List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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---- Hello, Frederick.
That list you wanted is attached to this message. Tell me what you think and if you want any clarification, just ask.

But hey, we haven't just talked politics in a while. I know you support the Liberals, who do you support for the upcoming election? Let me guess, either Rubio or Edwards, right? Have you been watching the Whig race? Huckabee is up, again, I'm afraid that bastard is going to run the-
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---- One Final Dance: A "Longless" History of the CSA
1933-1939: John Nance Garner/Alben Barkley (Liberal) [1]
- 1933: William Gibbs McAdoo/Carter Glass (Whig) , Melvin Alvah Taylor/Harry F. Byrd (Democratic)
1939-1945: Alben Barkley/James Byrnes (Liberal) [2]
- 1939: Ellison D. Smith/Asbury Francis Lever (Democratic) , William Bankhead/Will Rogers (Whig)
1945-1947: James Byrnes/Lyndon B. Johnson (Liberal) [3]
- 1945: Spessard Holland/Strom Thurmond (Democratic) , Olin D. Johnston/Eugene Talmadge (Whig)
1947-1948: James Byrnes/None (Liberal) [4]
1948-1948: Harry Truman (Military Coup) [5]
1948-1951: Harry Truman/None (Unity) [6]
1951-1959: Harry Truman/Harry H. Vaughan (Unity) [7]
- 1951: Various
- Confederate Annexation Into The United States -

[1] Since Long aint' around runner up Garner gets the nod, wins because of Great Recession incumbency poisoning Democratic chances.
[2] Barkley wins running on Garner's moderate success (though not nearly as much as Long's was OTL). No term limit removal because no Long to propel the movement.
[3] Byrnes wins in a shocker as Johnston siphons voted from Holland. More Liberal Party apathy without a guy like Long. Economy isn't as well off this time OTL, and the CSA is more isolationist than OTL.
[4] The assassination of VP Johnson was an exclamation mark on a very bad year, one starting with another economic collapse, less than two decades removed from the first.
[5] I know it's cliché but General Harry Truman overthrows the government in the midst of economic and domestic malaise.
[6] Truman joins up with a budding Unity movement (he supported the group OTL during the Third War Between The States).
[7] After a "free election" Truman leads with his buddy General Vaughan. The US, still on roughly the same path as OTL and all strung up on the jingoistic nationalism crap, declare war in summer, 1952 (as per OTL). Facing a more divided and strained nation and without Long to lead the way in the war (and with some additional bungling done by Truman and Co.) like in OTL, the Confederacy soon finds itself disadvantaged and losing. The War of Reunification ends in October, 1959 with the capture of Pensacola and the Treaty of Washington.

 

[Mumby]

Fifty four glorious years.

[THIS IS NO TIME FOR A NOVICE]

 

[Gonzo]

SNIP

>over half a century of labour dominance
>this has to stop
>sees leading opposition party leader in 1998
>aaaaaaaaaaa
>labour dominance versus pm mandy
>this has to continue

 

[Cevolian]

[THIS IS NO TIME FOR A NOVICE]

[hangs head in shame]

 

[natemamate]

John Nance Garner (Anti America Party) 1933-1949
Dwight Eisenhower (Pro America Party) 1949-1953
Richard Nixon (Anti America Party) 1953-1974
Jimmy Carter (Nazi Party) 1974-1985
George H Bush (Pro America Party) 1985-1993
Bill Clinton (Anti American Party) 1993-2001
George W Bush (Anti America Party) 2001-2004
John Kerry (Pro Iran Party) 2004-2013
John McCain (8th Federalist Party) 2013-Now

 

[Utgard96]

John Nance Garner (Anti America Party) 1933-1949
Dwight Eisenhower (Pro America Party) 1949-1953
Richard Nixon (Anti America Party) 1953-1974
Jimmy Carter (Nazi Party) 1974-1985
George H Bush (Pro America Party) 1985-1993
Bill Clinton (Anti American Party) 1993-2001
George W Bush (Anti America Party) 2001-2004
John Kerry (Pro Iran Party) 2004-2013
John McCain (8th Federalist Party) 2013-Now

gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8 n0 h8

 

[Mumby]

i never did finish this tl

Call To The People

1918-1926: William Adamson (Labour)
1918 (Coalition with other Socialists, supply and confidence from Independent Labour) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative and Unionist), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal), none (Independent Labour)
1922 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Reform), Horatio Bottomley (National), Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), H.H. Asquith (Liberal)
1926-1930: Sgt. James Chuter Ede (Labour)
1926 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Reform), Thomas Pilcher (National), John Simon (Liberal), fragmented (Conservative)
1930-1934: Lt. Oswald Mosley (National)
1930 (Coalition with Reform, supply and confidence from Christian Democrats) def. Sgt. James Chuter Ede (Labour), David Lloyd George (Reform), G.K. Chesterton (Christian Democrat), Neville Chamberlain (Anti-Lloyd George Reform), John Simon (Liberal)

Basically Labour pull off a landslide in 1918, the 'Coupon' parties come together as Reform while hardliners split off, and the new National party emerges as a right-wing foil to Labour. After twelve years in power, Labour is tarred by the Great Depression and a coalition of the radical right is able to take power. The Christian Democrats are the descendants of the Irish Nationalist Party that remained on the mainland after All Ireland went independent.

 

[shiftygiant]

John Nance Garner (Anti America Party) 1933-1949
Dwight Eisenhower (Pro America Party) 1949-1953
Richard Nixon (Anti America Party) 1953-1974
Jimmy Carter (Nazi Party) 1974-1985
George H Bush (Pro America Party) 1985-1993
Bill Clinton (Anti American Party) 1993-2001
George W Bush (Anti America Party) 2001-2004
John Kerry (Pro Iran Party) 2004-2013
John McCain (8th Federalist Party) 2013-Now

 

[big-click]

Basically Labour pull off a landslide in 1918, the 'Coupon' parties come together as Reform while hardliners split off, and the new National party emerges as a right-wing foil to Labour. After twelve years in power, Labour is tarred by the Great Depression and a coalition of the radical right is able to take power. The Christian Democrats are the descendants of the Irish Nationalist Party that remained on the mainland after All Ireland went independent.

Do the military ranks indicate a militarized government of some kind? Or was it a done thing back then (/ a done thing now) for public figures to retain their military ranks in civilian life?

 

[Aaaaasima]

John Nance Garner (Anti America Party) 1933-1949
Dwight Eisenhower (Pro America Party) 1949-1953
Richard Nixon (Anti America Party) 1953-1974
Jimmy Carter (Nazi Party) 1974-1985
George H Bush (Pro America Party) 1985-1993
Bill Clinton (Anti American Party) 1993-2001
George W Bush (Anti America Party) 2001-2004
John Kerry (Pro Iran Party) 2004-2013
John McCain (8th Federalist Party) 2013-Now

I am not joking, I actually like these ASB, probably not serious weird lists

 

[Deleted member 87099]

I am not joking, I actually like these ASB, probably not serious weird lists

I do too, as long as they're creative and thought is put into them, not just shit thrown together.

 

[Beata Beatrix]

I do too, as long as they're creative and thought is put into them, not just shit thrown together.

Which these seem to be.

 

[Mumby]

Do the military ranks indicate a militarized government of some kind? Or was it a done thing back then (/ a done thing now) for public figures to retain their military ranks in civilian life?

No, it's got no real significance. It's just that Labour achieved victory on the back of a large percentage of the returning soldiers in WW1 voting them in. They believe in building a Land Fit For Heroes and given the importance of the soldiers' vote, it feels important for them (and for the Nationals down the line) to point out their credentials.

 

[Turquoise Blue]

@Turquoise Blue You should make a separate thread for Third Parties Galore, it is incredible!

Thanks.

Oh, and don't worry guys and gals, there's one more that I've done the list for, The Quiet Death of Socialist America. Hope you like it.

Yeah, it's inspired by the very good The Quiet Death of Liberal England, and I readily admit that.

Just a teaser: Greens are gonna be different.

 

[Gorrister]

I am not joking, I actually like these ASB, probably not serious weird lists

It's just names and random psrties. No effort put in.

 

[Utgard96]

It's just names and random psrties. No effort put in.

Not to mention that these particular ones smack of bad trolling.

 

[Mumby]

https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...s-or-presidents.171310/page-498#post-13974655

Industrial Congressional Elections

1948-1949: Ernest Bevin (Labour)
1948 (Coalition with Liberals) def. Harry Pollitt (CPGB), Malcolm MacDonald (Conservative and National Labour), William Beveridge (Liberal)
1949-1950: Sir Vincent Tewson (Labour-Liberal Coalition)
1950-1956: Vic Feather (Labour)
1952 (Coalition with Liberals) def. Harry Pollitt (CPGB), Malcolm MacDonald (Conservative and National Labour), William Beveridge (Liberal), John Loverseed (Common Wealth), Frank Budgen (IWW)
1956-1962: Bill Wainwright (CPGB)
1956 (Minority with support from Common Wealth) def. Vic Feather (Labour), Reginald Maudling (Conservative and National Labour), Lancelot Spicer (Liberal)
1960 (Majority) def. George Woodcock (Labour), Reginald Maudling (Conservative and National Labour), Megan Lloyd George (Liberal)
1962-1968: Jeanne Hoban (CPGB)
1964 (Minority) def. Patricia McLaughlin (Conservative Workers'), Mary McAlister (Labour), Spike Milligan (Common Wealth), Donald Johnson (Liberal)

i have a feeling @Gonzo will like this

this is the 'Scottish election' to the general election list I did before.

Basically, in this world Attlee gets a bigger majority and the Communists do slightly better in 1945. In order to assuage his more left-wing backbenchers, an act is passed basically bringing the Boards of nationalised industry under workers' control, to an extent, as a great deal of management is done by the newly created National Boards Administration. An 'Industrial Congress' is established, essentially a state parallel to the TUC, but purely involved in the administration of nationalised industry. While for a time it is Labour dominated, the Communists soon infiltrate the unions and in 1956 are able to establish minority control of the Industrial Congress. This is one of the things that leads to Morrison's defeat in 1958 as he tries to reassert the control of the National Boards Administration and TUC over the Industrial Congress, causing an economic crisis.

In 1962, a referendum is held amongst the voting workers of the nationalised industries over whether or not to abolish the National Boards Administration and take up the Boards responsibilities in local and municipal government (which are quite considerable). Despite the Communists' majority, the workers' vote 'No' by a healthy margin. However, this vote put the Communists (and Common Wealth, the IWW and a few minnows) on the side of Yes, and the establishment parties of Labour, Tories and Liberals on the side of No. Labour haemorrhages votes, and in the 1963 general election, the Communists win almost 60 seats, primarily in areas of heavy manufacturing, but also in many coal mining regions. At the 1964 industrial election, Labour fall to third, while the rebranded 'Conservative Workers' Party' (a branch of the Tories specifically for industrial elections) come second. The Communists have lost their majority, but the Industrial Congress retains a majority for collectivisation due to the presence of Common Wealth.

 

[Premier Taylerov]

Call To The People

1918-1926: William Adamson (Labour)
1918 (Coalition with other Socialists, supply and confidence from Independent Labour) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative and Unionist), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal), none (Independent Labour)
1922 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Reform), Horatio Bottomley (National), Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), H.H. Asquith (Liberal)
1926-1930: Sgt. James Chuter Ede (Labour)
1926 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Reform), Thomas Pilcher (National), John Simon (Liberal), fragmented (Conservative)
1930-1934: Lt. Oswald Mosley (National)
1930 (Coalition with Reform, supply and confidence from Christian Democrats) def. Sgt. James Chuter Ede (Labour), David Lloyd George (Reform), G.K. Chesterton (Christian Democrat), Neville Chamberlain (Anti-Lloyd George Reform), John Simon (Liberal)

Nice idea. What do people think about other organizations using the term 'National' in the immediate post-war period? I have always assumed that thanks to the controversial influence of Lloyd George over the wartime national government that those who opposed him would stay away from such a label for a while. I know that this isn't necessarily true for this TL, but seeing the Reform/Anti-Loyd George Reform battle accentuates kinda' what I mean. Although it's probably a matter of semantics anyway.

>over half a century of labour dominance
>this has to stop
>sees leading opposition party leader in 1998
>aaaaaaaaaaa
>labour dominance versus pm mandy
>this has to continue

Heh, well - as I said earlier it probably isn't quite the same Mandy. I like to think he's kept his mustache.

 

[Mumby]

Nice idea. What do people think about other organizations using the term 'National' in the immediate post-war period? I have always assumed that thanks to the controversial influence of Lloyd George over the wartime national government that those who opposed him would stay away from such a label for a while. I know that this isn't necessarily true for this TL, but seeing the Reform/Anti-Loyd George Reform battle accentuates kinda' what I mean. Although it's probably a matter of semantics anyway.

The National Party was a real life thing, and this is one of those things where people think of Lloyd George and the pre-Reform parties as 'Coalition' or 'Coupon' rather than National.

 

[Premier Taylerov]

The National Party was a real life thing, and this is one of those things where people think of Lloyd George and the pre-Reform parties as 'Coalition' or 'Coupon' rather than National.

I had forgotten about the real-life NP, but they disbanded before the National Government did and were pretty fringe. I guess I've just always found it strange that something as controversial as the National Government during the war didn't have larger consequences in the way political groups and parties were named later on. I mean, just a few years later you have National Labour to join all the already-established National Liberals and whatnot. It's just a word I guess. Probably reading too much into it.