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Also turns out the three of us really don't have that many unique ideas
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Also turns out the three of us really don't have that many unique ideas
Primarily it occurred under the leadership of Bob Clark, who in OTL served as interim leader of the Alberta Social Credit Party
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1920-1921: Cramholt Ethelstein (Conservative Party)
1921-1925: Arnold Bonard (Conservative Party)
1925-1931: Clement Attlee (Labor Minority Government)
1931-1932: Clement Attlee (Labor-Liberal Coalition)
1932-1946: Winston Churchill (National Party)
1946-1950: Robert Holvaster (Conservative Minority Government)
1921-1925: Arnold Bonard (Conservative Party)
1925-1931: Clement Attlee (Labor Minority Government)
1931-1932: Clement Attlee (Labor-Liberal Coalition)
1932-1946: Winston Churchill (National Party)
1946-1950: Robert Holvaster (Conservative Minority Government)
Cevolian - Through A Glass Darkly
THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY
It's like OTL, but worse!
It's like OTL, but worse!
1940-1945: Sir Robert Vansittart (Conservative leading Wartime All-Party Coalition)
1945-1950: Emmanuel Shinwell (Labour)
1945: (Majority) def - Sir Robert Vansittart (Conservative-National Liberal-National Labour), Sir Richard Acland (Liberal)
1950-1955: Sir Robert Vansitart (Unionist)
1950: (Majority) def - Emmanuel Shinwell (Labour), David Renton (Liberal and National Liberal Union)
1955-1957: Duff Cooper (Unionist)
1955: (Majority) def - Emmanuel Shinwell (Labour), David Renton (Liberal Union)
1957-1963: Noel Skelton (Unionist)
1963-1963: Robert Gascoyne-Cecil (Unionist Majority)
1963-1970: John Freeman (Labour)
1963: (Majority) def - Robert Gascoyne-Cecil (Unionist), Mark Bonham-Carter (Liberal)
1965: (Majority) def - Anthony Nutting (Unionist), Mark Bonham-Carter (Liberal)
1970-1975: Anthony Nutting (Unionist)
1975-1977: John Freeman (Labour)
1975 (Jan): (Minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply) def - Anthony Nutting (Unionist), James Davidson (Liberal)
1975 (May): (Majority) def - Anthony Nutting (Unionist), James Davidson (Liberal)
1977-1979: Roy Mason (Labour Minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply)
1979-1988: Nicholas Ridley (Unionist)
1979: (Majority) def - Roy Mason (Labour), David Penhaligon (Liberal)
1983: (Majority) def - Eric Heffer (Labour), Dick Taverne/David Penhaligon (Liberal-Democratic Labour Alliance)
1987: (Majority) def - Peter Shore (Labour), Edmund Dell/David Penhaligon (Liberal-Democratic Labour Alliance)
1988-1995: Tom King (Unionist)
1991: (Majority) def - Peter Shore (Labour), David Alton (Democratic Liberal and Labour), Edmund Dell (Continuity Democratic Labour)
1995-2006: Robert Kilroy-Silk (Labour)
1995: (Majority) def - Tom King (Unionist), David Alton (Democratic Liberal), John Tyndall (National Front)
2000: (Majority) def - John Moore (Unionist), Sue Slipman (Democratic Liberal)
2005: (Majority) def - Michael Ancram (Unionist), Sue Slipman (Democratic Liberal)
2006-2010: Alistair Darling (Labour Majority)
2010-2017: Tim Collins (Unionist)
2010: (Coalition with Democratic Liberal) def - Alistair Darling (Labour), David Laws (Democratic Liberal)
2015: (Majority) def - Frank Field (Labour), John Swinney (SNP), David Laws (Democratic Liberal), Stephen Wolfe (National Front)
2017-2017: Caroline Spelman (Unionist Majority)
2017-0000: Caroline Spelman (Unionist)
2017: (Minority with Ulster Vanguard Confidence and Supply) def - George Galloway (Labour), Murdo Fraser (SNP), Nick Harvey (Democratic Liberal), David Burnside (Ulster Vanguard), Fearghal McKinney (Social Democratic-Fianna Fail), Bill Etheridge (National Front), Zac Goldsmith (Green)
(Pretty self-explanatory, it's a darker and edgier rendering of OTL)
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This is the first list to make me recoil in my seat, so well done with that. Robert Kilroy-Shit, eh.
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
Ignoring the very obvious about the ridiculous names for presumably fictional people (though for all I know Bonard left Switzerland), and the wrong spelling of Labour, Attlee in 1925 leading a minority government that lasts six years doesn't really have much sense behind it as he would not have been a viable candidate for the Leadership at this stage of his career, regardless of the scenario, with the Labour-Liberal Coalition bordering on the nonsensical at that stage of the Labour Government (as well as the colour for the Liberals being very hard to read). Additionally, if Churchill forms National, presumably the Conservative Party has been superseded a la the Progressive Conservatives of Canada, making their sudden return at the end come off as, well, off.
"Ulster Vanguard" sounds pretty dystopian. Do they have the same ideology as the DUP or are they even further to the right?
Based on the real Vanguard Progressive Unionist (or Ulster Vanguard Party) they're a much more right-wing DUP variant, to match a much more nationalist Nationalist party.
I mean it's hard to have dystopic LibDems. Wait. The list needs more David Alton.
Well it depends, pre-1975 Constitutional Convention Vanguard is to the right of the DUP, meanwhile the party did moderate afterwards - funnily enough many figures within Vanguard, such as Empey and Trimble, became leading proponents of the GFA in the UUP.
Fleetlord - Through A Glass Darkly (U.S. Version)
Don't know enough BritPol to know how horrified I should be, but this is what I imagine the U.S. equivalent to be (with apologies to @Ulysses Orbis, who had a similar concept but went Full-On Dystopia instead of OTL But Kind Of Shit).
1933-1945: William H. Murray (D-OK)
1945-1953: James Farley (D-NY)
1953-1961: George S. Patton (I/R-CA)
1961-1963: Foster Furcolo (D-MA)
1963-1969: Price Daniel (D-TX)
1969-1973: William E. Jenner (R-IN)
1973-1977: John Jacob Rhodes (R-AZ)
1977-1981: George Wallace (D-AL)
1981-1989: John Wayne (R-CA)
1989-1993: Alexander Haig (R-PA)
1993-2001: Edwin Edwards (D-LA)
2001-2009: Brian F. Haig (R-KY)
2009-2017: Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL)
2017-0000: Rudy Guiliani (R-NY)
InfernoMole - TAGD: Russian Edition
If so, here's TAGD: Russian Edition.
1991-2001: Boris Yeltsin (Independent)
2001-2006: Yegor Gaidar (Union of Right Forces)
2006-2011: Boris Nemtsov (Democratic Alternative)
2011-2015*: Maria Gaidar (Union of Right Forces)
2015-2018*: Alexander Khoroshavin (Unity)
2018-present: Vitaly Milonov (National Party for Faith and Family Values)
* - resigned due to corruption scandals
Kaiser Julius - Prequel to the Federation
Prequel to the Federation
Just the rough early back story to a novel I'm working on set in the Imperial Federation in the 1930's.
Benjamin Disraeli+: 1874-81 (Conservative) [1]
Stafford Northcote+: 1881-1886 (Conservative)
Spencer Cavendish: 1886-1890 (Liberal with Cecil Conservative Support) [2]
Archibald Primrose: 1890-91 (Emergency Government) [3]
Randolph Churchill: 1891-1895 (Democrat) [4]
Joseph Chamberlain: 1895-1906 (Democrat)
[1] Disraeli winning in 1880 due to Gladstone suddenly falling ill from pneumonia this making him unable to run the Midlothian is the POD. Of course Disraeli later dies the following year. Northcote takes over but is involved in a power struggle with Lord Salisbury that dogs his leadership. As a side-note the First Boer War goes on for longer under the Tories with Gen. Gordon eventually winning the war.
[2] Northcote dies in 1886 as OTL...right in the middle of a General Election. The Conservative party ruptures between Salisbury's supporters and those of one Randolph Churchill. Cecil agrees to form a government under the Liberal leader Lord Hartington while Churchill and the supporters of his "Fourth Party" form the reformist Tory Democracy party (later shortened to the Democracy/Democrat Party).
[3] Hartington is already having personal problems due to the death of his brother in Phoenix Park which is only exacerbated by the stress of being Prime Minister. So the Piggot Letters in 1888 push him over the edge and he orders Charles Parnell arrested. His death in prison only worsens the Irish bombing campaign leading to Hartington introducing harsher measures (eventually ruling exclusively through the House of Lords) supported by the reactionary Salisbury. The tipping point comes when he threatens outright war with Portugal over the OTL 1890 British Ultimatum leading to a parliamentary coup by Lord Primrose who declares an emergency government.
[4] Rosebury gains credit for making peace with Portugal with Nyasaland going to Portugal, but a clear border being defined. With the dust settling he then declares a general election in 1891. Churchill's Democrats were the first party to rise from the political ashes and beats the remnants of the Conservative Party with Rosebury becoming the Democrat leader in the Lords. He works out a peace deal for Irish Home Rule leaving Ulster in the UK while the rest was given self-dominion. He also declared war on France (in Sudan) and Russia (in a militarized Afghanistan) after both got involved in Ethiopia against Italy in 1893 and later Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1894. He still died of a brain tumor in 1895 as OTL so Chamberlain takes the credit as the war hero. It is also Chamberlain who re-organises the Empire into the Imperial Federation
Just the rough early back story to a novel I'm working on set in the Imperial Federation in the 1930's.
Benjamin Disraeli+: 1874-81 (Conservative) [1]
Stafford Northcote+: 1881-1886 (Conservative)
Spencer Cavendish: 1886-1890 (Liberal with Cecil Conservative Support) [2]
Archibald Primrose: 1890-91 (Emergency Government) [3]
Randolph Churchill: 1891-1895 (Democrat) [4]
Joseph Chamberlain: 1895-1906 (Democrat)
[1] Disraeli winning in 1880 due to Gladstone suddenly falling ill from pneumonia this making him unable to run the Midlothian is the POD. Of course Disraeli later dies the following year. Northcote takes over but is involved in a power struggle with Lord Salisbury that dogs his leadership. As a side-note the First Boer War goes on for longer under the Tories with Gen. Gordon eventually winning the war.
[2] Northcote dies in 1886 as OTL...right in the middle of a General Election. The Conservative party ruptures between Salisbury's supporters and those of one Randolph Churchill. Cecil agrees to form a government under the Liberal leader Lord Hartington while Churchill and the supporters of his "Fourth Party" form the reformist Tory Democracy party (later shortened to the Democracy/Democrat Party).
[3] Hartington is already having personal problems due to the death of his brother in Phoenix Park which is only exacerbated by the stress of being Prime Minister. So the Piggot Letters in 1888 push him over the edge and he orders Charles Parnell arrested. His death in prison only worsens the Irish bombing campaign leading to Hartington introducing harsher measures (eventually ruling exclusively through the House of Lords) supported by the reactionary Salisbury. The tipping point comes when he threatens outright war with Portugal over the OTL 1890 British Ultimatum leading to a parliamentary coup by Lord Primrose who declares an emergency government.
[4] Rosebury gains credit for making peace with Portugal with Nyasaland going to Portugal, but a clear border being defined. With the dust settling he then declares a general election in 1891. Churchill's Democrats were the first party to rise from the political ashes and beats the remnants of the Conservative Party with Rosebury becoming the Democrat leader in the Lords. He works out a peace deal for Irish Home Rule leaving Ulster in the UK while the rest was given self-dominion. He also declared war on France (in Sudan) and Russia (in a militarized Afghanistan) after both got involved in Ethiopia against Italy in 1893 and later Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1894. He still died of a brain tumor in 1895 as OTL so Chamberlain takes the credit as the war hero. It is also Chamberlain who re-organises the Empire into the Imperial Federation
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It's not too horrifying a world, it could certainly be much worse - I could have had Enoch Powell rather than Nicholas Ridley for example, or Katie Hopkins/Nadine Dorries as Theresa May. That said, well, I wouldn't want to live ITTL...
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