List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

Very cool! As for names for the Breckinridge Democrats... you could maybe try "Constitutional Democrat" to give it a feeling of law and order. As for Douglas's faction, might I suggest the label of "Union Democrats" because of the idea that, as you said:

While Breckinridge plays the name game while ultimately provoking his opponents, Douglas comes in with... well... a better name... Anyway, hope this is helpful!
I like that idea, actually. I was iffy on both 'Pro-Admin' and 'Rebellion', so that helps
 
MEGA UPDATE TO ALTERNATE PRESIDENTS LIST

Teddy Roosevelt 1901-04 - Republican *A*

Robert La Follette 1904-05 - Radical

William Jennings Bryan 1905 - 21 - Populist

Defeated: Robert La Follette /Robert P. Bass (Radical), William Howard Taft/James S. Sherman (Republican), Alton. B Parker/Henry G. Davis (Democratic), Eugene Debs/Ben Hanford (Socialist)

Charles Curtis 21-29 - Republican

Defeated: William Jennings Bryan/Robert La Follette (Radical Populist),Theodore G. Bilbo/Thomas R. Marshal (Democratic), Norman Thomas/Big Bill Haywood (Socialist)

Andrew Mellon 29-30 - Republican ^_*

Defeated: Charles W Bryan/Hiram Johnson (Radical Populist), Max S. Hayes/Frances Perkins (Progressive), D.C Stephenson/Virgil Effinger (Democratic), Norman Thomas/Big Bill Haywood (Socialist)

John J Pershing 30-33 - Independent

Floyde B Olson 33-38 - Progressive *

Defeated: Herbert Hoover/Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Republican).

Huey Long 1938-54 - Radical Populist *

Defeated: Max S. Hayes/Joseph E Davies (Progressive), Norman Thomas/A.J Muste (Socialist), Franklin Delano Roosevelt/Alf Landon (Republican), John Nance Garner/Arthur H. Vandenberg (Conservative)

Henry Wallace 54-61 - Radical Populist

Defeated: Patricia Olson/Glen H Taylor (Progressive), Norman Thomas/A.J Muste (Socialist), Thomas E.Dewey/Alf Landon (Republican) Russell Kirk/Everett Dirksen (Conservative)

Norman Thomas 61-69 - Socialist

Defeated: Betty Friedan/Michael Harrington (Progressive), Elliot Roosevelt/Alf Landon (Republican) Barry Goldwater/Joseph McCarthy (Conservative) Russel B.Long/Lydon B. Johnson (Radical Populist)

Elliot Roosevelt 69-1977 - Republican

Defeated: Betty Friedan/Michael Harrington (Progressive), Barry Goldwater/Joseph McCarthy (Conservative) Russel B.Long/Kitty Owens Spence (Radical Populist), Jimmy Carter/Eugene McCarthy (Christian) Martin Luther King/Malcolm X (Socialist)

Joseph McCarthy 77-79 - Conservative ^_*

Defeated: Betty Friedan/Michael Harrington (Progressive), Jacob Javits/Alf Landon (Republican), Russel B.Long/Kitty Owens Spence (Radical Populist), Jimmy Carter/Eugene McCarthy (Christian), Martin Luther King/Malcolm X (Socialist)

Ronald Reagan 79-81 - Conservative ^_*

Donald Rumsfeld 81-81 - America First Party

Martin Luther King Jr 81-93 - Socialist

Defeated: Betty Friedan/Michael Harrington (Progressive), Joe Biden/Alf Landon (Republican),Russel B. Long/Eugene McCarthy (Distributism Now), Jack Kemp/Newt Gingrich (Conservative), Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney (American First Party)

Bernie Sanders 93-05 - Socialist

Defeated: Barbara Ehrenreich/Bill Moyers (Progressive), Joe Biden/Walt Disney (Republican),Bill Kauffman/Brian T Carol(Distributism Now), Jack Kemp/Newt Gingrich (Conservative), Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney (American First Party)

Brian T. Carol 05-13 - Distributism Now!

Defeated: Bernie Sanders/Noam Chomsky (Socialist) Joe Kovel/Jill Stein (Progressive), Joe Biden/Jeremiah Wright (New Liberal Party),John McCain/Newt Gingrich (Conservative), Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney (American First Party),

Joe Biden 13-17 - New Liberal Party

Defeated: Karen Kubby/Jon Osborne (Socialist) Joe Kovel/Jill Stein (Progressive), Joe Biden/Jeremiah Wright (New Liberal Party),Marco Rubio/John McCain (Conservative), Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney (American First Party), John Medaille/Bill Kauffman (Distributism Now!)

Alexandria Occazio Cortez 17-25 - New Democratic Party

Defeated: Mimi Soltysik/Kshama Sawant (Socialist), Elizabeth Warren/Jill Stein (Progressive), Barrack Obama/John Kerry (New Liberal Party),Marco Rubio/Newt Gingrich (Conservative), Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney (American First Party), John Medaille/Bill Kauffman (Distributism Now!)

* means died in office
^_* means impeached.
*A* means assasinated

Thoughts and Comments?
 
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Prime Ministers of the American Federation
1. John Tyler (Independent)
(January 7th,1840-April 7th,1847)

2. William Cullen Bryant (Loco Poco)
(April 7th,1847-April 7th,1850)

3. David R. Atchinson (Independent)
(April 7th,1850-April 7th,1859)

4.Jefferson Davis (Confederate)
(April 7th,1859-April 1st,1862)

5. Joseph Smith (Military)
(April 1st,1862-April 10th,1862)

6.John Tyler (Independent)
(April 10th,1862-April 17th,1868)

7. Brigham Young (People's)
(April 17th,1868-November 10th,1870)

8.John C. Fremont (Independent) R
(November 10th,1870-January 7th,1871)

9.Andrew Johnson (People's Union) R
(January 7th,1871-May 10th,1871)

10. Horatio King (People's)
(May 10th,1871-April 7th,1877)

11. James Seddon (Confederate)
(April 7th,1877-April 1st,1880)
12. Jefferson Davis (Confederate)
(April 1st,1880-April 7th,1885)

13.Chester Alan Arthur (Union)
(April 7th,1885-August 24th,1886)
14. Charles Guiteau (Union)
(August 24th,1886-April 1st,1893)

15. Butch Cassidy (People's)
(April 1st,1893-April 1st,1905)

16. John Sharp Williams (Confederate)
(April 1st,1905-April 1st,1913)
17. Charles S. Thomas (Confederate)

(April 1st,1913-April 1st,1921)
18. John Sharp Williams (Confederate)

(April 1st,1921-April 1st,1929)
19. Robert Lansing (People's)
(April 1st,1929-April 1st,1933)
20. Calvin Coolidge (People's)†

(April 1st,1933-January 5th,1934)
21.Andrew Mellon (People's)

(Janaury 5th,1934-April 1st,1941)
22.Hiram Wesley Evans (White Power)†
(April 1st,1941-April 15th,1945)
23.Harry S. Truman (White Power)
(April 15th,1945-April 1st,1965)

24. Barry Goldwater (Confederate)
(April 1st,1965-January 5th,1981)

25. Rudy Boschwitz (People's Conservative) R
(January 5th,1981-April 11th,1992)
26.Elizabeth Dole (People's Conservative)
(April 11th,1992-January 5th,1994)

27. Orrin Hatch (National)
(January 5th,1994-January 5th,2001)

28. J.C. Watts (People's Conservative)
(January 5th,2001-January 5th,2009)

29. Deborah Price (Liberal-Labor)
(January 5th,2009-
January 1st,2011)
30. Sarah Palin (People's Conservative)
(January 5th,2011-January 5th,2012)
31. Mitt Romney (People's Conservative)
(January 5th,2012-January 5th,2013)

32. Fred Phelps (Liberal-Labor)
(January 5th,2013-
April 20th,2013)
33. Joe Manchin (Liberal-Labor) R
(April 20th,2013-
January 5th,2015)
34. Chuck Schumer (Liberal-Labor)
(January 5th,2015-January 5th,2016)
35. Mitt Romney (People's Conservative)

(January 5th,2016-January 5th,2021)
 
I mostly used a random number generator for this one.

35. Prescott Bush 1961-1965
36. J. William Fulbright 1965 (died)
37. Dean Rusk 1965-1973
38. John Wesley Snyder 1973-1981
39. Bill Clinger 1981-1986 (died)
40. Otis Bowen 1986-1993
41. Kay Granger 1993-1997 (opted not to run for re-election)
42. Bernard F. Grabowski 1997-2001
43. Leonard Lance 2001-2009
44. Rand Paul 2009-2013
45. Patrick J. Kennedy 2013-2018 (impeached and removed)
46. Carol Moseley Braun 2018-present
 
What if there was one term in which the runner up became the VP?

1901: William McKinley(R)/William Jennings Bryan(D)
1901-1905: William Jennings Bryan(D)/None
1905-1909: Teddy Roosevelt(R)/Alton B. Parker(D)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft(R)/Woodrow Wilson(D)
1913-1917: Woodrow Wilson (D)/Robert M La Follete(R)
1917-1921: Thomas R. Marshall(D)/Charles Evan Hughes(R)
1921-1923: Warren G. Harding(R)/James M.Cox(D)
1923-1925: James M. Cox(D)/None
1925-1929: Calvin Coolidge(R)/John W. Davis(D)
1929-1933: Herbert Hoover(R)/Al Smith(D)
1933-1937: Franklin Delano Roosevelt(D)/Alf Landon(R)
1937-1941: John Nance Garner(D)/Frank Knox(R)
1941-1944: Wendell Wilkie(R)/Henry A. Wallace(D)
1944-1945: Henry A. Wallace(D)/None
1945-1949: Harry S. Truman(D)/Thomas E. Dewey(R)
1949-1953: Thomas E. Dewey(R)/Strom Thurmmond(D)
1953-1957: D. Dwight Eisenhower(R)/Aldai Louis Stevenson(D)
1957-1961: Aldai Louis Stevenson(D)/Richard Nixon(R)
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy(D)/Richard Nixon(R)
1963-1965: Richard Nixon(R)/None
1965-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson(R)/Barry Goldwater(D)
1969-1973: Humbert Humphrey(D)/Spiro Agnew(R)
1973-1974: George Wallace(D)/ Gerald Ford(R)
1974-1977: Gerald Ford(R)
1977-1979: Jimmy Carter(D)/Nelson J. Rockefeller(R)
1979-1981: Jimmy Carter(D)/None
1981-1985: Ronald Reagan(R)/Ted Kennedy(D)
1985-1989: George H.W. Bush(R)/Walter Mondale(D)
1989-1993: Michael Durkakis(D)/Bob Dole(R)
1993-1997: Bill Clinton(D)/Ross Perot(R)
1997-2001: Al Gore(D)/Pat Buchanan(R)
2001-2005: George W. Bush(R)/Joe Lieberman(D)
2005-2009: John McCain(R)/John Kerry(D)
2009-2013: Barack Obama(D)/Mitt Romney(R)
2013-2017: Joe Biden(D)/Sarah Palin(R)
2017-2021: Donald Trump(R)/Hilary Clinton(D)
 
Take a guess at how this list has been created. It involves the Premier League (and predecessor league) championship.


Britain's Game

1885-1892: Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative)
1892-1895: Samuel Storey (Liberal)
1895-1897: Theodore Doxford (Conservative)
1897-1903: Joseph Chamberlain (Conservative)
1903-1908: F.E. Smith (Conservative)
1910-1918: Joseph Chamberlain (Conservative)
1918-1922: John Wilson (Liberal)
1922-1924: Harry Chilcott (Conservative)
1924-1927: James Hudson (Labour)
1927-1931: A.V. Alexander (Labour Co-Operative)
1931-1940: Albert Goodman (Conservative)
1940-1945: Reginald Purbrick (Conservative)
1945-1951: Jocelyn Lucas (Conservative)
1951-1955: Frederick Messer (Labour)
1955-1957: Alan Noble (Conservative)
1957-1964: Enoch Powell (Conservative)
1964-1973: Eric Heffer (Labour)
1973-1978: Merlyn Rees (Labour)
1978-1991: Eric Heffer (Labour)
1991-1995: Derek Fatchett (Labour)
1995-2005: Beverley Hughes (Labour)
2005-2010: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative)
2010-2017: Greg Hands (Conservative)
2019-????: Lucy Powell (Labour Co-Op)
 
POD: President William H. Harrison survives, leading to various consequences like Texas, California, Hawaii, Alaska and Deseret not being part of the United States, and also the Free Soil Party replacing the Republican Party.

9: William Henry Harrison (Whig-Ohio) 1841-1849
Def 1840 Martin Van Buren (D-New York)
Def 1844 Martin Van Buren (D-New York)

10: Lewis Cass (D-Michigan) 1849 -1853
Def 1848 Henry Clay (Whig-Kentucky)


11: Stephen Douglas (D-Illinois) 1853 - 1857
Def 1852 Winfield Scott (FSP-New Jersey)

12: William H. Seward (FSP-New York) 1857 - 1862
Def 1856 Jefferson Davis (SRP-Mississippi), George Law(UAP-New York), Stephen Douglas(D-Illinois)
Def 1860 James Buchanan (D-Pennsylvania)

13: Abraham Lincoln (FSP-Illinois) 1862 - 1869
Def 1864 Horatio Seymour (D-New York)

14: John Brown (FSP-Connecticut) 1869-1877
Def 1868 Andrew Johnson (D-Tennessee)
Def 1872 Ulysses Grant (D-Ohio)

15: Samuel J. Tilden (D-New York) 1877-1881
Def 1876 John Frémont (FSP-Oregon)

16: Rutherford B. Hayes (FSP-Ohio) 1881-1885
Def 1880 Samuel J. Tilden (D-New York)

17: Robert Todd Lincoln (FSP-Illinois) 1885-1893
Def 1884 Grover Cleveland (D-New York)
Def 1888 Grover Cleveland (D-New York)

18: Grover Cleveland (D-New York) 1893-1897
Def 1892 William McKinley (FSP-Ohio)

19: Thomas Backett Reed (FSP-Maine) 1897-1902
Def 1896 Grover Cleveland (D-New York)
Def 1902 William Jennings Bryan (D-Nebraska)

20: Charles W. Fairbanks (FSP-Indiana) 1902-1905

21: George Armstrong Custer (D-Ohio) 1905-1913
Def 1904 Charles W. Fairbanks (FSP-Indiana)
Def 1908 Charles Evans Hughes (FSP-New York)

22: Theodore Roosevelt (FSP-New York) 1913-1917
Def 1912 Champ Clark (D-Missouri)

23: William Jennings Bryan 1917-1925
Def 1916 Theodore Roosevelt (FSP-New York)
Def 1920 Leonard Wood (FSP-New Hampshire)
 
A New Millenium (Part One)

43. Vice President Al Gore (Democratic-TN) 2001-2005

Def 2000 Governor George W. Bush (Republican-TX)
44. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) 2005-2013
Def 2004 President Al Gore (D-TN)
Def 2008 Former Governor Howard Dean (D-VT)

45. Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) 2013-2021
Def 2012 Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)
Def 2016 Governor John Kasich (R-OH) Ted Cruz (American Right-TX)

List will be continued on
this thread
 
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Presidents of the United States of America
1861–1867: Abraham Lincoln (Republican/National Union)
(with Hannibal Hamlin)
defeated John C. Breckinridge/Joseph Lane (Southern Democratic), John Bell/Edward Everett (Constitutional Union), Stephen A. Douglas/Herschel Vespasian Johnson (Northern Democratic)
(with Andrew Johnson)
defeated Benjamin Wade/Clement Vallandigham (Democratic)
1867-1869: Andrew Johnson (Republican)*
[Lincoln impeached, V.P. ascended]
1869-1881: William Rosecrans (Yankee Democratic)
(with Asa Packer) defeated Lyman Trumbull (Republican), scattered minor parties
defeated George Howard (Radical Republican), John C. Black (Liberal Democratic)
defeated
James G. Blaine (Liberal), John Sherman (American Interest), Eugene V. Debs (Independent)

1881-1885: Gen. Edward S. Bragg (Yankee)
(with Henry B. Payne) defeated Benjamin Butler (Liberal), Gideon T. Stewart (American Interest), Algie Martin Simons (National Nonpartisan League)
 
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Presidents of the United States of America
1861–1867: Abraham Lincoln (Republican/National Union)
(with Hannibal Hamlin)
defeated John C. Breckinridge/Joseph Lane (Southern Democratic), John Bell/Edward Everett (Constitutional Union), Stephen A. Douglas/Herschel Vespasian Johnson (Northern Democratic)
(with Andrew Johnson)
defeated Benjamin Wade/Clement Vallandigham (Democratic)
1867-1869: Andrew Johnson (Republican)*
[Lincoln impeached, V.P. ascended]
1869-1881: William Rosecrans (Yankee Democratic)
(with Asa Packer) defeated Lyman Trumbull (Republican), Solon Chase (Populist)
defeated George Howard (Radical Republican), John C. Black (Liberal Democratic)
defeated James G. Blaine (Liberal), John Sherman (American Interest), scattered minor parties
1881-1885: Gen. Edward S. Bragg (Yankee)
(with Henry B. Payne) defeated Benjamin Butler (Liberal), Gideon T. Stewart (American Interest), Algie Martin Simons (National Nonpartisan League)
How did Benjamin Wade end up as a Democrat? He was a Radical Republican in OTL. Hard to imagine him switching parties. Pretty interesting list, I like it.
 
How did Benjamin Wade end up as a Democrat? He was a Radical Republican in OTL. Hard to imagine him switching parties. Pretty interesting list, I like it.
Losing the civil war to a communist insurgent group will make people do a lot of stupid things out of protest.
Why was Abe impeached?
For starters, a world were the south successfully seceded from the Union is going to have some unhealthy repercussions. The primary reason for his impeachment comes from the pro-slavery elements of congress accusing him of overstepping his constitutional authority. During the trial, a rumour swells that he was in bed with Karl Marx, who'd moved to Texas and hypothetically helped father the communist insurgency. It's bullshit, but then again, a lot of the anti-Lincoln rhetoric is bullshit.
 
Camelot Returns:
Based on "Presidents of the United States of America: A President Elect Timeline [Part I]" By user Gaitanist Democrat

37. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/George Smathers (D-FL) 1969-1977

Def 1968 Richard M. Nixon (R-NY)/Spiro Agnew (R-MD) George Wallace (AIP-AL)/Curtis LeMay (AIP-CA)
Def 1972 Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/John Tower (R-TX)

38. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX) 1977-1981
Def 1976 George Smathers (D-FL)/Scoop Jackson (D-WA)
39. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Dale Bumpers (D-AR) 1981-1989
Def 1980 Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX)

Def 1984 Bob Dole (R-KS)/Jack Kemp (R-NY)
40. Howard Baker (R-TN)/Dan Quayle (R-IN) 1989-1997
Def 1988 Dale Bumpers (D-AR)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) Ross Perot (REF-TX)/Jerry Brown (REF-CA)

Def 1992 Mario Cuomo (D-NY)/Al Gore (D-TN) Ross Perot (REF-TX)/Paul Tsongas (REF-MA)
41. Al Gore (D-TN)/Bill Bradley (D-NJ) 1997-2001
Def 1996 John McCain (R-AZ)/Connie Mack III (R-FL) Jesse Jackson (REF-DC)/Lenora Fulani (REF-NY)

42. Jeb Bush (R-FL)/Orrin Hatch (R-UT) 2001-2009
Def 2000 Al Gore (D-TN)/Bill Bradley (D-NJ) Ralph Nader (REF-CT)/Winona LaDuke (REF-MN)

Def 2004 Bill Bradley (D-NJ)/Howard Dean (D-VT) Ralph Nader (REF-CT)/Al Sharpton (REF-NY)
43. John F. Kennedy Jr. (D-NY)/Tim Kaine (D-VA) 2009-2017
Def 2008 Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Tommy Thompson (R-WI) Barack Obama (REF-IL)/Bernie Sanders (REF-VT)
Def 2012 Jon Huntsman Jr. (R-UT)/Mitch Daniels (R-IN) Bernie Sanders (REF-VT)/Rocky Anderson (REF-UT)

44. John Kasich (R-OH)/Marco Rubio (R-FL) 2017-Present
Def 2016 Tim Kaine (D-VA)/Julian Castro (D-TX) Bernie Sanders (REF-VT)/Tulsi Gabbard (REF-HI) Donald Trump (GAP-NY)/Mike Pence (GAP-IN)

D: Democratic Party
R: Republican Party
REF: Reform Party
GAP: Great American Party
 
This is as far into Gilded Age politics as I've ever gotten. Have mercy.

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THE SPIRIT OF (18)76
One hundred years in, the American experiment had emerged from its greatest challenge, but seemed to be entering another. The Republican Party had won the War, but it had grown fat off of patronage and 'charity', while barely lifting a finger at a Depression. The people knew what they wanted - a reform-minded governor of a crucial swing state, with an untainted record & an unassuming personality.
They sure had a lot of those on hand.
1869-1873: Ulysses S. Grant/Schuyler Colfax
1873-1877: Ulysses S. Grant/Henry Wilson

'68: Horatio Seymour/Francis P. Blair (214-80)
'72: Horace Greeley/Benjamin G. Brown (286-63)
1877-1881: Rutherford B. Hayes/William A. Wheeler
'76: Samuel J. Tilden/ Thomas A. Hendricks (185-184)
1881-1885: Samuel J. Tilden/Thomas A. Hendricks
'80: James A. Garfield/Chester A. Arthur (203-166)
1885: Joshua L. Chamberlain/vacant
1885-1889: Joshua L. Chamberlain/Thomas A. Hendricks
'84: Chester A. Arthur/Joshua L. Chamberlain - Thomas A. Hendricks/George Hoadly (224-177)
1889-1893: George Hoadly/Grover Cleveland
'88: Henry B. Harrison/John Stevenson (20(1)-20(0))
1893-1897: William McKinley/Ira Davenport
'92: George Hoadly/Grover Cleveland, James B. Weaver/James G. Field (211-23-210)
1897-????: Frederick Dent Grant (Provisional Stability Administration)
'96: William Jennings Bryan/Henry Teller - Ira Joy Chase/John M. Palmer (240-207)

-: popular vote
name: deceased
(X) Faithless Electors
 
Ok ya'll, somewhat unrelated, but after my recent kicking based on what happened in this thread a few weeks back, I created a test thread where I'm going to be posting any alternate presidents/pm lists from now on to avoid getting kicked again

 
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