List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

Augenis - Sajūdis remains political force in Lietuva
Minor list of Lithuanian presidents, with the POD being that Sąjūdis remains as a solid political force.

1990-1992: Chairman of the Supreme Council Vytautas Landsbergis (LPS) (provisional government under the Supreme Council)
1993-1997: President of the Republic Kazimiera Prunskienė (LPS)

Prime Ministers: 1993 Romualdas Ozolas (LPS), 1993 Bronislovas Lubys (LDDP), 1993-96 Adolfas Šleževičius (LDDP)
1997-2003: President of the Republic Česlovas Juršėnas (LDDP)
Prime Minister: 1996-2004 Algirdas Brazauskas (LDDP)
2003-2007: President of the Republic Valdas Adamkus (independent)
Prime Ministers: 2004
Viktor Uspaskich (LSDP) (impeached due to corruption scandal), 2004-08 Ingrida Šimonytė (LPS)
2007-2014: President of the Republic Valdas Adamkus (independent)
Prime Ministers: 2008-10
Artūras Paulauskas (Naujoji sąjunga) (coalition collapses due to economic crisis), 2010- Andrius Kubilius (LPS)
2014-: President of the Republic Ingrida Šimonytė (LPS)

I hope this is refreshing compared to the 9000 American president line-ups ;)
 
Bolt451 - 'Guess the Gimmick'
Guess the Gimmick
(probably been done before)

1970-Feb 1974: Reginald Maudling (Conservative)

Def: George Brown (Labour) Emlyn Hooson (liberal)
Feb 1974-1979: Michael Foot (Labour)
def feb 1974: Reg Maudling (Conservative) Emlyn Hooson (Liberal)
Def Oct 1974: Reg Maudling (Conservative) Emlyn Hooson (Liberal)
1979-1989: Ted Heath (conservative)
Def 1979: Michael Food (Labour) John Pardoe (Liberal)
Def 1983: Dennis Healy (Labour) John Pardoe (Liberal) David Owen (SDP)
Def 1987: Roy Hattersley (Labour) John Pardoe (Liberal) David Owen (SDP)
1989-1990: Anthony Meyer (Conservative)
1990-1995: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)

Def 1992: Tony Benn (Labour) Alan Beith (Social and Liberal Democrats)
1995-1997: John Redwood (Conservative)
1997-2007: John Prescott (Labour)

Def 1997: John Redwood (Conservative) Alan Beith (Liberal Democrats)
Def 2001: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative) Simon Hughes (Lib Dems)
Def 2005: Michael Howard (Conservative) Simon Hughes (Lib Dems)
2007-2010: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2010-2015: David Davis (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
Def 2010: Gordon Brown (Labour) Chris Huhne (Lib Dem) Caroline Lucas (Green) Gerard Batten (UKIP)
2015-2016: David Davis (Conservative)
Def 2015: David Milband (Labour) Chris Huhne (Lib Dem) Tim Congdon (UKIP) Peter Cranie (Green)
2016-Present Andrea Leadsom (Conservative)
 
Turquoise Blue - Unsafe At Any Speed: The Presidency of Ralph Nader
@Asami: Naughty. :p
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Anyway, here's the second AH of Third Parties Galore. It's a short one, I know. Sorry. :(

Unsafe At Any Speed: The Presidency of Ralph Nader
PoD: What if Jerry Brown lived, and endorsed Nader instead of VP Trump?

Jerry Brown (Reform) 1997-2005
President Brown's close brush with death in 2003 caused him to think about his legacy. Vice-President Donald Trump was a shoo-in for the Reform nomination [who else could run? Michael Bloomberg? The guy was too busy being Mayor for that!] and yet he stood for many things that President Brown found deplorable. The Green National Convention in 2004 had a surprise guest, who turned the race upside down. As President Brown uttered every word against Trump and in favour of Nader, the Greens' popularity rose. Brown split Reform between "Brownites" and "Trumpists" in doing so, and energised the Greens. Nader won the election by a 4% margin...

Ralph Nader (Green, endorsed by "Brownite" Reform) 2005-2009
2004: def. Rick Santorum (American Independent), Donald Trump (Reform), Gary Johnson (Libertarian), Andrew Cuomo (Socialist)
With Donald Trump swearing vengeance on "traitor" Jerry Brown and Reform splintering between the more liberal "Brownites" and conservative "Trumpists" [even if many conservative Reformists disliked his bombastic populism], Ralph Nader had an unique opportunity, and took it. Closer co-operation between the Greens and Brownites [which successfully took over control of the Reform Party from the conservatives under Jerry's urging in 2005] led to the "Green/Reform coalition", later mushed together as "Green Reform" in several states, the main "left-liberal" camp in America and rather more coherent than the Reform Party itself was under Brown.

Nader, unlike Jerry Brown, wasn't strongly committed to balancing the budget, and the deficit grew as he authorised expansion of the welfare state. This caused the AIP to attack him for being a spendthrift and "wasting the people's money". The Greens and Reform got a hit in the 2006 midterms and under a folksy Hoosier governor often attacked for being "stupid", the AIP returned to government handily. The Libertarians and the state Conservative parties were under a period of transition, and a weaker-than-OTL Libertarians [Trump in "OTL" led to a surge. In ATL, that surge doesn't happen] were unable to prevent a Conservative candidate, George Pataki of New York, from winning the nomination. Unfortunately, Bloomberg saw Pataki as a puppet of the Libertarians and decided to run a "true Reform" candidacy, decrying radicalism from the left and right. In a world where he had the Reform nomination, he would have won. That isn't this world.

Dan Quayle (American Independent) 2009-2017
2008: def. Ralph Nader (Green/Reform), Michael Bloomberg (Ind. Reform), George Pataki (Conservative), Howard Dean (Socialist)
2012: def. Mary Landrieu (Green/Reform), Mitt Romney (Conservative), Joe Manchin (Socialist)
President Quayle vowed a "new Moral Society for a new century", and the AIP majority in the House [in the Senate they had to work with Conservatives and Libertarians] helped him reach closer to his aim. Reversing many of Nader's "socialistic" reforms in his first term, he found that the Moral Society itself still divided the AIP into neoconservatives [in favour] and paleoconservatives [against], so he framed his reforms as instead "returning morality to government". Nevertheless, this created discontent from his left and right. On foreign trade, Quayle proved a small-c conservative, much to Canada and Mexico's frustation.

Winning re-election barely over Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana thanks to a very aggressive campaign in which the countercultural side of the Greens [Ms. Landrieu was from the Reform half, but this did not matter in political perception] was exploited in order to portray Landrieu as a weed-smoking hippy who hated America and traditional values. One part of why Quayle only scraped by is Mitt Romney. The right-wing in America can be understood as a division between the "progressives", the "populists" and the "libertarians". Mitt Romney choosing a young up-and-coming Libertarian from Wisconsin, a traditionally-left state, united two factions of the American right. His moderate reputation plus his popularity with Mormons elevated his result from Pataki's 8% to a very respectable 19%, especially after a strong presence at the debates calling for "a constitutional conservatism, not the radical reactionarism that the President peddles to you."

Quayle's second term was eventual. The Indian Summer led to a humanitarian intervention by the Assembly of Nations to prevent a genocide from happening. Coming under criticism by the paleoconservatives for sending American troops, he declared "this is not an American intervention, it is a compassionate intervention". Nevertheless, the AIP fell to second place in the midterms as the Greens, Reformists and Socialists formed a coalition.

Martin O'Malley (Green/Reform) 2017-20??
2016: def. John Kasich (Conservative), Tom Tancredo (American Independent), Francis Lee (Socialist)
Come the 2016 election, the AIP was in dire strides. The paleoconservatives and neoconservatives were sniping at each other, and the President was in the middle of it. The Conservatives [Libertarians are now pretty much the junior partner to a now-fully-national-and-party-organised Conservatives] are taking advantage of this by nominating Governor John Kasich of Ohio, who was hoped to cut into the AIP's support with neoconservatives given that they nominated Senator Tom Tancredo of Colorado, a prominent
paleoconservative who got the neoconservatives' hackles up.

With the Socialists nominating far-left Governor of Vermont Francis Lee, the Green-Reformists hoped they had a strong chance of victory. After all, the right was hopelessly split and the Socialists were turkeys who voted for Christmas. Nominating former Governor Martin O'Malley [a Reformist], they set forth a clear plan of municipal reform, social liberalism and bringing America together. Surely this will lead to a landslide?

Wrong.

The 2016 election night was one of the most memorable in American history. With Francis Lee's past prominence as a television pundit, he reached to many disappointed Leftists who turned off politics after Swamp Pot, or more likely, just never tapped in. His movement led to Socialists doing far better than before despite Governor Lee's many extreme beliefs ["We should support the proletarist government in India" for one]. The split between the Conservatives and AIP proved true, but O'Malley and his team underestimated right-wing strategic voting. Many Am-Inders voted for Kasich instead of Tancredo upon realising that Kasich had more of a chance to defeat the "socialists". Kasich's vague feel-good campaign helped massively with this.

But still, the right was split more than in 2012, and thus O'Malley eked out a victory. With Conservatives and Libertarians gaining massively in Congressional elections at the expense of the AIP and in suburbs the Green-Reformists, it seemed that O'Malley would be an one-term president. Will he prove everybody wrong?
 
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Kaiser_Wilhelm - America Redux (Ross Perot '88)
America Redux

Ross Perot | Jerry Brown (1989-1997)
1988 Defeat: Unopposed
1992 Defeat: Unopposed

Jerry Brown | Elizabeth Dole (1997-2001)
1996 Defeat: Elizabeth Dole | Jack Kemp


Elizabeth Dole | Jack Kemp (2001-2009)
2000 Defeat: Jerry Brown | Al Gore
2004 Defeat: Al Gore | John Kerry

Rudy Giuliani | Mitt Romney (2009-2017)
2008 Defeat: Hillary Clinton | Bill Richardson
2012 Defeat: Joe Biden | Brian Schweitzer

Marco Rubio | John Kasich (2017-2025)
2016 Defeat: Elizabeth Warren | Julian Castro
2020 Defeat: Unopposed



(Note: This is a list attempting to create parallels between the 1988-2020 elections and the 1788-1720 election. I understand that while this has a potential of happening, it is definitely not a plausible scenario)


 

Milo

Donor
Guess the Gimmick
(probably been done before)

1970-Feb 1974: Reginald Maudling (Conservative)

Def: George Brown (Labour) Emlyn Hooson (liberal)
Feb 1974-1979: Michael Foot (Labour)
def feb 1974: Reg Maudling (Conservative) Emlyn Hooson (Liberal)
Def Oct 1974: Reg Maudling (Conservative) Emlyn Hooson (Liberal)
1979-1989: Ted Heath (conservative)
Def 1979: Michael Food (Labour) John Pardoe (Liberal)
Def 1983: Dennis Healy (Labour) John Pardoe (Liberal) David Owen (SDP)
Def 1987: Roy Hattersley (Labour) John Pardoe (Liberal) David Owen (SDP)
1989-1990: Anthony Meyer (Conservative)
1990-1995: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)

Def 1992: Tony Benn (Labour) Alan Beith (Social and Liberal Democrats)
1995-1997: John Redwood (Conservative)
1997-2007: John Prescott (Labour)

Def 1997: John Redwood (Conservative) Alan Beith (Liberal Democrats)
Def 2001: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative) Simon Hughes (Lib Dems)
Def 2005: Michael Howard (Conservative) Simon Hughes (Lib Dems)
2007-2010: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2010-2015: David Davis (Conservative-Liberal coalition
)
Def 2010: Gordon Brown (Labour) Chris Huhne (Lib Dem) Caroline Lucas (Green) Gerard Batten (UKIP)
2015-2016: David Davis (Conservative)
Def 2015: David Milband (Labour) Chris Huhne (Lib Dem) Tim Congdon (UKIP) Peter Cranie (Green)
2016-Present Andrea Leadsom (Conservative)
OTL Leadership runners up, win?
 
America Redux

Ross Perot | Jerry Brown (1989-1997)
1988 Defeat: Unopposed
1992 Defeat: Unopposed

Jerry Brown | Elizabeth Dole (1997-2001)
1996 Defeat: Elizabeth Dole | Jack Kemp


Elizabeth Dole | Jack Kemp (2001-2009)
2000 Defeat: Jerry Brown | Al Gore
2004 Defeat: Al Gore | John Kerry

Rudy Giuliani | Mitt Romney (2009-2017)
2008 Defeat: Hillary Clinton | Bill Richardson
2012 Defeat: Joe Biden | Brian Schweitzer

Marco Rubio | John Kasich (2017-2025)
2016 Defeat: Elizabeth Warren | Julian Castro
2020 Defeat: Unopposed



(Note: This is a list attempting to create parallels between the 1988-2020 elections and the 1788-1720 election. I understand that while this has a potential of happening, it is definitely not a plausible scenario)
DeWitt Clinton was a former Democratic-Republican who got Federalist backing. I suppose you could go with someone like Susan Collins, or if you're going more economic-populist, Rick Perry, or something like that?
 
It looks to be the initials of the various nominees, but in reverse order and with reversed parties. That said, at least two of them are off and I have no idea why 2016 has the initials for the nominees then OTL (plus Sanders and ...someone) when that bucks the trend, so I clearly haven't figured it all out yet.
That's basically right, and yeah, two of them are off because I wanted to mix them up just a bit. But the general concept is that, yes. I had the presidencies from Obama to JFK go backwards. Obama being the first one in 1960, and JFK being the last one.

<3
 

Cevolian

Gone Fishin'
Ok guys as much as I like gimmick lists, I think some of them are getting a little out of hand. They shouldn't dominate the thread... they can be really good but, to be blunt, they can be disintersting at times...

EDIT: Also @Turquoise Blue stop producing such high quality content, you're showing the rest of us up ;)
 
Ok guys as much as I like gimmick lists, I think some of them are getting a little out of hand. They shouldn't dominate the thread... they can be really good but, to be blunt, they can be disintersting at times...

EDIT: Also @Turquoise Blue stop producing such high quality content, you're showing the rest of us up ;)
Third Parties Galore was a gimmick list. ;)
 

Cevolian

Gone Fishin'
Third Parties Galore was a gimmick list. ;)
Aha you know what I mean - inproduce plenty of gimmick lists myself, but some of them have such ridiculous premises or are so lazily done that they give the genre a bad name. Third Parties Galore is really the ideal for the gimmick list, but almost none meet its standard.
 
DeWitt Clinton was a former Democratic-Republican who got Federalist backing. I suppose you could go with someone like Susan Collins, or if you're going more economic-populist, Rick Perry, or something like that?
Are you talking about one of them switching over to the Democratic Party?
 
TPL99 - Sunshine of a New Republic?
Sunshine of a New Republic?

2017-2021: Donald Trump (R-NY) / Mike Pence (R-IN)

2016: Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Tim Kaine (D-VA); Bernie Sanders (I-VT) / Keith Ellison (I-MN); Gary Johnson (L-NM) / William Weld (L-MA)
2021-2021: Donald Trump‡ (R-NY) / Jim Webb (R-VA)
2021-2025: Jim Webb (R-VA) / [vacant]
2020: Bob Menendez (D-NJ) / Tim Ryan (D-OH)
2025-: Bruce Rauner (R-IL) / Paul Ryan (R-WI)
2024: Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) / Jason Kander (D-MO)

PoD: After a tumultuous convention in Philadelphia, Bernie Sanders and his supporters walk out in one of most shameful moments of Democratic Party recently history. In August 1st, Sanders announced his run as Independent, but only contributted for Trump's victory in a landslide with >400 EV. USA was in shock that moment, but President Trump promised in his inaugural speech who really would lead every American citizen with respect. In 2017, first riots had begun in California about secession, and by unanimously decision, Oregon seceded from Union four days after Trump's signature of Security Border Act of 2017, in late-December. In January 2018, California and Hawaii joined Oregon and formed the Federal Republic of America (FRA), installing Jerry Brown as his president. With this, and the Siege of Carson City in February, had begun the Second Civil War. By all year of 2018, Washington, Nevada, Idaho, Arizona and Utah joined FRA. The great sieges of battle was now in Montana and Colorado. The first victory of Union was in Denver in late-2019, and with many defeats along 2020, President Trump was reelected in a historical landslide but hadn't saw the Treaty of Dallas (who finished the war), because he was killed by an Federalist guy in February 3, 2021. Vice President Webb take off in White House, but was deeply impopular than Trump, and almost faced an impeachment trial in early-2024, declining reelection run. Talking about 2024, Governor Rauner, one of most important heads on first step of reconstruction of former FRA, was elected in a landslide against Governor Cuomo. And now will take office in January 20, 2025 with people's hope on reconstruction of national unity.
 
I find the number of lists in this thread that don't have details to be... Disturbing.
In my opinion, you should post your lists in a 'test thread' first and the ones that spark writing should be posted in here to show off some proper AH.

That's just me, though.
 
AlfieJ - Lazy Analogues Which Works Surprisingly Well
Lazy Analogues Which Works Surprisingly Well

1990 - 1993: Cecil Parkinson (Conservative Majority)
1993 - 1994: Sir John Smith (Labour Minority)

1994 - 1996: Sir John Smith (Labour)
1994 (Majority) def. Cecil Parkinson (Conservative), Alex Salmond (SNP), Paddy Ashdown (Social and Liberal Democrats)
1996 - 1998: Gordon Brown (Labour Majority)
1998 - 2003: Gordon Brown (Labour)
(Jan) 1998 (Minority with SNP, Liberal Supply and Confidence) def. Cecil Parkinson (Conservative), Alex Salmond (SNP), Simon Hughes (Liberal)
(Dec) 1998 (Minority with SNP, Liberal Supply and Confidence) def. Cecil Parkinson (Conservative), Alex Salmond (SNP), Alan Beith (Liberal)
2003 - 2004: Gordon Brown (Labour leading War Ministry with Conservative, Liberal)
2004 - 2006: Tony Blair (Coalition Labour leading Second War Ministry with Conservative, Liberal)

2006 - 2010: Tony Blair (Coalition Labour)
2006 (Coalition with Conservative, National Democratic) def. Michael Howard (Conservative), George Galloway (Pàrtaidh Nàiseanta), Menzies Campbell (Liberal), Gordon Brown (Labour), Alan Beith (National Democratic)
2010 - 2011: Michael Howard (Conservative)
2010 (Majority) def. Charles Kennedy (Liberal), Gordon Brown (Labour), Tony Blair (Coalition Labour)
2011 - 2011: John Bercow (Conservative Majority)
2011 - 2012: John Bercow (Conservative)
2011 (Minority) def. David Laws (Liberal), Gordon Brown (Labour)
2012 - 2012: David Laws (Liberal Minority)
2012 - 2017: John Bercow (Conservative)
2012 (Majority) def. David Laws (Liberal), Gordon Brown (Labour)

2017 - 2020: David Laws (Liberal)
2017 (Majority) def. John Bercow (Conservative), Tony Blair (Labour)
2020 - 2020: David Laws (National Liberal leading National Government with Conservative, Labour)
2020 - 2021: David Laws (National Liberal)

2020 (National Government with Conservative, Nat. Labour, Labour) def. John Bercow (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal) John Woodcock (Nat. Labour), Owen Smith (Labour), Tony Blair (Independent Labour)
2021 - 2024: David Laws (National Liberal leading National Government with Conservative, Nat. Labour)

2024 - 2024: John Bercow (Conservative leading National Government with National Liberal, Nat. Labour)
2024 - 2026: John Bercow (Conservative)
2024 (National Government with National Liberal, Nat. Labour) def. Clive Lewis (Liberal), John Woodcock (Nat. Labour), Owen Smith (Labour), David Laws (Nat. Liberal), Tim Farron (Ind. Liberal)
 
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