose campaign was undone upon revelations of running mate Nathan Jessup's various improprieties during his service), longtime socialist activists and political prisoners Jay Bulworth and Max Frost, and Corpo Congressman turned opponent of the regime Russell Kramer (whose running mate, businessman Biff Tannen, had his own rumors of financial misdoings.) The Shepard administration destroyed the remaining elements of corporatism, and fully restored the rights of every citizen. They also reestablished the social safety net and created new environmental protections, after years of pollution and industrialization running amok.

[9]Seeing common goals, the Jeffersonian and Socialists announced a joint ticket, with longtime Jeffersonian leader Jackson Evans and socialist activist Max Frost (an underground musician who had led a series of socialist led revolts in the late 60's, resulting in his torture by the Minute Men, and his incarceration in Alcatraz) as the ticket, which won out (partially because of Alexander Luthor controversial comments). They continued Shepard's policies, and also, with the help of the USSR, encouraged the fall of the final dictatorships. Cuba had democracy come in 1996, and Mexico (who had avoided invasion by Haik early on, only to fall later after Haik recovered military strength) was restored to democracy in 1998. Despite these successes, partisan fatigue began, and with an economic downturn, prospect weren't high for the newly formed Jeffersonian-Socialist coalition.

[10] Businessman Tony Stark and congressman Dave Kovic were the first Liberal Presidents. Jack Ryan, realizing, despite his own record as a whistleblower, that his party was slowly being contaminated by Corpo remnants, endorsed Stark as a bringer of true liberal change. Stark privatized the remaining nationalized corporations, destroying the last major part of the Corpo regime. However, a number of these companies soon went bankrupt, resulting in a worse economic crisis. Stark's poor handling of the crisis caused controversy with both the Progressive Alliance of America (the new name of the merged Jeffersonian Democratic and Socialist Workers Parties), and the Liberal Brass.

[11] Despite the merging of the Liberal and American Legion parties to compete with the PAA, Nobel Prize winner and longtime exiled economist Josiah Barlett won out, and won the hearts and minds of the public (even political enemies), by managing to create economic growth, fixing the worst economic crisis since the restoration of Democracy, and by his apt handling of the Las Vegas Nuclear Meltdown. He also reached an historic agreement to the English Civil War (where, after the fall of the US backed Fascist dictatorship, Scottish, Welsh, English, and Irish Nationalists battled over the remnants of the United Kingdom), and helped find a revived "League of Nations" with the USSR, India, and Japan.

[12] The first female President, Allen was also the first of the National Party, (defeating progressive businessman Olivier Queen and Socialist singer Jenny Trout (daughter of exiled writer Kilgore Trout), and espoused conservative policies, rolling back government social programs and encouraging free enterprise and free trade. Her administration also saw the legalization of gay marriage, and of marijuana. However, she also has to contend with a growing Islamicist threat in North Africa, which has been attacking American outposts in the region, and the League of Nations is attempting to find a way to combat it. Will the US take go into this direction or remain isolationist?
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Joshua Ben Ari - I Don't Even Know, Man...
I don't even know, man...

35. 1961-1969: Richard M. Nixon (Republican)
1960: John F. Kennedy / Stuart Symington (Democratic)
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson / Sam Yorty (Democratic), Strom Thurmond / Ross Barnett (States' Rights Democratic)

36. 1969-1973: William Scranton (Republican)
1968: Pat Brown / John W. Reynolds (Democratic), Strom Thurmond / Ross Barnett (States' Rights Democratic)
37. 1973-1981: John R. "Johnny" Cash (Democratic)
1972: William Scranton / Robert Finch (Republican), Ross Barnett / Lester Maddox (States' Rights Democratic)
1976: John Danforth / Elliot Richardson (Republican), John C. Stennis / George Smathers (States' Rights Democratic)

38. 1981-1989: Edward Brooke (Republican)
1980: John Glenn / Hugh Carey (Democratic)
1984: Robert F. Kennedy / Bob Kerrey (Democratic)

39. 1989-1997: John Glenn (Democratic)
1988: Elliot Richardson / George Deukmejian (Republican)
1992: Nancy Kassebaum / John McCain (Republican)

40. 1997-2001: Pete Wilson (Republican)
1996: Bob Kerrey / Tom Harkin (Democratic)
41. 2001-2009: Tom Harkin (Democratic)
2000: Pete Wilson / John Sununu (Republican)
2004: Joseph R. Biden / John Kasich (Republican)

42. 2009-2013: Evan Bayh (Democratic)
2008: John Kasich / Rob Portman (Republican)
43. 2013-2021: Susan Collins (Republican)
2012: Evan Bayh / Chris Dodd (Democratic)
2016: Andrew Cuomo / John Hickenlooper (Democratic)

44. 2021-incumbent: Rob Portman (Republican)
2020: John Hickenlooper / Joseph P. Kennedy III (Democratic)
 
dw93 - Dewey Defeats Truman
Dewey Defeats Truman:

33. Harry Truman/ Vacant (Democratic): 1945-1949

34.
Thomas Dewey/ Earl Warren (Republican): 1949-1953

Def. 1948:
Harry Truman/ Alben Barkley (Democratic), Strom Thurmond/ Fielding L. Wright (Dixiecrat)


35.
Estes Kefauver/ Adlai Stevenson II (Democratic): 1953-1961

Def. 1952:
Thomas Dewey/ Earl Warren (Republican)
Def. 1956: Earl Warren/ Everett Dirksen (Republican)


36.
Richard Nixon/ Thurston B. Morton (Republican): 1961-1969

Def. 1960:
Adlai Stevenson II/ Stuart Symington (Democratic), Strom Thurmond/ Harry Byrd (Dixiecrat)
Def. 1964: John Kennedy/ George Smathers (Democratic), Harry Byrd/ George Wallace (Dixiecrat)


37. Lyndon Johnson*/ Hubert Humphrey (Democratic): 1969-1971

Def. 1968: Barry Goldwater/ George Romney (Republican)

38.
Hubert Humphrey/ Vacant (Democratic): 1971-1973
38. Hubert Humphrey/ Al Gore Sr. (Democratic): 1973-1977

Def. 1972:
Nelson Rockefeller/ Gerald Ford


39. Bob Dole/ John Anderson (Republican): 1977-1981

Def. 1976: George McGovern/ Jimmy Carter (Democratic)

40. Ted Kennedy/ Reubin Askew (Democratic); 1981-1989

Def. 1980: Bob Dole/ John Anderson (Republican)
Def. 1984: George Bush/ Jack Kemp (Republican)


41. Paul Laxalt/ Howard Baker (Republican): 1989-1997

Def. 1988: Reubin Askew/ Gary Hart (Democratic)
Def. 1992: Walter Mondale/ Dick Gephardt (Democratic)


42. Howard Baker**/ Pete Wilson (Republican): 1997-2001

Def. 1996: Evan Bayh/ Joe Biden (Democratic)

43. Paul Wellstone***/ Bill Clinton (Democratic): 2001-2001

Def. 2000. Pete Wilson/ Tommy Thompson (Republican)

44. Bill Clinton/ Vacant (Democratic): 2001-2002
44. Bill Clinton/ Russ Feingold (Democratic): 2002-2009

Def. 2004: Elizabeth Dole/ Tom Ridge (Republican)

45. Russ Feingold/ John Kennedy Jr. (Democratic): 2009-2013

Def. 2008: John McCain/ Mike Huckabee (Republican)

46. Jeb Bush/ George Allen (Republican): 2013-present

Def. 2012: Russ Feingold/ John Kennedy Jr. (Democratic)
Def. 2016: John Kennedy Jr./ Mark Warner (Democratic)


*= Died of a Heart Attack in July 1971
**= Declined to Seek Re election in 2000
***= Assassinated in December 2001







 
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The Lightweight Is Not For Turning

Kind of tapped for ideas rn so this is probably fairly barebones.

2015-2026: Justin Trudeau (Liberal) [1]

2015: Stephen Harper (Conservative), Thomas Mulcair (NDP), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois), Elizabeth May (Green)
2018: Kevin O'Leary (Conservative), Guy Caron (NDP), Martine Oullet (Bloc Québécois), Elizabeth May (Green), Michael Chong (Independent Progressive)
2022 (minority): Lisa Raitt (Conservative), Peter Stoffer (NDP), Martine Oullet (Bloc Québécois)
2025 (minority): Patrick Brown (Conservative), Niki Ashton (NDP), Martine Oullet (Bloc Québécois)

2026-2027: Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal) [2]
2027-: Ben Mulroney (Conservative)

2027: Dominic LeBlanc (Liberal), Niki Ashton (NDP), Jean-Luc Rambouillet (Bloc Québécois), Stefan Blakely (New)

[1]: Trudeau's government is buoyed by the election of the bombastic businessman Kevin O'Leary as leader of the Canadian Tories. Over time, the oil and steel industries receive a bump thanks to the construction of the Keystone Pipeline, furthering a Canadian Economic Miracle and assisting Trudeau just in time for the 2018 election, which he wins rather handily against a flustered Conservative party and a weakened NDP. The Bloc makes minor gains, but are far from double digit numbers. Trudeau also spends a good deal of time securing a trade deal with the rising Chinese state, sensing that the USA's budgetary crisis was near. In an effort to boost the tech sector and invite Silicon Valley regulars, Trudeau cuts corporation tax further and makes some effort at deregulation. Climate change remains a serious issue, but after dropping the carbon tax, Trudeau finds that little can be done aside from encouraging strong environmental standards for business via tax credits and setting far away deadlines for lowered carbon usage. A strong campaign by the resurgent Conservatives, now lead by Lisa Raitt, sees Trudeau whittled down to a minority. He is familiar with parliamentary arithmetic by now and pushes through proposals like universal daycare and an increased minimum wage to placate the NDP, which suffered badly at the election as a result of a shift to the right under Stoffer. The third ministry sees electoral reform introduced in Quebec by a PLQ government as AV passes by a narrow margin, as well as the inflaming of tensions in Venezuela. Trudeau's plans to send troops to the coastline to protect villagers are met with harsh reception by the opposition, and protests are made at a meeting of him and President Cuban (nicknamed 'Mini O'Leary' in private). Shortly after winning another sharply reduced minority government against a reinvigorated Tory party (led by former Ontario premier Patrick Brown), Trudeau resigns in part because of a failed plan to freeze energy prices which incites a party rebellion.
[2]: Party Stalwart Finance Minister Dominic LeBlanc sees off a number of challenges, including those from Andrew Leslie, Richard Diamond, and Judy Foote, in what is a testy leadership contest that quickly evolves into a referendum on Trudeau's legacy. In spite of his French heritage, LeBlanc wobbles on the matter of Quebec when he rejects negotiating the repeal of the clean energy tax credit. He also faces embarrassment after a watered down equivalent of the price freeze is voted down in the Commons. Choosing to recoup his losses and potentially gain a mandate for leadership, LeBlanc made the poor decision of calling an election. He would be in for an incredibly tough fight. Bad dealings and scandals dogged the campaign throughout, and the Conservatives (who had recently elected the extremely telegenic Ben Mulroney, himself elected in a by election around 2020, leader) had every possible card come up for them. The 2027 was another watershed in Quebecois nationalism, as the Bloc won two dozen seats at the expense of the Liberals, who came close to tieing with Niki Ashton's NDP in terms of seat count. Now, it would appear that it is the Tories who get to have their time in the 'sun', as it were.
 
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