List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Nazi Space Spy]

Larger Canada:

Synopsis: Basically No Civil War, why, cause the US rebellion succeeds, but only kind of, the British are able to take everything south to Pennsylvania, including Ohio, Illanois, Oregon, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Indiana etc. Everything south is the US however. A treaty is signed (The Treaty of Baltimore) securing these borders (the US take Baja, otl Sonora, Chihuaha, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas for trade purposes after a war with Mexico however).

Anyway

2000-2010: Hillary Rodham (Progressive Conservative) [1]
2000 Def: Dennis Kucinich (New Democratic), Jean Chretien (Liberal), Preston Manning (Reform), Ralph Nader (Greens)
2004 Def: Dennis Kucinich (New Democratic), John Edwards (Liberal), Ralph Nader (Greens)
2007 Def: John Kerry (Liberal), Jack Lydon (New Democratic), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2010-2011: Jack Lydon (New Democratic) [2]
2010 Def: Hillary Rodham (Progressive Conservative), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2011-2015: Bernie Sanders (New Democratic) [3]
2011 Def: Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Steven Harper (Progressive Conservative), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2015-: Barack Obama (Liberal) [4]
2015 Def: John Kasich (Progressive Conservative), Donald Trump (Reform), Thomas Muclair (New Democratic), Elizabeth May (Greens)


[1] Rodham would win the election against Jean Chretien after the latter's inability to deliver on key policies. Rodham would lead the world through the Iraq War (in which she followed neighbours the United States into the global conflict) as well as Afghanistan after the attacks on Lincoln Plaza in Washington.
[2] Would become the first non Liberal or Progressive-Conservative to become Prime Minister ever.
[3] Would take over after Lydon passed away, would work on healthcare to improve it further.
[4] The first PM from Illanois, Obama would win office after Sanders agreed to not run in the upcoming election (freeing up space for Thomas Muclair to become leader for the party).

Ah yes, very close to True North actually. Love the concept!

 

[Zachary VIII]

...does the right-wing actually consider Garcetti to be socialist in policy? Or is that just more satire?

Satire, the idea is that every Democrat to the left of the Blue Dogs is a secret communist.

 

[Leon Thotsky]

If Hillary Won

2017-2021: Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic) [1]
2016 Def: Donald Trump/Mike Pence (Republican), Gary Johnson/Bill Weld (Libertarian), Jill Stein/Ajamu Baraka (Green)
2021-2025: Marco Rubio/Nikki Haley (Republican) [2]
2020 Def: Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic), Steve King/Tom Tancredo (America First)
2025-2033: Kamala Harris/Cory Booker (Democratic) [3]
2024 Def: Marco Rubio/Nikki Haley (Republican), Steve Bannon/Alex Jones (America First)
2028 Def: Ben Sasse/Mia Love (Republican)
2033-2041: Cory Booker/Jason Kander (Democratic) [4]
2032 Def: Nikki Haley/Chris Sununu (Republican)
2036 Def: Elise Stefanik/Paul Ryan (Republican)
2041-2043: Connor Rothschild/Tulsi Gabbard (Democratic) [5]
2040 Def: Ivanka Trump/Matt Bevin (Republican)

[1] During Clinton's first term, a significant number of Progressive legislation was actually passed. However, after the midterms, the Republicans obstructed nearly everything Clinton tried to do and even shut down the government at one point. It seemed the Republican hate campaign against Clinton worked, and in 2020 Florida Senator Marco Rubio narrowly beat President Clinton.
[2] Rubio was a good President... until the 2024 recession. It was worse than 2008. His approval rating at one point reached 25%. Donald Trump didn't help when he announced he was forming his own party - the America First Party. Rubio tried to blame the economy on Clinton, a move that made him even more unpopular.
[3] President Harris helped heal the nation after the 2024 recession. Under her administration, marijuana was legalized nationwide, universal healthcare legislation was passed, and taxes on the rich were raised. The unemployment rate fell from 12.9% to only 6% The War of Russian Aggression started in 2032 when Russia invaded Ukraine and NATO intervened.
[4] Under President Booker, NATO defeated Russia and the economy continued to do great.
[5] President Rothschild (who is not related to that one Rothschild family) has been a good President so far. He is also the most left so far.

 

[Baconheimer]

Maximum Insanity

2009-2017: Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democratic)
2008 def. John McCain/Sarah Palin (Republican)
2012 def. Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan (Republican)
2017-2018: Donald J. Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2016 def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic)
2018: Donald J. Trump (Make America Great) / Mike Pence (Republican)
2018-2019: Mike Pence (Republican) / VACANT
2019-2021: Mike Pence / Elise Stefanik (Republican)
2021-2029: Sherrod Brown / Kamala Harris (Democratic)
2020 def. Mike Pence / Elise Stefanik (Republican), Donald J. Trump / Steve King (Make America Great)
2024 def. John Kasich / Evan McMullin (Republican), Donald Trump Jr. / Rick Saccone (Make America Great)
2029-xxxx: Roy Cooper / Conor Lamb (Democratic)
2028 def. Adam Laxalt / Brian Calley (Republican), Eric Grietens / Katrina Frye Shealy (Make America Great), Trayon White / Andrea Jenkins (New Progressive)

2028 was supposed to be the Republicans year, with young, charasmatic Laxalt leading the ticket and the Democrat splinter. But then the MAG Party nominated the charismatic Eric Greitens and it all went downhill...

 

[Chapman]

2036 Def: Elise Stefanik/Paul Ryan (Republican)

Love the list, and this isn't your fault at all, but I always cringe incredibly hard when I see Stefanik on one of these lists, whether she wins or loses. She's my Congressional Rep. and, without going into too much detail and sparking an argument, I can't stand her.

Otherwise, solid list & solid footnotes imo.

 

[Baconheimer]

Love the list, and this isn't your fault at all, but I always cringe incredibly hard when I see Stefanik on one of these lists, whether she wins or loses. She's my Congressional Rep. and, without going into too much detail and sparking an argument, I can't stand her.

Otherwise, solid list & solid footnotes imo.

I see. Well, I imagine you don’t enjoy my list too much because of that.

I do agree that she is way overused in these lists, but I thought someone like her made sense for Pence to choose. Young, relative newcomer to politics.

 

[Chapman]

I see. Well, I imagine you don’t enjoy my list too much because of that.

I do agree that she is way overused in these lists, but I thought someone like her made sense for Pence to choose. Young, relative newcomer to politics.

Quite the contrary, I liked your list too! I don't blame people for using her, not at all, she's a pretty logical choice given that she's considered a "rising star" for the GOP. Plus, I have no doubt I've used plenty of names that had the same effect for others, so it's not something I hold against an otherwise good tl concept. I just can't help the visceral reaction to seeing her name

 

[Bene Tleilax]

Old "Always the Brides" Maid

1969-73: Hubert Humphrey (Democrat)
1973-77: Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
1977-81: Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1981-89: Walter Mondale (Democrat)
1989-93: Joe Biden (Democrat)
1993-2001: Bob Dole (Republican)
2001-05: Dick Cheney (Democrat)
2005-13: Al Gore (Democrat)
2013- : Mike Pence (Republican)

1969-73: Hubert Humphrey/Ed Muskie (Democrat)
1968: Hubert Humphrey/Ed Muskie (Democrat), Ronald Reagan/Jim Rhodes (Republican), George Wallace/Curtis LeMay (AIP)
1973-77: Nelson Rockefeller/Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1972: Nelson Rockefeller/Spiro Agnew (Republican), Hubert Humphrey/Ed Muskie (Democrat), George Wallace/John G. Schmitz (AIP)
1976: Nelson Rockefeller/Spiro Agnew (Republican), Henry Jackson/Mo Udall (Democrat)
1977-81: Spiro Agnew/ (vacant) (Republican)
1981-89: Walter Mondale/Joe Biden (Democrat)
1980: Walter Mondale/Joe Biden (Democrat), Spiro Agnew/John B. Anderson (Republican)
1984: Walter Mondale/Joe Biden (Democrat), Elliot Richardson/Millicent Fenwick (Republican)
1989-93: Joe Biden/Jerry Brown (Democrat)
1988: Joe Biden/Jerry Brown (Democrat), Paul Laxalt/Connie Mack III (Republican)
1993-2001: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (Republican)
1992: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (Republican), Joe Biden/Mike Gravel (Democrat), Jerry Brown/Ross Perot (Independent)
1996: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (Republican), Douglas Wilder/Bob Casey (Democrat), Jerry Brown/Paul Tsongas (Reform)
2001-05: Dick Cheney/Al Gore (Democrat)
2000: Dick Cheney/Al Gore (Democrat), Jack Kemp/Alan Keyes (Republican)
2004: Dick Cheney/Al Gore (Democrat), Lincoln Chafee/Joe Wilson (Republican)
2005: Al Gore/ (vacant) (Democrat)
2005-13: Al Gore/Howard Dean (Democrat)
2008: Al Gore/Howard Dean (Democrat), Jeb Bush/Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2013- : Mike Pence/Mike Huckabee (Republican)
2012: Mike Pence/Mike Huckabee (Republican), Al Gore/Howard Dean (Democrat)
2016: Mike Pence/Mike Huckabee (Republican), Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders (Progressive), Lincoln Chafee/Martin O'Malley (Democrat)

 

[TimTurner]

Abraham Lincoln (U-IL) 1867-1872
Horace Greeley (D-NY) 1872
Samuel Tilden (D-NY) 1872-1877
Abraham Lincoln (U-IL) 1877-1881
James Garfield (U-OH) 1881-1882
Grover Cleveland (D-NY) 1882-1887
William McKinley (U-OH) 1887-1894
William Bryan (SJ-NE) 1894-1909
Woodrow Wilson (PD-NJ) 1909-1914
Eugene Debs (SJ-IN) 1914-1921
Albert Fall (U-NM) 1921-1923
Robert LaFollette (PD-WI) 1923-1925
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (PD-NY) 1925
Charles Dawes (U-IL) 1925-1933
William Borah (SJ-ID) 1933-1940
Alben Barkley (Nat. Gov.-KY) 1940-1945
Alben Barkley (SJ-KY) 1945
Robert Taft (C-OH) 1945-1947
Sam Rayburn (SJ-TX) 1947-1959
Adlai Stevenson (SJ-IL) 1959
Nelson Rockefeller (U-NY) 1959-1964
Ralph Yarborough (SJ-TX) 1964-1972
Nelson Rockefeller (U-NY) 1972-1979
John B. Anderson (U-IL) 1979
James Earl Carter (SJ-GA) 1979-1982
John B. Anderson (U-IL) 1982-1985
Robert "Father Bob" Casey (SJ-PA) 1985-1996
Buddy Darden (SJ-GA) 1996-1997
John Chafee (U-RI) 1997-1999
Bob Dole (U-KS) 1999
Bill Lipinski (SJ-IL) 1999-2010
Allison Grimes (SJ-KY) 2010-2013
John Kasich (U-OH) 2013-2016
Allison Grimes (SJ-KY) 2016-2029
Conor Lamb (SJ-PA) 2029-2030
Jim Jordan (C-OH) 2030-2034
Conor Lamb (SJ-PA) 2034-

as of the aftermath of the 2034 general election...
Years supplying PMs: Solidarity and Justice 96, Unity 48, Democrat/Progressive Democrat 17, Center 6
Years in government: Solidarity and Justice 102, Center 81, Unity 63, Democrat/Progressive Democrat 42

GE election results
1867: U majority
1872: D majority
1877: U majority
1882: D minority, D-S coalition
1887: SJ minority, U-C coalition
1889: U majority
1894: U minority, SJ-C coalition
1897: SJ majority
1901: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1905: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1909: SJ minority, PD-U coalition
1914: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1917: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1921: U minority, U-C coalition
1923: U minority, PD-SJ coalition
1925: U minority, U-C coalition
1927: U majority
1931: SJ minority, U-PD coalition
1933: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1935: SJ majority
1940: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1945: SJ minority, U-C-PD coalition
1947: SJ majority
1951: SJ majority
1956: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1959: U majority
1964: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1968: SJ minority, SJ-C-PD coalition
1972: U minority, U-C coalition
1977: SJ minority, U-C-PD coalition
1979: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1982: U minority, U-PD coalition
1985: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1988: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
1992: SJ majority
1997: U majority
1999: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
2004: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
2008: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
2013: U minority, U-PD coalition
2016: SJ minority, SJ-C coalition
2019: SJ majority
2024: SJ majority
2030: SJ minority, C-U-PD coalition
2034: SJ majority

 

[Bulldoggus]

Presidents of the United States of America (Second Republic)
1913-1917: Governor T. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ)/Governor Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN)
1912 def. Frmr. Pres. Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (Progressive-NY)/Gov. Hiram W. Johnson (Progressive-CA), Pres. William H. Taft (R-OH)/Academic Nicholas M. Butler (R-NY), Activist Eugene V. Debs (S-IN)/Mayor Emil Seidel (S-WI)

1917-1918: Former Vice President Charles W. Fairbanks (R-IN)/Senator John W. Weeks (R-MA)
1918-1921: Vice President John W. Weeks (R-MA)/Vacant
1916 def. Pres. T. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ)/VP Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN), State Rep. John H. Maurer (S-PA)/Activist George Ross Kirkpatrick (S-NJ)

1921-1928: Former Secretary of War Robert Lansing (D-NY)/Representative James T. Heflin (D-AL)
1928-1929: Vice President James T. Helfin (D-AL)/Vacant
1920 def. Pres. John W. Weeks (P-MA)/Conservationist Gifford Pinchot (P-PA), Sen. Boies Penrose (R-PA)/Gov. J. Calvin Coolidge Jr. (R-MA), Rep. Meyer London (S-NY)/Mayor Daniel Hoan (D-WI), Henrik Shipstead (FLP/NPL-MN)/Lynn Frazier (FLP/NPL-ND)
1924 def. Gov. Gifford Pinchot (P-PA)/Publisher Frank A. Munsey (P-NY), Sen. Albert B. Fall (R-NM)/Gov. Ragnvald Nestos (R-ND), Perennial Candidate Parley P. Christensen (FLP/NPL-IL)/Gov. William F. Lemke (FLP/NPL- ND), Rep. John H. Maurer (S-PA)/Various (S)

1929-1933: President James T. Helfin (D-AL)/Mayor James M. Curley (D-MA)
1928 def. Sen. Hiram W. Johnson (R-CA)/Rep. William T. Evjue (P-WI), Gov. William F. Lemke (FLP-NPL- ND)/Activist Milo Reno (FLP-NPL- IA), Trade Unionist William B. Green (S-OH)/Minister Norman M. Thomas (S-NY), Philanthropist H. Clark Hoover (R-PA)/Lt. Gen. Hanford MacNider (ret.) (R-IA)

1933-1937: Representative William E. Borah (P-ID)/Senator Miles Poindexter (P-WA)
1932 def. Gov. Floyd B. Olson (People's- MN)/Gov. Huey P. Long Jr. (People's- LA), Pres. James T. Helfin (D-AL)/Frmr. Sen. Howard Sutherland (R-WV), Minister Norman M. Thomas (S-NY)/Frmr. Mayor J. Stitt Wilson (S-CA)

1937-1940: Former Governor William F. Lemke (People's-ND)/Senator Hattie O. W. Caraway (People's- AR)
1936 def. Pres. William E. Borah (P-ID)/VP Miles Poindexter (P-WA), Senator Henry F. Byrd (D/R-VA)/Mayor Charles P. Taft II (D/R-OH), Mayor Jasper McLevy (S-CT)/Mayor J. Henry Stump (S-PA)

Consuls of the American Republic (Third Republic)

1940-1946: Vice President Huey P. Long Jr. (People's-LA)
1940 def. Frmr. VP Miles Poindexter (P-WA), Mayor Frank P. Zeidler (S-WI), Eugenicist T. Lothorp Stoddard (D/R-MA)

1946-1952: Tribune Hjalmar Peterson (People's- MN)
1946 def. Trib. Archibald B. "Archie" Roosevelt (P-NY), Trib. Frank P. Zeidler (S-WI), Trib. Bourke B. Hickenlooper (D/R- IA)

1952-0000: Tribune Henry C. Lodge Jr. (P-Massachusetts)
1952 def. Trib. Fr. Charles E. Coughlin (People's-MI), Trib. Jasper McLevy (S-CT), Trib. Richard B. Russell (D/R- GA)

 

[Mumby]

I got extremely carried away doing a list to explain an infobox that @Gonzo did in his test thread which I will link in the title to this list.

A Theoretical Look... Backward?

Presidents of the Second Republic of the United States of America

1909-1913: William Howard Taft (Republican)
1908 (with James S. Sherman) def. William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1913-1917: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1912 (with Hiram Johnson) def. Champ Clark (Democratic), William Howard Taft (Republican)
1917-1919: Theodore Roosevelt (Second National Union)
1916 (with Thomas R. Marshall) def. Hiram Johnson ('Peace Union')
1919-1921: Thomas R. Marshall (Second National Union)
1921-1925: Leonard Wood (Independent)
1920 (with Herbert Hoover) def. William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic), Hiram Johnson (Progressive), Frank Orren Lowden (Republican)
1925-1927: Leonard Wood (Americanist Union)
1924 (with Robert L. Bullard) def. Herbert Hoover (Progressive), William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic), Irvine Lenroot (Republican)
1927-1933: Robert L. Bullard (Americanist Union)
1928 (with Alvin M. Owsley) def. Joe T. Robinson (Constitutional Union), Theodore G. Bilbo ('Klan Kandidate' Democrat)
1933-1938: Hugh S. Johnson (Americanist Union)
1932 (with Ellison D. Smith) def. Herbert Hoover (Constitutional Union)
1936 (with Ellison D. Smith) def. no effective opposition

Directors of the Third Republic of the United States of America

1938-1945: Hugh S. Johnson (Americanist Union)
1940 def. Ellison D. Smith (Independent)
1945-1953: Huey Long (Americanist Union)
1944 def. no effective opposition
1948 def. no effective opposition
1952 def. no effective opposition
1953-1958: Earl Long (Americanist Union - Longist Faction)
1956 def. Alvin M. Owsley (Americanist Union - Legionary Faction)
1958-1961: Dwight D. Eisenhower (Independent leading Military Regime, backed by Legionary Faction)

Presidents of the Fourth Republic of the United States of America

1961-1965: Dwight D. Eisenhower (Constitutional Union)
1960 (with Henry Cabot Lodge) def. Strom Thurmond (Americans United)
1965-1969: Henry Cabot Lodge (Constitutional Union)
1964 (with George Wallace) def. Hubert Humphrey (Independent)
1969-1973: George Wallace (National Renovation)
1968 (with Winthrop Rockefeller) def. Hubert Humphrey (Progressive)
1973-1977: George McGovern (Progressive)
1972 (with Pete McCloskey) def. Winthrop Rockefeller (National Renovation), Hector P. Garcia (Raza Unida)
1977-1985: Harry Byrd Jr. (National Renovation)
1976 (with Harry D. Boivin) def. Pete McCloskey (Progressive), Xenaro Ayala (Raza Unida)
1980 (with Harry D. Boivin) def. Frank Church (Progressive), Cesar Chavez (Raza Unida)

So in this world, Taft takes a more forceful position in trying to back up Diaz, drawing America into an unpleasant multi-sided guerrilla war. Clark triumphs over Wilson at the Democratic Convention and Roosevelt is able to articulate a stronger position, triumphing over the Republicans and Democrats alike. He sponsors a 'progressive alternative' in Mexico, but the war causes a big refugee crisis and distinctly blurs the border between America and Mexico with a lot migrants heading north to safer climes. Roosevelt then takes America into WW1 in 1915, when the new ultranationalist dictatorship of Mexico opposed to the fractious American-sponsored client state accepts a much earlier and undetected version of the Zimmerman Telegram. Many in America argue that the Mexican situation should be treated separately from the war in Europe but Roosevelt isn't having any of it and in 1916 forms a new National Union for the duration of the war with an aligned Democratic Vice President and he wins in a landslide. His death in 1919 only worsens the continuing fragmentation of American politics. The devotion of American resources and funds to the bloody war in Mexico means less support for the Entente, ironically leading a wheezing stalemate in Europe in 1920. America triumphs over Mexico and installs a puppet dictator, the progressive alternative long forgotten but a lot of Americans feel hard done by out of the war.

Military hero Leonard Wood triumphs over a divided field and is forced to deal with the post-war economic slump. Much blame is put on 'cheap migrant workers' from Europe and Mexico who come to America from their wartorn and depressed home nations. He forms the Americanist Union ahead of the 1924 election, which is grounded in 'common sense' economics, anti-socialism and nativism. With the Republicans increasingly irrelevant and the Democrats more and more confined to the South, they win in a landslide. Wood's death in 1927 leads to the Bullard Presidency, where the Americanist Union becomes increasingly 'fascist'. Progressives and fellow travellers in the Republican and Democratic parties gather together in Opposition. Then in 1929 the Square Mile Crash occurs, leading to rise of the Popular Front in Britain, and a renewed economic crisis in America. Bullard's common sense economics aren't enough and he is primaried by Hugh S. Johnson who has a far more radical solution to America's travails. He narrowly triumphs over Hoover in 1932, having integrated the white supremacist rump of the Democrats, and over the next four years slowly tears the Constitution to shreds. After a farcical election in 1936 where there is no actual opposition, he takes the final step and establishes America is a fascist military dictatorship.

The dictatorship lasts until the 1950s when tensions between the Long political machine and the military establishment grow too much to bear. With the death of Huey Long there is some hope for change, but his mentally unstable brother triumphs over the elderly Owsley. The dictatorship disintegrates rapidly and retired General Eisenhower launches a military coup that re-establishes a much amended Constitution and he wins the 1960 Presidential election on the old Hoover Constitutional Union ticket.

The Constitutional Union disintegrates when Lodge nominates George Wallace which is seen as shaking hands with the remnants of the Americanist Union. The work of Reconstruction argue the Progressive affiliates who break away. What remains of the Constitutionalists argue that Reconstruction isn't really necessary, whats needed is more like... Renovation. And when Wallace runs for his own term in 1968 its on the National Renovation platform. Meanwhile, the Chicano population of the Southwest ballooned under the Americanist Union, hundreds of thousands being recruited to work in the fields while America's manpower was forced into conscription and into the bloody wars of 'Anti-Socialist Defence' in Latin America, Subsaharan Africa and East Asia. With the Progressive Party being socially liberal, this large Catholic population turns instead to an emergent political movement called Raza Unida which gains in leaps and bounds over the following years. The election of McGovern is done with the votes of many Chicanos, but slow progress of his term and the increasingly socially liberal and economically centrist position of McCloskey leads to Raza Unida getting a shot in the arm. With what could have been a loyal voting block lost, Harry Byrd is confident enough in 1980 to run for a second term and wins, the first two term President since the establishment of the Fourth Republic.

 

[Wendell]

Governors of California:
Tom Bradley (Democratic) 1983-1985*
Leo T. McCarthy (Democratic) 1985-1987
Def. George Deukmejian (Republican)
Mike Curb (Republican) 1987-1991
Def. Leo T. McCarthy (Democratic)
Frank Zappa (Freak Power) 1991-1999
1990 Def. Mike Curb (Republican) John Van De Kamp (Democratic)
1994 Def. Jerry Brown (Freedom) Ron Unz (Republican) Dennis Peron (Independent Republican) John Van De Kamp (Democratic)
Pete Wilson (United Republican) 1999-2003
Def. Jerry Brown (Freedom-Democratic Alliance)


*Resigned to become Vice President

Did I start a trend?

 

[Gonzo]

snip

I have to say honestly that I love what you have done here. You've got the general feel for what I thought might have happened in this world (with the NatRens being effective a more conservative-centrist PRI equivalent) and I do love Hiram Johnsons inability to stay on a winning ticket for long at the very start. The split in the anti-NR vote between the more socially liberal Progressives and the RUs is also a great touch which I really like - so great work (as always) with this list and making my little infobox into an even more interesting and fascinating world!

 

[Wendell]

Great Society or Greatest Society? POD: Eugene McCarthy does not run in 1968

Presidents of the United States, 1961-present.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy / Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democratic) 1961-1963
def 1960: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
Lyndon Baines Johnson / Hubert Horatio Humphrey (Democratic) 1963-1972 [1]
def 1964: Barry Morris Goldwater / William Edward Miller (Republican)
def 1968: RIchard Milhous Nixon / Spiro Theodore "Ted" Agnew (Republican) ; George Corley Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
Hubert Horatio Humphrey / Robert Francis "Bobby" Kennedy (Democratic) 1972-1977 [2]
def 1972: Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller / Paul Norton "Pete" McCloskey (Republican) ; Lester Garfield Maddox / John George Schmitz (American Independent) [3]
def 1976: Charles McCurdy "Mac" Matthias / Charles Harting "Chuck" Percy (Republican) / Maxwell Lewis "Max" Rafferty / John Richard Rarick (American Independent Party) [4]
Robert Francis Kennedy / Charles Spittal "Chuck" Robb (Democratic) 1977-1985 [5]
def 1980: Larry Lee Pressler / Howard Henry Baker (Republican) / John Connally / Fred Roy Harris (People's) [6]
Charles Spittal "Chuck" Robb / Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy (Democratic) 1985-1993 [7]
def 1984: Robert Joseph "Bob" Dole / John Bayard Anderson (Republican) / Fred Roy Harris / Harry Flood Byrd (People's) [8]
def 1988: Pierre Samuel "Pete" DuPont / Paul Dominique Laxalt (People's Republican) ; Harold Stassen / Isabell Masters (independent) [9]
Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy / Hubert Horatio "Skip" Humprey III (Democratic) 1993-2001 [10]
def 1992: Henry Ross Perot / Jack French Kemp (People's Republican) ; Maurice Robert "Mike" Gravel / Ronald Ernest "Ron" Paul (Independent) ; David Ernest Duke / Lowell Jackson "Jack" Fellure (National Independent Party) [11]
def 1996: Maurice "Morry" Taylor / Robert Kenneth "Bob" Dornan (People's Republican) ; Charles Elson "Buddy Roemer III / James Donald "Jimmy" Griffin (Independent) ; James Anthony Trafficant / Roy Stewart Moore (National Independent Party) [12]
Hubert Horatio "Skip" Humphrey III / John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr (Democratic) 2001-2009 [13]
def 2000: Malcolm Stevenson "Steve" Forbes / Robert Clinton "Bob" Smith (People's Republican) ; James Anthony Trafficant / Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson (National Independent Party) [14]
def 2004: Arlen Specter / William Philip "Phil" Gramm (People's Republican) ; Charles Obadiah "Chuck" Baldwin / Michael Peroutka (National Independent Party) [15]
John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr. / Robert Sargent "Bobby" Shriver (Democratic) 2009-2017 [16]
def 2008: George Felix Allen / Duncan Lee Hunter (People's Republican) / Thomas Gerard "Tom" Tancredo / Frank Edward McEnulty (National Independent Party) [17]
def 2012: Jon Meade Huntsman Jr / Michele Marie Bachmann (People's Republican) ; Virgil Goode / Howard J. Phillips (National Independent Party) [18]
Christopher James "Chris" Christie / Michael Okerlund (Mike) Leavitt (People's Republican) 2017-20XX [19]
def 2016: Robert Sargent "Bobby" Shriver / Patrick Joseph Kennedy ; Donald John Trump / Lincoln Davenport Chafee (Independent) [20]

 

[Wendell]

Great Society or Greatest Society? POD: Eugene McCarthy does not run in 1968

Presidents of the United States, 1961-present.

Annotations:

1. Due to Eugene McCarthy not entering the race, Lyndon Johnson easily secures the Democratic nomination once more. With the party more unified and less controversy during the primaries, Johnson and Humphrey secure reelection. The stress of the job shortens the life of the 36th President of the United States, and
2. Humphrey becomes president. He taps as his running mate in 1972 his main rival for control of the party, and utilizes Camelot nostalgia to win the 1972 election against
3. Nelson Rockefeller and Lester Maddox, the latter improving on the performance of George Wallace in 1968 due to divides in both major parties over their relative directions. However
4. Rafferty, a statewide elected official in California, does not perform nearly as well.
5. Robert Kennedy, who was not assassinated in this timeline succeeds Humphrey, who dies earlier due to the stress of the presidency, and the ceaseless quagmire in Southeast Asia which nearly costs Kennedy the election against
6. a Republican ticket that campaigns against the war, and a rebranded AIP under the charismatic former Texas governor accusing both major parties of being soft on Communism.
7. Robert Kennedy manages to secure an end to the Vietnam War in what gets billed as an "October surprise", thus rescuing the flailing presidential campaign of his Vice President, who defeats
8. a milquetoast, safe, conservative Republican ticket, and People's Party ticket that looks curiously like those that kept the AIP a regional party in earlier elections.
9. Large elements of the People's Party and the Republican attempt to merge in a bid to improve their prospects against the entrenched Democrats. Dissidents opposing the amalgamation in both parties attempt to field other candidacies, but only the dissident Republicans really succeed, if you can call it that, by nominating Stassen.
10. The third Kennedy brother secures election, despite growing fissures in the electorate with
11. elements of the old AIP organizing a new party which will nonetheless eventually find itself beset by the same challenges the old party faced, and elements of the two larger parties banding together unsure about their direction they were taking, and.
12. the same realities enduring into the next presidential election, managing only to help Uncle Ted whose open support for the IRA has sullied relations with Britain, to the delight of the Kremlin.
13. Vice President Humphrey capitalizes on Camelot nostalgia in his bid for the presidency, which is successful, because
14. even the Nippers level attacks of plutocracy against the People's Republicans.
15. The Republicans attempt unsuccessfully to improve their fortunes with a ticket of former Democrats headed by the first Jewish presidential nominee of any major party.
16. Charismatic, charming and handsome, John John sweeps into the presidency portraying himself as a reformer despite representing more of the same.
17. A divided opposition once more benefits the party in power, as the Nippers double down on populism and disillusionment in the electorate, and the People's Republicans attempt to break into their base of support.
18. The more things change, the more they stay the same; It's 2000 all over again. Insisting that at least this time their nominee has previously held office amounted to a distinction without a difference. That, and Mormonism works against the nominee in parts of the South.
19. No one to this day is sure of how he did it, but it's done; the country elects its first Republican president since Dwight Eisenhower, despite
20. Camelot appeals once more among the Democrats, and a populist/liberal independent campaign that benefits greatly from protests votes.

 

[leecannon_]

Great Society or Greatest Society? POD: Eugene McCarthy does not run in 1968

You actually created what could probably be described as LBJ's worse nightmare

 

[TwiliAlchemist]

List of Presidents of the Cascade Republic (1940-present)
1940-1946: Monrad Wallgren (National Democrats-CS)/Burton K. Wheeler (ND-CS)
def. 1940 Earl W. Snell (United Republicans-CS)/Douglas McKay (UR-TW)
1946-1958: Douglas McKay (UR-TW)/Harry P. Cain (UR-CS)
def. 1946 Burton K. Wheeler (ND-CS)/Henry "Scoop" Jackson (ND-CS)
1952-1981: Henry "Scoop" Jackson (ND-CS)/Warren Magnuson (ND-CS) [1]
def. 1952 Vic Atiyeh (UR-TW)/Hamer Budge (UR-CG)
def. 1958 Hamer Budge (UR-CG)/Various
def. 1964 Various
def. 1970 Various
def. 1976 No Opposition
1981-1982: Warren Magnuson (ND-CS)/vacant [2]
1982-1988: Daniel J. Evans (Anti-Jacksonian Collalition-CS)/Ted Kulongoski (AJC-YL) [3]
def. 1982 Warren Magnuson (ND-CS)/Gary Locke (ND-CS)
1988-1994: Ted Kulongoski (New Democratic Party-TW)/Mike Lowry(Social People's Party-CS) [4]
def. 1988 Booth Gardner (ND-CS)/Joel M. Pritchard (ND-TW)
1994-2006: Mike Lowry(Social Democracy Party-CS)/Gary Locke (SDP-TW) [5]
def. 1994 Dan Evans (Conservative Party-CS)/Slade Gorton (National Liberty Party-TW)
def. 2000 Greg Walden (Cascadian Conservative Coalition-CS)/Helen Chenoweth-Hage (CCC-CG)
2006-2012: Gary Locke (SDP-CS)/Christine Gregoire (SDP-TW) [6]
def. 2006 Ruth Bennett (P-TW)/Ted Dunlap (P-CG), Doc Hastings (CCC-CS)/Mike Simpson (CCC-CG)
2012-0000: Fmr. Gov. Dino Rossi (CCC-CS)/Butch Otter (CCC-CG) [7]
def. 2012 Gary Locke (SDP-CS)/Christine Gregoire (SDP-TW), Ruth Bennett (P-TW)/Dean Wolf (P-YL)
def. 2018 Matt Groening (SDP-TW)/Frm. Councilman William Gates (SDP-CS), Sarah Heath (P-BR)/John Smith (P-OR)

[1] The longest serving president of the Cascade Republic. The "Scoop Regime" would last for thirty years. Many feared he would be president forever, however, the unthinkable happened...
[2] President Henry "Scoop" Jackson died of old age.
[3] Those who had their ideologies oppressed by the regime came out in full force to duke it out in the election of the century.
[4] The left-wing of politics created a fusion ticket, term limits are established (no more than 2 terms of 6 years), and the President and Prime Minister can no longer be from the same state.
[5] That lead to the unification of the left fully, with the moderates in the SDP to leave and vote for the CCC while the farther right elements left to form the Pioneer Party.
[6] Which did surprisingly well! They would still lose the election to the well-liked SDP. However, the Locke Administration had the major issue of a large scale natural disaster and with a less than well received response, the CCC were ready to take back the country.
[7] See here

Cascadia For Liberty©2018

 

[Wendell]

@leecannon_ too many members of the Kennedy clan?

 

[leecannon_]

@leecannon_ too many members of the Kennedy clan?

The man was not a huge fan of them after Bobby

 

[Steve Brinson]

The man was not a huge fan of them after Bobby

Or before and during Bobby.