I feel like the Federal Council would be much less "interesting" in a two-party system.
Interesting idea though, and a welcome break from the standard American fare.
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Interesting idea though, and a welcome break from the standard American fare.
Ding ding ding... Don Pardo will now tell you what you won. Hayes to Harding. (Back when I was a child in one of the throw-a-rock-hit-a-liberal-arts-college towns in Ohio the tourist brochures were still big on calling the state "The Cradle of Presidents".) Shucks, I was rather proud of Bradley: in his day (like Wilson) the most noted Democrat representing New Jersey but born out of state (Bradley in Missouri, Wilson Virginia) and indelibly tied to Princeton University (its most famous basketball star rather than university president, but still.) Powell is one of the stretches (though he's from New York City in a home where he grew up listening to "foreign" accents -- Caribbean in his case rather than the Dutch still spoken in TR's boyhood home) and since this TL stretches for a while maybe he gets to be a little more hero-y rather than just well-connected-at-the-White-House-y and runs for office sooner, but you're right that he was one of the "ehhhh, we'll have to go with him." I'm actually a particular fan of the Salmon/Arthur analogy: both born in a small town in Vermont, both second-tier pols who ride a state office to a lucky unlucky break, both competent but not extraordinary men who decide four years is enough for them thanks very much. That and Glenn as Garfield (looking back over his solid but modest legislative career and tepid presidential campaign it's hard to remember how much promise was attached to his entry into politics back in the Seventies.)
ETA: Well, Glenn and Bob Taft Jr. as Benjamin Harrison -- ideologue scion of a political family comes in and mucks things up enough people want his defeated predecessor back.
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I would initially think that Kasich would be a better McKinley than Voinovich, except that Kasich's "nice guy" image is largely a fabrication and a product of his late presidential campaign.
The best modern McKinley, IMO, would be a cross between Rob Portman (Ohioan known for his stance on trade) and Bob Dole (veteran and humble nice guy).
Cevolian - HEALING WITH HEALEY
HEALING WITH HEALEY
You have nowhere else to go...
You have nowhere else to go...
1979-1984: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1984-1985: Denis Healey (Labour)
1984: (Majority) def - Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), David Steel (Liberal), Arthur Scargill (Coal Not Dole)
1985-1985: David Owen (Wartime National Government with Labour, Conservatives and Liberals)
1985-1989: David Owen (Labour Majority)
1989-1998: Francis Pym (Conservative)
1989: (Majority) def - David Owen (Labour), David Steel (Liberal), Eric Heffer (Rally of the Left - "Socialist" Labour/Coal Not Dole)
1993: (Majority) def - Neil Kinnock (Labour), Alex Carlile (Liberal), Michael Meacher (The Left)
1998-0000: Peter Mandelson (Labour)
1998: (Minority with Liberal and SDLP Confidence and Supply) def - Francis Pym (Conservative), Jeremy Ashdown (Liberal), Margaret Beckett (The Left)
1980: Denis Healey wins the Labour leadership contest.
1981: Argentine plans to invade the Falklands are temporarily shelved.
1984: With inflation and unemployment soaring, Healey beats Thatcher despite Scargill's left wing splinter.
1985: Argentina invades the Falklands after defence cuts.
1985: Healey resigns and David Owen (who had resigned over the defence cuts) leads a national government, which oversees Britain's defeat.
1989: After losing the Falklands and with the entire left of the party having broken away, Pym's moderate Conservatives win in a landslide.
1998: Mandelson modernises the Labour Party, and wins a plurality at the general election, forming a minority government.
(I feel as if there is more to do with this, but I'm not sure yet...)
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Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
1924-1930: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative majority)1924: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), H.H. Asquith (Liberal)
1929: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1930-1931: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative majority)
1931-1935: George Lansbury (Labour majority)
1931: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative), John Simon (Liberal), Albert Inkpin (Communist)
1935-1940: Arthur Greenwood (Labour majority)
1936: Neville Chamberlain (Conservative), John Simon (Liberal), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1940-1940: Arthur Greenwood (Labour leading War Government with Conservative and Liberal)
1940-1941: Walter Elliot (Conservative leading War Government with Labour and Liberal)
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (Nazi occupation era)
1941-1942: Charles Vane-Tempest-Stewart, 7th Marquess of Londonderry (Conservative leading Peace Government with National Labour, 'Peace' Liberal and National Action)1942-1947: Archibald Maule Ramsay (National Action leading Peace Government with Conservative and National Labour)
1947-1949: Archibald Maule Ramsay (National Action majority)
1947: Unopposed
1949-1957: Harry St John Philby (National Action majority)
1952: Unopposed
1957-1957: Maxwell Knight (National Action majority)
1957: Unopposed
Chairman of the Provisional Government of Great Britain
1957-1959: Philip Noel-Baker (Labour leading Popular Front with Constitutionalist, Alliance for Liberty, Scottish National and Communist)Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Great Britain
1959-1964: Victor Rothschild (Labour-Scottish National-Communist coalition)1959: David Eccles (Constitutionalist), Oliver Smedley (AfL), Arthur Donaldson (Scottish National), John Gollan (Communist)
1964-1970: Victor Rothschild (Labour majority)
1964: Randolph Churchill (Constitutionalist), Oliver Smedley (AfL), Arthur Donaldson (Scottish National), Denis Healey (Communist)
1968: Randolph Churchill (Constitutionalist), Jo Grimond (AfL), Denis Healey (Communist), Arthur Donaldson (Scottish National)
1970-1972: Sidney Greene (Labour majority)
1972-1974: Angus Maude (Constitutionalist minority)
1972: Sidney Greene (Labour), Jo Grimond (AfL), Christopher Hill (Communist)
1974-1977: David Ennals (Labour-AfL coalition)
1974: Angus Maude (Constitutionalist), Michael Winstanley (AfL), Christopher Hill (Communist)
1977-1985: Jim Prior (Constitutionalist majority)
1977: David Ennals (Labour), Michael Winstanley (AfL), Ken Gill (Communist)
1982: Norman Willis (Labour), John Hoskyns (Liberty), Ken Gill (Communist), Dick Taverne (Social Liberal)
1985-: Peter Vanneck (Constitutionalist majority)
1986: Norman Willis (Labour), John Hoskyns (Liberty), Ken Gill (Communist), Dick Taverne (Social Liberal)
1990: Brenda Dean (Labour), Geoffrey Howe (Liberty), Arthur Scargill (Communist), Mick Ashdown (Social Liberal)
President of the Commonwealth of Great Britain
1959-1964: Herbert Bowden (Labour)1959: Derick Heathcoat-Amory (Constitutionalist), Selwyn Lloyd (AfL), Rajani Palme Dutt (Communist)
1964-1974: Quintin Hogg (Constitutionalist)
1964: Herbert Bowden (Labour), Selwyn Lloyd (AfL), Vic Feather (Communist)
1969: Frank Cousins (Labour), Vic Feather (Communist)
1974-1979: Peter Parker (Labour)
1974: John Cordle (Constitutionalist), Peter Thorneycroft (AfL), Hugh Scanlon (Communist)
1979-1989: Henry Plumb (Constitutionalist)
1979: Peter Parker (Labour), Alfred Sherman (AfL), Christopher Hill (Communist)
1984: Judith Hart (Labour/Social Liberal), Norris McWhirter (Liberty), Ted Parkinson (Communist)
1989-: Bruce Millan (Labour/Social Liberal)
1989: Ian Gow (Constitutionalist), Norris McWhirter (Liberty), Ted Parkinson (Communist)
Peyton - Reform Party Forever
1992: Ross Perot/Jerry Brown (Independent)
Def: Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democrat), George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle (Republican)
1996: Ross Perot/Jerry Brown (Reform)
Def: Mario Cuomo/Joe Biden (D), Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (R)
2000: Donald Trump/Colin Powell (Reform)
Def: Howard Dean/John Kerry (Democrat), George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (Republican)
2004: Donald Trump/Colin Powell (Reform)
Def: Bill Weld/John Kasich (Republican), Joe Biden/John Kerry (Democrat)
2008: Ron Paul/Jon Huntsman Jr. (Reform)
Def: Barack Obama/Bernie Sanders (Democrat), Herman Cain/Michele Bachmann (Republican)
2012: Bernie Sanders/Rocky Anderson (Democrat)
Def: Ron Paul/Jon Huntsman Jr. (Reform), John McCain/Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2016: Bernie Sanders/Rocky Anderson (Democrat)
Def: Jesse Ventura/Rand Paul (Reform), Gary Johnson/Mitt Romney (Republican)
2020: Alex Jones/Jesse Ventura (Reform)
Def: Rocky Anderson/Tulsi Gabbard (Democrat), Evan McMullin/Bill Weld (Republican)
Def: Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democrat), George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle (Republican)
1996: Ross Perot/Jerry Brown (Reform)
Def: Mario Cuomo/Joe Biden (D), Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (R)
2000: Donald Trump/Colin Powell (Reform)
Def: Howard Dean/John Kerry (Democrat), George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (Republican)
2004: Donald Trump/Colin Powell (Reform)
Def: Bill Weld/John Kasich (Republican), Joe Biden/John Kerry (Democrat)
2008: Ron Paul/Jon Huntsman Jr. (Reform)
Def: Barack Obama/Bernie Sanders (Democrat), Herman Cain/Michele Bachmann (Republican)
2012: Bernie Sanders/Rocky Anderson (Democrat)
Def: Ron Paul/Jon Huntsman Jr. (Reform), John McCain/Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2016: Bernie Sanders/Rocky Anderson (Democrat)
Def: Jesse Ventura/Rand Paul (Reform), Gary Johnson/Mitt Romney (Republican)
2020: Alex Jones/Jesse Ventura (Reform)
Def: Rocky Anderson/Tulsi Gabbard (Democrat), Evan McMullin/Bill Weld (Republican)
Yes - The Cabana of Presidents: Florida Gets its Day in the Sun
The Cabana of Presidents: Florida Gets its Day in the Sun
Inspired both by family connections to the place and a recent thread where someone noted Florida's the largest state per population not to have produced a president yet.
John F. Kennedy (D-MA)*/George Smathers (D-FL) 1961-63
1960 Def. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA)
Sometimes Chaos Theory has placed your little personal mote of possibility in a mighty stream with a tendency to run in one direction, and that can suck. Suck, and have consequences. For example , when you have also chosen a significantly different Vice President than you might have, the bromance may be strong but the policy implications run even deeper.
George Smathers (D-FL)/Philip A. Hart (D-MI) 1963-69
1964 def. Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ)/John Bricker (R-OH)
Being pushed by blood, and events (dear boy, events), and mighty legislative and public pressure into a Voting Rights Act is not a great way to stay buds with your old fellow segregationists. Likewise getting eyeball deep in Southeast Asia tends not to endear you to liberals. And even when you are just that handsome, this leaves you very few places to go…
George Romney* (R-MI)/Paul Fannin (R-AZ) 1969-72
1968 def. George Smathers (D-FL)/Philip A. Hart (D-MI)
Sometimes the quality of your life is defined by the nature of your enemies. When Birchers and the National Review come after you for disengaging from Vietnam you’re off to a decent start. When Southern grandees in the Senate fulminate about your raft of civil rights legislation you’ve gone from strength to strength. And when you take a bullet from a Klansman because of your sweeping national initiative to get Americans to live in the same neighborhoods regardless of skin color you’ll be buried on the side of the angels but that does leave things in the hands of your right-wing Vice President.
Paul Fannin (R-AZ)/Mark O. Hatfield (R-OR) 1972-77**
1972 def. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) George C. Wallace (AIP-AL)/Lester Maddox (AIP-GA)
Getting elected on a dead man’s coattails is one thing; it’s been done. Having to borrow the electoral votes to do it from a deal with a venomous little white-nationalist hobgoblin is another, especially when you have to talk your liberal integrationist running mate into not resigning over the deal. A stock market slump, dicing with the chance of nuclear war in the Middle East, and the mother of all oil price shocks tend not to help. Especially not in a West Wing caught up in battles between your reformist VP and your own New Right inclinations.
Reubin O’D. Askew (D-FL)/Birch Bayh (D-IN) 1977-85
1976 def. Paul Fannin (R-AZ)/Mark O. Hatfield (R-OR)
1980 def. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA)/Howard H. Baker Jr. (R-TN)
When the designated Kennedy is having a permanent sulk, and the Hump (and a rival Southern governor’s dear mother) has late-stage cancer, there’s room for a sincere, effective reformer with a sonorous drawl, who cleaned up one of the most corrupt states in the country, and who can run on his record as “the anti-Smathers.” And when you’re not indecisive overseas and care visibly about Americans’ jobs and paychecks not just the content of their souls, you can even eke out reelection against the New Right’s greatest salesman since Professor Harold Hill…
Paul D. Laxalt (R-NV)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) 1985-93
1984 def. Birch Bayh (D-IN)/James Earl “Jimmy” Carter (D-GA)
1988 def. William J. “Bill” Clinton (D-AR)/John H. Glenn Jr. (D-OH)
You get very little credit for putting the economy to rights when it has mostly sucked during your boss' second term. Likewise promises to be Real Men™ with the Soviets and of ponies trickling down from the economic heights sound good to a public that wants its ponies now, dammit. Also running for reelection against a charismatic young opponent who has … significant zipper issues in front of a ravenous press corps is good for job security.
Mario Cuomo+ (D-NY)/Robert “Bob” Graham (D-FL) 1993-97
Robert “Bob” Graham (D-FL)/Gary Hart (D-CO) 1997-2001
1992 def. Jack F. Kemp (R-NY)/Trent Lott (R-MS)
1996 def. J. Danforth “Dan” Quayle (R-IN)/Fife Symington (R-AZ)
It’s rather nice to know there’s still some room for old-fashioned liberals in the modern Democratic Party, especially when a weak economy helps them into office. When they end up resigning months into their second term over improprieties in the handling of their son’s convictions for insider trading and cocaine possession, and over possible shady real estate deals back in their home state, it’s good to have a safe pair of hands into which you can pass the affairs of state, even if those safe hands are stodgy and constantly fiddling with that damned appointment book of his…
John E. “Jeb” Bush (R-FL)/Dirk Kempthorne (R-ID) 2001-09
2000 def. Robert “Bob” Graham (D-FL)/Gary Hart (D-CO) Ron Dellums/ (G-CA)Ralph Nader (G-NY)
2004 def. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)/Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS)
Getting shanked from the left in the race for electoral votes sucks, even when the left has a point about dodgy trade deals. And electing a pair of smiling, handsome CEO-types is a good way to get suburbanites to indulge their worst instincts while still feeling good about themselves. Pro tip: if you want to run a principled campaign to unseat said CEO-types, 1) get someone with charisma not just heart and brains, and 2) try not to have to swim against a bubble boom the other side claims credit for.
Cecile Richards (D-TX)/Harvey Gantt (D-NC) 2009-17
2008 def. Dirk Kempthorne (R-ID)/Christine Todd Whitman (R-NJ)
2012 def. Steven “Steve” Largent (R-OK)/Jan Brewer (R-AZ)
Want to know how to elect a woman and a black man at the same time in American politics? Make the entire banking system go BOOOOOOM and, under a veil of pretty language, only bail out the top shareholders. Also helps if the black guy is one of the most graceful and resilient men in American politics, and the woman inherited her mother’s killer instinct and has brass ones the size of small moons. Trying some actual wealth redistribution and job creation, and running for reelection against a ticket of legit cray-cray, can contribute too.
Willard “Mitt” Romney (R-MA)/Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL) 2017-
2016 def. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (D-NY)/John F. Kerry (D-MA)
Being the tall, chiseled son of a martyred president is useful, especially if before you went into politics you were a leveraged-buyout vulture who picked the bones of hapless companies. Latino outreach is a smooth move as well in 21st century America, even if the reach is a little to the right of Genghis Khan, as is giving the opposition’s primary voters enough purity rope to hoist themselves by it.
*=assassinated
**=hung Electoral College settled by bargaining prior to the Electors' vote
+=resigned
Inspired both by family connections to the place and a recent thread where someone noted Florida's the largest state per population not to have produced a president yet.
John F. Kennedy (D-MA)*/George Smathers (D-FL) 1961-63
1960 Def. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA)
Sometimes Chaos Theory has placed your little personal mote of possibility in a mighty stream with a tendency to run in one direction, and that can suck. Suck, and have consequences. For example , when you have also chosen a significantly different Vice President than you might have, the bromance may be strong but the policy implications run even deeper.
George Smathers (D-FL)/Philip A. Hart (D-MI) 1963-69
1964 def. Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ)/John Bricker (R-OH)
Being pushed by blood, and events (dear boy, events), and mighty legislative and public pressure into a Voting Rights Act is not a great way to stay buds with your old fellow segregationists. Likewise getting eyeball deep in Southeast Asia tends not to endear you to liberals. And even when you are just that handsome, this leaves you very few places to go…
George Romney* (R-MI)/Paul Fannin (R-AZ) 1969-72
1968 def. George Smathers (D-FL)/Philip A. Hart (D-MI)
Sometimes the quality of your life is defined by the nature of your enemies. When Birchers and the National Review come after you for disengaging from Vietnam you’re off to a decent start. When Southern grandees in the Senate fulminate about your raft of civil rights legislation you’ve gone from strength to strength. And when you take a bullet from a Klansman because of your sweeping national initiative to get Americans to live in the same neighborhoods regardless of skin color you’ll be buried on the side of the angels but that does leave things in the hands of your right-wing Vice President.
Paul Fannin (R-AZ)/Mark O. Hatfield (R-OR) 1972-77**
1972 def. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) George C. Wallace (AIP-AL)/Lester Maddox (AIP-GA)
Getting elected on a dead man’s coattails is one thing; it’s been done. Having to borrow the electoral votes to do it from a deal with a venomous little white-nationalist hobgoblin is another, especially when you have to talk your liberal integrationist running mate into not resigning over the deal. A stock market slump, dicing with the chance of nuclear war in the Middle East, and the mother of all oil price shocks tend not to help. Especially not in a West Wing caught up in battles between your reformist VP and your own New Right inclinations.
Reubin O’D. Askew (D-FL)/Birch Bayh (D-IN) 1977-85
1976 def. Paul Fannin (R-AZ)/Mark O. Hatfield (R-OR)
1980 def. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA)/Howard H. Baker Jr. (R-TN)
When the designated Kennedy is having a permanent sulk, and the Hump (and a rival Southern governor’s dear mother) has late-stage cancer, there’s room for a sincere, effective reformer with a sonorous drawl, who cleaned up one of the most corrupt states in the country, and who can run on his record as “the anti-Smathers.” And when you’re not indecisive overseas and care visibly about Americans’ jobs and paychecks not just the content of their souls, you can even eke out reelection against the New Right’s greatest salesman since Professor Harold Hill…
Paul D. Laxalt (R-NV)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) 1985-93
1984 def. Birch Bayh (D-IN)/James Earl “Jimmy” Carter (D-GA)
1988 def. William J. “Bill” Clinton (D-AR)/John H. Glenn Jr. (D-OH)
You get very little credit for putting the economy to rights when it has mostly sucked during your boss' second term. Likewise promises to be Real Men™ with the Soviets and of ponies trickling down from the economic heights sound good to a public that wants its ponies now, dammit. Also running for reelection against a charismatic young opponent who has … significant zipper issues in front of a ravenous press corps is good for job security.
Mario Cuomo+ (D-NY)/Robert “Bob” Graham (D-FL) 1993-97
Robert “Bob” Graham (D-FL)/Gary Hart (D-CO) 1997-2001
1992 def. Jack F. Kemp (R-NY)/Trent Lott (R-MS)
1996 def. J. Danforth “Dan” Quayle (R-IN)/Fife Symington (R-AZ)
It’s rather nice to know there’s still some room for old-fashioned liberals in the modern Democratic Party, especially when a weak economy helps them into office. When they end up resigning months into their second term over improprieties in the handling of their son’s convictions for insider trading and cocaine possession, and over possible shady real estate deals back in their home state, it’s good to have a safe pair of hands into which you can pass the affairs of state, even if those safe hands are stodgy and constantly fiddling with that damned appointment book of his…
John E. “Jeb” Bush (R-FL)/Dirk Kempthorne (R-ID) 2001-09
2000 def. Robert “Bob” Graham (D-FL)/Gary Hart (D-CO) Ron Dellums/ (G-CA)Ralph Nader (G-NY)
2004 def. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)/Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS)
Getting shanked from the left in the race for electoral votes sucks, even when the left has a point about dodgy trade deals. And electing a pair of smiling, handsome CEO-types is a good way to get suburbanites to indulge their worst instincts while still feeling good about themselves. Pro tip: if you want to run a principled campaign to unseat said CEO-types, 1) get someone with charisma not just heart and brains, and 2) try not to have to swim against a bubble boom the other side claims credit for.
Cecile Richards (D-TX)/Harvey Gantt (D-NC) 2009-17
2008 def. Dirk Kempthorne (R-ID)/Christine Todd Whitman (R-NJ)
2012 def. Steven “Steve” Largent (R-OK)/Jan Brewer (R-AZ)
Want to know how to elect a woman and a black man at the same time in American politics? Make the entire banking system go BOOOOOOM and, under a veil of pretty language, only bail out the top shareholders. Also helps if the black guy is one of the most graceful and resilient men in American politics, and the woman inherited her mother’s killer instinct and has brass ones the size of small moons. Trying some actual wealth redistribution and job creation, and running for reelection against a ticket of legit cray-cray, can contribute too.
Willard “Mitt” Romney (R-MA)/Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL) 2017-
2016 def. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (D-NY)/John F. Kerry (D-MA)
Being the tall, chiseled son of a martyred president is useful, especially if before you went into politics you were a leveraged-buyout vulture who picked the bones of hapless companies. Latino outreach is a smooth move as well in 21st century America, even if the reach is a little to the right of Genghis Khan, as is giving the opposition’s primary voters enough purity rope to hoist themselves by it.
*=assassinated
**=hung Electoral College settled by bargaining prior to the Electors' vote
+=resigned
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Suddenly a corpulent, seventy-something, tangerine man-baby behind the Resolute desk doesn't seem so bad, does he? (No, though, he totally does, this is just the Infinite Improbability Drive's way of reminding us it can always get worse...)
Sithlent - Washington Wouldn't, Grant Couldn't, and Roosevelt Shouldn't: I'm Against a Lifelong Term
Washington Wouldn't, Grant Couldn't, and Roosevelt Shouldn't: I'm Against a Lifelong Term
(1933–1941): Franklin D. Roosevelt / John Nance Garner (Democratic)
1932: Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936: Alf Landon / Frank Knox (Republican)
(1941–1945): Franklin D. Roosevelt / Henry A. Wallace (Democratic)
1940: Wendell Willkie / Charles L. McNary (Republican)
(1945–1953): Franklin D. Roosevelt / Harry S. Truman (Democratic)
1944: Thomas E. Dewey / John W. Bricker (Republican)
1948: Thomas E. Dewey / Earl Warren (Republican), Henry A. Wallace / Claude Pepper (Independent Democrats)
(1953–1954†): Franklin D. Roosevelt / W. Averell Harriman (National Liberty)
1952: Harry S. Truman / Frank Lausche (Democratic), Earl Warren / Robert A. Taft (Republican)
(1954–1957): W. Averell Harriman / None (National Liberty)
(1957–1961): Wayne Morse / J. William Fulbright (Republican/Democratic)
1956: W. Averell Harriman / Estes Kefauver (National Liberty), Happy Chandler / J. William Fulbright (Democratic)
It's currently a WIP but the basic premise is that FDR continues to run for the Presidency until his party collapses under his leadership and he dies in 1955 infamously known as the man who destroyed the modern Democratic Party.
(1933–1941): Franklin D. Roosevelt / John Nance Garner (Democratic)
1932: Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936: Alf Landon / Frank Knox (Republican)
(1941–1945): Franklin D. Roosevelt / Henry A. Wallace (Democratic)
1940: Wendell Willkie / Charles L. McNary (Republican)
(1945–1953): Franklin D. Roosevelt / Harry S. Truman (Democratic)
1944: Thomas E. Dewey / John W. Bricker (Republican)
1948: Thomas E. Dewey / Earl Warren (Republican), Henry A. Wallace / Claude Pepper (Independent Democrats)
(1953–1954†): Franklin D. Roosevelt / W. Averell Harriman (National Liberty)
1952: Harry S. Truman / Frank Lausche (Democratic), Earl Warren / Robert A. Taft (Republican)
(1954–1957): W. Averell Harriman / None (National Liberty)
(1957–1961): Wayne Morse / J. William Fulbright (Republican/Democratic)
1956: W. Averell Harriman / Estes Kefauver (National Liberty), Happy Chandler / J. William Fulbright (Democratic)
It's currently a WIP but the basic premise is that FDR continues to run for the Presidency until his party collapses under his leadership and he dies in 1955 infamously known as the man who destroyed the modern Democratic Party.
Why? What have our lords and masters from the constellation Draconis told you lately?
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Hands Reversed
(Complementary Brit PM list to follow)
* - resigned
Presidents of the United States
41. (1989-1997) Robert J. "Bob" Dole (GOP-KS) [1]
Vice President
44. (1989-1997) James A. Baker III (GOP-TX)
1988 def. Michael S. Dukakis / Lloyd M. Bentsen (DEM-MA/TX)
1992 def. Mario M. Cuomo / Zell B. Miller (DEM-NY/GA)
42. (1997-2005) Joseph I. Lieberman (DEM-CT) [2]
Vice Presidents
45. (1997-2001) Robert J. "Bob" Miller (DEM-NV)
46. (2001-2005) William H. Frist (GOP-TN) [3]
1996 def. Robert W. "Bob" Kasten / Daniel R. Coats (GOP-WI/IN), Lido A. "Lee" Iacocca / John F. Akers (REF-CA/MA) [3]
2000 def. John E. "Jeb" Bush / William H. Frist (GOP-FL/TN), Lee Iacocca / Patrick J. Buchanan (REF-CA/VA) [3]
43. (2005-2009) E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown (DEM-CA) [4]
Vice President
47. (2005-2009) Theodore Strickland (DEM-OH)
2004 def. Thomas D. DeLay / John R. "Jock" McKernan (GOP-TX/ME)
44. (2009-2016) Mark S. Kirk (GOP-IL)* [5]
Vice Presidents
48. (2009-2015) Jeffry L. Flake (GOP-AZ)* [6]
49. (2015-2016) Susan M. Collins (GOP-ME) [6]
2008 def. E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown / Theodore Strickland (DEM-CA/OH)
2012 def. Barack H. Obama / Joaquín Castro (DEM-IL/TX)
45. (2016-present) Susan M. Collins (GOP-ME) [7]
Vice President
50. (2017-present) A. Boris d. P. Johnson (GOP-NY) [8]
2016 def. Bernie Sanders / Alan M. Grayson (DEM-VT/FL)
[1] Incontrovertible evidence of Bush the Elder's involvement in Iran-Contra is leaked, putting him out of the contention for the 1988 election. Dole, the new heir to Reagan's throne, wins the primary easily. Dukakis and the Democrats wage a vigorous campaign criticizing the GOP for the whole Iran-Contra affair, but Dole is able to successfully isolate himself from the controversy and win a surprising landslide victory.
[2] Capitalism is victorious in the world and America in the Gulf, but the thorn in Honest Bob's crown was the trade issue. Together with a contentious GOP primary, more ethics scandals, and a rebellion of the populist center and right, the GOP loses in a landslide to Lieberman, a "New" Democrat.
[3] After achieving over a fifth of the vote in 1996, the Reform Party under Lee Iacocca is ready to strike again in 2000, with an aim at victory. For maximum populist appeal, Iacocca campaigns on a promise to institute a national referendum system if elected. The fall election is close, deadlocked, and sent to the House and Senate for a historic compromise. Lieberman and the Democrats retain the Presidency, Frist and the Republicans get the veep slot, and Reform secures the passage of a Referendum Amendment to the Constitution. Unfortunately for Reform, their movement begins to fade with the passage of the Referendum Amendment.
[4] After two defeats with "compassionate conservatives" at the helm, it's time for the doctrinaire wing of the GOP to take back their party and America. However, with the populist conflicts of the 1990s resolved, a continued split in the GOP over the trade issue, and with New Democratic Liebermanism popular in the country, it seems that America just isn't thinking what DeLay and Jock are thinking.
WIP
(Complementary Brit PM list to follow)
* - resigned
Presidents of the United States
41. (1989-1997) Robert J. "Bob" Dole (GOP-KS) [1]
Vice President
44. (1989-1997) James A. Baker III (GOP-TX)
1988 def. Michael S. Dukakis / Lloyd M. Bentsen (DEM-MA/TX)
1992 def. Mario M. Cuomo / Zell B. Miller (DEM-NY/GA)
42. (1997-2005) Joseph I. Lieberman (DEM-CT) [2]
Vice Presidents
45. (1997-2001) Robert J. "Bob" Miller (DEM-NV)
46. (2001-2005) William H. Frist (GOP-TN) [3]
1996 def. Robert W. "Bob" Kasten / Daniel R. Coats (GOP-WI/IN), Lido A. "Lee" Iacocca / John F. Akers (REF-CA/MA) [3]
2000 def. John E. "Jeb" Bush / William H. Frist (GOP-FL/TN), Lee Iacocca / Patrick J. Buchanan (REF-CA/VA) [3]
43. (2005-2009) E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown (DEM-CA) [4]
Vice President
47. (2005-2009) Theodore Strickland (DEM-OH)
2004 def. Thomas D. DeLay / John R. "Jock" McKernan (GOP-TX/ME)
44. (2009-2016) Mark S. Kirk (GOP-IL)* [5]
Vice Presidents
48. (2009-2015) Jeffry L. Flake (GOP-AZ)* [6]
49. (2015-2016) Susan M. Collins (GOP-ME) [6]
2008 def. E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown / Theodore Strickland (DEM-CA/OH)
2012 def. Barack H. Obama / Joaquín Castro (DEM-IL/TX)
45. (2016-present) Susan M. Collins (GOP-ME) [7]
Vice President
50. (2017-present) A. Boris d. P. Johnson (GOP-NY) [8]
2016 def. Bernie Sanders / Alan M. Grayson (DEM-VT/FL)
[1] Incontrovertible evidence of Bush the Elder's involvement in Iran-Contra is leaked, putting him out of the contention for the 1988 election. Dole, the new heir to Reagan's throne, wins the primary easily. Dukakis and the Democrats wage a vigorous campaign criticizing the GOP for the whole Iran-Contra affair, but Dole is able to successfully isolate himself from the controversy and win a surprising landslide victory.
[2] Capitalism is victorious in the world and America in the Gulf, but the thorn in Honest Bob's crown was the trade issue. Together with a contentious GOP primary, more ethics scandals, and a rebellion of the populist center and right, the GOP loses in a landslide to Lieberman, a "New" Democrat.
[3] After achieving over a fifth of the vote in 1996, the Reform Party under Lee Iacocca is ready to strike again in 2000, with an aim at victory. For maximum populist appeal, Iacocca campaigns on a promise to institute a national referendum system if elected. The fall election is close, deadlocked, and sent to the House and Senate for a historic compromise. Lieberman and the Democrats retain the Presidency, Frist and the Republicans get the veep slot, and Reform secures the passage of a Referendum Amendment to the Constitution. Unfortunately for Reform, their movement begins to fade with the passage of the Referendum Amendment.
[4] After two defeats with "compassionate conservatives" at the helm, it's time for the doctrinaire wing of the GOP to take back their party and America. However, with the populist conflicts of the 1990s resolved, a continued split in the GOP over the trade issue, and with New Democratic Liebermanism popular in the country, it seems that America just isn't thinking what DeLay and Jock are thinking.
WIP
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Asami - Presidents of the United States (1912 - 1937) from Hakkou Ichiu
Asami
Banned
Presidents of the United States (1912 - 1937) from Hakkou Ichiu. Includes a minor spoiler for 1936, but I don't think a single person will be surprised at the result... or maybe you will?
1909 - 1913: William Howard Taft / James Sherman (Republican)
1908 def. William Jennings Bryan / John Kern (Democratic)
1913 - 1917: Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1912 def. William H. Taft / Nicholas Butler (Republican), Hiram Johnson / Robert La Folette, Sr. (Progressive), Eugene V. Debs / Emir Seidel (Socialist)
1917 - 1921: William Borah / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
1916 def. Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1921 - 1923: Theodore Roosevelt* / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1920 def. Carter Glass / William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic)
1923: Henry Cabot Lodge* (Republican) / vacant
1923 - 1933: Charles Evans Hughes / Charles G. Dawes (Republican)
1924 def. William Gibbs McAdoo / Cordell Hull (Democratic), George W. Norris / Henry L. Stimson (Liberty / Anti-Japan)
1928 def. Cordell Hull / James Reed (Democratic)
1933 - 1937: John Nance Garner / Maxwell Anderson (Democratic)
1932 def. Charles Curtis / Wendell Wilkie (Republican)
1937 - xxxx: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Joseph Bonaparte (Progressive)
1936 def. Frederick Steiwer / Frank Knox (Republican), John Nance Garner / Maxwell Anderson (Democratic)
* Died in office
Taft's presidency was as OTL, as the PoD is Meiji's death in late 1912, though Roosevelt does not run in 1912, which means Taft's chances were much higher than OTL.
Wilson was defeated for a second term during a wave of isolationism that saw William Borah surge and defeat Wilson in the 1916 election. Borah inadvertently caused the withdrawal of the Japanese and British from the War after making clear his intent to disinvolve the U.S. from the Great War.
Borah was primary'd out in 1920 by Theodore Roosevelt, who, after giving his Tides of Change speech, rallied the Republican Party to back the pro-interventionist faction.
Roosevelt's third non-consecutive term ended with his demise in mid-1923. He was succeeded briefly by President Lodge before his death in 1923. He was succeeded by Charles Evans Hughes, the Speaker of the House.
Charles Evans Hughes piloted a successful presidency, winning in 1924 and 1928 against the Democratic nominees. Charles Curtis (who defeated Dawes in the 1932 primaries) was later defeated by John Garner.
President Garner is ridiculed for causing the Great Depression (1934). He was defeated in 1936 by the 'insurgent' candidacy of the Progressive party, backed by liberal Democrats and progressive Republicans alike, under President Roosevelt's cousin, Franklin.
1909 - 1913: William Howard Taft / James Sherman (Republican)
1908 def. William Jennings Bryan / John Kern (Democratic)
1913 - 1917: Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1912 def. William H. Taft / Nicholas Butler (Republican), Hiram Johnson / Robert La Folette, Sr. (Progressive), Eugene V. Debs / Emir Seidel (Socialist)
1917 - 1921: William Borah / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
1916 def. Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1921 - 1923: Theodore Roosevelt* / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1920 def. Carter Glass / William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic)
1923: Henry Cabot Lodge* (Republican) / vacant
1923 - 1933: Charles Evans Hughes / Charles G. Dawes (Republican)
1924 def. William Gibbs McAdoo / Cordell Hull (Democratic), George W. Norris / Henry L. Stimson (Liberty / Anti-Japan)
1928 def. Cordell Hull / James Reed (Democratic)
1933 - 1937: John Nance Garner / Maxwell Anderson (Democratic)
1932 def. Charles Curtis / Wendell Wilkie (Republican)
1937 - xxxx: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Joseph Bonaparte (Progressive)
1936 def. Frederick Steiwer / Frank Knox (Republican), John Nance Garner / Maxwell Anderson (Democratic)
* Died in office
Taft's presidency was as OTL, as the PoD is Meiji's death in late 1912, though Roosevelt does not run in 1912, which means Taft's chances were much higher than OTL.
Wilson was defeated for a second term during a wave of isolationism that saw William Borah surge and defeat Wilson in the 1916 election. Borah inadvertently caused the withdrawal of the Japanese and British from the War after making clear his intent to disinvolve the U.S. from the Great War.
Borah was primary'd out in 1920 by Theodore Roosevelt, who, after giving his Tides of Change speech, rallied the Republican Party to back the pro-interventionist faction.
Roosevelt's third non-consecutive term ended with his demise in mid-1923. He was succeeded briefly by President Lodge before his death in 1923. He was succeeded by Charles Evans Hughes, the Speaker of the House.
Charles Evans Hughes piloted a successful presidency, winning in 1924 and 1928 against the Democratic nominees. Charles Curtis (who defeated Dawes in the 1932 primaries) was later defeated by John Garner.
President Garner is ridiculed for causing the Great Depression (1934). He was defeated in 1936 by the 'insurgent' candidacy of the Progressive party, backed by liberal Democrats and progressive Republicans alike, under President Roosevelt's cousin, Franklin.
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PachPachis - Plutocrats? Independents? WAT
2000-2008: James Edgar/Alan Simpson (Republican)
2000: Bill Bradley/Al Gore (Democratic)
2004: Hillary Clinton/Cordozar Calvin Broadus, Jr. (Democratic)
2008-2011: Raymond Milkovitch*/Saul Stevens (Independent)
2011-2012:Saul Stevens/Howard Sedgefield (Independent)
2012-2020: Darryl F. Gates/Rush Limbaugh (Plutocratic)
2016: Elizabeth Warren/Bill O'Reilly (Republicratic)
2020:- Charles K. Foster/Robert P. Brooks (Plutocratic)
2020: John F. Kennedy/Cory Booker (Republicratic), Bing MacDonald/Cro Cannibo (National Anti-Socialist)
*Died while in office.
Yeah, it's more Underground. I was bored.
2000: Bill Bradley/Al Gore (Democratic)
2004: Hillary Clinton/Cordozar Calvin Broadus, Jr. (Democratic)
2008-2011: Raymond Milkovitch*/Saul Stevens (Independent)
2011-2012:Saul Stevens/Howard Sedgefield (Independent)
2012-2020: Darryl F. Gates/Rush Limbaugh (Plutocratic)
2016: Elizabeth Warren/Bill O'Reilly (Republicratic)
2020:- Charles K. Foster/Robert P. Brooks (Plutocratic)
2020: John F. Kennedy/Cory Booker (Republicratic), Bing MacDonald/Cro Cannibo (National Anti-Socialist)
*Died while in office.
Yeah, it's more Underground. I was bored.
Cevolian - A CRIPPLED NATION
A CRIPPLED NATION
Wilson couldn't, FDR wouldn't, Reagan shouldn't (resign due to disability)
Wilson couldn't, FDR wouldn't, Reagan shouldn't (resign due to disability)
1981-1982: Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush (Republican) [1]
1980 def - Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1982-1982: George H.W. Bush/none (Republican) [2]
1982-1985: George H.W. Bush/Jack Kemp (Republican)
1985-1989: George H.W. Bush/Jack Kemp (Republican)
1984 def - Lloyd Bentsen/Jesse Jackson (Democratic)
1989-1997: Paul Simon/Dick Gephardt (Democratic) [3]
1988 def - Jack Kemp/Bob Dole (Republican), Pat Buchanan/Alan Keyes (Strong America) [4]
1992 def - Jack Kemp/Dan Quayle (Republican), Pat Buchanan/Ross Perot (Strong America)
1997-1997: Elizabeth Dole/Michael Huffington (Republican) [5]
1996 def - Dick Gephardt/Al Gore (Democratic), Ross Perot/Scattered[nomination of Alan Keyes disputed at split convention] (Strong America) [6]
1997-1998: Elizabeth Dole/Michael Huffington (Republican/Independent)
1998-1998: Elizabeth Dole/none (Republican)
1998-2001: Elizabeth Dole/Jeb Bush (Republican)
2001-2009: Joe Biden/Blanche Lincoln (Democratic) [7]
2000 def - Elizabeth Dole/Jeb Bush (Republican), Michael Huffington/Condoleeza Rice (National Liberal)
2004 def - George W. Bush/W. Mitt Romney (Republican)
2009-2013: Jeb Bush/Mike Pence (Republican) [8]
2008 def - Blanche Lincoln/Jim Webb (Democratic)
2013-0000: Sonia Sotomayor/Jerry Brown (Democratic) [9]
2012 def - Jeb Bush/John McCain (Republican), Mike Pence/Rick Perry (Voters with Values) [10]
[1] Just months after his inauguration as President Ronald Reagan, the bright new hope of America, was shot and fatally wounded. Whilst he would not die he would become paralysed from the waste down and would suffer serious memory losses and associated problems - like Wilson and FDR before him he was a crippled President but, like them, he refused to resign over the issue. It was only when, during a meeting with British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, Reagan incorrectly called her Nancy (his wife's name) that serious consideration was made as to the President's competence. Just over a year after the attempted assassination President Reagan was asked to step down by his chief of staff, Vice President and Secretary of State - he reluctantly agreed.
[2] Vice President Bush would take over as President, guiding the nation through seven years of tax cuts, military buildups and aggressive posturing against the Soviet Union. Financial deregulation and the ends of the Oil Shock led to a huge period of eocnomic growth, with America seen as more prosperous than ever before by many. The President's huge investment she in military spending also helped on thisnfornt, creating hundreds of thousands of jobs across the country as weapons and new technologies were invested in at a rate never before seen. Bush's decision to arm a democratic Revolution in Iraq was controversial, and although Saddam was eventually toppled he was quickly replaced with a clique of military leaders who were just as autocratic and even more eager for military expansion and to work with the USSR. Leaving office in 1988 Bush had enough credit to endorse a successor, but not enough to win that man office, especially as the USSR began to collapse in 1988 and the administration floundered on how to deal with the crackdown against the democratic uprisings in the Baltic states and Ukraine.
[3] The paradoxical Liberal but pro balanced budget Democrat eked out a narrow majority in the 1988 election, promising cuts to the huge military spending of the Bush years, but also tax increases for the very richest and a stridently socially liberal agenda. His first term saw a continuation of the prosperity of the 1980s and, satisfied with their President and with Kemp seen as too power hungry for going for two consecutive runs the country decisively rejected the Republican Party. The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 had further added to his popularity as he helped usher the new Union of Sovereign States into the international community. When Iraq crossed the border into Kuwait in 1994 the Simon administration was hesitant to react, but when British Prime Minister David Owen began assembling a coalition to fight off the invasion it reluctantly joined. The war was a disaster, with Owen unable to negotiate an effective coalition (and resigning as a result before the SDP Conservative coalition could be defeated by Gordon Brown's Labour Liberal alliance at the next election) and this reflected poorly in the Simon administration. Vice President Gephardt was crushed by two moderate Republicans and Democrats downballot suffered across the country as Saddam's forces outmanouvered the coalition in the desert.
[4] An isolationist paleoconservative movement which broke away from the Republicans after Buchanan lost the nomination to Kemp in a fraught convention fight (with neither man reading the required delegate total and President Bush having to personally sway delegates for the second round), the acronym "SA" proved problematic for a right wing party, an issue which wield set the tone for Buchanan's poor campaign.
[5] Dole would led a troop surge in Iraq which, combined with the superior startegic planning of the new administration, allowed a quick victory and the capturing of Baghdad. The new administration was going smoothly - until the Vice President's messy divorce led to the revelation he was bisexual, his expulsion from the Republixan Party, and then his resignation as the Republican Party refused to back Dole until she asked him to stand down. He was replaced by Florida governor and fellow moderate Jeb Bush, but the spectre of the "Huffington Affair" hung over the Dole administration, especially as Huffington refused to "repent" for his bisexuality and pledged to run against the President at the next election. In the end with many North eastern republicans voting for Huffingotn/Rice over Dole, and with a general perception of incompetence around the Doke administration with the collapse of the Tech Bubble in 1999 led Joe Biden to victory.
[6] The Strong America party eventually collapsed over the nomination of "Radical Centirst" Ross Perot in 1996, with the convention unable to agree to his choice of running mate former Buchanan pick Alan Keyes, and two separate conventions all backing their own candidates (the "Atlanta" Convention backed white supremacist David Duke, the "New York" Convention backed Jesse Ventura the former Mayor from Minnesota and the "Official" Conventiom in Detroit backed Keyes). The three way split in the party (it appeared three times on the ballot) led to it being completely anhialated, and three groups went their separate ways with the "Atlanta" Convention forming the activist base which would merge into the Republican Party and form the nucleus of support for "Voters with Values" sixteen years later.
[7] Despite being really rather moderate, Joe Biden seemed distinctly radical compared to his two highly bipartisan predecessors, and was initially met with fear, though this was assuaged by his choice of running mate - the moderate Arkansan Democrat Blanche Lincoln who had taken up the mantle of "leader" of the balanced budget faction of the party. Biden would fail at an attempt to implement Universal Helath Care, but would ensure the passage of Universal Health Insurance as well as reforming the tax code and benefits system in the US to better benefit the poor. The 2004 election saw a divided Republican field, with former Dole Vice President Jeb Bush and his brother Governor George Bush of Texas fighting it out for the nomination at the convention, with the older Bush narrowly winning despite their father's intervention. The Republicans, seen as weak, divided, and nepotistic, plummeted in the polls whilst the right wing and moderate factions became increasingly hostile to one another. Winning a second term, Biden went on to pursue the "Comprehensive Nuclear Proliferation Ban" with the USS, France, and Britain's SDP-Labour-Liberal grand coalition under SDP leader Charles Kennedy, which cemented his place as one of the most popular modern Presidents. Although there were murmurs of economic instability by late 2008, this was not apparent. Despite Biden attempting a "Draft Rodham" movement to get prominent Illinois Senator Hillary Rodham to run against Lincoln for the nomination, she refused and Lincoln went on to sweep the primaries against Rodham and Biden Ally Illinois Governor Barack Obama. Her selection of Jim Webb as her running mate and the subsequent pivot to the right alienated many Dmeocrats, whilst centrists were more attracted to former VP Jeb Bush than Lincoln - the war of the two Vice Presidents saw Bush win his home state of Florida narrowly to capture the White House.
[8] In 2010 everything would come crashing down around Jeb Bush with the economy going into meltdown, and his VP and many allies arguing vehemently against a stimulus package or bailouts despite Bush's instincts. This, and the President's veto of the "Federal Overreach" granted by the "Protection of Traditions Act" (PoTA) barring Gay Marriage on a Federal Level led to a huge rupture in the party. With the economy grinding to a halt and the Democrats winning both houses in 2010, the Bush administration fell apart totally. The refusal of Bush to not seek the nomination in 2012 led the old "Atlanta" faction and the religious right to form their own ticket with VP Pence (once seen as a figure who could heal the rift in the party) and Texas Senator Rick Perry. The Democrats nominated the inspiring Progressive Sonia Sotomayor who chose elder statesman Gerry Brown as her running mate and promised a "Liberal Revolution" and huge spending increases to "save the economy" which nearly caused a rupture in the Democratic Party as her defeated rival Jim Webb defected to the Republicans. Bush would go on to lose the election in a landslide as the VwV ticket won Texas, Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia, whilst the Democrats won traditional Republican states like West Virginia, Arizona and even North Carolina. With VwV candidates challenging many moderate Republican Senators the party was further levelled in Convress, granting the Democrats 58 seats (including pro Democrat independent Bernie Sanders), the Republicans 41 and the Voters with Values party 1 (Perry). Bush became a political exile and one of the most hate men in America as Sotomayor entered the White House.
[9] Just sixteen years after electing her first female President America has elected her second, but even as she passes a major stimulus package and lobbies for a pro Equal Marriage amendment, only time will tell whether Sotomayor will be more successful than Dole. The extremist National Bolshevik Party threatens democracy in the USS, whilst the National Party in Britain threatens to smash the centrist consensus, and the VwV party looks set to overtake the Republicans in votes at the mid terms. President Sotomayor has plenty of work ahead of her...
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Mumby - Salami Tactics
bob won't stop making changes to old lists
Salami Tactics
1929-1933: Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1928 def. Al Smith / Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic)
1933-1934: Huey Long / vacant (Democratic)
1932 def. Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1934-1939: SECOND AMERICAN CIVIL WAR
FASCISTS
1934-1939: Hugh S. Johnson / Henry Ford (National Union --- Independent / 'National' Republican)
CONSTITUTIONALISTS
1934-1936: Huey Long / Smedley Butler (Constitutional Union --- Democratic / Independent 'Anti-Capitalist')
1936-1937: Smedley Butler / vacant (Independent 'Anti-Capitalist)
1937-1939: Smedley Butler / Upton Sinclair (Constitutional Union --- Independent 'Anti-Capitalist / Democratic)
1936 def. Henry S. Breckinridge / Alf Landon (Peace Coupon --- 'Peace' Democratic / 'Constitutional' Republican)
1939-1940: Smedley Butler / Upton Sinclair (Constitutional Union --- Independent 'Anti-Capitalist' / Democratic)
1940-1941: Upton Sinclair / vacant (Democratic)
1941-1945: Upton Sinclair / Alger Hiss (Democratic)
1940 def. Robert M. La Follette Jr. / Alf Landon (Republican), Charles Coughlin / Joe McWilliams (National)
1945-1951: Alger Hiss / Earl Long (Democratic)
1944 def. Douglas MacArthur / Earl Warren (Republican), Harry F. Byrd / John H. Bankhead II ('Conservative' Democratic)
1948 def. Earl Warren / Harold Stassen (Republican)
1951-1953: Alger Hiss / vacant (Democratic)
1953-1961: Alger Hiss / Earl Browder (Democratic)
1952 def. Joe McCarthy / various (Republican)
1956 def. unopposed
The first part of the list is fairly self explanatory. At the 1936 presidential election, held part way through the war, Butler invited Upton Sinclair, a 'Left' Democrat, to his presidential ticket rather than a 'Progressive' Republican. This prevents the catastrophic collapse of the Republicans due to splits after the civil war. When Butler dies, Sinclair takes his place and wins the 1940 presidential election in a landslide against a united Republican ticket and a continuity Fascist ticket. As his Vice President, Sinclair selects a prominent bureaucrat from Long's New Deal, who is endorsed by the Anti-Capitalists associated with Butler.
Sinclair stands down in 1944, citing his age, after having overseen a 'socialisation' of New Deal with the objective of 'End Poverty In America', as well as taking America into war against the Axis. Hiss narrowly wins the Democratic presidential nomination, which conservatives in the party don't take well, and stand their own candidate against him. The Republicans meanwhile nominate popular general Douglas MacArthur. The National Party had been banned during Sinclair's time on grounds of their association with the Fascist Directorate during the Civil War. The result was a victory for Hiss, though the Conservatives won a few states in the South.
Over the following years, Hiss and Long progressively eliminate their opposition by associating them with fascism, first by purging the pro-segregation group within the Democrats, then influencing the Republican nomination process in 1948. In 1951, Long suffers a severe heart attack and he is permanently hospitalised. Hiss goes without a VP, and extends his anti-fascist campaign, using the HUAAC to purge opposition in various fields across the United States.
In 1952, the Republicans nominated Robert A. Taft, who ends up being arrested on grounds of fascist sympathy on the basis of his long-term opposition to Long's New Deal as well as his opposition to involvement in the war against fascism in Europe. McCarthy's VP nominee Joe McCarthy takes his place on the ticket and does not have time to appoint a VP before the election, and there ends up being various VP nominations in various states. Hiss appoints former Communist leader Earl Browder as his VP nominee. McCarthy is successfully lambasted as a fascist infiltrator, and is encumbered by a divided an disorganised campaign. The Democrats win in a renewed landslide. By the time 1956 rolls around, the Republicans have been sufficiently eviscerated that there is no cogent opposition to a thoroughly Bolshevised Democratic Party.
Salami Tactics
1929-1933: Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1928 def. Al Smith / Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic)
1933-1934: Huey Long / vacant (Democratic)
1932 def. Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1934-1939: SECOND AMERICAN CIVIL WAR
FASCISTS
1934-1939: Hugh S. Johnson / Henry Ford (National Union --- Independent / 'National' Republican)
CONSTITUTIONALISTS
1934-1936: Huey Long / Smedley Butler (Constitutional Union --- Democratic / Independent 'Anti-Capitalist')
1936-1937: Smedley Butler / vacant (Independent 'Anti-Capitalist)
1937-1939: Smedley Butler / Upton Sinclair (Constitutional Union --- Independent 'Anti-Capitalist / Democratic)
1936 def. Henry S. Breckinridge / Alf Landon (Peace Coupon --- 'Peace' Democratic / 'Constitutional' Republican)
1939-1940: Smedley Butler / Upton Sinclair (Constitutional Union --- Independent 'Anti-Capitalist' / Democratic)
1940-1941: Upton Sinclair / vacant (Democratic)
1941-1945: Upton Sinclair / Alger Hiss (Democratic)
1940 def. Robert M. La Follette Jr. / Alf Landon (Republican), Charles Coughlin / Joe McWilliams (National)
1945-1951: Alger Hiss / Earl Long (Democratic)
1944 def. Douglas MacArthur / Earl Warren (Republican), Harry F. Byrd / John H. Bankhead II ('Conservative' Democratic)
1948 def. Earl Warren / Harold Stassen (Republican)
1951-1953: Alger Hiss / vacant (Democratic)
1953-1961: Alger Hiss / Earl Browder (Democratic)
1952 def. Joe McCarthy / various (Republican)
1956 def. unopposed
The first part of the list is fairly self explanatory. At the 1936 presidential election, held part way through the war, Butler invited Upton Sinclair, a 'Left' Democrat, to his presidential ticket rather than a 'Progressive' Republican. This prevents the catastrophic collapse of the Republicans due to splits after the civil war. When Butler dies, Sinclair takes his place and wins the 1940 presidential election in a landslide against a united Republican ticket and a continuity Fascist ticket. As his Vice President, Sinclair selects a prominent bureaucrat from Long's New Deal, who is endorsed by the Anti-Capitalists associated with Butler.
Sinclair stands down in 1944, citing his age, after having overseen a 'socialisation' of New Deal with the objective of 'End Poverty In America', as well as taking America into war against the Axis. Hiss narrowly wins the Democratic presidential nomination, which conservatives in the party don't take well, and stand their own candidate against him. The Republicans meanwhile nominate popular general Douglas MacArthur. The National Party had been banned during Sinclair's time on grounds of their association with the Fascist Directorate during the Civil War. The result was a victory for Hiss, though the Conservatives won a few states in the South.
Over the following years, Hiss and Long progressively eliminate their opposition by associating them with fascism, first by purging the pro-segregation group within the Democrats, then influencing the Republican nomination process in 1948. In 1951, Long suffers a severe heart attack and he is permanently hospitalised. Hiss goes without a VP, and extends his anti-fascist campaign, using the HUAAC to purge opposition in various fields across the United States.
In 1952, the Republicans nominated Robert A. Taft, who ends up being arrested on grounds of fascist sympathy on the basis of his long-term opposition to Long's New Deal as well as his opposition to involvement in the war against fascism in Europe. McCarthy's VP nominee Joe McCarthy takes his place on the ticket and does not have time to appoint a VP before the election, and there ends up being various VP nominations in various states. Hiss appoints former Communist leader Earl Browder as his VP nominee. McCarthy is successfully lambasted as a fascist infiltrator, and is encumbered by a divided an disorganised campaign. The Democrats win in a renewed landslide. By the time 1956 rolls around, the Republicans have been sufficiently eviscerated that there is no cogent opposition to a thoroughly Bolshevised Democratic Party.
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