List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Kermode]

Just as before, any feedback/criticism/suggestions will be highly appreciated.

Good job with the analogue. I like that you matched party by standing instead of ideology (ie: Canadian Liberals as UK Conservatives, Canadian Conservatives as UK Liberals), and then kept the people true to the party instead of having floor-crossers; it keeps things a bit more unpredictable, a bit more interesting, and just a bit more Canadian, maybe. (I also like that the left-wing SNP gets replaced with the right-wing UN.)

The people you've chosen to be Canadian equivalents are generally smart choices. A few I was particularly fond of and impressed by:

• Louis St. Laurent as Anthony Eden: My first thought on reading this was "that's unfair to St. Laurent, he was very successful, he doesn't deserve to be tarred with that brush" until I remembered that Eden himself had a reputation as effective and successful until he became prime minister. So I think this is actually perfect.
• Mitchell Sharp as Ted Heath: This took me a second because they're very different on the surface, but then I realized they're both continentalists. Clever!
• Pierre Trudeau as Margaret Thatcher: I assume the major impetuous here is that they're both extremely divisive figures, but Trudeau had his share of classical liberal tendencies, particularly in his early career, that I could see him as a right-winger.
• Jim Prentice as Nick Clegg: Both took their parties from ~60 seats to the single digits. Sad chuckle.

On the other hand, I don't think these quite worked:

• Lester Pearson as Alec Douglas-Home: I see the comparison is done on the basis of both having being foreign minister… but since Douglas-Home's leadership is more defined by the fact he was a Lord, I think it would have been better to use a Senator or even a Lieutenant Governor here.
• Shelly Glover as Theresa May: This one mostly disappoints me because you'd otherwise avoided using OTL Conservatives in TTL's Liberal Party. As an analogue it works well enough.
• Jim Flaherty as Tim Farron: I don't get this one. Farron's image was that he was on the left of the party, but also maybe not that socially progressive… I don't see how that applies to Flaherty at all. Granted, that's an unusual place to be for a Canadian politician, so finding an equivalent is tough… but I might have gone with someone from the social gospel wing of the NDP (Charlie Angus comes to mind, although he's not socially conservative at all).

 

[jyxz7]

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom (1979 - Present)
1979-1984: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1979 (majority) [339] def. James Callaghan (Labour) [269], David Steel (Liberal) [11], Others [16]
1984-1992: Denis Healey (Labour)
1984 (minority) con+sup w/ Liberal [324] def. Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) [277], David Steel (Liberal) [31], Others [18]
1986 (majority) [352] def. Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) [246], David Steel (Liberal) [31], Others [21]
1991 (minority) con+sup w/ Liberal [298] def. Michael Heseltine (Conservative) [281], Malcolm Bruce (Liberal) [32], Tony Benn (Socialists) [21], Others [18]
1992-2000: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
1992 (majority) [401] def. Denis Healey (Labour) [172], Tony Benn (Socialists) [43], Malcolm Bruce (Liberal) [16], Others [18]
1996 (majority) [348] def. Gordon Brown (Labour) [243], Tony Benn (Socialists) [31], Malcolm Bruce (Liberal) [10], Others [18]
2000-2008: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative)
2000 (coalition w/ Liberal) [334] def. Anthony Blair (Labour) [258], Robin Cook (Socialists) [27], Others [31]
2003 (coalition w/ Liberal) [388] def. Anthony Blair (Labour) [212], Ken Livingston (Socialists) [8], Others [22]
2008-2012: Hilary Benn (Labour)
2008 (majority) [336] def. David Davis (Conservative) [201], Jeremy Corbyn (Socialists) [43], Simon Hughes (Liberal) [38], Others [32]
2012-Present: David Miliband (Labour)
2012 (grand coalition w/ Conservative) [434] def. Jeremy Corbyn (Socialists) [61], Simon Hughes (Liberal) [53], Nigel Farage (Alliance) [15], Alex Salmond (Scottish National) [10], Peter Tatchell (New Deal) [7], Others [20]
2017 (grand coalition w/ Conservative) [387] def. Sarah Olney (Reform) [98], Keir Starmer (Unity) [48], Henry Bolton (Alliance) [22], Others [30]

Presidents of the United States (1977 - Present)
1977-1985: James Carter (Democratic)
1976 [50.1%|297] def. Gerald Ford (Republican) [48.0%|240]
1980 [46.4%|282] def. John Anderson (Republican) [39.2%|253], Ronald Reagan (National Voice) [11.7%|3]
1982; 27th Amendment Passes; presidential races now use run-off voting.
1985-1989: George Bush (Republican)
1984 [45.2%|55.3%] def. Gary Hart (Democratic) [45.8%|54.7%], Ronald Reagan (Independent) [5.6%|n/a]
1989-1997: Bob Dole (Republican)
1988 [42.1%|52.2%] def. Edward Kennedy (Democratic) [40.0%|47.8%], Pat Robertson (Constitution) [7.6%|n/a], Bernard Sanders (Independent) [6.5%|n/a]
1992 [40.4%|50.7%] def. Eugene McCarthy (Democratic) [41.3%|49.3%], Bernard Sanders (Democratic Liberty) [14.1%|n/a]
1997-2001: Antonin Scalia (Republican)
1996 [38.2%|50.0%] def. Bob Kerrey (Democratic) [48.7%|50.0%], Alan Keyes (United) [5.9%|n/a]
2001-2005: Bernard Sanders (Democratic)
2000 [42.2%|56.1%] def. Michael Enzi (Republican) [40.2%|44.9%], Albert Gore (Liberal) [15.4%|n/a]
2005-2009: Richard Cheney (Republican)
2004 [44.1%|51.8%] def. Bernard Sanders (Democratic) [47.0%|48.2%]
2009-2013: Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2008 [36.2%|57.2%] def. Rudolph Giuliani (Republican) [35.2%|42.8%], Dennis Kucinich (Change!) [23.1%|n/a]
2013-2017: Deval Patrick (Democratic)
2012 [37.7%|54.1%] def. Rick Santorum (Republican) [38.2%|45.9%], Kamala Harris (Change!) [15.2%|n/a]
2017-Present: Lawrence Lessig (Democratic)
2016 [38.1%|50.6%] def. Tusli Gabbard (Change!) [30.9%|49.4%], Benjamin Carson (Republican) [28.7%|n/a]

 

[wolfhound817]

The death of one of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention results in George Washington refusing to run for any elected office and the Articles of Confederation surviving until 1798.

No,

 

[BlackentheBorg]

Ends justifying the means, means justifying the ends

1933-1937: Leon Bronstein/Milo Reno†
defeated Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis
1937-1945: Leon Bronstein/Burton Wheeler
defeated Alf Landon/Frederick Steiwer
defeated Joseph W. Martin Jr./Robert Taft
1945-1945: Leon Bronstein†/Henry Wallace
defeated Styles Bridges/Joseph Bottum
1945-1949: Henry Wallace/[vacant]
1948-1953: Henry Wallace/Glen Hearst Taylor
defeated Robert Taft/Orville Bullington, Strom Thurmond/Benjamin T. Laney
1953-1961: Thomas E. Dewey/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.
defeated Henry Wallace/Robert Kerr, Walter Reuther/Rexford Tugwell
defeated Sidney McMath/Vito Marcantonio

 

[Hubert Humphrey Fan 1968]

Good job with the analogue. I like that you matched party by standing instead of ideology (ie: Canadian Liberals as UK Conservatives, Canadian Conservatives as UK Liberals), and then kept the people true to the party instead of having floor-crossers; it keeps things a bit more unpredictable, a bit more interesting, and just a bit more Canadian, maybe. (I also like that the left-wing SNP gets replaced with the right-wing UN.)

The people you've chosen to be Canadian equivalents are generally smart choices. A few I was particularly fond of and impressed by:

• Louis St. Laurent as Anthony Eden: My first thought on reading this was "that's unfair to St. Laurent, he was very successful, he doesn't deserve to be tarred with that brush" until I remembered that Eden himself had a reputation as effective and successful until he became prime minister. So I think this is actually perfect.
• Mitchell Sharp as Ted Heath: This took me a second because they're very different on the surface, but then I realized they're both continentalists. Clever!
• Pierre Trudeau as Margaret Thatcher: I assume the major impetuous here is that they're both extremely divisive figures, but Trudeau had his share of classical liberal tendencies, particularly in his early career, that I could see him as a right-winger.
• Jim Prentice as Nick Clegg: Both took their parties from ~60 seats to the single digits. Sad chuckle.

Thank you very much .

On the other hand, I don't think these quite worked:

• Lester Pearson as Alec Douglas-Home: I see the comparison is done on the basis of both having being foreign minister… but since Douglas-Home's leadership is more defined by the fact he was a Lord, I think it would have been better to use a Senator or even a Lieutenant Governor here.
• Shelly Glover as Theresa May: This one mostly disappoints me because you'd otherwise avoided using OTL Conservatives in TTL's Liberal Party. As an analogue it works well enough.
• Jim Flaherty as Tim Farron: I don't get this one. Farron's image was that he was on the left of the party, but also maybe not that socially progressive… I don't see how that applies to Flaherty at all. Granted, that's an unusual place to be for a Canadian politician, so finding an equivalent is tough… but I might have gone with someone from the social gospel wing of the NDP (Charlie Angus comes to mind, although he's not socially conservative at all).

I'll address these individually:

Pearson: Yeah I fully admit that one is a bit of a stretch, if I'm being honest I kinda just guessed for that one. I am however, short on potential replacements.

Flaherty: Well, the idea here is that Flaherty would be skeptical of the coalition just as Farron was. Maybe that doesn't hold up, but that was my reasoning.

 

[lerk]

We've done Reagan as FDR, so how about FDR as Reagan?

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1941), D-NY
33. John Nance Garner (1941-1945), D-TX
34. Wendell Willkie (1945-1953), R-NY
35. Tully Charles Garner (1953-1961), D-TX
36. James P. Mitchell (1961-1969), R-NJ
37. George Romney (1969-?), D-MI

In this ATL, WWII doesn't break out and FDR declines to run for a third term. Vice-President Garner of Texas is nominated by the Democrats, and prosecutor Thomas Dewey is chosen by the Republicans. Dewey has an early lead, but his cold personality and incompetent general election campaign open the door for Garner to upset him and become America's 33rd President. However, Garner is overwhelmed by domestic issues and in 1944 he loses to charismatic New York Governor* Wendell Willkie. (In this ATL Willkie lives ten years longer due to butterflies). Willkie is a popular President, but a sex scandal erupts in his second term and destroys his credibility. Garner's son, Texas Governor Tully Charles Garner, capitalizes on the scandal to narrowly defeat Willkie's Vice-President in the closest election in American history. Yet Garner stumbles into a disastrous war in Vietnam, and a major recession in 1958 sees the Republicans sweep the midterms. Two years later, New Jersey Governor James P. Mitchell is elected as America's first Catholic President. But in 1968, Secretary of State Henry Cabot Lodge loses to former businessman George Romney of Michigan**.

*Willkie wanted to run for Governor in 1942, but Dewey's candidacy prevented him from doing so.
**Romney considered entering politics as a member of either party. In this ATL he chooses the Democrats instead of the Republicans.

I really like John Garner as the George H. W. Bush analogue.

 

[Joshua Ben Ari]

Presidents of the United States
35. 1961-1966: John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1960: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. (Republican)
1964: Nelson Rockefeller / Hiram Fong (Republican)
36. 1966-1973: Lyndon B. Johnson / vacant 1966-1967/ Hubert H. Humphrey (1967-1973) (Democratic)
1968: Ronald Reagan / Clifford Case (Republican)
37. 1973-1981: George Romney / William Scranton (Republican)
1972: Hubert H. Humphrey / Terry Sanford (Democratic)
1976: Birch Bayh / Frank Church (Democratic)
38. 1981-1989: Dale Bumpers / Reubin Askew (Democratic)
1980: William Scranton / Edward Brooke (Republican)
1984: Christopher "Kit" Bond / Robert Ray (Republican)
39. 1989-1997: George Deukmejian / Nancy Kassebaum (Republican)
1988: Reubin Askew / Albert "Al" Gore, Jr. (Democratic)
1992: Patricia "Pat" Schroeder / Sam Nunn (Democratic)
40. 1997-2001: E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown / Tom Harkin (Democratic)
1996: Nancy Kassebaum / John McCain (Republican)
41. 2001-2009: Nancy Kassebaum / Christine Todd Whitman (Republican)
2000: E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown / Tom Harkin (Democratic)
2004: Dick Gephardt / Bob Graham (Democratic)
42. 2009-2011: John Edwards / John Kerry (Democratic)
2008: Christine Todd Whitman / William "Bill" Weld (Republican)
43. 2011-2013: Jerry Kerry / Bill Richardson (Democratic)
44. 2013-present: Richard "Dick" Zimmer / John Thune (Republican)
2012: John Kerry / Bill Richardson (Democratic)
2016: Evan Bayh / Martin Heinrich (Democratic)

 

[Anarcho-Occultist]

And You Said We Would Fail
Lyndon LaRouche/Walter Mondale 1977-1981
John B. Anderson/Ben Fernandez 1981-1989
Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul 1989-1993
Eugene McCarthy/Tom Harkin 1993-2001
Gary Bauer/Lamar Alexander 2001-2009
Robby Welles/John Kerry 2009-2017
Bobby Jindal/George Pataki 2017-2021
Richard Ojeda/Eric Garcetti 2021-

 

[Hubert Humphrey Fan 1968]

Prime Ministers of Canada:
2003-2006: Paul Martin (Liberal)
2004 (Minority): Stephen Harper (Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois), Jack Layton (New Democratic)
2006-2008: Stephen Harper (Conservative)
2006 (Minority): Paul Martin (Liberal), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois), Jack Layton (New Democratic)
2008-Present: Gerard Kennedy (Liberal)
2008 (Minority): Stephen Harper (Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois), Jack Layton (New Democratic)
2010 (Minority): Jim Prentice (Conservative), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois), Jack Layton (New Democratic)
2012: Jim Prentice (Conservative), Tom Mulcair (New Democratic), Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Québécois)
2016: Jason Kenney (Conservative), Tom Mulcair (New Democratic), Serge Cardin (Bloc Québécois)

 

[Excelsior]

Tom and Jerry
1974-1979: Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
1976: Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller (Republican) def. Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic)

1979: Gerald Ford/vacant (Republican)
1979-1981: Gerald Ford/Bob Dole (Republican)​

1981-1989: Paul Simon/Reubin Askew (Democratic)
1980: Paul Simon/Reubin Askew (Democratic) def. Bob Dole/George Bush (Republican)
1984: Paul Simon/Reubin Askew (Democratic) def. Howard Baker/Kit Bond (Republican)
1989-1997: Jack Kemp/Lynn Morley Martin (Republican)
1988: Jack Kemp/Lynn Morley Martin (Republican) def. Reubin Askew/John Glenn (Democratic), Jerry Brown/Jesse Jackson (New Start)
1992: Jack Kemp/Lynn Morley Martin (Republican) def. Al Gore/Paul Tsongas (Democratic)
1997-2005: Ann Richards/Chuck Robb (Democratic)
1996: Ann Richards/Chuck Robb (Democratic) def. Lynn Morley Martin/Carroll Campbell (Republican)
2000: Ann Richards/Chuck Robb (Democratic) def. Jeb! Bush/Olympia Snowe (Republican)
2005-2009: Jim McGreevey/Harvey Gantt (Democratic)
2004: Jim McGreevey/Harvey Gantt (Democratic) def. Susan Molinari/John McCain (Republican)
2009-2011: Matt Fong†/Dick Posthumus (Republican)
2008: Matt Fong/Dick Posthumus (Republican) def. Harvey Gantt/Patrick J. Kennedy (Democratic), Dirk Kempthorne/Trent Lott (Morality)
2011-2011: Dick Posthumus/vacant (Republican)
2011-present: Dick Posthumus/Peter Fitzgerald (Republican)
2012: Dick Posthumus/Peter Fitzgerald (Republican) def. Cecile Richards/Mike Hatch (Democratic)
2016: Dick Posthumus/Peter Fitzgerald (Republican) def. Dwight Evans/Clay Aiken (Democratic)
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2020: Matt Blunt/B.J. Pak (Republican) vs. Krystal Ball/Rick Noriega (Democratic)

† died in office

Paul Simon is elected governor in 1972 and he and Gerald Ford both win re-election to their respective offices in 1976. Simon becomes president in 1980.

 

[Anarcho-Occultist]

2016, Forever
Donald Trump/Mike Pence 2017-2021
2016: Def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine
Hillary Clinton/Sherrod Brown 2021-2025
2020: Def. Donald Trump/Mike Pence, John Kasich/Jeff Flake
Donald Trump/Nikki Haley 2025-2029
2024: Def. Hillary Clinton/Sherrod Brown
Chelsea Clinton/Beto O’Rourke 2029-2033
2028: Def. Donald Trump, Jr./Tom Cotton
Ivanka Trump/Mike Lee 2033-
2028: Def. Chelsea Clinton/Beto O’Rourke, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Richard Ojeda

Trump was unpopular going into 2020 and consequently dozens of Democratic candidates from Joe Biden to Tulsi Gabbard entered the fray. However few expected 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton to once again throw her hat into the ring. Even fewer realized Clinton could very well win the primaries, thanks to divided opposition and bitterness by Democrats at her loss in 2016. And so 2020 became a 2016 rematch where buyer’s remorse won the day.

However Clinton’s presidency was turmoil-filled as her predecessor, while he officially conceded, continued to slam her policies on Twitter and insinuate she had rigged the election. Scandals surrounding Clinton continued to emerge and in 2024 she looked vulnerable. Shock and horror set in when Trump once again was nominated and managed to avenge his 2020 loss, even finally winning the popular vote.

Trump’s second term was only slightly calmer then his first-or perhaps everyone was just more desensitized after eight years of seeming endless campaign posturing. Most people were simply resigned to the 2028 choice between Trump Jr. and a third Clinton. The latter won out and her administration was yet another mess. Ivanka 2032 was seemingly inevitable and so it came to pass. Will Chelsea come back or can Ivanka finally end the cycle that began in 2016? Only time will tell

 

[EbolaMan131]

2016, Forever
Donald Trump/Mike Pence 2017-2021
2016: Def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine
Hillary Clinton/Sherrod Brown 2021-2025
2020: Def. Donald Trump/Mike Pence, John Kasich/Jeff Flake
Donald Trump/Nikki Haley 2025-2029
2024: Def. Hillary Clinton/Sherrod Brown
Chelsea Clinton/Beto O’Rourke 2029-2033
2028: Def. Donald Trump, Jr./Tom Cotton
Ivanka Trump/Mike Lee 2033-
2028: Def. Chelsea Clinton/Beto O’Rourke, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Richard Ojeda

Trump was unpopular going into 2020 and consequently dozens of Democratic candidates from Joe Biden to Tulsi Gabbard entered the fray. However few expected 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton to once again throw her hat into the ring. Even fewer realized Clinton could very well win the primaries, thanks to divided opposition and bitterness by Democrats at her loss in 2016. And so 2020 became a 2016 rematch where buyer’s remorse won the day.

However Clinton’s presidency was turmoil-filled as her predecessor, while he officially conceded, continued to slam her policies on Twitter and insinuate she had rigged the election. Scandals surrounding Clinton continued to emerge and in 2024 she looked vulnerable. Shock and horror set in when Trump once again was nominated and managed to avenge his 2020 loss, even finally winning the popular vote.

Trump’s second term was only slightly calmer then his first-or perhaps everyone was just more desensitized after eight years of seeming endless campaign posturing. Most people were simply resigned to the 2028 choice between Trump Jr. and a third Clinton. The latter won out and her administration was yet another mess. Ivanka 2032 was seemingly inevitable and so it came to pass. Will Chelsea come back or can Ivanka finally end the cycle that began in 2016? Only time will tell

Jesus don't scare us like this

 

[Anarcho-Occultist]

Jesus don't scare us like this

I was inspired by the fact it feels like the 2016 campaign never ended and I wanted to take it further.

 

[Zachary VIII]

2016, Forever

 

[Newne76]

Yet Another Completely Nonsensical list of Presidents of the United States
1.John Paul Jones/Abraham Whipple (Naval Tradition)( April 30th,1789- March 4th,1793)
2. Thomas Paine/George Clinton (Despotic-Revolutionary)( March 4th 1793-March 4th,1801)
3.Thomas Pickeney/John Adams (Federalist)(March 4th,1800- March 4th,1808)
4.Jonathan Mason/Samuel Johnson (Federalist)(March 4th,1808-March 4th,1816)
5. Samuel Smith/Robert G. Harper (Revolutionary)(March 4th,1816-March 4th,1821)
6.Rodger G. Harper/John Adams (Revolutionary)(March 4th,1821- March 4th,1824)
7.Smith Thompson/Andrew Jackson (Revolutionary)(March 4th,1824-August 9th,1825)*
8.Andrew Jackson/William Eustis (Revolutionary)(August 10th,1825-March 4th,1829)
9.Daniel Webster/John C. Calhoun (Revolutionary)(March 4th,1829- March 4th,1837)
10. Philip P. Barbour/Rodger B. Taney (Law and Order)(March 4th,1836-January 2nd,1841)*
11. Rodger B. Taney/Vacant (Law and Order)(January 3rd,1841-March 4th,1845)
12. John Tyler/John Spencer (Constitution)(March 4th,1845-March 4th,1849)
13. John Bell/Edward Everet (Constitution)(March 4th,1849-March 4th,1857)
14. John Dix/Martin Van Buren (Revolutionary)(March 4th,1857-March 4th,1865)
15. Gerrit Smith/Lysander Spooner (Abolitionist)(March 4th,1865-September 2nd,1870)*
16. Lysander Spooner/Vacant (Abolitionist)(September 2nd,1870- March 4th,1873)
17.Peter Cooper/John A. Stewart (Greater Yankee Nationalist)(March 4th,1873-March 4th,1881)
18. Joseph H. Choate/Thomas A. Hendricks (Revolutionary)(March 4th,1881-March 4th,1889)
19. Thomas A. Hendricks/Levi P. Morton (Revolutionary)(March 4th,1889-March 4th,1893)
20. Harris M. Palasted/Matthew Q. Clay (Corruption)(March 4th,1893-March 4th,1901)
21. John D. Long/Joseph B. Foraker (Populist)(March 4th,1901-March 4th,1909)
22. Joseph B. Foraker /Homer Davenport (Populist)(March 4th,1909-March 4th,1913)
23. Edward Smith/Arthur Roston (Titanic-Nationalist)(March 4th,1913-March 4th,1917)
24. John Sharp Williams/Woodrow Wilson (Constitution)(March 4th,1917-March 4th,1929)
25. Franklin Delano Roosevelt/Herbert Hoover (Revolutionary)(March 4th,1929-March 4th,1937)
26. Alf Landon/Al Capone (Conservative-Populist)(March 4th,1937-January 20th,1941)
27. Al Capone/Henry Ford (Conservative-Populist)(January 20th,1941-January 20th,1949)
28. William F. Halsey/John G. Crommelin (Naval-Tradition)(January 20th,1949-January 20th,1957)
29. Herbert Hoover/Barry Goldwater (Revolutionary)(January 20th,1957-January 20th,1965)
30. Barry Goldwater/J. Edgar Hoover (Revolutionary)(January 20th,1965-January 20th,1973)
31. Jimmy Carter/George Wallace (Constitution)(January 20th,1973-January 20th,1981)
32. George Wallace/Storm Thurmond (Constitution)(January 20th,1981-January 20th,1989)
33. Alf Landon/Storm Thurmond (Constitution)(January 20th,1989-January 20th,1993)
34.Joe Biden/Bill Clinton (Constitution)(January 20th,1993- August 1st,1995)*
35. Bill Clinton/Vacant (Constitution)(August 1st,1995-January 20th,1997)
36. Don Knotts/Danny Devito (Laughter)(January 20th,1997- February 18th,1999)*
37. Danny Devito/ Vacant(Laughter)(February 18th,1999-January 20th,2001)
38. John Goodman/Chuck Grassley (Revolutionary) (January 20th,2001-July 14th,2003)I
39. Chuck Grassley/Vacant (Revolutionary)(July 14th,2003-January 20th,2005)
40. George W. Bush/John McCain (Revolutionary)(January 20th,2005-January 20th,2009)
41. Bill Gates/John Kerry (Constitution)(January 20th,2009-October 10th,2010)*
42.John Kerry/Vacant (Constitution)(October 10th,2010-January 20th,2013)
43.Mark Kirk/Sam Brownback (Revolutionary)(January 20th,2013-December 1st,2014)R
44. Sam Brownback/Vacant (Revolutionary)(December 1st,2014-January 20th,2017)
45. Robin Williams/Jeff Goldblum (Laughter)(January 20th,2017- April 23rd,2017)*
46. Jeff Goldblum/vacant (Laughter)(April 23rd,2017- January 20th,2021)
47. Carl Fitzgerald/Caroline Wesley (Constitution) (January 20th,2021-January 15th,2025)*
In order to better appeal to the female vote which had swung hard after the scandal plagued presidency of Bill Gates, freshman senator from Colorado Caroline Wesley was picked up as the running mate to Carl Fitzgerald. Her administration would finally see an end to the Iraq War, bolstered with the reinstatement of Saddam Hussein back into power as a "stabilizer". His relationship with british prime minister Christopher Chope was one of vehement disagreement with one another and a worsening of Anglo relations, so much that Fitzgerald would begin to promote a new ideological faction within the Constitution party called Anglophobic Fitzgeraldism. It was also during this time the Capital Relocation Act of 2022 was signed into law. This had the capital move to the city of the president-elect's birth.
48. Caroline Wesley/Vacant (Constitution) (January 15th,2025-January 20th,2025)
The First Female president and shortest administration so far in the united state's history, Wesley's presidency was not remembered for any of her breif policy initiatives that would fizzle out with the swearing in of Corkbach, but by her most memorable address to the nation shortly after Fitzgerald's unfortunate death. Besides the rousing speech she had given the nation, she is merely a footnote in the history books.
49. Millard Corkbach/Justin Earl (Revolutionary) (January 20th,2025-January 20th,2029)
The presidency of Millard Corkbach would see the nation take a radical course alteration. Besides calls to bring back Prohibition and overturn Grant v. Board of Education Bismark, he also declared war on the United Kingdom, dubbing the war "War of 1812 round two". The war would see Ottawa nuked into oblivion and the devastation of Chicago, the new american capital. Despite frenzied counterattacks and large military purges of the ranks, there would be renewed attempts at removing Corkbach from office via both impeachment and military force, both of which would backfire and fail resoundingly.

The Front line stabilized in mid 2027 with the retaking of Philadelphia, peace talks finally began in September and concluded with the signing of the treaty of Baghdad, arbitrated by Uday Hussein of Iraq. (Hussein would be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his actions) Turning attention back to his domestic agenda, he would attempt to shutdown the entire nation with military force in late 2027, being forced out by mutinous soldiers and the brave actions of former president Jeff Goldblum, who became the powerful speaker of the house after entering politics for a second time.

With failure at home and abroad, he would act increasingly authoritarian and be seen swindling large sums of cash from local Salt Lake City gangsters, including a scandal which would see his entire cabinet resign and the position be filled with acting members which would be there for the rest of Corkbach's administration.
One positive aspect of his presidency was the harsh crackdown on drug trafficking from the Carolina bayous, though this was offset with his idiotic decision of utilizing atomic weapons in Charleston to prevent more drugs. He would also be the president which would reshape the secret service into a combination of enforcers and secret police,thoroughly modifying the constitution to repeal the 4th Amendment with the 30th Amendment.

During the 2028 election, Corkbach would lose in a landslide of 75,000,000 popular and 535 electoral votes to 650,000 popular and 3 electoral votes, winning only Wyoming, two of which defected to Daniels during the voting process in December. The sole elector was officially awarded the position of secretary of state, being confirmed narrowly in early January of 2029, eighteen days before he was to leave office.
50. Arnold Daniels/Jefferson Patrick (Constitution) (January 20th,2029-August 4th,2030)*
51. Jefferson Patrick/Vacant (Constitution) (August 4th,2030-January 20th,2037)
52. Elijah Alvin/Kate Hood (Constitution)(January 20th,2037-April 3rd,2045)*
53. Kate Hood/Vacant (Constitution) (April 3rd,2045-July 5th,2047)*
54.Morgan Ranger/Jack Hatch (Constitution) (July 5th,2047-January 20th,2049)
55. Woodrow Solomon/Jefferson Issac (Constitution) (January 20th,2049-January 20th,2061)
56. Michael Fisher/Harrison Duncan (Constitution) (January 20th,2061-January 20th,2073)
57. Carlos McNamara/ Ronald Jackson (Constitution) (January 20th,2073-December 25th,2078)*
58. Ronald Jackson/Pete Rockefeller (Constitution) (December 25th,2078-December 25th,2080)*
59.Pete Rockefeller/Carter Hood (Constitution) (December 25th,2080-January 20th,2081)
60. Gordon Miller/Patrick Dinkleman (Constitution) (January 20th,2081-January 20th,2085)
61. Patrick Dinkleman/Sarah Hood (Constitution) (January 20th,2085-March 14th,2088)*
62. Sarah Hood/ Blake Watters (Constitution) (March 14th,2088-January 20th,2089)
63.Pete Rockefeller/Carter Hood (Constitution) (January 20th,2089-January 20th,2093)
64. Gary Doofensmirtz/Perry Ferb (Revolutionary) (January 20th,2093-January 20th,2101)
*= Died in Office/Assassinated
R= Resigned
I= Impeached
Italics indicate made up name

 

[DrWalpurgis]

Yet Another Completely Nonsensical list of Presidents of the United States

I have so many questions.
For a start, how the heck did Constitution govern for 54 years uninterrupted? What the hell did Corkbach do that was so bad?

 

[Whiteshore]

Ends justifying the means, means justifying the ends

What is Russia like in this world and what was Bronstein's Presidency like?

 

[BlackentheBorg]

What is Russia like in this world and what was Bronstein's Presidency like?

Russia proceeds virtually identically to TTL. Stalin succeeded Lenin after his main challenges, Alexei Rykov and Nikolai Bukharin, are found dead outside an illegal speakeasy and ripped apart by hunting dogs, respectively.

Bronstein is pretty much just FDR but more mobile and fiery on the podium. In many ways he was more efficient, managing to shove through a signature civil rights bill before he suffered a stroke in '45. Unfortunately, the one bit where he fell flat was his ability to get rather hawkish as the war went on -- this was largely the reason he tapped Wallace in '45, in order to have a more friendly buffer with the Soviets.

 

[GermanDjinn]

View attachment 433396

 

[AstroRangerBeans]

List of Presidents of the United States of America:

1786-1797: Benjamin Franklin (I- PA)
1786 def: George Clinton (AF-AD)
1797-1801: Karel Benedik (F-AD)
1796 def: Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
1800 def: Karel Benedik (F-AD)
1804 def: Charles Pinckey (F-SC)
1809-1817: James Madison (DR-VA)
1808 def: Charles Pinckey (F-SC)
1812 def: DeWitt Clinton (F-SC)
1817-1825: James Monroe (DR-VA)
1816 def: Rufus King (F-NN)
1820 def:
1825-1829: John Quincy Adams (DR-MA)
1824 def: Andrew Jackson (DR-TN)
William H. Crawford (DR-GA)
Henry Clay (DR-KY)
1829-1837: Andrew Jackson (D-TN)
1828 def: John Quincy Adams (NR-MA)
1832 def: Henry Clay (NR-KY)
John Floyd (NF-VA)
William Wirt (AM-MD)
1837: Marten van Buren (D-NN) *
1836 def: William Harrison (W-OH)
Hugh White (W-TN)
Daniel Webster (W-MA)
Willie P. Magnum (W-NC)
1837-1841: William Henry Harrison (W-OH)
1841-1845: Richard M. Johnson (W-KY)
1840 def: John Quincy Adams (NR-MA)
James G. Birney (L-KY)
1845-1849: James K. Polk (D-TN)
1844 def: Henry Clay (W-KY)
James G. Birney (L-KY)
1849-1850: Zachary Taylor (W-LO) *
1848 def: Lewis Class (D-MI)
Charles Francis Adams (FS-MA)
1850-1853: Daniel Webster/Millard Fillmore (W-KY)
1853-1857: Franklin Pierce (D-NH)
1828 def: Daniel Webster (W-MA)
1857-1861: James Buchanan (D-PA)
1856 def: John C. Fremont (R-CA)
Millard Filmore (KN-AD)
1861: Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) **
1860 def: John C. Breckinridge (SD-KY) [1]
John Bell (CU-TN)
Stephen Douglas (ND-IL)
1861-1864: Gijsbert Westhuizen (FS - NN) **
1864-1869: Ulysses S. Grant (DU - IL)
1864 def: George B. McClellan (D-NN)
1869-1877: Benjamin Wade (DU-OH)
1868 def: Horatio Seymour (FS-NN)
1872 def: Horace Greeley (LR-NN)
1877-1885: Samuel J. Tilden (FS-NN)
1876 def: Samuel J. Tilden (DU-NN)
1880 def: Winfield S. Hancock (DU-PA)
1885-1889: Grover Cleveland (DU-NN)
1884 def: James G. Blaine (R-ME)
1889-1897: Chauncey Depew (FS - NN)
1888 def: Grover Cleveland (DU-NN)
1892 def: Grover Cleveland (DU-NN)
James B. Weaver (P-IA)
1897-1901: William McKinley (DU-OH) **
1896 def: William Jennings Bryan (FS-NE)
1896 def: William Jennings Bryan (FS-NE)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (DU-NN)
1904 def: Nelson A. Miles (FS-MA)
Eugene Debs (S-IN)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (FS - OH)
1908 def: John A. Johnson (DU - MN)
Eugene Debs (S-IN)
1913-1921: Theodore Roosevelt (P-NN)
1912 def: William Howard Taft (FS-OH)
Eugene Debs (S-IN)
1916 def: Eugene Debs (S-IN)
Charles Evan Hughes (FS-AD)
1921-1929: Eugene Debs (S-IN)/Charles Ruthenberg (S-OH)
1920 def: James M. Cox (FS-OH)
Warren G. Harding (DU-OH)
Parley P. Christensen (FL-DS)
1924 def: Robert M. La Follette Sr. (P-WI)
John W. Davis (FL - AP)
Martijn Woerdman (VNP-NN)
1929-1933: Earl Browder (S-NN)/William Z. Foster (S-MA)
1928 def: Al Smit (P-NN)
Herbert Hoover (L-IA)
1933-1950: Charles de Gaulle (C-IN)/Francisco Franco (C-MI)
1932 def: Al Smit (P-NN)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (S-NN)
Herbert Hoover (L-IA)
1936 def: Al Smit (P-NN)
Manuel L. Quezon (L-AD)
Jose Rizal (FL-CA)
1940 def: Al Smit (P-NN)
Thomas E. Dewey (SD-NN)
1944 def: Thomas E. Dewey (SD-NN)
Constitutional Amendment Modification of 1948
1950-1955: Thomas E. Dewey (SD-NN)/Norman Thomas (SD-OH)
1949 def: Harold Stassen (CD-MN)
Henry Wallace (P-CT)
Harry Truman (FL-OH)
1955-1960: Dwight D. Eisenhower (CD-PA)/Christian Herter (CD-MA)
1954 def: Adlai Stevenson (SD-IL)
Estes Kefauver (P-MD)
Willem Drees (VNP-MA)
1960-1970: John F. Kennedy (SD-MA)/Wayne Morse (SD-WH)
1960 def: Nelson Rockefeller (CD-NN)
Stuart Symington (P-MO)
Victor Marijnen (VNP-CA)
1964 def: Nelson Rockefeller (CD-NN)
Diosdado Macapagal (P-LZ)
Hubert Humphrey (FL-OH)
Barry Goldwater (NU-AZ)
Piet de Jong (VNP-CA)
1970-1974: Richard Nixon (CD-CA)/Spiro Agnew (CD-MD) #
1969 def: Robert F. Kennedy (SD-NN)
Joaquin Balaguer (P-SD)
Sergio Osmena, Jr. (FL-LZ)
1974-1980: François Mitterrand (SD-VT)/Sargent Shriver (SD-MD)
1974 def: Ronald Reagan (CD-CA)
William Tolbert (P-LB)
Ferdinand E. Marcos (FL-LZ)
Dries van Agt (VNP-NN)
Joaquin Balaguer (AFPU-SD)
1980-1985: Robert F. Kennedy (SD-NN)/George McGovern (SD-DA)
1979 def: Dries van Agt (CD-NN)
Benigno S. Aquino Jr. (P-LZ)
Américo Tomás (NU-RI)
Hans Wiegel (VNP-NN)
Juan Bosch (PftR-SD)
1985-1990: Ronald Reagan (CD-CA)/Dries van Agt (CD-NN)
1984 def: Robert F. Kennedy (SD-NN)
Jacobo Maijluta (P-SD)
Ron Paul (NU-PA)
Hans Wiegel (VNP-NN)
Michel Rocard (PftR-MO)
1990-2000: Corazon Aquino (PG-LZ)/Al Gore (PG-AP)
1989 def: Dries van Agt (CD-NN)
Nancy Pelosi (SD-CA)
Hans Wiegel (VNP-NN)
Joaquin Balaguer (PftR-SD)
Karl Rove (NU-CO)
1994 def: Carolyn B. Maloney (SD-NN)
Steve Forbes (CD-NN)
Wim Kok (VNP-NN)
Juan Bosch (PftR-SD)
2000-2005: Alan Keyes (CD-MD)/Donald Rumsfeld (CD-IL)
1999 def: Al Gore (PG-AP)
Lynn Rivers (SD-MI)
Bruno Gollnisch (NU-MO)
Dr. Jan Peter Balkenende (VNP-NN)
Joseph Estrada (PftR-LZ)
2005-2007: Barack Obama (SD-IL)/Quang X. Pham (SD-CA) **
2004 def: Alan Keyes (CD-MD)
Howard Dean (PG-VT)
Hans Wiegel (VNP-NN)
Gloria Arroyo (PftR-LZ)
Richard Scaife (NU-PA)
2007-2015: Quang X. Pham (SD-CA)/Muhammad Yunus (SD-NN)
2009 def: Mitt Romney (CD-MA)
Tom Vilsack (L-IA) [2]
Joe Biden (PG-DE)
Mark Rutte (VNP-CA)
Leonel Fernandez (PftR-SD)
Laura Ingraham (NU-CT)
2015-2018: Ferdinand "Bongbong" Marcos, Jr. (NU-LZ)/George Weah (CD-LB) ##
2014 def: Kamala Harris (SD-CA)
Pamela Elizondo (PG-VT)
Mike McFadden (CD-MN)
Gary Johnson (L-AZ)
Mark Rutte (VNP-CA)
Loren Legarda (PftR-LZ)
2018-present: Rohit Khanna (SD-CA)/Beto O'Rourke (SD-AZ)
[1] Mass walkouts of Southern Democrats
[2] Libertarian
[3] First President to die
[4] Liberal
* - Died in office
** - Assassination
# - resigned
## - ousted by vote of no confidence