List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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It was originally going to be all Archbishops reclaiming their position as Chief advisor but I realised that wouldn't fly so made it peers instead
Mumby - Frank Rose 2020
2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican)
2016 def Hilary Clinton (Democrat)
2021-2037: Frank Rose (Democrat)
2020 def. Donald Trump (Republican)
2024 def. Bill Walker (Republican), Donald Trump ('Alternative' Republican)
2028 def. Arnold Schwarzenegger (Republican)
Trump's Presidency wasn't the worst ever. But his economic policies did lead to a trade war with China. His domestic policies led to industrial action, federal lawsuits and some of the worst unrest for a century. His foreign policy led to the collapse of NATO and the Russian occupation of Russophone majority areas of the Baltic states and the installation of Kremlin-friendly governments in Ukraine and the Baltic. There were attempts at impeachment but it never quite flew. The Second Great Depression, he attempted to fight with infrastructure spending and this was not an entire failure. But the 2020 presidential election was virtually a forgone conclusion. Frank Rose was a dynamic force, another New Yorker who took the country by storm, welding together a coalition of the working poor who had believed in Trump and been betrayed, the Democratic progressive base, the minorities who had been cast out and left aside over the last four years. He not only won the Presidency, but destroyed the Republican majorities in Congress.
Rose promised to give America a Fresh Slate, and this amounted to far more ambitious construction and anti-poverty programmes than Trump had ever dreamed of. He also pivoted America away from it's softly pro-Russian foreign policy and made it clear that there would be no more expansion for Russia in Europe. More controversially, Rose had a slate of constitutional amendments, including removing Presidential term limits, and made it clear he planned to fill the empty gaps in the Supreme Court. This was condemned as 'packing' but the Democratic majorities in Congress approved and broady so did the American people. The addition of more Justices gave the President a pro-Fresh Slate majority in the highest court of the land and allowed him to force through the establishment of the ambitious Federal Reconstruction Authority, which would otherwise have been found unconstitutional.
The Third World War was almost an inevitability. The clash between Washington and the Kremlin had grown to great to ignore. And Putin had grown used to limp-wristed reactions to his actions from the West, and he had become an older man, his judgment less sound than it had once been. Russian troops crossed into Kazakhstan in 2023 and the result was an American declaration war. There was a limited nuclear exchange but counter-atomic weaponry had become so sophisticated, the promised mutually-assured destruction never happened. It was to be a conventional war then.
The 2024 presidential election was fought primarily on the conduct of the war and the advance of Rose's Fresh Slate. While the Republicans largely agreed with Rose's assessment of the Russian threat, they were hostile to his domestic agenda. By contrast, Donald Trump led his most diehard of supporters, decrying Rose's 'war-mongering' while being supportive of the Fresh Slate, claiming Rose had stolen the ideas from Trump who had been restrained by 'Old Republican liberalism'.
The war was mixed at first. Le Pen's France was pro-Russian, and aided in Russia's invasion and occupation of much of Europe. Similarly, Russia had managed to secure alliance with Saudia Arabia. The old Gulf monarchy had started to stagger in the increasingly post-fossil fuel era, and with Trump's isolationism had allied with Russia in return for suzerainty over the Middle East. Putin's aging mind pictured a new world order, with Russia in command of Eurasia, France in the western European peninsula, Saudi Arabia over the Arab World, and China as a quiet friend and ally.
But China was not Putin's friend. The rulers in Beijing were disquieted by Putin's advances in Central Asia, remembering keenly the days when Russia had ruled Xinjiang as a vassal. While America struggled on in the European front, China drew their plans against Russia.
By the time of the 2028 presidential election, the Russian led Alliance was on its last legs. Saudi gains had been rolled away, France had surrendered and American-European forces were inside Russia herself, advancing toward Moscow. In the East, Chinese forces had 'liberated' Central Asia and had occupied much of the Russian Far East. Most expected Rose to step down and hand over to a worthy successor, perhaps Tulsi Gabbard. Instead, he chose to run for a third term, believing himself the only person who could see the war through to a conclusion that benefited the country the most. The Republican opposition was somewhat tepid, though they performed better than most expected. The Trumpist 'National Alternative' barely broke 1%.
It is now 2029 and the world is at peace once more. While Saudi-remnant forces continue to emerge from the Empty Quarter, the Middle East is under American occupation along with most of Europe. Most of Russia is under Chinese occupation, and Moscow is a divided city. Rose hopes that a new world emerge from the ash of the Third World War, one that will live up to the ideals he has espoused. But tensions between Washington and Beijing over the shape of this new world are already rising. At home, there are calls for Rose to step down as soon as possible now that he has ended the war, and there are allegations that hard-leftists, possibly in the pay of China have infiltrated the FRA and subverted American liberties...
2016 def Hilary Clinton (Democrat)
2021-2037: Frank Rose (Democrat)
2020 def. Donald Trump (Republican)
2024 def. Bill Walker (Republican), Donald Trump ('Alternative' Republican)
2028 def. Arnold Schwarzenegger (Republican)
Trump's Presidency wasn't the worst ever. But his economic policies did lead to a trade war with China. His domestic policies led to industrial action, federal lawsuits and some of the worst unrest for a century. His foreign policy led to the collapse of NATO and the Russian occupation of Russophone majority areas of the Baltic states and the installation of Kremlin-friendly governments in Ukraine and the Baltic. There were attempts at impeachment but it never quite flew. The Second Great Depression, he attempted to fight with infrastructure spending and this was not an entire failure. But the 2020 presidential election was virtually a forgone conclusion. Frank Rose was a dynamic force, another New Yorker who took the country by storm, welding together a coalition of the working poor who had believed in Trump and been betrayed, the Democratic progressive base, the minorities who had been cast out and left aside over the last four years. He not only won the Presidency, but destroyed the Republican majorities in Congress.
Rose promised to give America a Fresh Slate, and this amounted to far more ambitious construction and anti-poverty programmes than Trump had ever dreamed of. He also pivoted America away from it's softly pro-Russian foreign policy and made it clear that there would be no more expansion for Russia in Europe. More controversially, Rose had a slate of constitutional amendments, including removing Presidential term limits, and made it clear he planned to fill the empty gaps in the Supreme Court. This was condemned as 'packing' but the Democratic majorities in Congress approved and broady so did the American people. The addition of more Justices gave the President a pro-Fresh Slate majority in the highest court of the land and allowed him to force through the establishment of the ambitious Federal Reconstruction Authority, which would otherwise have been found unconstitutional.
The Third World War was almost an inevitability. The clash between Washington and the Kremlin had grown to great to ignore. And Putin had grown used to limp-wristed reactions to his actions from the West, and he had become an older man, his judgment less sound than it had once been. Russian troops crossed into Kazakhstan in 2023 and the result was an American declaration war. There was a limited nuclear exchange but counter-atomic weaponry had become so sophisticated, the promised mutually-assured destruction never happened. It was to be a conventional war then.
The 2024 presidential election was fought primarily on the conduct of the war and the advance of Rose's Fresh Slate. While the Republicans largely agreed with Rose's assessment of the Russian threat, they were hostile to his domestic agenda. By contrast, Donald Trump led his most diehard of supporters, decrying Rose's 'war-mongering' while being supportive of the Fresh Slate, claiming Rose had stolen the ideas from Trump who had been restrained by 'Old Republican liberalism'.
The war was mixed at first. Le Pen's France was pro-Russian, and aided in Russia's invasion and occupation of much of Europe. Similarly, Russia had managed to secure alliance with Saudia Arabia. The old Gulf monarchy had started to stagger in the increasingly post-fossil fuel era, and with Trump's isolationism had allied with Russia in return for suzerainty over the Middle East. Putin's aging mind pictured a new world order, with Russia in command of Eurasia, France in the western European peninsula, Saudi Arabia over the Arab World, and China as a quiet friend and ally.
But China was not Putin's friend. The rulers in Beijing were disquieted by Putin's advances in Central Asia, remembering keenly the days when Russia had ruled Xinjiang as a vassal. While America struggled on in the European front, China drew their plans against Russia.
By the time of the 2028 presidential election, the Russian led Alliance was on its last legs. Saudi gains had been rolled away, France had surrendered and American-European forces were inside Russia herself, advancing toward Moscow. In the East, Chinese forces had 'liberated' Central Asia and had occupied much of the Russian Far East. Most expected Rose to step down and hand over to a worthy successor, perhaps Tulsi Gabbard. Instead, he chose to run for a third term, believing himself the only person who could see the war through to a conclusion that benefited the country the most. The Republican opposition was somewhat tepid, though they performed better than most expected. The Trumpist 'National Alternative' barely broke 1%.
It is now 2029 and the world is at peace once more. While Saudi-remnant forces continue to emerge from the Empty Quarter, the Middle East is under American occupation along with most of Europe. Most of Russia is under Chinese occupation, and Moscow is a divided city. Rose hopes that a new world emerge from the ash of the Third World War, one that will live up to the ideals he has espoused. But tensions between Washington and Beijing over the shape of this new world are already rising. At home, there are calls for Rose to step down as soon as possible now that he has ended the war, and there are allegations that hard-leftists, possibly in the pay of China have infiltrated the FRA and subverted American liberties...
Bravo. Just, bravo. Frank's quite the character isn't he -- I hear his wife Ellie is pretty indomitable too, takes after her uncle Ted. Now just substitute our hypothetical hero for a flinty ex-academic (thankfully from a long-lived family given her age in 2020) elected from Massachusetts who likes saying what she actually thinks to the plutocrats and we might be getting somewhere
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Kaiser_Wilhelm - Frothy
Rosa Luxemburg
Banned
Frothy
Barack Obama | Joe Biden (2009-2013)
2008: John McCain | Sarah Palin
Rick Santorum | Mitt Romney (2013-2017)
2012: Barack Obama | Joe Biden
Hillary Clinton | Julian Castro (2017-2021)
2017: Rick Santorum | Ted Cruz, Mitt Romney | Jeb Bush
Julian Castro | Tim Kaine (2021-2029)
2020: Ted Cruz | Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio | Justin Amash, Elizabeth Warren | Rahm Emmanuel
2024: Justin Amash | George P. Bush, Ted Cruz | Alexander Hamilton, Rahm Emmanuel | Tulsi Gabbard
Barack Obama | Joe Biden (2009-2013)
2008: John McCain | Sarah Palin
Rick Santorum | Mitt Romney (2013-2017)
2012: Barack Obama | Joe Biden
Hillary Clinton | Julian Castro (2017-2021)
2017: Rick Santorum | Ted Cruz, Mitt Romney | Jeb Bush
Julian Castro | Tim Kaine (2021-2029)
2020: Ted Cruz | Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio | Justin Amash, Elizabeth Warren | Rahm Emmanuel
2024: Justin Amash | George P. Bush, Ted Cruz | Alexander Hamilton, Rahm Emmanuel | Tulsi Gabbard
Peyton - Roosevelt's Progressives Win in 1912
Theodore Roosevelt/Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican) 1901-09
1904: Alton B. Parker/Henry G. Davis (Democrat)
William Howard Taft/James S. Sherman (R) 1909-13
1908: William Jennings Bryan/John W. Kern (D)
Theodore Roosevelt/Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 1913-17*
1912: William Howard Taft/James S. Sherman (R), Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R. Marshall (D), Eugene V. Debs/Emil Seidel
Hiram Johnson/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (P) 1917-25
1916: Oscar Underwood/Champ Clark (D), Charles E. Hughes/Charles W. Fairbanks (R)
1920: Henry Ford/Al Smith (D), Warren G. Harding/Calvin Collidge (R)
Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover (R) 1925-33
1924: Robert M. La Follette Sr./Franklin D. Roosevelt (P), John W. Davis/Charles W. Bryan (D)
Franklin D. Roosevelt/Henry A. Wallace (P) 1933-45
1932: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis (R)
1936: Wendell Willkie/Arthur H. Vandenberg (R)
1940: John W. Bricker/Harold Stassen (R)
1944: Robert A. Taft/Everett Dirksen (R)
Henry A. Wallace/Fiorello H. La Guardia (P) 1945-53
1948: Robert A. Taft/Thomas Dewey (R). Strom Thurmond/Fielding L. Wright (D)
Douglas MacArthur/Earl Warren (R) 1953-61
Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kennedy (P) 1961-63**
John F. Kennedy/Martin Luther King Jr. (P) 1963-73
Richard M. Nixon/George McGovern (P) 1973-81
Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush (R) 1981-89
George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle (R) 1989-1993
H. Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Reform) 1993-2001
Donald J. Trump/Richard Lamm (Reform) 2001-2009
Ron Paul/William 'Bill' Weld (R) 2009-2017
Bernard Sanders/Barack H. Obama (P) 2017-
2016: William 'Bill' Weld/Hillary Clinton (R), Jesse Ventura/Alex Jones (Reform), Mike Pence/Jack Fellure (D)
*After T. Roosevelt's successful third term, the Populist wing of the Democratic Party joined the Progressive Party. The Democratic Party still survives to this day, although they are too busy nominating openly racist candidates to get 5%.
**RIP LBJ, November 22, 1963
Sorry, I was too lazy to do the candidates from 1952 to 2016
Only Candidates that received more than 5% are included
1904: Alton B. Parker/Henry G. Davis (Democrat)
William Howard Taft/James S. Sherman (R) 1909-13
1908: William Jennings Bryan/John W. Kern (D)
Theodore Roosevelt/Hiram Johnson (Progressive) 1913-17*
1912: William Howard Taft/James S. Sherman (R), Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R. Marshall (D), Eugene V. Debs/Emil Seidel
Hiram Johnson/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (P) 1917-25
1916: Oscar Underwood/Champ Clark (D), Charles E. Hughes/Charles W. Fairbanks (R)
1920: Henry Ford/Al Smith (D), Warren G. Harding/Calvin Collidge (R)
Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover (R) 1925-33
1924: Robert M. La Follette Sr./Franklin D. Roosevelt (P), John W. Davis/Charles W. Bryan (D)
Franklin D. Roosevelt/Henry A. Wallace (P) 1933-45
1932: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis (R)
1936: Wendell Willkie/Arthur H. Vandenberg (R)
1940: John W. Bricker/Harold Stassen (R)
1944: Robert A. Taft/Everett Dirksen (R)
Henry A. Wallace/Fiorello H. La Guardia (P) 1945-53
1948: Robert A. Taft/Thomas Dewey (R). Strom Thurmond/Fielding L. Wright (D)
Douglas MacArthur/Earl Warren (R) 1953-61
Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kennedy (P) 1961-63**
John F. Kennedy/Martin Luther King Jr. (P) 1963-73
Richard M. Nixon/George McGovern (P) 1973-81
Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush (R) 1981-89
George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle (R) 1989-1993
H. Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Reform) 1993-2001
Donald J. Trump/Richard Lamm (Reform) 2001-2009
Ron Paul/William 'Bill' Weld (R) 2009-2017
Bernard Sanders/Barack H. Obama (P) 2017-
2016: William 'Bill' Weld/Hillary Clinton (R), Jesse Ventura/Alex Jones (Reform), Mike Pence/Jack Fellure (D)
*After T. Roosevelt's successful third term, the Populist wing of the Democratic Party joined the Progressive Party. The Democratic Party still survives to this day, although they are too busy nominating openly racist candidates to get 5%.
**RIP LBJ, November 22, 1963
Sorry, I was too lazy to do the candidates from 1952 to 2016
Only Candidates that received more than 5% are included
shiftygiant - Je Sais Pas
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
Je Sais Pas
In which I nakedly reveal I know nothing about France.
1995-2002: Jacques Chirac (RPR)
def. 1995: Lionel Jospin (Socialist), Édouard Balladur (UDF)
2002-2007: Lionel Jospin (Socialist)
def. 2002: Jacques Chirac (RPR), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN)
2007-2008: Alain Juppé (UMP) [1]
def. 2007: Lionel Jospin (Socialist), François Bayrou (UDF)
2008-2008: Jean-Pierre Bel (Socialist) [2]
2008-2013: Jean-Luc Mélenchon (Socialist)
def. 2008: Françoid Bayrou (UDF), Dominique de Villepin (UMP)
2013-20??: Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet (RU)
def. 2013: Jean-Luc Mélenchon (Socialist), Marie Le Pen (FN)
1- Resigned due to mounting personal scandals.
2- Former President of the Senate elevated following the resignation of the President; acting President until election.
In which I nakedly reveal I know nothing about France.
1995-2002: Jacques Chirac (RPR)
def. 1995: Lionel Jospin (Socialist), Édouard Balladur (UDF)
2002-2007: Lionel Jospin (Socialist)
def. 2002: Jacques Chirac (RPR), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN)
2007-2008: Alain Juppé (UMP) [1]
def. 2007: Lionel Jospin (Socialist), François Bayrou (UDF)
2008-2008: Jean-Pierre Bel (Socialist) [2]
2008-2013: Jean-Luc Mélenchon (Socialist)
def. 2008: Françoid Bayrou (UDF), Dominique de Villepin (UMP)
2013-20??: Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet (RU)
def. 2013: Jean-Luc Mélenchon (Socialist), Marie Le Pen (FN)
1- Resigned due to mounting personal scandals.
2- Former President of the Senate elevated following the resignation of the President; acting President until election.
Uhura's Mazda - Rhodesia Survives
Uhura's Mazda
Banned
Something a little bit different.
List of Prime Ministers of Rhodesia
1964-1987: Ian Smith (Rhodesian Front) [1]
1965 def: Josiah Gondo (National People's Party), Roy Welensky (Rhodesian Party)
1970 def: Maj-Gen. Sam Putterill (Centre Party), Josiah Gondo (National People's Union)
1974 def: Godfrey Chidyasiku (Independent African National Council), Capt. Allan Savory (Rhodesia Party), Micah Bhebe (Centre Party)
1977 def: Capt. Allan Savory (Rhodesia Party), Guy Larché (Rhodesian Action Party)
1981 def: Capt. Allan Savory (United Party), Abel Muzorewa (Patriotic Front)
1985 def: Capt. Allan Savory (United Party), Abel Muzorewa (Patriotic Front)
1987-1990: Air Marshal Archibald Wilson (Rhodesian Front)
1990-1993: Dr. Ahrn Palley (Independent, leading United-Patriotic Front Coalition) [2]
1990 def: Air Marshal Archibald Wilson (Rhodesian Front), Ndabaningi Sithole (Patriotic Front)
1993-1995: Capt. Allan Savory (United-Patriotic Front Coalition) [3]
1995-2008: Denis Walker (Rhodesian Front) [4]
1995 def: Capt. Allan Savory (United Party), James Chikerema (Patriotic Front)
1999 def: Diana Mitchell (Reform Party), Robert Mugabe (Patriotic Front)
2004 def: (cancelled)
2008-2014: John Bredenkamp (Rhodesian Front) [5]
2009 def: Doris Lessing/Morgan Tsvangirai (Front for Patriotic Reform)
2014-0000: Roy Bennett (Rhodesian Front-Reform Party Coalition) [6]
2014 def: Timothy Stamps (Reform Party), Nelson Chamisa (Patriotic Front)
[1] - Ian Smith was the first Prime Minister of the independent state of Rhodesia, presiding over the Unilateral Declaration of Independence in 1965 and the establishment of a Republic in 1970. He also presided over a distinctly racist regime, with the 7% White population having a ludicrously disproportionate influence over the course of events. Now, Rhodesia immediately became a pariah state, only surviving due to good relations with Fascist Portugal and Apartheid South Africa. If either of these regimes had fallen, Rhodesia would have been doomed. But fortunately for the Whites, President Reagan made the historic step of recognising the country in 1978, going on to sell large amounts of arms to Smith, with which he put down the smouldering Bush War against Black rebels. This support led to the open flouting of UN sanctions (which are technically still in place) by pretty much every Western country except for Britain. Smith, therefore, continued as Prime Minister until 1987, never fearing for his majority, although Allan Savory's moderates did increasingly well in the 1980s. The Bush War came to an end in 1980, when the various Marxist forces were forced to the negotiating table after the arrival of three American corps. Their Patriotic Front declared that they would avoid violent means for reform, and went on to win every Black seat in all subsequent elections.
[2] - After Ian Smith's resignation due to old age, there was something of a power vacuum in Rhodesia - Smith had been something of a father to his particular section of the population. So after his death, the Air Marshal, Archie Wilson, took over (despite the protests of the Patriotic Front, who accused him of war crimes for ordering the Gwelo Massacres). Wilson was a mainstay of White Rhodesian society, but a relative nonentity as a Politician. And this, together with the growing post-war rapprochement, enabled a tenuous coalition between the Popular Front (with 16 seats) and the United Party and related Independents (with 18) which made a majority of two. Dr Palley had been in the House of Assembly at the time of the UDI, when he was the only White voice to oppose it, and now he was proposed as Prime Minister as a consensus candidate between the two opposition parties - the United Party, for all its moderation, balked at co-operating with Communists, and vice versa. The Coalition embarked on a limited programme of Land and Economic reform, but the rightist faction in the United Party prevented any Constitutional changes or an end to segregation within the urban areas.
[3] - Dr. Palley died in 1993, at which point the Rhodesian Front gained his former seat at a by-election. Captain Savory then took over, but with the Government and Opposition benches exactly equal, there was little he could do as Prime Minister apart from improving the agricultural situation in Rhodesia - the country is still known as 'The Breadbasket of Africa', although how much pleasure this gives to the Black workers on the still-dominant big farms is questionable at best.
[4] - Savory, of course, could not equal the seat total of 1990 again, and the Rhodesian Front returned to office in 1995, winning all but two of the White seats. Now they were led by Denis Walker, the British-born ultra-Conservative who managed to normalise Rhodesia's International situation with the mere application of smarm. By the end of the 1990s, the sanctions had been lifted, the monarchy restored and a creditable medal tally at the Commonwealth Games achieved. This could not, of course, have been done without Walker's friendly personal relations with both President Buchanan and Prime Minister Redwood, as well as the eager support of De Klerk and the Portuguese. But as soon as Rhodesia's political system had been recognised externally, it was to face grave crisis from within. During the early 200s, Robert Mugabe dragged the Patriotic Front (the Party which almost monopolised the Black vote) back to the extreme and violent Left, with significant terrorist attacks in Salisbury and Bulawayo, along with killings of White farmers - the video of one such brutal atrocity was one of the first videos to be uploaded to MyScreen.com, which had, of course, massive implications for the beginnings of viral video. But closer to home, Walker's only option was to ban opposition parties, which he did in 2003. The 45 remaining RF MPs continued in an Emergency Government until 2009, but Walker had resigned due to exhaustion the year before, satisfied that the Communists could no longer retaliate against the actions of the Rhodesian Armed Forces and mercenaries.
[5] - One of the major architects of the Suppression was, of course, John Bredenkamp, who had been a key facilitator of trade during the years of the Sanctions, and even now was able to find thousands upon thousands of mercenaries to kill and mutilate their fair share of insurgents. In thanks, he was co-opted to the House of Assembly in 2006, and became Prime Minister just two years later. However, he did not perform very well in the 2009 election, in which the Patriotic Front and the Reform Party (born from the embers of Savory's United Party) presented common candidates and vilified Bredenkamp for his alleged corruption and involvement in 'atrocities'. He resigned in 2014, having been accosted one time too many by the left-winger Doris Lessing for his role in the alleged 'Mabelreign Unpleasantness'.
[6] - Roy Bennett replaced him and fought the subsequent 2014 elections, in which the bluff yet charismatic farmer lost ground to the newly centre-left Reform Party. However, although the arithmetic seemed to be a repeat of 1990, the Reformists did not choose to go into a tiny-majority coalition with the Patriotic Front, and are currently supporting the Rhodesian Front - this is actually a fairly decent decision, because they have managed to wrangle certain state measures to support poor whites from the RF, along with the the Constitutional reform of a Bicameral Legislature, in which Blacks will have a separate legislative body only marginally junior to the White House of Assembly. This will come into force after the next election and is being greeted warmly by many foreign observers - although some say it will only be a 'Puppet House' and that it is only an excuse to remove troublesome Patriotic Front voices from the House of Assembly. Only time will tell.
List of Prime Ministers of Rhodesia
1964-1987: Ian Smith (Rhodesian Front) [1]
1965 def: Josiah Gondo (National People's Party), Roy Welensky (Rhodesian Party)
1970 def: Maj-Gen. Sam Putterill (Centre Party), Josiah Gondo (National People's Union)
1974 def: Godfrey Chidyasiku (Independent African National Council), Capt. Allan Savory (Rhodesia Party), Micah Bhebe (Centre Party)
1977 def: Capt. Allan Savory (Rhodesia Party), Guy Larché (Rhodesian Action Party)
1981 def: Capt. Allan Savory (United Party), Abel Muzorewa (Patriotic Front)
1985 def: Capt. Allan Savory (United Party), Abel Muzorewa (Patriotic Front)
1987-1990: Air Marshal Archibald Wilson (Rhodesian Front)
1990-1993: Dr. Ahrn Palley (Independent, leading United-Patriotic Front Coalition) [2]
1990 def: Air Marshal Archibald Wilson (Rhodesian Front), Ndabaningi Sithole (Patriotic Front)
1993-1995: Capt. Allan Savory (United-Patriotic Front Coalition) [3]
1995-2008: Denis Walker (Rhodesian Front) [4]
1995 def: Capt. Allan Savory (United Party), James Chikerema (Patriotic Front)
1999 def: Diana Mitchell (Reform Party), Robert Mugabe (Patriotic Front)
2004 def: (cancelled)
2008-2014: John Bredenkamp (Rhodesian Front) [5]
2009 def: Doris Lessing/Morgan Tsvangirai (Front for Patriotic Reform)
2014-0000: Roy Bennett (Rhodesian Front-Reform Party Coalition) [6]
2014 def: Timothy Stamps (Reform Party), Nelson Chamisa (Patriotic Front)
[1] - Ian Smith was the first Prime Minister of the independent state of Rhodesia, presiding over the Unilateral Declaration of Independence in 1965 and the establishment of a Republic in 1970. He also presided over a distinctly racist regime, with the 7% White population having a ludicrously disproportionate influence over the course of events. Now, Rhodesia immediately became a pariah state, only surviving due to good relations with Fascist Portugal and Apartheid South Africa. If either of these regimes had fallen, Rhodesia would have been doomed. But fortunately for the Whites, President Reagan made the historic step of recognising the country in 1978, going on to sell large amounts of arms to Smith, with which he put down the smouldering Bush War against Black rebels. This support led to the open flouting of UN sanctions (which are technically still in place) by pretty much every Western country except for Britain. Smith, therefore, continued as Prime Minister until 1987, never fearing for his majority, although Allan Savory's moderates did increasingly well in the 1980s. The Bush War came to an end in 1980, when the various Marxist forces were forced to the negotiating table after the arrival of three American corps. Their Patriotic Front declared that they would avoid violent means for reform, and went on to win every Black seat in all subsequent elections.
[2] - After Ian Smith's resignation due to old age, there was something of a power vacuum in Rhodesia - Smith had been something of a father to his particular section of the population. So after his death, the Air Marshal, Archie Wilson, took over (despite the protests of the Patriotic Front, who accused him of war crimes for ordering the Gwelo Massacres). Wilson was a mainstay of White Rhodesian society, but a relative nonentity as a Politician. And this, together with the growing post-war rapprochement, enabled a tenuous coalition between the Popular Front (with 16 seats) and the United Party and related Independents (with 18) which made a majority of two. Dr Palley had been in the House of Assembly at the time of the UDI, when he was the only White voice to oppose it, and now he was proposed as Prime Minister as a consensus candidate between the two opposition parties - the United Party, for all its moderation, balked at co-operating with Communists, and vice versa. The Coalition embarked on a limited programme of Land and Economic reform, but the rightist faction in the United Party prevented any Constitutional changes or an end to segregation within the urban areas.
[3] - Dr. Palley died in 1993, at which point the Rhodesian Front gained his former seat at a by-election. Captain Savory then took over, but with the Government and Opposition benches exactly equal, there was little he could do as Prime Minister apart from improving the agricultural situation in Rhodesia - the country is still known as 'The Breadbasket of Africa', although how much pleasure this gives to the Black workers on the still-dominant big farms is questionable at best.
[4] - Savory, of course, could not equal the seat total of 1990 again, and the Rhodesian Front returned to office in 1995, winning all but two of the White seats. Now they were led by Denis Walker, the British-born ultra-Conservative who managed to normalise Rhodesia's International situation with the mere application of smarm. By the end of the 1990s, the sanctions had been lifted, the monarchy restored and a creditable medal tally at the Commonwealth Games achieved. This could not, of course, have been done without Walker's friendly personal relations with both President Buchanan and Prime Minister Redwood, as well as the eager support of De Klerk and the Portuguese. But as soon as Rhodesia's political system had been recognised externally, it was to face grave crisis from within. During the early 200s, Robert Mugabe dragged the Patriotic Front (the Party which almost monopolised the Black vote) back to the extreme and violent Left, with significant terrorist attacks in Salisbury and Bulawayo, along with killings of White farmers - the video of one such brutal atrocity was one of the first videos to be uploaded to MyScreen.com, which had, of course, massive implications for the beginnings of viral video. But closer to home, Walker's only option was to ban opposition parties, which he did in 2003. The 45 remaining RF MPs continued in an Emergency Government until 2009, but Walker had resigned due to exhaustion the year before, satisfied that the Communists could no longer retaliate against the actions of the Rhodesian Armed Forces and mercenaries.
[5] - One of the major architects of the Suppression was, of course, John Bredenkamp, who had been a key facilitator of trade during the years of the Sanctions, and even now was able to find thousands upon thousands of mercenaries to kill and mutilate their fair share of insurgents. In thanks, he was co-opted to the House of Assembly in 2006, and became Prime Minister just two years later. However, he did not perform very well in the 2009 election, in which the Patriotic Front and the Reform Party (born from the embers of Savory's United Party) presented common candidates and vilified Bredenkamp for his alleged corruption and involvement in 'atrocities'. He resigned in 2014, having been accosted one time too many by the left-winger Doris Lessing for his role in the alleged 'Mabelreign Unpleasantness'.
[6] - Roy Bennett replaced him and fought the subsequent 2014 elections, in which the bluff yet charismatic farmer lost ground to the newly centre-left Reform Party. However, although the arithmetic seemed to be a repeat of 1990, the Reformists did not choose to go into a tiny-majority coalition with the Patriotic Front, and are currently supporting the Rhodesian Front - this is actually a fairly decent decision, because they have managed to wrangle certain state measures to support poor whites from the RF, along with the the Constitutional reform of a Bicameral Legislature, in which Blacks will have a separate legislative body only marginally junior to the White House of Assembly. This will come into force after the next election and is being greeted warmly by many foreign observers - although some say it will only be a 'Puppet House' and that it is only an excuse to remove troublesome Patriotic Front voices from the House of Assembly. Only time will tell.
I'm not sure, but the 'Puppet House' bit makes me wonder, is this an analogue of South Africa but shifted forward twenty or twenty five years?
Uhura's Mazda
Banned
No, it's not an analogue, but the 'separate but equal legislatures' thing is a natural defence mechanism for a racist state.
Cevolian - In Unity Security
IN UNITY SECURITY
General Secretaries of the League of Nations;
1920-1933: Sir Eric Drummond (Non-Partisan, UK)
1933-1940: Joseph Avenol (Non-Partisan, France)
1940-1947: Cordell Hull (Non-Partisan, USA)
First Citizens of the United Nations;
1947-1951: Herbert Hoover (Non-Partisan, USA)
1947 def - Unopposed
1951-1959: Dwight Eisenhower (Union, USA)
1951 def - [various "Nationalists"], [various "Non-Partisan"], Scattered Votes for Regional Figures
1955 def - Haille Selassie (Alliance of Nationalists and Democrats, Abyssinia), Oswald Mosley (Independence, UK)
1959-19---: Charles DeGaulle (Alliance of Nationalists and Democrats, France)
1959 def - Robert Schuman (Union, France), Konrad Adenauer (Self-Determination and Independence, Germany), Ayn Rand (Liberty, USA)
I made a map and wrote up some notes for a world like this a while ago - the basic idea is that the League of Nations becomes much stronger after a dramatically much worse WWI, with even the USA joining. Moves towards greater integration begin in the late 1930s after the member states come together to tackle an alternate Great Depression (an effort led primarily by US President Herbert Hoover). This leads the UK, USSR, Japan and the "Third German Empire" (a neo Monarchist/fascist state - think Hungary in the 40s) to exit the League and forge their own path. When, after a dubious election brings Austria into the German Empire, things escalate and the League attacks Germany. This sets off a chain of events leading to an unholy alliance of the non-League powers, who see it as using its strength to try and unite the world under the banner of the League. Western Europe comes to form a "European Common Economic Zone" whilst Eastern Europe join up as the "Intermarum Union" and the nations of the Americas as the "Western Hemisphere Cooperation Area".
The war is gruelling and brutal, with the Soviet Union very nearly breaking the back of the American and French armies until a nuclear bomb is dropped on Moscow in 1945. Britain is the last member to "fall" actually achieving a peace treaty with the League after its colonies have been occupied, under which Britain is not militarily occupied like her allies and is allowed to join as a full member on the condition that she dissolves her Empire. The brutal loss of life seen in the war and the unity needed to prosecute it lead to even closer connections between the League of Nations' member states and it transforms into the "United Nations" (imagine a slightly weaker EU covering the whole globe) with a "First Citizen" elected using an electoral college from each member state and heavily modelled on the American Presidency. The office is initially held by Herbert Hoover, whose economic relief programmes in the 1930s are seen as the precursor of the UN as it is today.
By 1959 the UN's political culture is dominated by the "Union" and "Alliance of Nationalists and Democrats" parties, one standing for tighter integration and the other for greater autonomy and cultural freedom. The smaller "Self-Determination and Independence" party is primarily based in Britain and stands effectively for the return to the far less integrated days of the league and has growing support in Germany. The final party "Liberty" stands for a global common market, currency and a common (monetarist) fiscal policy as well as the rolling back of the stage...
loneranger - Here We Go Again
Here We Go Again
1989-1997: George HW Bush / Bob Dole
1997-2001: Bernie Sanders /Joseph Biden
2001-2009: John McCain / George W Bush
2009-2013: George W Bush / Mitt Romney
2013-2021: Martin O'Malley / Mark Cuban
Basically the Carter-Reagan-Bush-Clinton cycle repeated, with Bernie Sanders (ITTL a Democratic Governor of Vermont) being the "nice guy outsider / not-outsider" candidate who ends up having a very lackluster presidency, leading to the McCain Revolution in the Noughts, McCain's VP (his strongest contender in the primary) goes on to be President for a term (I also thought it would be fun to have W take HW's place in this redo). Martin O'Malley is the centrist* Dem with a wealthy VP who ends up having to deal with an intensely hostile Congress starting after the 2014 elections (an ATL Tea Party / Republican Revolution).
I guess this means Greg Abbott becomes President in 2021 after narrowly defeating Evan McMullin in the primary and Mark Cuban in the general?
1989-1997: George HW Bush / Bob Dole
1997-2001: Bernie Sanders /Joseph Biden
2001-2009: John McCain / George W Bush
2009-2013: George W Bush / Mitt Romney
2013-2021: Martin O'Malley / Mark Cuban
Basically the Carter-Reagan-Bush-Clinton cycle repeated, with Bernie Sanders (ITTL a Democratic Governor of Vermont) being the "nice guy outsider / not-outsider" candidate who ends up having a very lackluster presidency, leading to the McCain Revolution in the Noughts, McCain's VP (his strongest contender in the primary) goes on to be President for a term (I also thought it would be fun to have W take HW's place in this redo). Martin O'Malley is the centrist* Dem with a wealthy VP who ends up having to deal with an intensely hostile Congress starting after the 2014 elections (an ATL Tea Party / Republican Revolution).
I guess this means Greg Abbott becomes President in 2021 after narrowly defeating Evan McMullin in the primary and Mark Cuban in the general?
loneranger - Nixon as FDR aka the Worst of All Timelines
Nixon as FDR aka the Worst of All Timelines
1969-1977: Richard Nixon / Spiro Agnew
1977-1981: Richard Nixon / Ronald Reagan
1981: Richard Nixon / George Bush
1981-1985: George Bush / vacant
1985-1989: George Bush / Bob Dole
1989-1997: William Westmoreland / Joseph Biden
1997-1999: Kay Bailey Hutchison / John McCain
1999-2001: John McCain / vacant
2001-2005: John McCain / Newt Gingrich
2005-2009: Joseph Biden / John Edwards
2009-2010: Joseph Biden / vacant
2010: Joseph Biden / Chuck Schumer
2010-2013: Chuck Schumer / John Kerry
2013-2017: Mitt Romney / Rick Perry
2017: Hillary Rodham / Barack Obama
Hella convergent, but I'm just passing the time here.
1969-1977: Richard Nixon / Spiro Agnew
1977-1981: Richard Nixon / Ronald Reagan
1981: Richard Nixon / George Bush
1981-1985: George Bush / vacant
1985-1989: George Bush / Bob Dole
1989-1997: William Westmoreland / Joseph Biden
1997-1999: Kay Bailey Hutchison / John McCain
1999-2001: John McCain / vacant
2001-2005: John McCain / Newt Gingrich
2005-2009: Joseph Biden / John Edwards
2009-2010: Joseph Biden / vacant
2010: Joseph Biden / Chuck Schumer
2010-2013: Chuck Schumer / John Kerry
2013-2017: Mitt Romney / Rick Perry
2017: Hillary Rodham / Barack Obama
Hella convergent, but I'm just passing the time here.
Has to be George P, surely?Here We Go Again
1989-1997: George HW Bush / Bob Dole
1997-2001: Bernie Sanders /Joseph Biden
2001-2009: John McCain / George W Bush
2009-2013: George W Bush / Mitt Romney
2013-2021: Martin O'Malley / Mark Cuban
Basically the Carter-Reagan-Bush-Clinton cycle repeated, with Bernie Sanders (ITTL a Democratic Governor of Vermont) being the "nice guy outsider / not-outsider" candidate who ends up having a very lackluster presidency, leading to the McCain Revolution in the Noughts, McCain's VP (his strongest contender in the primary) goes on to be President for a term (I also thought it would be fun to have W take HW's place in this redo). Martin O'Malley is the centrist* Dem with a wealthy VP who ends up having to deal with an intensely hostile Congress starting after the 2014 elections (an ATL Tea Party / Republican Revolution).
I guess this means Greg Abbott becomes President in 2021 after narrowly defeating Evan McMullin in the primary and Mark Cuban in the general?
shiftygiant - Enoch's National Front
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
Here's a list for Enoch's National Front, a shit timeline by a white supremacist who was banned.
1970-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative)
def. 1970: Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1974-1976: Harold Wilson (Labour)
def. 1974 Feb (Minority): Edward Heath (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
def. 1974 Oct: Edward Heath (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal), Enoch Powell (National Front)
1976-1982: James Callaghan (Labour)
def. 1978 (SNP, Plaid Cymru, Liberal, SDLP Supply/Confidence): William Whitelaw (Conservative), Enoch Powell (National Front), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1982-9999: Enoch Powell (National Front)
def. 1982: Margret Thatcher (Conservative), James Callaghan (Labour)
def. 1986: Michael Heseltine (Conservative), Michael Foot (Labour), David Owen (Alliance)
def. 1990: Neil Kinnock/David Owen (Progressive Alliance), Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
And then Cumbria was banned.
1970-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative)
def. 1970: Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1974-1976: Harold Wilson (Labour)
def. 1974 Feb (Minority): Edward Heath (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
def. 1974 Oct: Edward Heath (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal), Enoch Powell (National Front)
1976-1982: James Callaghan (Labour)
def. 1978 (SNP, Plaid Cymru, Liberal, SDLP Supply/Confidence): William Whitelaw (Conservative), Enoch Powell (National Front), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1982-9999: Enoch Powell (National Front)
def. 1982: Margret Thatcher (Conservative), James Callaghan (Labour)
def. 1986: Michael Heseltine (Conservative), Michael Foot (Labour), David Owen (Alliance)
def. 1990: Neil Kinnock/David Owen (Progressive Alliance), Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
And then Cumbria was banned.
I'm impressed he only got banned after what must have been a substantial number of more posts... I'd honestly be interested in someone doing a genuine, plausible, and non horrific version of that TL but I feel the concept of Powell defecting is too marred by Cumbria's fucked up neonazi legacy...
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