List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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As my eldest (early 20s) daughter would say that was pithy AF, in the best way. Mac? Here I was putting my money on Mose (or maybe Amery the Younger) ....
For some reason, I often see Commonwealth Party for Long. I'm not sure if that's based off of actual history (I'm pretty sure not since Long said he wanted it to be called Union Party) or it's just something one person did and others followed.
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Long tossed around a few names but his cronies did seem to think he wanted it to be the Union Party since that's what they went for. That said, it could obviously have gone otherwise. IIRC Commonwealth comes from Reds! And yeah has been overdone.
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Prime Ministers of Northern Ireland
1940-1945: J. M. Andrews (Ulster Unionist Party) [1]
1945-1946: Paddy Agnew (Northern Ireland Labour Party-Nationalist Party-Commonwealth Labour Party-Socialist Republican-Independent Labour-Independent Nationalist coalition) [2]
1945 def: J. M. Andrews (Ulster Unionist Party), Thomas Joseph Campbell (Nationalist Party), Harry Midgley (Commonwealth Labour Party), William McCullough (Communist Party), Harry Diamond (Socialist Republican)
1946-1947: Paddy Agnew (Northern Ireland Labour Party-Nationalist Party-Communist Party-Independent Labour-Independent Nationalist-Independent coalition) [3]
1947-1948: Harry Midgley (Ulster Unionist Party-Commonwealth Labour Party-Independent Unionist-Independent coalition) [4]
1948-1948: Harry Midgley (Ulster Unionist Party-Independent Unionist-Independent coalition)
1948-1949: Paddy Agnew (Northern Ireland Labour Party-Nationalist Party-Continuity Commonwealth Labour Party-Communist Party-Independent Labour-Independent Nationalist-Independent coalition) [5]
1949-0000: Maynard Sinclair (Ulster Unionist Party) [6]
1949 def: James McSparran (Nationalist Party), Paddy Agnew/Albert McElroy/William McCullough (Popular Front), Harry Diamond (Socialist Republican)
[1] - Andrews was not very popular with his party, and internal divisions led to an unconvincing showing at the 1945 general election in Northern Ireland - the Ulster Unionists remained the largest party in the 52-seat House of Commons, but fell to just 18 seats, losing most of Belfast to an array of left-wing parties. Andrews attempted to put together a coalition with some Independents and the Commonwealth Labour Party, which was strongly Unionist, but its leader Harry Midgley had been promised the Finance portfolio by Labour leader Paddy Agnew.
[2] - Agnew's party was the only really cross-community party in Northern Ireland (the split with the CLP had revolved around the NILP's refusal to commit to unabashed Unionism) and, seeing that it could lead a left-wing coalition with support from the moribund Nationalists, decided to put together an appropriate coalition - this coalition had 27 seats, only just enough for a majority, and excluded both the Unionists and the Communists, who had won three seats. The new Government began to put through civil rights measures for Catholics as well as more socialist measures, like the expansion of the welfare state, but it was barred on every side by the Senate, which was still majority-UUP. But this was not the most major impasse facing the Agnew Government, for before the year was out, Midgley had led his 5 CLP Members of Parliament into Opposition, leaving Agnew without a majority.
[3] - Over a particularly fraught night, Agnew fought to save his perilous alliance, and was forced to do so by giving some pork barrel funding to the two Independent MPs elected by the Queen's University of Belfast, as well as treating with the Communists. They demanded the nationalisation of Harland and Wolff and many other significant industries, and Agnew could not do anything other than give them what they wanted, even though his Nationalist allies were uneasy. Before the next meeting of Stormont, Harry Diamond (the only MP from the Socialist Republican Party) had crossed the floor in protest at the deal with the Communists.
[4] - Less than a year later, the recriminations between the rural Nationalists and the radically internationalist Communists had made good governance impossible, while the Senate still refused to pass Commons bills. To make matters worse, Midgley's CLP and the University Independents had now reached terms with the Ulster Unionists, now led by Basil Brooke. Those terms were that Midgley was to become Prime Minister, despite being a junior partner in the coalition. This, of course, provoked many scenes of chaos in Stormont on the day of the motion of no confidence, ultimately climaxing in a full-on brawl between Midgley and Independent Labour MP Jack Beattie. Midgley's government proceeded to reverse all of the pro-Catholic reforms that the Agnew government had managed to implement, including re-segregating schools and barring Catholics from voting in local elections.
[5] - Soon afterwards, Midgley merged his Commonwealth Labour Party into the UUP, remaining Prime Minister and becoming the Party's Leader. But he did not take all of his MPs with him - two, led by Albert McElroy, valued Labour values above those of Ulster, and formed the 'Continuity' CLP just eight days later. This caused Midgley to lose his majority, and with the help of one of the University Independents, Irene Calvert, who herself had Nationalist and welfarist inclinations, Agnew was once again on the magic margin of 27 MPs. But by now, the Parliament was becoming fractious and occasionally violent, and this violence was beginning to be mirrored on the streets of Belfast. By common agreement, a new election was held a few months later, in early 1949, in order to retain some sort of stability.
[6] - Naturally, the UUP won.
Prime Ministers of Northern Ireland
1940-1945: J. M. Andrews (Ulster Unionist Party) [1]
1945-1946: Paddy Agnew (Northern Ireland Labour Party-Nationalist Party-Commonwealth Labour Party-Socialist Republican-Independent Labour-Independent Nationalist coalition) [2]
1945 def: J. M. Andrews (Ulster Unionist Party), Thomas Joseph Campbell (Nationalist Party), Harry Midgley (Commonwealth Labour Party), William McCullough (Communist Party), Harry Diamond (Socialist Republican)
1946-1947: Paddy Agnew (Northern Ireland Labour Party-Nationalist Party-Communist Party-Independent Labour-Independent Nationalist-Independent coalition) [3]
1947-1948: Harry Midgley (Ulster Unionist Party-Commonwealth Labour Party-Independent Unionist-Independent coalition) [4]
1948-1948: Harry Midgley (Ulster Unionist Party-Independent Unionist-Independent coalition)
1948-1949: Paddy Agnew (Northern Ireland Labour Party-Nationalist Party-Continuity Commonwealth Labour Party-Communist Party-Independent Labour-Independent Nationalist-Independent coalition) [5]
1949-0000: Maynard Sinclair (Ulster Unionist Party) [6]
1949 def: James McSparran (Nationalist Party), Paddy Agnew/Albert McElroy/William McCullough (Popular Front), Harry Diamond (Socialist Republican)
[1] - Andrews was not very popular with his party, and internal divisions led to an unconvincing showing at the 1945 general election in Northern Ireland - the Ulster Unionists remained the largest party in the 52-seat House of Commons, but fell to just 18 seats, losing most of Belfast to an array of left-wing parties. Andrews attempted to put together a coalition with some Independents and the Commonwealth Labour Party, which was strongly Unionist, but its leader Harry Midgley had been promised the Finance portfolio by Labour leader Paddy Agnew.
[2] - Agnew's party was the only really cross-community party in Northern Ireland (the split with the CLP had revolved around the NILP's refusal to commit to unabashed Unionism) and, seeing that it could lead a left-wing coalition with support from the moribund Nationalists, decided to put together an appropriate coalition - this coalition had 27 seats, only just enough for a majority, and excluded both the Unionists and the Communists, who had won three seats. The new Government began to put through civil rights measures for Catholics as well as more socialist measures, like the expansion of the welfare state, but it was barred on every side by the Senate, which was still majority-UUP. But this was not the most major impasse facing the Agnew Government, for before the year was out, Midgley had led his 5 CLP Members of Parliament into Opposition, leaving Agnew without a majority.
[3] - Over a particularly fraught night, Agnew fought to save his perilous alliance, and was forced to do so by giving some pork barrel funding to the two Independent MPs elected by the Queen's University of Belfast, as well as treating with the Communists. They demanded the nationalisation of Harland and Wolff and many other significant industries, and Agnew could not do anything other than give them what they wanted, even though his Nationalist allies were uneasy. Before the next meeting of Stormont, Harry Diamond (the only MP from the Socialist Republican Party) had crossed the floor in protest at the deal with the Communists.
[4] - Less than a year later, the recriminations between the rural Nationalists and the radically internationalist Communists had made good governance impossible, while the Senate still refused to pass Commons bills. To make matters worse, Midgley's CLP and the University Independents had now reached terms with the Ulster Unionists, now led by Basil Brooke. Those terms were that Midgley was to become Prime Minister, despite being a junior partner in the coalition. This, of course, provoked many scenes of chaos in Stormont on the day of the motion of no confidence, ultimately climaxing in a full-on brawl between Midgley and Independent Labour MP Jack Beattie. Midgley's government proceeded to reverse all of the pro-Catholic reforms that the Agnew government had managed to implement, including re-segregating schools and barring Catholics from voting in local elections.
[5] - Soon afterwards, Midgley merged his Commonwealth Labour Party into the UUP, remaining Prime Minister and becoming the Party's Leader. But he did not take all of his MPs with him - two, led by Albert McElroy, valued Labour values above those of Ulster, and formed the 'Continuity' CLP just eight days later. This caused Midgley to lose his majority, and with the help of one of the University Independents, Irene Calvert, who herself had Nationalist and welfarist inclinations, Agnew was once again on the magic margin of 27 MPs. But by now, the Parliament was becoming fractious and occasionally violent, and this violence was beginning to be mirrored on the streets of Belfast. By common agreement, a new election was held a few months later, in early 1949, in order to retain some sort of stability.
[6] - Naturally, the UUP won.
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Given the lack of a "1949 def", I assume that all the other parties gave (u)up and didn't contest the election?
In all seriousness, good stuff.
Uhura's Mazda
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...Given the lack of a "1949 def", I assume that all the other parties gave (u)up and didn't contest the election?
In all seriousness, good stuff.
Nothing to see here.
AidanM - Dewey Defeats Truman (Again)
Dewey Defeats Truman
1945-1949: Harry S. Truman/Vacant
1949-1953: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren
def. 1948: Harry S. Truman/Alben W. Barkley
1953-1957: Harry S. Truman/Hubert Humphrey
def. 1952: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren
1957-1961: Hubert Humphrey/Adlai Stevenson
def. 1956: Earl Warren/Dwight D. Eisenhower
1961-1963: Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller
def. 1960: Hubert Humphrey/George Smathers
1963-1965: Nelson Rockefeller/Vacant
1965-1973: Nelson Rockefeller/George Romney
def. 1964: Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kennedy
def. 1968: George McGovern/Thomas Eagelton
1973-1981: John F. Kennedy/Jimmy Carter
def. 1972: George Romney/Ronald Reagan
def. 1976: Gerald Ford/Bob Dole
1981-1989: Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney
def. 1980: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
def. 1984: Gary Hart/Geraldine Ferraro
1989-1993: Dick Cheney/George H. W. Bush
def. 1988: Mario Cuomo/Joe Biden
1993-2001: Ted Kennedy/Jerry Brown
def. 1992: Dick Cheney/George H. W. Bush
def. 1996: John McCain/Christine Todd Whitman
2001-2009: Orrin Hatch/Rudy Giuliani
def 2000: Jerry Brown/Ann Richards
def. 2004: Wesley Clark/Al Gore
2009-2017: Bill Clinton/Barack Obama
def. 2008: Rudy Giuliani/Mitt Romney
def. 2012: Rick Santorum/Scott Walker
2017-present: Barack Obama/Russ Feingold
def. 2016: Donald Trump/Chris Christie
1945-1949: Harry S. Truman/Vacant
1949-1953: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren
def. 1948: Harry S. Truman/Alben W. Barkley
1953-1957: Harry S. Truman/Hubert Humphrey
def. 1952: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren
1957-1961: Hubert Humphrey/Adlai Stevenson
def. 1956: Earl Warren/Dwight D. Eisenhower
1961-1963: Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller
def. 1960: Hubert Humphrey/George Smathers
1963-1965: Nelson Rockefeller/Vacant
1965-1973: Nelson Rockefeller/George Romney
def. 1964: Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kennedy
def. 1968: George McGovern/Thomas Eagelton
1973-1981: John F. Kennedy/Jimmy Carter
def. 1972: George Romney/Ronald Reagan
def. 1976: Gerald Ford/Bob Dole
1981-1989: Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney
def. 1980: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
def. 1984: Gary Hart/Geraldine Ferraro
1989-1993: Dick Cheney/George H. W. Bush
def. 1988: Mario Cuomo/Joe Biden
1993-2001: Ted Kennedy/Jerry Brown
def. 1992: Dick Cheney/George H. W. Bush
def. 1996: John McCain/Christine Todd Whitman
2001-2009: Orrin Hatch/Rudy Giuliani
def 2000: Jerry Brown/Ann Richards
def. 2004: Wesley Clark/Al Gore
2009-2017: Bill Clinton/Barack Obama
def. 2008: Rudy Giuliani/Mitt Romney
def. 2012: Rick Santorum/Scott Walker
2017-present: Barack Obama/Russ Feingold
def. 2016: Donald Trump/Chris Christie
Lord Roem - From Wight to Vectis - Britain Under Spanish Hegemony
From Wight to Vectis - Britain Under Spanish Hegemony
Lord Presidents of the Council (Kingdom of England, Scotland and Ireland) [1601-1837]
1829-1833: Walter Scott (Anti-Sedition)
1833-1837: Henry Addington, 1st Viscount Sidmouth (Anti-Sedition)
First Secretaries of State (First Commonwealth of Great Britain) [1837-1849]
1837-1838: George Canning (County Whig)
1838-1842: Rowland Hill (Commonwealth Union)
1842-1843: Richard Carlile (Commonwealth Union)
1843-1845: George Kinloch (Commonwealth Union [Crofter's Faction])
1845-1846: Richard Do-As-Thou-Would-Be-Done-By Cobden (Commonwealth Union [Constitutionalist Faction])
1846-1847: George Kinloch (Radical-Covenanter)
1847-1849: Henry Hardinge (Military Government)
Lord Presidents of the Council (Restored Kingdom) [1849-1903]
1849-1851: George Hamilton-Gordon, 4th Earl of Aberdeen (Georgeite)
1851-1853: John Bright (Radical)
1853-1854: Josiah Wedgewood III (Liberal)
1854-1857: John Bright (Radical)
1857-1858: Josiah Wedgewood III (Liberal)
1858-1861: No Fornication Gladstone (Liberal)
1861-1866: John Bright (Radical)
1866-1869: John Henry Newman (Radical/Anti-Convenanter)
1869-1870: Robert Napier (Military Government)
1870-1874: John Bedford Leno (Reform)
1874-1878: Charles Gordon-Lennox (Unionist)
1878-1882: John Bedford Leno (Reform)
1882-1888: Charles Gordon-Lennox (Unionist)
1888-1897: Joseph Chamberlain (New Radical)
1897-1901: Enoch Edwards (New Radical)
1901-1903: Henry M Hydman (Leveller)
Bretwalda (National Union of Bryton) [1903-1904]
1903-1904: John Charteris (National Legion)
Lord Presidents of the Council (Second Commonwealth of Great Britain) [1904-1908]
1904-1904: Henry Broadhurst (New Radical [Loyalist])
1904-1905: Joseph Chamberlain (New Radical [Loyalist])
1905-1906: Suffer-As-The-Lord-G*d-Suffered-Upon-His-Cross Asquith (New Radical [Loyalist])
1906-1908: Sydney Webb (Synthesist)
Lord High Constable (United British State) [1908-1971]
1908-1914: James Grierson (Military [later National Legion of the Union of the Synthesist Revolution "Natleg"])
1914-1938: Herbert Kitchener (Natleg)
1938-1961: Jorian Jenks (Natleg)
1961-1971: Anthony Ludovici (Natleg)
Lord Presidents of the Council (Kingdom of Great Britain)
1971-1972: John Platts-Mills (Natleg)
1972-1974: Reginald Dorman-Smith (Union of the Constitutionalist Centre)
1974-1977: Harris Immaculate Grace Of The Saviour Jenkins (Union of the Constitutionalist Centre)
1977-1991: Richard Taverne (British Section of the Terran Diggers [BSTD])
1991-1999: William Waldegrave (People's Party)
1999-2008: Joseph Shoemaker (BSTD)
2008-0000: Fear-God Gove (People's Party)
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I love how you have a coalition of the slightly unionist NILP, with the remnants of the conservative IPP, with the overtly Unionists CLP, with the Communists, and presumably the sort-of-Nationalist Docks Labourites, and the sort-of-Fianna Fail or Anti-Partition Nationalists and various Independents. I see no way that coalition would collapse. Then again it's still a more stable executive than DUP-SF.
spookyscaryskeletons - PMs under Northeastern Devolution
What I'm imagining the national political outlook is in that North East Devolution list I did.
1997-2004: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997 (Majority) def. John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
2001 (Majority) def. Michael Howard (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2004-2009: John Reid (Labour)
2005 (Majority) def. Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2014: Shailesh Vara (Conservative)
2009 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def. John Reid (Labour), Mark Oaten (Liberal Democrats), Campbell Martin (SNP)
2014-2015: Hilary Benn (Labour)
2014 (Minority with SNP supply and confidence) def. Shailesh Vara (Conservative), Mark Oaten (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2015-: Shailesh Vara (Conservative)
2015 (Majority) def. Hilary Benn (Labour), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP)
1997-2004: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997 (Majority) def. John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
2001 (Majority) def. Michael Howard (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2004-2009: John Reid (Labour)
2005 (Majority) def. Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2014: Shailesh Vara (Conservative)
2009 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def. John Reid (Labour), Mark Oaten (Liberal Democrats), Campbell Martin (SNP)
2014-2015: Hilary Benn (Labour)
2014 (Minority with SNP supply and confidence) def. Shailesh Vara (Conservative), Mark Oaten (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP)
2015-: Shailesh Vara (Conservative)
2015 (Majority) def. Hilary Benn (Labour), Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP)
Popular Front: Red 'n Green edition? Bejeezus.
His full name was actually Think Not Thoughts of Impure Naughtiness After Speaking With Ladies of Negotiable Affection or At Least Leave Not a Paper Trail for Let-Independent-Clauses-Flourish Foot To Find Gladstone. But that was hard to say at parties.
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