List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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NapoleonCorinII - McKinley annexed Cuba and Haiti
TL-McKinley annexed Cuba and Haiti and an alternate morrocan crisis, leading to an alternate WW1 and no WW2 but instead multiple wars between major powers.
(1887-1901) McKinley-republican-OH
Theodore Roosevelt-NY
(1901-1909)Roosevelt-republican-NY
Vacant/Charles W. Fairbanks-IN
(1909-1913)William Howard Taft-OH
Charles W. Fairbanks-IN
(1913-1917)Theodore Roosevelt-NY
Charles E. Hughes-NY
(1917-1921)Charles E Hughes-NY
John Burke-ND
(1921-1929)Calvin Coolige-nationalist-MA
Warren Harding-OH
(1929-1937) Al smith-Progressive-NY
Upton Sinclair-MD
(1937-1941)Robert a Taft-nationalist-OH
Herbert hoover-CA
(1941-1949)Harry Truman-progressive-MO
Alben W. Barkley-KY
(1949-1953) Thomas Dewey-unionist-NY
Douglass Macarthur-AR
(1953-1961)Adlai Stevenson- progressive-IL
HUbert Humphery-MN
(1961-1965)Barry Goldwater-Nationalist-AZ
Nelson Rockefeller-NY
(1965-1973)Jimmy Carter-unionist-GA
Geraldine Ferrearoe-NY
(1973-1981)Walter Mondale-Unionist- MN
Gerald Ford-MI
(1981-1989)Ronald Reagan-Grand Nationalist-CA
George H.W. Bush Sr.-TX
(1989-1993)Robert Kennedy- New progressive-MA
Edmund Muskie-ME
(1993-2001)Ross Perot-Reform-TX
George H.W. Bush Sr.-TX
(2001-2009)John Ewards- New progressive-MT
Robert Rubin-NY
(2009-2017)Mitt Romney-Reform-MA
John McCain-NM
(2017- )Ted Cruz- Reform-TX
Paul Ryan-WI
 
Yes - The Ides of August
The Ides of August

Gov. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)*/Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 1968-1972
1968 def. Vice President Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)/Sen. Fred Harris (D-OK), Gov. George Wallace (R-AL)/Gen. Curtis E. Lemay (R-CA)

Pres. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Sen. Robert Dole (R-KS) 1972-1977
1972 def. Sen. George McGovern (D-SD)/Fmr. Mayor John Lindsay (D-NY)

Gov. Reubin Askew (D-FL)/Sen. Birch Bayh (D-IN) 1977-1985
1976 def. Pres. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Vice Pres. Robert Dole (R-KS)
1980 def. Sen. John Connally (R-TX)/Gov. William Milliken (R-MI)

Sen. James L. Buckley (R-NY)/Gov. William P. Clements (R-TX)
1985-93
1984 def. Sen. Gary Hart (D-CO)/Gov. Richard "Dick" Celeste (D-OH)
1988 def. Gov. Tom Bradley (D-CA)/Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)

Sen. Walter Mondale (D-MN)/Gov. James "Jim" Hunt (D-NC) 1993-2001
1992 def. Fmr. VP/Sen. Robert Dole (R-KS)/Gov. Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL)
1996 def. Gov. Jack Kemp (R-NY)/Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO)

Gov. Neil Bush (R-TX)/Fmr. Gov. Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL) 2001-2005
2000 def. Fmr. Gov. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-NE)

Sen. Al Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Gov. John Kitzhaber (D-OR) 2005-2013
2004 def. Pres. Neil Bush (R-TX)/Vice Pres. Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL)
2008 def. Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC)/Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ)

William O'Reilly (R-NJ)/Gov. John Engler (R-MI) 2013-17
2012 def. Vice Pres. John Kitzhaber (D-OR)/Gov. Cory Booker (D-NJ)


Gov. Zephyr Teachout (D-NY)/Sen. James "Jim" Webb (D-VA)
2016 def. Pres. William O'Reilly (R-NJ)/Vice Pres. John Engler (R-MI)


I may try to come up with footnotes when I can. The short-version POD is Rocky and Ron somehow manage a deal-with-the-devil ambush of Nixon at the '68 convention, contingent on giving Reagan at-that-point unprecedented vice presidential powers on behalf of Thurmond's Southern bloc. There's tension over that through Rocky's administration until he is felled by the bullets of Arthur Bremer on the '72 campaign trail and Reagan takes office in his own right with all the powers of righteous indignation behind him.

Also O'Reilly's wafer-thin EC victory and loss of the popular vote (after a campaign targeted, like the famous Karl Rove-led assault on the records of Clinton and Kerrey, against indiscretions and irregularities in Vice President Kitzhaber's life) put him on brittle ground; the economic crash during his term opened the door to the Democrats' populist wing.

ETA: Among other things ITTL, US Ambassador to India Daniel Patrick Moynihan's plan crashed over Kashmir on a diplomatic jaunt to Islamabad, so Buckley ran against Bella Abzug as expected, and then in '82 also squeaked through in a vote against the stagflated economy and lame-duck Askew, thereby making him (Jim Buckley), together with Goldwater and former president Reagan, one of the three elder statesmen of the New Right.

And Fritz (hey, he's a fjord, not a Lincoln) finally got to debate somebody he could put away :)
 
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But why would Wilson stepping down lead to a lifestyle change that would lead to him living over a year and a half longer? Even if yes, we acknowledge that the butterflies resulting would lead him to live a longer or shorter period of time, without the specific details into what effect the PoD had on Crosland to let him live not only a few months longer but years jumps out like red on white.

Wilson retiring in '71 may have given Crosland a spur to become PM in the future and that may have led him to change his lifestyle :-D
 
Chewing on the idea that Ross Perot was in many way a predecessor of Donald Trump got me thinking about this small analogue list of the previous 24 years of presidential politics itself getting shifted back 24 years.

Presidents of the United States
1969-1977: John J. McKeithen /Al Gore, Sr. (Democratic) [1]
1977-1985: Robert Taft, Jr. / Robert McNamara (Republican) [2]
1985-1993: Mickey Leland / Claiborne Pell (Democratic) [3]
1993-1997: Ross Perot / Tommy Thompson (Republican) [4]


[1]- As a young southern governor whose unlikely, but successful, presidential bid was joined by a member of the Gore family.
[2]- As the relative of a former president and the controversial former Secretary of Defense who became his vice president
[3]- As a charismatic black member of Congress who is joined by an older legislative colleague with foreign policy credentials.
[4]- As the eccentric, populist billionaire who runs with a relatively conventional Midwestern governor.

Definitely up to your high standard. Nice to see the Mickey Leland shout-out too, though I shudder at Taft dealing with the late Seventies.

ETA: But then who comes next? Who's the firebrand new-New Dealer with a potentially well-placed Latino running mate who comes along to unseat the cantankerous roller-coaster of a Perot administration? Play that well and you get all the goods from the AH.com cookie jar.
 
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spookyscaryskeletons - That's show-business!
That's show-business!
1969-1973: John Wayne / Jim Rhodes (Republican)

1968: Robert F. Kennedy / Harold Hughes (Democratic), George C. Wallace / John Crommelin (American Independent)

Governor turned President Wayne would prove to be very controversial indeed. His program of 'New Federalism' would initiate a transfer in economic power from the federal government to the states. His stances against busing and affirmative action would win him plaudits from southern Democrats, many of whom would cross over to the GOP during Wayne's time in office. His own thoughts on race would haunt him throughout his term. However, his cabinet were the real power behind the throne, outmaneuvering congress to pass tax cuts. Wayne's surge in Vietnam failed to produce results, and another bombing run ended up going awry when a plane was shot down and the pilots kidnapped. Wayne would lose re-election by a close margin in 1972, his health already failing him. The 1972 election would be divisive, with the October Surprise of Wallace's brother's tax problems helping Wayne in the south, but not enough to overcome anti-Vietnam anger elsewhere.

1973-1981: Gregory L. Peck / Kevin White (Democratic)
1972: John Wayne / Jim Rhodes (Republican), George C. Wallace / Paul Harvey (American Independent)
1976: James Buckley / George H. W. Bush (Republican)


Peck, Wayne's successor as Governor, would also be his successor as president, having been nominated at the convention following deadlock between Muskie, Humphrey, Jackson, and McGovern. His victory in the general was held in question for a month, until a recount in Pennsylvania showed him to be the winner by just 231 votes. Peck would go about with withdrawal from the Vietnamese quagmire, introducing price controls to deal with the 'Wayne shock', spearheading an ill-fated healthcare initiative, and bringing the US into war with Iraq after a so-called 'unlawful' attack on Iran, something that would anger Peck's New Left constituency. The Gulf War was competently handled, but would still draw criticism from Republicans and Scoop Jackson. A slowing economy in time for the 1980 election allowed for the victory of a conservative icon.

1981-1985: Ronald W. Reagan / Spiro T. Agnew (Republican)
1980: Dale Bumpers / Paul Newman (Democratic)

Congressman Reagan would snatch the nomination from establishment favourite George Bush, who was still tarred by his failure to help Jim Buckley take the White House in 1976. He pulled off a landslide victory against Senator Bumpers, whose radical running mate would be mooted for future office. During his time in office, the Federal Government would see a disastrous attempt to privatize federal land and to initiate mass cuts to housing projects. 1984 would see the unpopular Reagan defeated, with the comfort that he had at least tried to implement his agenda.

1985-1989: Harry Belafonte / Charlton Heston (Democratic)
1984: Ronald W. Reagan / Spiro T. Agnew (Republican)

For many Americans, election night 1984 was a triumph. For certain others, it was a moment of despair. Nonetheless, America would get its first black president as Governor Belafonte would take advantage of the tatters of Reagan's presidency to propel him to victory. Those who thought that he would be doomed to defeat and that Senator Redford would be guaranteed victory looked very silly indeed. A new 'War on Poverty' would be launched, with Reagan's 'Free Enterprise Zones' phased out as Sanctuary Cities came into effect. Wayne's drug war would finally be wound down, though conflicts with VP Heston would hurt the messaging. Unfortunately for Belafonte, his proposed reforms to police institutions would never come to fruition as the housing crash hit in 1987, setting off a chain of events that leads to a Republican triumph in 1988, congress and all. Belafonte wasn't incredibly happy with his successor despite his civil rights work, but he had to grin and bear it.

1989-1997: Robert K. Dornan / Frederick L. Grandy (Republican)
1988: Harry Belafonte / Charlton Heston (Democratic)
1992: James S. Bumgarner / Ramón A. G. Estévez (Democratic), Clint Eastwood / Bernadine Healey (Reform)


Elected by a decent margin against the disappointment of the Belafonte administration, B-1 Bob would set about enacting one of the most radical agendas of any president. Taxes for the upper class were slashed, while labour regulation was largely undone. Dornan would trial a voucher program for Medicaid and rapidly expand charter school access. His intervention into the Israeli-Lebanon war of 1992 would lead to the second Gulf war as Iraq saw the opportunity to strike at Saudi Arabia. The brief rally around the flag effect would be enough to boost Dornan past the finish line against his two fellow Californians. Iran would see radical clerics gain more influence in government even though elections produced healthy majorities for the 'moderate' parties. Dornan would leave the third rail of Social Security untouched while also taking an axe to Belafonte's welfare programs, implementing radical workfare reforms with very few waivers. Due to congressional infighting, Dornan would leave office less than popular, but with a severe mark left upon the nation's political conversation.

1997-2001: Freddie D. Thompson / Timothy Allen (Republican)
1996: Alan Alda / Cherilyn Sarkisian (Democratic), Clint Eastwood / Cybill Shepherd (Reform)

Thompson would continue Dornan's crime crackdown, as well as a ramp up in defence spending as insurgencies began in Iraq. He would also garner goodwill from all sides of the political spectrum by signing comprehensive immigration reform, which would lead to a new era of good feelings between the US and Mexico. Campaign Finance regulations would also be put in place in an attempt to stem big money. Under Thompson, the US would enter a series of trade agreements with the European Coalition, and controversially, China. Thompson would lose re-election as the Reform party would hit a fever pitch and incumbency fatigue set in. By 2001, many were joking that the White House had a California-shaped magnet.

2001-2009: H. Warren Beatty / Alan S. Franken (Democratic)
2000: Freddie D. Thompson / Frederick L. Grandy (Republican), Cybill Shepherd / Jesse Ventura (Reform)
2004: Alan K. Grammar / Michael Stallone (Republican), Aaron Russo / John Rich (Reform)


Governor Beatty's term would be dominated by attempts to undo the Dornanite consensus, with varying degrees of success. Beatty would oversee the collapse of the Soviet Union and the ensuing civil war which would result in the rise of the Ultra-nationalist Party for a Renewal, with the president criticised for not taking action. At home, welfare programs would be brought back with teeth, and gun control legislation would finally come to fruition. Louisiana would become the last state in the Union to ban the death penalty as a 5-4 decision from the Supreme Court (turns out one of Dornan's appointees weren't so hard-right after all), inciting anger at the activist court. Beatty was able to roll back the Dornan tax cuts and instead put through a stimulus program, with a couple million left over to prevent foreclosure (he wasn't willing to repeat Belafonte's mistakes). Beatty would win a comfortable re-election in 2004, confident in his executive ability. The next four years would be quiet on the home front as Russia marched towards the Caucus states in earnest. The 2008 election would be extremely close, mirroring 1972. The Republican candidate's slightly embarrassing background stopped him from being taken seriously by the commentators, but he was able to overcome doubts and niggles by taking strong stances on crime and the situation in Russia. Beatty's goofy Vice President came up short, losing the crucial swing state of Ohio by a sub 500 vote margin.

All Beatty could say was "I wish the best of luck to President Bollea."
 
All the way with Fox Mc-K!

If only there were some work with ol' Fox whose readers are awaiting an update on. *hint* *hint*

Definitely up to your high standard. Nice to see the Mickey Leland shout-out too, though I shudder at Taft dealing with the late Seventies.

I don't know if I could be considered to set a high standard when it comes to lists, considering I've done my share of lazy, unoriginal lists. But thank you.

Taft would be fine. It's not like the guy he's the analogue for presided over an economic coll-oh.

ETA: But then who comes next? Who's the firebrand new-New Dealer with a potentially well-placed Latino running mate who comes along to unseat the cantankerous roller-coaster of a Perot administration? Play that well and you get all the goods from the AH.com cookie jar.

I think I have just the guy AH.com would like to succeed Perot in mind.
 
*Coleman*

>Wellstone runs in 1996.
>Coleman realizes he can win the special election to succeed Wellstone as a Democrat.
>Doesn't switch parties.
>Wellstone vacates seat and Coleman wins special election to succeed him.
>Minnesota represented forever by a shady neoliberal asshole while Paul Wellstone leads us into social democracy


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>Wellstone runs in 1996.
>Coleman realizes he can win the special election to succeed Wellstone as a Democrat.
>Doesn't switch parties.
>Wellstone vacates seat and Coleman wins special election to succeed him.
>Minnesota represented forever by a shady neoliberal asshole while Paul Wellstone leads us into social democracy


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That was an entire TL right there. In green. With Larry David. There should be some kind of recognition of this. I don't know what kind of recognition. But something. As long as we get the "Paul Wellstone leads us into social democracy" part. That part would be good.
 
>Wellstone runs in 1996.
>Coleman realizes he can win the special election to succeed Wellstone as a Democrat.
>Doesn't switch parties.
>Wellstone vacates seat and Coleman wins special election to succeed him.
>Minnesota represented forever by a shady neoliberal asshole while Paul Wellstone leads us into social democracy


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Thanks for the NSS idea; would you like Republican Jesse Ventura and Democratic Michelle Bachmann with that? :p

That's also the second time I've seen that gif in two days. Of all gifs. :p
 
Mumby - Chairmen of the Union of Britain
Chairmen of the Union of Britain

1925-1927: Walter Citrine (Trade Union Congress)
1927-1936: Philip Snowden (Federationist)
1927 (Majority, endorsed by other factions of TUC) def. Kate Sharp (Anarchist), various (Provisional Government Coupon)
1936-????: Oswald Mosley (Federationist)
1936 (Majority, endorsed by other factions of TUC) def. Alfred Murphy (Provisional Government Coupon --- Progressive)
 
I like how apparently the Anarchists are more organised than the Provisional Government wotsit.

My idea is that this is the first 'election' held after the revolution, so the militia groups who won the civil war hold a lot of power, and there is quite a bit of revolutionary terror going on.
 
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