List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[dw93]

Me and a friend discussed what would happen if 9/11 went a lot worse. It's a little ASB, but whatever.

Presidents of the United States:
Bill Clinton (D-Arkansas) 1993-2001
VP: Al Gore (D-Tennessee) 1993-2001
1992: George H.W. Bush (R-Texas)/Dan Quayle (R-Indiana), Ross Perot (I-Texas)/James Stockdale (I-Illinois)
1996: Bob Dole (R-Kansas)/Jack Kemp (R-New York), Ross Perot (R-Texas)/Patrick Choate (District of Columbia)

George W. Bush (R-Texas) 2001
VP: Dick Cheney (R-Wyoming) 2001
2000: Al Gore (D-Tennessee)/Joe Lieberman (D-Connecticut)

Dick Cheney (R-Wyoming) 2001
VP: None

Strom Thurmond (R-South Carolina) 2001
VP: None

Colin Powell (R-New York) 2001-2009
VP: None 2001-2002
Robert Gates (I-Texas) 2002-2009
2004: Wesley Clark (D-Arkansas)/Howard Dean (D-Vermont), Paul Wellstone (I-Minnesota)/Dennis Kucinich (I-Ohio)

Jeb Bush (R-Florida) 2009-2013
VP: Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) 2009-2013
2008: Tom Vilsack (D-Iowa)/Jeanne Shaheen (D-New Hampshire), Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont)/Dennis Kucinich (I-Ohio)

Wesley Clark (D-Arkansas) 2013-
VP: Kathleen Sebelius (D-Kansas) 2013-
2012: Jeb Bush (R-Florida)/Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont)/Chris Van Hollen (I-Maryland)
2016: Mark Sanford (R-South Carolina)/Meg Whitman (R-California), Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont)/Russ Feingold (I-Wisconsin)

Doesn't Dennis Hastert become President in the event something happens to both Cheney and Bush or did something happen to him in this TL as well. Also, the Democrats controlled the Senate in 2001, so I take it Jeffords never switched parties this TL.

 

[CanadianTory]

Doesn't Dennis Hastert become President in the event something happens to both Cheney and Bush or did something happen to him in this TL as well. Also, the Democrats controlled the Senate in 2001, so I take it Jeffords never switched parties this TL.

You're absolutely right. That's what I get for posting a list at 12:43 in the morning.

I gotta stop doing that, lol.

 

[Yes]

Princess Diana, whose Muslim second husband had died in a car crash a couple of years before, was the only person in the country with the gravitas to lead (except perhaps Noel Edmonds).

This, alone, would have been enough. Many of us thank you.

 

[Yes]

Does Thurmond resign or die?



Medicarey, Nicklesonomics and a man from Texas
Essentially a repost of this list, but with more than just names and dates this time around


1977-1981: Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Bob Dole (R-KS)
1976: Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN)

In one of all possible worlds, a haggard Jerry Ford would in a debate against his folksy challenger deny that there was such a thing as Soviet dominance in Eastern Europe. It would contribute to his defeat in the upcoming election and give America a brief Democratic window in-between the Nixon and the Reagan years. This however, is not that world, and channeling the gravitas given to him by his office and his thirty years in D.C. President Ford would beat the former Georgia Governor into a verbal pulp. The momentum granted by the victory would not be enough to overcome the weight of Richard Nixon, the energy crisis and the fall of Saigon in the eyes of the American public, but it did move the states of Ohio and Wisconsin into the Republican column, which in the end would be enough. Mrs Ford would to her death maintain that this was the stupidest thing her husband ever did. Ford's second term would be dominated by his perceived inability to handle the energy crisis and assorted new and exciting economic phenomena's, with a botched attempt to stifle an anti-Shah (and anti-American) revolution in Iran finishing of five disastrous years in late 1979. It would be with a sigh of relief that a term-limited Ford handed of his responsibilities for the country and the escalating Republican civil war in January 1981.

1981-1989: Hugh Carey (D-NY)/Dale Bumpers (D-AR)
1980: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Kit Bond (R-MO)
1984: Bob Dole (R-KS)/James Thompson (R-IL)

If there's one man who 21st century Democrats finds themselves measured against (and in that measure often found wanting), it is Hugh Leo Carey. A New Deal Liberal with a reputation for fiscal discipline, the New Yorker with the deep voice, the sympathetic personal story (the tale of the widowed father would tug many a heartstrings) and fourteen telegenic children would, after Ted Kennedy dropped out before ever dropping in and Jerry Brown flamed out, take on both Fitz Hollings and Lloyd Bentsen in a fierce but ultimately short primary struggle. Crushing a bloody and battered Ronald Reagan (who had have to all but burn down his own party to defeat the Vice President) in the general election, Carey had on his side a mandate and a friendly Congress not seen in at least sixteen years. Although the man himself would rather his legacy to be his national healthcare plan ("Medicarey"), in popular memory he would be remembered as the driving force behind the fall of the Soviet Union as a superpower (the increased defense spending's of the 80's would completely and irrevocably put a stop on any plans of the Carey Administration to cut the deficit) and the booming economy of the 1980's. All-in-all and with one big exception, President Carey would retire a happy man, and as the respected Grand Old Man of his party (if one who would become increasingly at odds with the party-line on abortion).

1989-1993: Robert Orr (R-IN)/Phil Gram (R-TX)
1988: Dale Bumpers (D-AR)/John Kerry (D-MA)

For much of the 1988 election season, Indiana Governor Robert Orr wasn't a future President. He was one of several potential sacrificial lambs sent forward by the Republican leadership to prevent someone like Pat Robertson from embarrassing the party. That's not to say that he wasn't a serious candidate, but until late September 1988 everyone who mattered knew that Vice President Bumpers was the de-facto President-elect. Then, as if to show the usefulness of the chattering class, things changed. As the slowly deteriorating Soviet Union very directly lashed out against massive protests in several satellite states, the Carey Administration responded in a perhaps prudent, but hardly aggressive, manner. Latching onto the contrast between the now iconic picture of teenage dissidents gunned down by Soviet troops in Rostock and the carefully worded rebuke of President Carey and Secretary of State Nunn. Orr successfully turned a 20 points deficit into an effective tie in nine weeks, and after a nailbiter of an election night came out on top in one of the closest elections in US history.

Despite the rhetoric which had made him President, Robert Orr would govern almost as the patron saint of cautious statesmen. Through careful diplomacy he guided the fallen remains of the former Soviet block through a peaceful transition to (semi)democracy, and his response to the recession of 1991 can only be described as “measured and constructive”. Indeed, Orr had it in him to become one of the great ones, were it not for one tiny fact: People just didn’t like him. Perhaps it was due to President Orr being a very different public person than Candidate Orr, or perhaps it was his inability to avoid taking the lion-share of the blame for the de-facto state of war which had broken out between the White House and the heavily Democratic Congress (Orr had run ahead of the rest of his party by a significant margin in 1988). Nevertheless, despite all efforts and good intentions, Robert Orr was not destined to become one of the Great Ones, and would be swept out by another unlikely President.

1993-1997: Harris Wofford (D-PA)/Bob Graham (D-FL)
1992: Robert Orr (R-IN)/Phil Gram (R-TX)

A liberal civil servant former activist, Pennsylvania Governor Harris Wofford was certainly not the expected Democratic nominee. However, his technocratic focus on bread-and-butter issues would set him apart in comparison with his main rivals, and after unexpectedly sweeping the southern primaries on the back of the black vote (and a split white one, courtesy of Governor Miller and Senator Gore) he emerged as the frontrunner. Picking the safely moderate Bob Graham to share the ticket with him, he unseated President Orr with a decent (but not great) margin in the general. With a liberal President and a (largely) liberal Congress once again in place, many Democrats hoped for a return to the Carey years, and by-and-large they would be proved correct. While the economic recovery would be sluggish at best, Wofford used his significant post-election mandate to push through a large-scale education program, and would continue Orr’s policy of support and reconciliation in Eastern Europe (the Soviet Union proper still limped on, but had seen its influence significantly reduced). The 1994 midterms saw a reduction in the the party’s significant majorities, but the Democrats had reason to be at least cautiously optimistic about their prospects for 1996, at least before the passing of the First Lady. Clare Wofford had been her husband's closest adviser for decade, and her death of leukemia in early 1996 would effectively break the President. While Democratic strategists hoped that the sympathy-bump would be enough to keep Wofford electorally steady, it was clear to the public that his wife’s death had taken a severe toll on the President’s health and psyche (at 70, his age played no small part either). Had he stepped down in favor of Vice President Graham, the election might had been salvaged, but with the President insisting on soldiering on he would be an easy target for the Republican challenger, and once again the Democrats found themselves on the wrong side of a previously unexpected result.

After making public his relationship with another man some twenty years after he left office, Harris Wofford have recently emerged as the first confirmed LGBT President.

1997-2005: Don Nickles (R-OK)/Steve Merrill (R-NH)
1996: Harris Wofford (D-PA)/Bill Nelson (D-FL)
2000: David Price (D-NC)/Evan Bayh (D-IN)

If Hugh Carey is the hero of the modern Democratic Party, Don Nickles is his Republican equivalent. As unexpected a President as his two predecessor, the conservative Oklahoma Senator had successfully rallied both the Christian Right and the establishment party mainstream in his quest for the nomination, and would skillfully exploit Wofford’s badly led campaign (while never attracting the rage of the public by appearing to disrespect the memory of the late First Lady) on his way to the Presidency. Being sworn in with a new Republican Senate (the first one in 40 years) and a reduced Democratic majority in the House, Nickles sat to work on what would arguably be the biggest paradigm-shift since the 1930’s. The tax-cuts, the deregulation's and the conservative social agenda might have been par for the course even in previous decades, but the sheer scale, combined with significant welfare reform and several major trade deals (the North American Border Agreement, NABA, foremost among them) would have cemented Nickles as one of the great reformers even had he been kicked out in 2000. Now, that was not to happen, and backed by a booming economy the President easily dispatched Senator Price in a 43-state landslide (the controversial Democratic primary undoubtedly played a roll as well, with the runner-up Governor Feingold leaving the party in protest and serving out his remaining two terms as an independent).

The 2000 election would also break the Democratic stranglehold on the House, with Minority Leader Cheney taking over as the first Republican Speaker since Joe Martin. After eight undoubtedly successful years behind him, would be able to retire doing what Hugh Carey hadn’t: hand over the White House to his chosen successor and Vice President.

2005-2009: Steve Merrill (R-NH)/Katherine Harris (R-FL)
2004: Tom Carper (D-DE)/Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-AR)

Steve Merrill had not been a happy Vice President. As Governor he had turned a budgetary disaster into the most fiscally prudent state in America and won reelection with almost three-quarters of the vote, but in Washington he played second (if even that) fiddle to a man he considered his inferior in every way. But he had kept his quiet and done his duty, and now he would reap his reward. Swept into office as the third term of Don Nickles, Merrill was desperate to create his own legacy and had big plans. To a certain extent, he succeeded, overseeing an ambitious re-write of the tax code and new trade agreements with Latin America before the floor went out of the global economy in early 2006. It wasn’t Merrill’s fault, not really, but he was the President and it didn’t take long before Democrats from all walks of life placed the blame squarely at the feet of Nicklesonomics. As such, it surprised absolutely no one when Merrill, his young Vice President (Katherine Harris would make history in her own right, being together with Arkansas’ Hillary Clinton the first female Vice Presidential nominee, and the first one to be elected) and the Congressional majorities that just a few years earlier had been called permanent were swept out of office in a landslide even Don Nickles would’ve been proud off.

2009-2017: Max Sandlin (D-TX)/Janet Napolitano (D-AZ)
2008: Steve Merrill (R-NH)/Katherine Harris (R-FL)
2012: Randy Daniels (R-NY)/Duncan Hunter (R-CA)

While he have been accused of surrendering to the legacy of Nickles and Merrill, no one can deny that Max Sandlin will be remembered as one of the most successful Democrat in the party’s history. Emerging as the victor from a crowded Democratic primary field, the centrist Texas Governor would go on to easily route President Merrill (and the rest of the Republican Party). Overseeing a moderate economic recovery and (some) reversals of the welfare reforms of the previous administrations, Sandlin’s signature moves would be the controversial Immigration Reconstruction and Control Act, which would be decried as a general amnesty by hawks on both sides of the aisle. Despite uproar against IRCA, Sandlin would manage to repeat his 2008 landslide four years later against the NY Governor Randy Daniels in what would become the dirtiest campaign in a generation. Daniels, who in securing the nomination had become the first African-American major party nominee in American history, was in all probability doomed from the start, but few doubt that Sandlin wouldn’t had been able to become the first Democrat since Carter to take the entire deep south had some local party organizations not employed a few unsavory tactics in their attempt to contrast the black yankee with the good ol’ boy from Texarkana. Like Nickles, President Sandlin would successfully see his Vice President succeed him, and only time will tell if she will fare better than the last Vice President to take over from their boss.

2017-: Janet Napolitano (D-AZ)/Thomas McDermott (D-IN)
2016: Jack Ryan (R-IL)/Tom Osborne (R-NE)

And this, it feels like, is a little lost in the wake of @Uhura's minor masterpiece. It's very good, manages to be smart about its hipsterisms (there's some good deep dives in there), gives us the Hugh Cary TL (in a bottle) that should probably exist somewhere, and lively writing too.

ETA: I'd like to add a special thanks for putting David Price in there; he was my congressman in college and I've rarely if ever had a better one. 1994 sucked even worse for him going down. Nice to see him get his fifteen minutes of list

 

[asanh]

Jesus Christ U's M

It's just [ON FIRE]

 

[Cevolian]

NICKLAND; FEAR AND LOATHING IN THE DECADE OF SCHIZOPHRENIA
I. Don't. Even. Know.
​

1989-1990: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative leading Wartime National Government with Conservatives, Labour, Liberals and SDP)
1990-1990: David Owen (SDP leading Wartime National Government with Conservatives, Labour, Liberals and SDP)
1990-1999: Gen. Peter Inge (Non-Partisan leading Emergency Reconstruction Government backed by Military Forces)
1999-2009: Peter Mandelson (NuRe4m-Social Liberal-Workers' Coalition)
1999 def - David Owen (Democratic - Conservative/"National" SDP/"National" Labour), Nick Griffin (British Values), Paddy Ashdown (Social Liberal), Alan Clark (National), Eric Hobsbawm (Workers'), Collective (Alliance for a New British Century), Collective (Never Again - the Anti-Nuclear Party, funded by the estate of the late Stephen Fry)
2004 def - Joanne Rowling (Democratic), Paddy Ashdown (Social Liberal), James Goldsmith (National), Nick Griffin (British Values), Peter Taafe (Workers'), Peter Hitchens (Rebirth), Michael Meadowcroft (Liberal Action)
2009-2014: Charles Kennedy (Democratic-Social Liberal-Liberal Action Coalition)
2009 def - Peter Mandelson (Re4m '09), Roger Knapman (National), Peter Hitchens (Rebirth), Peter Taafe/Caroline Lucas (Workers'), David MacDonald (Social Liberal), Nick Griffin (British Values), Steve Radford (Liberal Action)
2014-20---: Nick Land (Rebirth-National-"Resurgence" Democrat-British Values Coalition)
2014 def - Caroline Lucas/Ian Duncan-Smith (Workers'), Paul Farage (National), Tim Farron (Alliance 2.0 - Social Liberal/Liberal Action), David Miliband ("Official" Reform Party), Jon Cruddas (National Re4m), Charles Kennedy (Democratic), Tommy Robinson (British Values), Peter Mandelson (P-ter '14 - the true Party for Re4m), Katie Hopkins (K-T 4 BRITAIN)


Somehow the Soviet Union collapses so horribly that there's a limited East-West nuclear exchange, in which Britain is worst hit proportionally due in part to Thatcher's belligerent response until she dies and is replaced by Owen (only selected as a compromise candidate by a parliament now just over 70 members strong). Almost every major politician is killed, and after nine years of starvation, rationing, and uatocratic military rule, the country returns to democracy. The PR voting system leads to the immediate emergence of wacky and crazy parties, whilst the dearth of serious political figures means that the early years of the new state are dominated by Mandelson as the only man with major political experience willing to rule and not tainted with the failures of the exchange. New Reform is turfed out in 2009 in favour of a centrist coalition, which then presides over total economic meltdown, and the annhialation of the British fleet after it engaged with the forces of LaPen's French National Republic in the channel. A humiliated pariah, Britain narrowly gives the "Rebirth" Party a plurality of seats and they form a two seat majority with the various willing right wing parties - but the party is far from its reactionary, nationalist, origins - the bizarre ideas of its leader Nick Land and his backwards, elitist, intentions now loom over a shattered nation...





(yes the whole thing was just an attempt to make Land PM)

 

[Yes]

NICKLAND; FEAR AND LOATHING IN THE DECADE OF SCHIZOPHRENIA
I. Don't. Even. Know.
​

1989-1990: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative leading Wartime National Government with Conservatives, Labour, Liberals and SDP)
1990-1990: David Owen (SDP leading Wartime National Government with Conservatives, Labour, Liberals and SDP)
1990-1999: Gen. Peter Inge (Non-Partisan leading Emergency Reconstruction Government backed by Military Forces)
1999-2009: Peter Mandelson (NuRe4m-Social Liberal-Workers' Coalition)
1999 def - David Owen (Democratic - Conservative/"National" SDP/"National" Labour), Nick Griffin (British Values), Paddy Ashdown (Social Liberal), Alan Clark (National), Eric Hobsbawm (Workers'), Collective (Alliance for a New British Century), Collective (Never Again - the Anti-Nuclear Party, funded by the estate of the late Stephen Fry)
2004 def - Joanne Rowling (Democratic), Paddy Ashdown (Social Liberal), James Goldsmith (National), Nick Griffin (British Values), Peter Taafe (Workers'), Peter Hitchens (Rebirth), Michael Meadowcroft (Liberal Action)
2009-2014: Charles Kennedy (Democratic-Social Liberal-Liberal Action Coalition)
2009 def - Peter Mandelson (Re4m '09), Roger Knapman (National), Peter Hitchens (Rebirth), Peter Taafe/Caroline Lucas (Workers'), David MacDonald (Social Liberal), Nick Griffin (British Values), Steve Radford (Liberal Action)
2014-20---: Nick Land (Rebirth-National-"Resurgence" Democrat-British Values Coalition)
2014 def - Caroline Lucas/Ian Duncan-Smith (Workers'), Paul Farage (National), Tim Farron (Alliance 2.0 - Social Liberal/Liberal Action), David Miliband ("Official" Reform Party), Jon Cruddas (National Re4m), Charles Kennedy (Democratic), Tommy Robinson (British Values), Peter Mandelson (P-ter '14 - the true Party for Re4m), Katie Hopkins (K-T 4 BRITAIN)


Somehow the Soviet Union collapses so horribly that there's a limited East-West nuclear exchange, in which Britain is worst hit proportionally due in part to Thatcher's belligerent response until she dies and is replaced by Owen (only selected as a compromise candidate by a party now just over 70 members strong). Almost every major politician is killed, and after nine years of starvation, rationing, and uatocratic military rule, the country returns to democracy. The PR voting system leads to the immediate emergence of wacky and crazy parties, whilst the dearth of serious political figures means that the early years of the new state are dominated by Mandelson as the only man with major political experience willing to rule and not tainted with the failures of the exchange. New Reform is turfed out in 2009 in favour of a centrist coalition, which then presides over total economic meltdown, and the annhialation of the British fleet after it engaged with the forces of LaPen's French National Republic in the channel. A humiliated pariah, Britain narrowly gives the "Rebirth" Party a plurality of seats and they form a two seat majority with the various willing right wing parties - but the party is far from its reactionary, nationalist, origins - the bizarre ideas of its leader Nick Land and his backwards, elitist, intentions now loom over a shattered nation...





(yes the whole thing was just an attempt to make Land PM)

If Mr. Land doesn't have a prototype Cyberman in his Downing St. basement I for one shall be very disappointed. Also how much are Guy Fawkes masks going for ITTL?

 

[Cevolian]

If Mr. Land doesn't have a prototype Cyberman in his Downing St. basement I for one shall be very disappointed. Also how much are Guy Fawkes masks going for ITTL?

The Prime Minister has plans for a full national upgrade, an issue on which he will issue a statement surely. Whilst initially being sold en masse in reference to Alan Moore's "V For Vendetta" , sales have dropped since the Protest (Prohibition of Organised Dissent) Act, 2016.

 

[BlackentheBorg]

I don't know where I went for this one.

Apple Carts

1981 - 1981: Ronald Reagan†/George H.W. Bush [Republican]
Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale [Democrat], John Anderson/Patrick Lucey [Independent]
1981 - 1981: George H.W. Bush†/[vacant][1]
1981 -1982: Alexander Haig/[vacant][2]
1982 - 1983: Alexander Haig†/Howard Baker†[3]
1983 - 1983: George P. Shultz/[vacant]
1984 - 1991: George P. Shultz†/Robert McFarlane ["Wartime" Republican]
'84: [elections suspended]
'88: Pete du Pont/Clayton Yeutter ["Normality" Republican], Bill Clements/various ["Challenger" Republican], Thomas Foley/Daniel Ellsberg, Norman Finkelstein/William Blum [Independent/"Dove"], Linda Jenness/Jim Bohlen [Workers]
1991 - 1991: Robert McFarlane/[vacant] [4]
1991 - 1991: William Weld/Joe Paterno [5]
1991 - 2001: Tim Wirth/Mike Espy
'91: Joe Paterno/Edward R. Madigan, William Mandel/various ["McCarthy" Republican], Ray Metcalfe/Ronald Radosh ["Reform" Republican], Huey P. Newton†/William E. Forbes ["New Beginnings" (Dove-Workers-various)]
'96: Oliver North/Ed Derwinski, Tom Ridge/Nicholas F. Brady, Ronald Daniels/Andre Marrou
2001 - : Pete Domenici/Anne M. Gorsuch ["New Peace" Bipartisan Coalition]
Robert Rubin/Leon Panetta, Bill Frist/Michael Boskin, various minor parties

[1] Reagan assassinated by John Hinkey.
[2] Bush goes missing when Air Force one vanishes over the Atlantic. Sec. State Alex Haig is sworn in.
[3] Remembered as "the Butcher & the Baker", entice a nuclear exchange when NORAD suffers a malfunction. Marine One was struck by a shockwave and sent down before it could reach Cheyenne Mountain.
[4] Shultz is shot dead by a deranged protester while on the ground in Little Rock, Texas.
[5] Weld and the "Normality" Republicans make a 'quiet coup' to remove the totalitarian Wartime government, then force a snap election.

 

[Aolbain]

And this, it feels like, is a little lost in the wake of @Uhura's minor masterpiece. It's very good, manages to be smart about its hipsterisms (there's some good deep dives in there), gives us the Hugh Cary TL (in a bottle) that should probably exist somewhere, and lively writing too.

Thank you. Can't say I'm too concerned to be overshadowed by Uhura's Mazda's list, that's only right.

ETA: I'd like to add a special thanks for putting David Price in there; he was my congressman in college and I've rarely if ever had a better one. 1994 sucked even worse for him going down. Nice to see him get his fifteen minutes of list

When I constructed the original list way back when, I tried to find people who could've won Senate or Gubernatorial seats in swing states, and Price was one of the ones I could find a reasonable amount of information on. Unfortunately he got absolutely crushed electorally, but still.

 

[Gorrister]

Britain Stronger With Europe

1922-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative)
1922 (Majority) def. J. R. Clynes (Labour), H. H. Asquith (Liberal), David Lloyd George (National Liberal)
1923-1926: William Clive Bridgeman (Conservative)
1926-1930: J. R. Clynes (Labour)
1926 (Coalition with Liberals) def. William Clive Bridgeman (Conservative), David Lloyd George (Liberal), Winston Churchill (Constitutionalist), Albert Inkpin (Communist)
1930-1935: Leo Amery (Conservative)
1930 (Coalition with Constitutionalists) def. J. R. Clynes (Labour), David Lloyd George (Liberal), Winston Churchill (Constitutionalist), Albert Inkpin (Communist)
1935-1939: Oswald Mosley (Labour)
1935 (Majority) def. Leo Amery (Conservative + Constitutionalist), Issac Foot (Liberal), Henry Hogbin (Continuity Constitutionalist), Shapurji Saklatvala (Communist)
1939-1944: Harold Nicolson (Labour)
1940 (Majority) def. Philip Cunliffe-Lister (Conservative), Issac Foot (Liberal), Willie Gallacher (Communist)
1944-1953: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
1944 (Majority) def. Harold Nicolson (Labour), Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberal), Willie Gallacher (Communist), William Joyce (Anti Europe Coalition)
1949 (Coalition with Liberals) def. Harold Nicolson (Labour), Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberal), Bob Stewart (Communist)
1953-1955: Anuerin Bevan (Labour)
1953 (Coalition with Communists) def. Anthony Eden (Conservative), Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberal), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1955-1956: Mungo Murray (Conservative)
1955 (Majority) def. Aneurin Bevan (Labour), Ivor Davies (Liberal), Wogan Philipps (Communist), Enoch Powell (Anti-Union Movement)
1956-1960: Mungo Murray (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, Liberals, War Communist, Anti-Union Movement)
1960-1967: Nigel Nicolson (Labour)
1960 (Majority) def. Mungo Murray (Conservative), Ivor Davies (Liberal), Wogan Philipps (War Communist), Enoch Powell (Anti-Union Movement), Annie Maxton (Anti-War Communist)
1964 (Majority) def. Anthony Nutting (Conservative), Ivor Davies (Liberal), J. R. Campbell (Communist), Oliver Smedley (Anti-Union Movement)
1967-1974: George Woodcock (Labour)
1969 (Coalition with Liberals and Communists) def. Anthony Nutting (Conservative), Ivor Davies (Liberal), Oliver Smedley (Anti-Union Movement), Hugh Scanlon (Communist)

"With the ascension of Britain into this new European Union, we shall find ourselves entering a new glorious age. Do not view it as a cession of our independence, but rather a chance to exert our power outwards."
- Foreign Secretary Winston Churchill, June 24th 1934

@Comisario (apologies about nicking Smedley)
@Gonzo

 

[Gonzo]

@spookyscaryskeletons y u do tis to meh?

 

[Gorrister]

@spookyscaryskeletons y u do tis to meh?

The idea came to me after I read Heath's offhand remark about Churchill supporting such a move in 1930.

As with OTL, it takes two decades for a proper anti-EU party to get going (Enoch's badly stung after the decolonization attempted by Mosley, Nicolson, and Eden).

 

[Japhy]

The idea came to me after I read Heath's offhand remark about Churchill supporting such a move in 1930.

As with OTL, it takes two decades for a proper anti-EU party to get going (Enoch's badly stung after the decolonization attempted by Mosley, Nicolson, and Eden).

This would be a perfect list for footnotes you know...

 

[Gorrister]

This would be a perfect list for footnotes you know...

Yes yes yes.

 

[Comisario]

Britain Stronger With Europe

...

"With the ascension of Britain into this new European Union, we shall find ourselves entering a new glorious age. Do not view it as a cession of our independence, but rather a chance to exert our power outwards."
- Foreign Secretary Winston Churchill, June 24th 1934

@Comisario (apologies about nicking Smedley)
@Gonzo

You've hardly stolen him and, even if you had, it's definitely for a good cause.

I really like this list. By 'really like', I mean 'want to make sweet love to'.

This would be a perfect list for footnotes you know...

I was about to write the same thing.

 

[Steve Brinson]

Lone Star-1

1987-1988: Bill Clements (R)
def. Mark White (D)

"Question: Shall Governor William Perry Clements be impeached?
"The impeachment prevailed by the following vote: Yeas 94, Nays 45."​

1988-1991: Bill Hobby (D)

"I will not run to seek a full term as Governor."​

1991-1995: Tom Craddick (R)
def. Bob Bullock (D)

"This so-called 'Robin Hood' plan steals from the poor and gives to the government."​

1995-1999: John Sharp (D)
def. Tom Craddick (R)

"Our economists anticipate that oil prices should return to normal within the next three months."​

1999-2007: Carole Keeton Strayhorn (R)
def. John Sharp (D), David Cobb (E)
def. John Whitmire (D), Dan Patrick (V)

"I would rather spend the money to educate our students now than to imprison them later."​

2007-2012: Michael L. Williams (R)
def. Senfronia Thompson (D)
def. John L. Odam, Jr. (D)

"I accept the nomination for President of the United States."​

2012-????: Christi Craddick (R)
def. Judith Zaffrini (D)

"We know what needs to be done to balance the environment and the economy of Texas better than Washington does."
​

The vote to impeach Governor Clements for his assisting with the cover-up and maintenance of a "slush fund" for players on the SMU football team while a member of the Board of Governors was controversial and narrow, but enough Republicans abstained to allow it to proceed. Longtime Lieutenant Governor Bill Hobby was thrust into the limelight, but he could not exert his influence as effectively as in the Lieutenant Governor's office, and decided not to seek another term in 1990.
Tom Craddick had been a member of the Texas House for over two decades. Unlike Hobby, he could effectively dominate the legislature, but that came at a cost - he alienated many legislators through his autocratic rule, and he became the public face of opposition to the popular "Robin Hood" school finance reform plan. Despite the Republican wave of Tsongas's first midterms, Craddick was defeated by Comptroller John Sharp.
Sharp oversaw the implementation of Robin Hood during his first year in office. His next three, however, were much less successful. The passing of the Christopher-Gaidar agreement saw a glut of oil bring economic chaos to Texas, not helped by the 1997 collapse of Enron. Sharp's attempt to swing towards the center on oil only succeeded in alienating liberals, who coalesced around Ecology Party candidate David Cobb. Austin Mayor Carole Keeton Strayhorn was elected.
Strayhorn's tenure was controversial. Too moderate for conservatives and too conservative for moderates, she seemed at times to govern by approval rating. Still, she managed to get elected in both of President Alexander's midterms, while modifying and expanding Robin Hood and SCHIP. Refusing to run for re-election in 2006, she nevertheless became the longest-serving Texas Governor in history.
Michael L. Williams was the first African-American Governor of Texas. A more reliable conservative than Strayhorn, Williams made headlines for a standoff with President Glendening over abortion. This raised his profile enough to make him the favorite for the 2012 Republican nomination. Resigning from the governorship to run, he defeated Vice President Murray for the Presidency.
Christi Craddick, daughter of former governor Craddick, has thus far been a popular if quiet Governor. Her environmental policy has drawn criticism, but is fairly popular in Texas itself, while her state's restrictions on abortion were narrowly upheld by the Supreme Court. Going into the 2018 election, rumor has it that she's going to try to break Governor Strayhorn's 8-year record...

 

[Bolt451]

ALTERworld (UK PMs but they are limited to one term each)


Neil Kinnock (1992-1997)
Tony Blair (1997-2001)
Gordon Brown (2001-2005)
David Cameron (2005-2010)i
George Osborne (2010-2015)
Jeremy Corbyn (2015-2020) (Coalition with the SNP until 2017, when Labour gains a majority on its on)
Tim Farron (2020-2025)

I really like the concept, though there's a huge amount of parallelism and choice of PMs and party leaders from OTL given the amount of time its over

and towards the end, what's the reasoning behind Corbyn given the incredible circumstances and pattern of events that made one of the most back bench-est of back benchers into Labour leader after the 2015 GE, let alone getting elected PM in 2015. also have the lib dems been doing better than OTL to have won an election in 2020?

then again after OUR 2916, all things are possibke

 

[shiftygiant]

Trying my hand at the the PMs for One Parliment thing.

oh voy

much convergence

1955-1959: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
1959-1964: Harold Macmillan (Conservative)
1964-1966: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1966-1970: George Brown (Labour)
1970-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative)
1974-1979: James Callaghan (Labour)
1979-1983: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1983-1987: William Whitelaw (Conservative)
1987-1992: Leon Brittan (Conservative)
1992-1997: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
1997-2001: Tony Blair (Labour)
2001-2005: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2005-2010: Nick Brown (Labour)
2010-2015: David Cameron (Conservative)
2015-2020: George Osborne (Conservative)
2020-2025: Sajid Javid (Conservative)

Whilst this is a bit of fun and somewhat shitpost-y, there is something interesting in the intellectual exercise of a Prime Minister bound by a term limit (Major, IIRC, wanted to set it at 8 years, Brown believed that you should only serve 6). Of course, there aren't many in the last fifty who would have been able to surpass it (Thatcher and Blair being the only PMs to actually push past eight years), but it is interesting none the less.

 

[Gorrister]

Britain Stronger With Europe

The POD here is Stanley Baldwin accepting the offer from Bonar Law to become Governor General of South Africa. In his absence upon Law's resignation, there is a closely contested fight to replace him. Chamberlain is out as per OTL, and Curzon is still Curzon so he's not the one ascending to Number 10. Instead, it is Home Secretary William Clive Bridgeman, appointed on the basis of being a 'safe pair of hands'. Bridgeman is unlike Baldwin in that he is not particularly fussed on the issue of tariffs and as such waits out the clock with regards to the election. International affairs concern the British Foreign Office as a harsh military junta is set up in Italy with the King in charge following the failure of some newspaper baron to usurp the government there. The 1926 election from the outset looks like a decent if small victory for the Tories, but the General Strike flares up midway through the campaign. Both Labour and the Liberals see a massive surge, with Churchill's Constitutionalist Bloc securing a dozen seats. Clynes (who because BUTTERFLIES is kept on) secures a coalition with the Liberals in exchange for a compromise on free trade. Social Housing and greater unemployment benefits are introduced, as stimulus is part of Clynes' general manifesto. The nationalization of the Steel industry incites controversy with Labour's coalition partners, but Lloyd George is cautious about wrecking the government when the Depression strikes. Clynes' economic programs help mitigate the harshest effects, and co-operation vis a vis trade with German Chancellor Stressman assists in promoting calm on the continent. These negotiations prove useful in helping Euro-British relations. The junta in Italy is concerning, but Clynes spends more time trying to keep the peace in the unstable Spanish Republic, which ends up paying off years later.

Amery does not win a lofty majority as once predicted, and must go into coalition with Churchill (who now sits well on 22 seats) in order to give his government spine. He is not daft and indeed doesn't undertake harsh cuts to the economy, instead relying on trade with Europe in order to keep the markets afloat. President McAdoo in America is not so useful in this regard, meaning that Amery must establish a great friendship with Chancellor Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck (who sees a turnaround in the German economy after Stressman's tenure, no doubt bolstered by the public morale boost that came after Hugo Eckener's victory in 1932) and French President Astride Briande. Foreign Secretary Winston Churchill fosters the idea of a 'European Community' as early as 1930, when he comes into office as part of a coalition agreement. The immense threat of Stalin's Russia provokes them into action, and a series of negotiations between 1930 and 1934 which eventually produces the trappings of a 'European Union' with the signing of the Nuremberg Treaty on the 23rd of June, 1924. The decision is mostly met with warm welcome from the Liberals and even the opposition leader Oswald Mosley, whose parliamentary party evidently disagree. The ascension of Britain into this new union gives rise to the Communists, who finally secure more than one MP at the 1935 election, which results in a Mosley-jority. Mosley works to secure Indian independence before troubles flare (Amery was hampered by Churchill), and he appoints Britain's first High Ambassador to Luxembourg in the form of Herbert Morrison in an attempt to push him out of the political arena. He also expanded upon Clynes' welfare state, introducing the 'National Hospital Service'. Troops were sent to continue peacekeeping operations in Spain. Mosley would be assassinated in Indonesia by a rogue operative of the Japanese Kempeitai, who feared his military rampup.

Harry Nicolson is the man to step up to the crease in times of national mourning, and he does so with gusto. Overseeing a radical revamping of the UK's transport networks, with an emphasis on creating rail lines in the north, Nicolson would go down as the man who built the trains. He would also enter Britain into a brief skirmish with Japan when the IJN attempted an ambush of British naval forces at Hong Kong. He does not form a National Government, and only accepts help from the Dutch and KMT Governments in combating the Japanese threat. Within a year and with Korea lost to China, Japan is dealt a harsh blow and must retreat into a corner for some time. Nicolson calls an election after the victory is won, but in a shocker, Tony Eden wins (Bill Joyce wins a seat on an anti EU platform, and then resigns after a finance scandal). He spends his time reforming the industrial consensus and introducing reforms to Union strikes. Eden's military rampup keeps the Russians concerned, though relations are thawed somewhat after Stalin has a heart attack and Grand Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevsky replaces him. During this time, the Communists grow in popularity as Labour is seen as worryingly inefficient. The right of his party, including Lord Churchill, is angered by his concessions to the decolonization supporters with the 'pawning off' of territories in Africa. Eden also introduces key education reforms, an issue both Mosley and Nicolson ignored. He leaves office in 1953 well loved, forever immortalized as Kindly Tony, the man who led the nation through mourning after the death of George V in 1946.. Replacing him is the scot Mungo Murray, whose posh background does not endear him to the general electorate and he loses the majority a month after entering Number 10. Labour just about comes out ahead, with the new Anti-Union Movement coming into fruition, headed by prominent academic Enoch Powell.

Bevan's fraught term would be dominated by failed attempts to reform the healthcare system, as well as the granting of more powers to the unions in a sop to his Communist coalition partners. He also angers the other EU registrar states with his talk of winding down Labour's involvement in the organization if they dared to make a unilateral declaration on wages and prices as threatened by Sweden. The matter of Europe also splits the Communists, who are divided between Eurocommunist and 'Homeland'-communist schools of thought. The rise of radical right wing parties in Germany (the NSDAP came back after Hitler's death in the mid-30's) and France cause consternation with the higher ups of the EU as Labour wonders if it will ever agree upon Britain's true nature in Europe. Bevan's government collapses and Murray returns to his old residence. Within a year, Japan (in alliance with the hermit state of Italy) restarts tensions as it attempts an invasion of India. Murray, attempting to bring the nation together, forms a War Government as Britain enters a more serious war against the Empire. America joins in, co-operating in a problematic invasion of the Home Islands. Occupation proves to be a serious issue as the opposition call for a quicker withdrawal. Meanwhile, Germany is angered at Britain's lack of involvement with the occupation of Italy, which has a messy transition into a new state. Russia seeks to involve themselves in Asia, seizing Korea upon the Empire's dissolution in a decision that leaves Murray seething. The National Government comes to an end in 1960, and the art-loving Nigel Nicolson wins a majority in 1960. He pushes the art aspect of Britain's appearance on the world stage, vastly increasing funding for arts projects around the country. He also sees the abolition of draconian abortion and divorce laws. Nicolson is in office during the adoption of the 'European Ducat' by many EU members. Nicolson opts out for the time being, but promises a referendum on the matter come 1965 as the Anti-Union movement swells in popularity (the hijacking of it by businessman Oliver Smedley displeases Powell, who spends his years afterwards as an independent). The referendum does come in 1967 and features a testy political debate. Smedley intervenes many times, on one occasion printing several 'Zero Worth Ducats' which eventually become collector's items. The outcome is a narrow rejection of Ducats, and Nicolson is left reeling. While many backbenchers vouch for him, he feels as if he is unable to continue and hands power over to the Grey Bushy-Eyebrowed George Woodcock. Woodcock is able to patch together a Red-Red-Orange coalition in 1969, which features a tremendous surge from the AUM, which seeks to usurp the Liberals for the position of third position. Woodcock's government is filled with blunders as his coalition partners are unable to agree on little bar devolution, which is extended to Scotland in 1971. As the 1974 election nears, many wonder if Leo Blair's promise to hold an EU referendum will hold true...

1922-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative)
1922 (Majority) def. J. R. Clynes (Labour), H. H. Asquith (Liberal), David Lloyd George (National Liberal)
1923-1926: William Clive Bridgeman (Conservative)
1926-1930: J. R. Clynes (Labour)
1926 (Coalition with Liberals) def. William Clive Bridgeman (Conservative), David Lloyd George (Liberal), Winston Churchill (Constitutionalist), Albert Inkpin (Communist)
1930-1935: Leo Amery (Conservative)
1930 (Coalition with Constitutionalists) def. J. R. Clynes (Labour), David Lloyd George (Liberal), Winston Churchill (Constitutionalist), Albert Inkpin (Communist)
1935-1939: Oswald Mosley (Labour)
1935 (Majority) def. Leo Amery (Conservative + Constitutionalist), Issac Foot (Liberal), Henry Hogbin (Continuity Constitutionalist), Shapurji Saklatvala (Communist)
1939-1944: Harold Nicolson (Labour)
1940 (Majority) def. Philip Cunliffe-Lister (Conservative), Issac Foot (Liberal), Willie Gallacher (Communist)
1944-1953: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
1944 (Majority) def. Harold Nicolson (Labour), Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberal), Willie Gallacher (Communist), William Joyce (Anti Europe Coalition)
1949 (Coalition with Liberals) def. Harold Nicolson (Labour), Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberal), Bob Stewart (Communist)
1953-1953: Mungo Murray (Conservative)
1953-1955: Anuerin Bevan (Labour)
1953 (Coalition with Communists) def. Anthony Eden (Conservative), Gwilym Lloyd George (Liberal), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1955-1956: Mungo Murray (Conservative)
1955 (Majority) def. Aneurin Bevan (Labour), Ivor Davies (Liberal), Wogan Philipps (Communist), Enoch Powell (Anti-Union Movement)
1956-1960: Mungo Murray (Conservative leading War Government with Labour, Liberals, War Communist, Anti-Union Movement)
1960-1967: Nigel Nicolson (Labour)
1960 (Majority) def. Mungo Murray (Conservative), Ivor Davies (Liberal), Wogan Philipps (War Communist), Enoch Powell (Anti-Union Movement), Annie Maxton (Anti-War Communist)
1964 (Majority) def. Anthony Nutting (Conservative), Ivor Davies (Liberal), J. R. Campbell (Communist), Oliver Smedley (Anti-Union Movement)
1967-1974: George Woodcock (Labour)
1969 (Coalition with Liberals and Communists) def. Anthony Nutting (Conservative), Ivor Davies (Liberal), Oliver Smedley (Anti-Union Movement), Hugh Scanlon (Communist)