List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Mumby]

LINCOLNSHIRE POACHER III: THE CENTRE CANNOT HOLD​

1916-1924: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1919 (Coalition with Conservatives, and National Democratic and Labour Party) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative), William Adamson (Labour), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), Henry Page Croft (National), various (Silver Badge), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), George Nicoll Barnes (National Democratic and Labour), Christopher Turnor (Rural), Christabel Pankhurst (Womens'), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour)
1924-1927: Austen Chamberlain (Conservative)
1924 (Coalition with National Democrats) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Henry Page Croft (National), Havelock Wilson (National Democrat), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), Herbert Matthews (Rural), Frederick Lister (Silver Badge), Tom Mitchell (Socialist Labour)
1927-1932: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1928 (Coalition with Nationals and 'Left' National Democrats) def. Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Leo Amery (National), Rhys Hopkins Morris (Liberal / 'Right' National Democrat), Christopher Turnor ('Left' National Democrat), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour), C.H. Hoare (Rural)
1932-1934: Leo Amery (National)
1932 (Coalition with Conservatives and National Democrats) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Noel Skelton (Conservative), Christopher Turnor (National Democrat), Tudor Rees (Liberal), Harry Pollitt (Socialist Labour), various (Workers of Britain)
1934-1935: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1934 (Coalition with National Democrats, Workers' of Britain and Socialist Labour) def. Oswald Mosley (New), Leo Amery (National / Conservative Alliance), Christopher Turnor (National Democrat), various (Workers of Britain), Harry Pollitt (Socialist Labour), Tudor Rees (Liberal)
1935-1939: Shapurji Saklatvala (Labour - National Democrat - Workers' of Britain - Socialist Labour Coalition)

 

[Yes]

Lone Star-1

1987-1988: Bill Clements (R)
def. Mark White (D)

"Question: Shall Governor William Perry Clements be impeached?
"The impeachment prevailed by the following vote: Yeas 94, Nays 45."​

1988-1991: Bill Hobby (D)

"I will not run to seek a full term as Governor."​

1991-1995: Tom Craddick (R)
def. Bob Bullock (D)

"This so-called 'Robin Hood' plan steals from the poor and gives to the government."​

1995-1999: John Sharp (D)
def. Tom Craddick (R)

"Our economists anticipate that oil prices should return to normal within the next three months."​

1999-2007: Carole Keeton Strayhorn (R)
def. John Sharp (D), David Cobb (E)
def. John Whitmire (D), Dan Patrick (V)

"I would rather spend the money to educate our students now than to imprison them later."​

2007-2012: Michael L. Williams (R)
def. Senfronia Thompson (D)
def. John L. Odam, Jr. (D)

"I accept the nomination for President of the United States."​

2012-????: Christi Craddick (R)
def. Judith Zaffrini (D)

"We know what needs to be done to balance the environment and the economy of Texas better than Washington does."
​

The vote to impeach Governor Clements for his assisting with the cover-up and maintenance of a "slush fund" for players on the SMU football team while a member of the Board of Governors was controversial and narrow, but enough Republicans abstained to allow it to proceed. Longtime Lieutenant Governor Bill Hobby was thrust into the limelight, but he could not exert his influence as effectively as in the Lieutenant Governor's office, and decided not to seek another term in 1990.
Tom Craddick had been a member of the Texas House for over two decades. Unlike Hobby, he could effectively dominate the legislature, but that came at a cost - he alienated many legislators through his autocratic rule, and he became the public face of opposition to the popular "Robin Hood" school finance reform plan. Despite the Republican wave of Tsongas's first midterms, Craddick was defeated by Comptroller John Sharp.
Sharp oversaw the implementation of Robin Hood during his first year in office. His next three, however, were much less successful. The passing of the Christopher-Gaidar agreement saw a glut of oil bring economic chaos to Texas, not helped by the 1997 collapse of Enron. Sharp's attempt to swing towards the center on oil only succeeded in alienating liberals, who coalesced around Ecology Party candidate David Cobb. Austin Mayor Carole Keeton Strayhorn was elected.
Strayhorn's tenure was controversial. Too moderate for conservatives and too conservative for moderates, she seemed at times to govern by approval rating. Still, she managed to get elected in both of President Alexander's midterms, while modifying and expanding Robin Hood and SCHIP. Refusing to run for re-election in 2006, she nevertheless became the longest-serving Texas Governor in history.
Michael L. Williams was the first African-American Governor of Texas. A more reliable conservative than Strayhorn, Williams made headlines for a standoff with President Glendening over abortion. This raised his profile enough to make him the favorite for the 2012 Republican nomination. Resigning from the governorship to run, he defeated Vice President Murray for the Presidency, but not before resigning from the Governorship.
Christi Craddick, daughter of former governor Craddick, has thus far been a popular if quiet Governor. Her environmental policy has drawn criticism, but is fairly popular in Texas itself, while her state's restrictions on abortion were narrowly upheld by the Supreme Court. Going into the 2018 election, rumor has it that she's going to try to break Governor Strayhorn's 8-year record...

Nice. I was there for a chunk of the middle of this TL -- these names are pleasingly familiar to me. Good to see someone knocking up a list below national-level. Interesting to see Dan Patrick go fringe, guess this TXGOP just ain't crazy enough for him?

 

[Steve Brinson]

Nice. I was there for a chunk of the middle of this TL -- these names are pleasingly familiar to me. Good to see someone knocking up a list below national-level. Interesting to see Dan Patrick go fringe, guess this TXGOP just ain't crazy enough for him?

More that Strayhorn wasn't crazy enough for him, and he wanted the publicity.

 

[Yes]

@spookyscaryskeletons,

So:

- Clynes stays on (you realize you could start there and lead Labour down the road to paranoid defensive authoritarianism with Moseley still in and the right assassination -- that's right, Who Shot J.R.?...)
- earlier kick-start on a welfare state
- "some [Duce-bag] newspaper magnate" fails to take over Italy
- CHANCELLOR VON LETTOW-VORBECK ROXXXXXORS FTW OK
- Harry Nicks sits in the big chair
- Nye gets kind of screwed but at least he has his moment
- "Kindly Tony" stays off the meth and doesn't suck
- Amery and Moseley get smart on India
- the best eyebrows in OTL's postwar Britain besides Hugh Griffith.

All these are doubleplusgood. Bravo.

 

[Yes]

More that Strayhorn wasn't crazy enough for him, and he wanted the publicity.

Sounds about right

 

[Ferguson97]

[2] Bush goes missing when Air Force one vanishes over the Atlantic. Sec. State Alex Haig is sworn in.

Wouldn't it go the House Speaker?

 

[Rosa Luxemburg]

No 9/11*

George W Bush | Dick Cheney (2001-2005)
2000: Al Gore | Joe Lieberman

Hillary Clinton | Tom Vilsack (2005-2013)
2004: [Incumbents]
2008: Mitt Romney | Bobby Jindal

Barack Obama | Joe Biden (2013-
2012: Chris Christie | Bob McDonnell
2016: John Kasich | John McCain


*This list was formulated using President Infinity. This is why there were many implausible tickets. We almost had a President Ben Carson, and Bernie Sanders almost successfully primaries Obama in 2016!

 

[dw93]

No 9/11*

George W Bush | Dick Cheney (2001-2005)
2000: Al Gore | Joe Lieberman

Hillary Clinton | Tom Vilsack (2005-2013)
2004: [Incumbents]
2008: Mitt Romney | Bobby Jindal

Barack Obama | Joe Biden (2013-
2012: Chris Christie | Bob McDonnell
2016: John Kasich | John McCain


*This list was formulated using President Infinity. This is why there were many implausible tickets. We almost had a President Ben Carson, and Bernie Sanders almost successfully primaries Obama in 2016!

I think the financial crisis would happen sooner or later. If it doesn't happen before the 2008 election, it'll happen after it, meaning the party who wins the presidency in 2008 is screwed in 2010 and 2012.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Wouldn't it go the House Speaker?

The Speaker has to resign to ascend to the Presidency. Democrat Tip O'Neill would be perfectly in his rights to abstain from this, keeping his job, and not forcing a party change in the White House during a time of national tragedy (the same sort of thing plagued Carl Albert during the Watergate crisis, even though there was no tragedy).

Of course, Republican Strom Thurmond is next in line between O'Neill and Haig. But despite being a presidential contender himself at several points, at age 80, he would likely be pressured to not resign his seat and also stand aside for Alexander Haig.

And, of course, Alexander Haig is a take-charge kind of guy.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I think the financial crisis would happen sooner or later. If it doesn't happen before the 2008 election, it'll happen after it, meaning the party who wins the presidency in 2008 is screwed in 2010 and 2012.

Well, anything can happen (well, not anything) in a presidential race. Maybe the financial crisis was largely handled (as it was in OTL) by 2012. Obama might not be Clinton's chosen successor, perhaps running against much of her platform.

And, of course, Christie and McDonnell, while sound presidential and vice presidential picks, have had issues regarding their moral or ethical character in OTL (frivolous or not). If something of that kind comes up early in this timeline, to either or both candidates, that could cripple their 2012 campaign and lead to a smooth victory for the Obama campaign in spite of any economic hurdles.

 

[Rosa Luxemburg]

I think the financial crisis would happen sooner or later. If it doesn't happen before the 2008 election, it'll happen after it, meaning the party who wins the presidency in 2008 is screwed in 2010 and 2012.

Well, anything can happen (well, not anything) in a presidential race. Maybe the financial crisis was largely handled (as it was in OTL) by 2012. Obama might not be Clinton's chosen successor, perhaps running against much of her platform.

And, of course, Christie and McDonnell, while sound presidential and vice presidential picks, have had issues regarding their moral or ethical character in OTL (frivolous or not). If something of that kind comes up early in this timeline, to either or both candidates, that could cripple their 2012 campaign and lead to a smooth victory for the Obama campaign in spite of any economic hurdles.

Election simulators are fickle. I was really suprised by the results in 2008 and 2016.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Mirror Universe:

I'm sure this has been done before. My take, killing all butterflies while I'm at it:

1. George Washington / George Clinton (I; 1789-1797)
2. Thomas Jefferson / John Adams (DR; 1797-1801)
3. John Adams / Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (F; 1801-1809)
4. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney / Rufus King (F; 1809-1817)
5. Rufus King / John Eager Howard (F; 1817-1825)
6. Andrew Jackson / John C. Calhoun (D; 1825-1829)
7. John Quincy Adams / [Richard Rush / John Sergeant] (NR; 1829-1837)
8. William Henry Harrison / Francis Granger (W; 1837-1841)
9. Martin Van Buren / Richard Mentor Johnson (D; 1841) - Van Buren died after giving a long speech in New York, thus starting the so-called "Curse of Kinderhook"
10. Richard Mentor Johnson / vacant (I; 1841-1845) - Johnson was expelled from the party for moral issues
11. Henry Clay / Theodore Frelinghuysen (W; 1845-1849)
12. Lewis Cass / William O. Butler (D; 1849-1850) - Cass died under mysterious circumstances
13. William O. Butler / vacant (D; 1850-1853)
14. Winfield Scott / William A. Graham (W; 1853-1857)
15. John C. Frémont / William L. Dayton (R; 1857-1861)
16. John C. Breckinridge / [Joseph Lane / George H. Pendleton] (D; 1861-1865) - assassinated by a Northern secessionist actor at the end of the Civil War
17. George H. Pendleton / vacant (D; 1865-1869) - first President to be impeached, for being a Peace Democrat in a Congress composed of War Democrats
18. Horatio Seymour / [Francis P. Blair, Jr. / Benjamin Gratz Brown] (D; 1869-1877)
19. Samuel J. Tilden / Thomas A. Hendricks (D; 1877-1881) - Hayes should've won this, but, you know, politics
20. Winfield Scott Hancock / William Hayden English (D; 1881) - assassinated by a former subordinate and angry war veteran
21. William Hayden English / vacant (D; 1881-1885)
22. James G. Blaine / [John A. Logan / vacant] (R; 1885-1889)
23. Grover Cleveland / Allen G. Thruman (D; 1889-1893)
24. Benjamin Harrison / Whitelaw Reid (R; 1893-1897) - I was going to have Blaine run again here fulfilling the non-consecutive quota - but his death kind of ruined that.
25. William Jennings Bryan / [Arthur Sewall / vacant / Adlai Stevenson I] (D; 1897-1901) - assassinated by a Gold Standard anarchist
26. Adlai Stevenson I / [vacant / Henry G. Davis] (D; 1901-1909) - good ol' Adlai and his manly mustache
27. George Gray / John W. Kern (D; 1909-1913)
28. Theodore Roosevelt / Hiram Johnson (R; 1913-1921) - his malaria plagued him in the final years in the White House, when many considered Edith Roosevelt the Caretaker President
29. James M. Cox / Franklin D. Roosevelt (D; 1921-1923) - died of an upset stomach or something. Not killed.
30. Franklin D. Roosevelt / [vacant / Charles W. Bryan] (D; 1923-1929)
31. Al Smith / Joseph Taylor Robinson (D; 1929-1933)
32. Herbert Hoover / [Charles Curtis / vacant / Frank Knox / Charles L. McNary / vacant / John W. Bricker] (R; 1933-1945) - worked himself to death after ending Smith's Great Depression and getting us into World War II
33. John W. Bricker / [vacant / Earl Warren] (R; 1945-1953) - famous for the "Truman Defeats Bricker" image
34. Adlai Stevenson II / John Sparkman (D; 1953-1961)
35. Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. (R; 1961-1963) - assassinated by an lone Communist
36. Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. / [vacant / William E. Miller] (R; 1963-1969) - lost the South for a generation due to his support of civil rights reform (not that they really had it, though...)
37. Hubert Humphrey / [Ed Muskie / vacant / Sargent Shriver] (D; 1969-1974) - resigned from office after scandal around the riots in Chicago
38. Sargent Shriver / [vacant / Thomas Eagleton] (D; 1974-1977)
39. Gerald Ford / Bob Dole (R; 1977-1981) - was weakened in 1980 by a primary challenge from conservative icon Ronald Reagan.
40. Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (D; 1981-1989)
41. Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (D; 1989-1993)
42. George Bush / Dan Quayle (R; 1993-2001)
43. Al Gore / Joe Lieberman (D; 2001-2009)
44. John McCain / Sarah Palin (R; 2009-2017) - VP Palin known for her lovable gaffes
45. Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (D; 2017- )

 

[Ferguson97]

44. John McCain / Sarah Palin (R; 2009-2017) - VP Palin known for her lovable gaffes

Does this mean we get a bunch of McCain/Palin memes?

 

[Ferguson97]

Ross Perot '92
George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle (1989-1993)
def. 1988: Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen
Ross Perot/James Stockdale (1993-2001)
def. 1992: George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle, Bill Clinton/Al Gore
def. 1996: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp, Al Gore/Joe Lieberman
Jerry Brown/Douglas Wilder (2001-2005)
def. 2000: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney, Ralph Nader/Winona LaDuke
Ron Paul/John McCain (2005-2013)
def. 2004: Jerry Brown/Douglass Wilder, Orrin Hatch/Elizabeth Dole, Ralph Nader/Peter Camejo
def. 2008: John Kerry/Tim Kaine, Mitt Romney/Sarah Palin, Ralph Nader/Matt Gonzales
Chris Christie/Rick Perry (2013-2017)
def. 2012: John McCain/Gary Johnson, Barack Obama/John Edwards, Jill Stein/Cheri Honkala
Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren (2017-present)
def. 2016: Chris Christie/Rick Perry, Bill Weld/Rand Paul (Democratic Party endorsed Sen. Sanders)

 

[True Grit]

Ron Paul and John McCain being on the same ticket, let alone a third-party ticket, makes no sense.

 

[BlackentheBorg]

Wouldn't it go the House Speaker?

Upon a quick google, yeah, I'm a few years late for the Act of '78 to come into effect. My mistake.

 

[Alex Richards]

That really is amazingly dank @Uhura's Mazda

 

[Mumby]

LINCOLNSHIRE POACHER III: THE CENTRE CANNOT HOLD​

1916-1924: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1919 (Coalition with Conservatives, and National Democratic and Labour Party) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative), William Adamson (Labour), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), Henry Page Croft (National), various (Silver Badge), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), George Nicoll Barnes (National Democratic and Labour), Christopher Turnor (Rural), Christabel Pankhurst (Womens'), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour)
1924-1927: Austen Chamberlain (Conservative)
1924 (Coalition with National Democrats) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Henry Page Croft (National), Havelock Wilson (National Democrat), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), Herbert Matthews (Rural), Frederick Lister (Silver Badge), Tom Mitchell (Socialist Labour)
1927-1932: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1928 (Coalition with Nationals and 'Left' National Democrats) def. Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Leo Amery (National), Rhys Hopkins Morris (Liberal / 'Right' National Democrat), Christopher Turnor ('Left' National Democrat), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour), C.H. Hoare (Rural)
1932-1934: Leo Amery (National)
1932 (Coalition with Conservatives and National Democrats) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Noel Skelton (Conservative), Christopher Turnor (National Democrat), Tudor Rees (Liberal), Harry Pollitt (Socialist Labour), various (Workers of Britain)
1934-1935: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1934 (Coalition with National Democrats, Workers' of Britain and Socialist Labour) def. Oswald Mosley (New), Leo Amery (National / Conservative Alliance), Christopher Turnor (National Democrat), various (Workers of Britain), Harry Pollitt (Socialist Labour), Tudor Rees (Liberal)
1935-1935: Shapurji Saklatvala (Labour - National Democrat - Workers' of Britain - Socialist Labour Coalition)

1935-1939: BRITISH CIVIL WAR
1935-1939: Oswald Mosley (New / 'Official' National-Conservative Alliance / Liberal --- National Front)
1935-1939: Stafford Cripps (Labour / National Democrat / 'Anti-Fascist' National / Workers' of Britain / Socialist Labour --- Popular Front)

1939-1944: Stafford Cripps (United Labour)
1939 (Popular Front with National Democrats, Workers' Country and the National Alliance) def. unopposed

 

[Gorrister]

- Clynes stays on (you realize you could start there and lead Labour down the road to paranoid defensive authoritarianism with Moseley still in and the right assassination -- that's right, Who Shot J.R.?...)

Boo.

- earlier kick-start on a welfare state

Mostly just an expansion of the People's Budget and an earlier *NHS, but basically yeah.

- "some [Duce-bag] newspaper magnate" fails to take over Italy

Benny got thrown in prison and choked on a cannoli. Bully for him. Didnae matter in Italy as a whole, as the King gets set up as the head of a junta.

- CHANCELLOR VON LETTOW-VORBECK ROXXXXXORS FTW OK

Stressman and Airshipman too!

- Harry Nicks sits in the big chair

Very much Mosley's confidant ITTL. His son (who iotl was a very liberal Tory) gets to step up also.

- Nye gets kind of screwed but at least he has his moment

He got a short time in the limelight that didn't work out for him, but he might be better remembered down the line.

- "Kindly Tony" stays off the meth and doesn't suck

Oui. Corporal Eden never goes near the drugs with a 1920s POD.

- Amery and Moseley get smart on India

Amery couldn't because of Winnie's chokehold, but Ozzy gets a good and clean Indian exit. I'm thinking that ethnic troubles are slightly lesser ITTL.

-- the best eyebrows in OTL's postwar Britain besides Hugh Griffith.

I believe you are forgetting the late Denis Healey (who ttl is probably a prominent figure within the Communist 'shadow cabinet', as it were).

All these are doubleplusgood. Bravo.

Danke schon.

 

[Cevolian]

A YELLOW SUNSET, A RED DAWN
Britain's "One and Two Halves" Party system
​

1908-1914: Herbert Asquith (Liberal Minority with IPP Confidence and Supply)
1910 def - Arthur Balfour (Conservative/Liberal Unionist), John Redmond (IPP), George Nicoll Barnes (Labour)
1910 def - Arthur Balfour (Conservative/Liberal Unionist), John Redmond (IPP), George Nicoll Barnes (Labour)
1914-1920: Arthur Balfour (Unionist Majority)
1914 def - Herbert Asquith (Liberal), John Redmond (IPP), Eamon De Valera (Sinn Fein), George Nicoll Barnes (Labour)
1918 def - David Lloyd George (Liberal), J.R. Clynes (Labour), Eamon De Valera (Sinn Fein), John Redmond (IPP)
1920-1923: Walter Long (Unionist Majority)
1923-1925: Richard Haldane (Liberal Minority with Labour and IPCP Confidence and Supply)
1923 def - Walter Long (Unionist), Eamon De Valera (Sinn Fein), Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentary and Constitutional Party), Joseph Delvin (Irish Parliamentary and National Party)
1925-1927: George Curzon (Unionist Majority)
1925 def - Richard Haldane (Liberal), Arthur Henderson (Labour), Eamon De Valera/John Delvin (Irish National United Front), John Dillon (Irish Constitutionalist)
1927-1928: George Curzon (Unionist leading National Emergency Government with Liberals, Labour and Irish Constitutionalists)
1928-1929: Austen Chamberlain ("White Feather" Unionist leading "Peace" Government with Liberals and Labour)
1929-1934: Donald Maclean (Liberal-Labour Coalition)
1929 def - Sir Richard Cooper ("Martian" Unionists), James Maxton (Labour), Austen Chamberlain (Peace Coupon), Edward Carson (Irish Unionist), John Simon ("Martian" Liberal)
1934-1936: Samuel Hoare (Unionist-National Unionist Coalition)
1934 def - Oswald Mosley (Labour), Winston Churchill (National Unionist), Donald Maclean ("Official" Liberal), David Lloyd George (Independent Liberal), Philip Noel-Baker (Peace)
1936-1940: Samuel Hoare ("Government" Unionist leading National Government with Labour, Liberals and Peace)
1940-1941: Raymond Asquith (Liberal leading National Government with Labour, "Government" Unionists and Peace)
1941-1946: Leo Amery (Unionist Majority)
1941 def - Raymond Asquith (Liberal), Oliver Baldwin (Labour), Oswald Mosley (National Labour), Duff Cooper ("Government" Unionist), Philip Noel-Baker (Peace)
1946-0000: Leslie Hore-Belisa (Liberal-Centre Minority Coalition with Labour Confidence and Supply)
1946 def - Leo Amery (Unionist), Oliver Baldwin (Labour), Duff Cooper (Centre)

It's a no WW1 world! What happens here is that the Liberals, not tainted by WW1 (a version of which sees Germany beaten down quickly by Britain and France in 1915) don't die out and surge far longer. The Cinservaivea quickly become a semi-dominant party, with the Liberals and Labour both only ever big enough to form a government with one another's support. The Tories are only unable to become totally dominant because their vote is split itself, first in the 20s over the Irish Civil War and the "Ulster Question" (with the mainstream Unionist party unwilling to support Protestant Ethnic cleansing in the province) and then over the formation of a National Government to handle an alternate Great Depression in the late 1930s. Labour also splits over the issue of nationalism vs internationalism, with Mosley advocating a more imperialistic socialism which splits the party in two and prolongs the life of the Liberal Party. By 1946 the Liberals are, finally, on their last legs and are set to be overtaken by Labour, although they are so entrenched that they are almost certain to survive at a seat count just below Labour well into the 1960s...