Gotta love this, it's like American politics staying sane. In fact, it looks so normal that it appears to be outright bizarre from today's "40 years of monetarism/culture wars/Iraq war/Tea Party/Trump" point of view.
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Gotta love this, it's like American politics staying sane. In fact, it looks so normal that it appears to be outright bizarre from today's "40 years of monetarism/culture wars/Iraq war/Tea Party/Trump" point of view.
Augenis - Crossroads of Destiny
I think this fits here.
Crossroads of Destiny
No, there were indeed elections and opposition before 1888, I just literally ran out of obscure people to dig up for this list (I was building this from down and towards the POD, you see)
(Also, this isn't an actual TL I thought of. This is actually just a convertion of the history of a PI election game, titled Crossroads of Destiny, into an OTL president list. But you can still enjoy it as a president list.)
1861-1862: Abraham Lincoln*/Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1862-1865: Hannibal Hamlin/Henry L. Dawes (Republican)
1865-1869: Hannibal Hamlin/Edward Everett (Republican/Constitutional Union)
1869-1877: Henry L. Dawes/Salmon P. Chase (National Union)
1877-1878: Joseph E. Johnston+/Clement Vallandigham (Democratic)
1878-1881: Clement Vallandigham/George S. Boutwell (Liberal Freedom/Populist)
1881-1885: John B. Page/Jerome Napoleon Bonaparte (National Union)
1885-1889: Isaac P. Gray/James A. Weston (Conservative)
1889-1890: Isaac P. Gray+/Ulysses S. Grant (Conservative)
1888 def.: Nelson A. Miles/John Sherman (Democratic-Republican)
1890-1893: Ulysses S. Grant/William E. Cameron (Conservative)
1893: Ulysses S. Grant*/J. P. Morgan (Democratic)
1892 def.: John L. Beveridge/Stephen W. Dorsey (Progressive), Alexander Stephens/Thomas Edison (Conservative), Oliver Ames/John Sherman (Republican)
1893-1901: Nelson A. Miles/John Sherman (Progressive/Republican)
1896 tickets: Nelson A. Miles/John L. Beveridge (Progressive), John Sherman/Thomas Edison (Republican), David M. Clough/Oliver Hudson Kelley (Conservative), William J. Northen/David Gardiner Tyler (Southern), Peter J. McGuire/Kurt Eisner (Labor)
1901-1903: Jerome Napoleon Bonaparte II+/John Sherman (Republican)
1900 def.: Oliver Hudson Kelley/Eugene Hale (Conservative), John L. Beveridge/Adlai Stevenson (Progressive), Kurt Eisner/Peter J. McGuire (Labor)
1903-1905: John Sherman/Thomas Edison (Republican)
1905-1909: Oliver Hudson Kelley/Miles B. McSweeney (Conservative)
1904 def.: John Sherman/Thomas Edison (Republican), Theodore Roosevelt/James Wilson (Progressive), Robert Van Wyck/Caroline Scott Harrison (Independent), Peter J. McGuire/Kurt Eisner (Labor)
1909-1917: John D. Rockefeller/Joseph B. Foraker (Conservative)
1908 def.: Charles Joseph Bonaparte/Henry Ford (Republican), Theodore Roosevelt/William Jennings Bryan (Progressive), Robert Van Wyck/John A. Johnson (Liberal), Eugene V. Debs/Peter J. McGuire (United Left)
1912 def.: Henry Ford/Charles Evans Hughes (Republican), Theodore Roosevelt/Eugene V. Debs (Progressive), Nelson A. Miles/Albert B. Cummins (Independent)
1917-1921: Henry Ford+/James Weldon Johnson (Republican)
1916 def.: Richard J. Reynolds Jr./Joseph B. Foraker (Conservative), Robert M. La Follette Sr./James Wilson (Progressive), Eugene V. Debs/Peter J. McGuire (United Left)
1920 def.: Woodrow Wilson/William Stephens (Conservative), Robert M. La Follette Sr./Henry Cabot Lodge (Progressive), Charles Schenck/Hiram Johnson (Nationalist), Victor L. Berger/Eugene V. Debs (United Left)
1921-: James Weldon Johnson/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (Progressive-Republican)
1924 def.: John M. Slaton/Carl Milliken (Conservative), William Joseph Simmons/Woodrow Wilson (Ku Klux Klan), Charles Schenck/Hiram Johnson (Nationalist), Robert Van Wyck/Calvin Coolidge (United All-American), Rosa Luxemburg/Victor L. Berger (Social Democratic), Henry Cabot Lodge/Norman Thomas (People's)
+ - president died in office from natural causes
* - president assassinated in office
Some highlights of the period:
Crossroads of Destiny
No, there were indeed elections and opposition before 1888, I just literally ran out of obscure people to dig up for this list (I was building this from down and towards the POD, you see)
(Also, this isn't an actual TL I thought of. This is actually just a convertion of the history of a PI election game, titled Crossroads of Destiny, into an OTL president list. But you can still enjoy it as a president list.)
1861-1862: Abraham Lincoln*/Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1862-1865: Hannibal Hamlin/Henry L. Dawes (Republican)
1865-1869: Hannibal Hamlin/Edward Everett (Republican/Constitutional Union)
1869-1877: Henry L. Dawes/Salmon P. Chase (National Union)
1877-1878: Joseph E. Johnston+/Clement Vallandigham (Democratic)
1878-1881: Clement Vallandigham/George S. Boutwell (Liberal Freedom/Populist)
1881-1885: John B. Page/Jerome Napoleon Bonaparte (National Union)
1885-1889: Isaac P. Gray/James A. Weston (Conservative)
1889-1890: Isaac P. Gray+/Ulysses S. Grant (Conservative)
1888 def.: Nelson A. Miles/John Sherman (Democratic-Republican)
1890-1893: Ulysses S. Grant/William E. Cameron (Conservative)
1893: Ulysses S. Grant*/J. P. Morgan (Democratic)
1892 def.: John L. Beveridge/Stephen W. Dorsey (Progressive), Alexander Stephens/Thomas Edison (Conservative), Oliver Ames/John Sherman (Republican)
1893-1901: Nelson A. Miles/John Sherman (Progressive/Republican)
1896 tickets: Nelson A. Miles/John L. Beveridge (Progressive), John Sherman/Thomas Edison (Republican), David M. Clough/Oliver Hudson Kelley (Conservative), William J. Northen/David Gardiner Tyler (Southern), Peter J. McGuire/Kurt Eisner (Labor)
1901-1903: Jerome Napoleon Bonaparte II+/John Sherman (Republican)
1900 def.: Oliver Hudson Kelley/Eugene Hale (Conservative), John L. Beveridge/Adlai Stevenson (Progressive), Kurt Eisner/Peter J. McGuire (Labor)
1903-1905: John Sherman/Thomas Edison (Republican)
1905-1909: Oliver Hudson Kelley/Miles B. McSweeney (Conservative)
1904 def.: John Sherman/Thomas Edison (Republican), Theodore Roosevelt/James Wilson (Progressive), Robert Van Wyck/Caroline Scott Harrison (Independent), Peter J. McGuire/Kurt Eisner (Labor)
1909-1917: John D. Rockefeller/Joseph B. Foraker (Conservative)
1908 def.: Charles Joseph Bonaparte/Henry Ford (Republican), Theodore Roosevelt/William Jennings Bryan (Progressive), Robert Van Wyck/John A. Johnson (Liberal), Eugene V. Debs/Peter J. McGuire (United Left)
1912 def.: Henry Ford/Charles Evans Hughes (Republican), Theodore Roosevelt/Eugene V. Debs (Progressive), Nelson A. Miles/Albert B. Cummins (Independent)
1917-1921: Henry Ford+/James Weldon Johnson (Republican)
1916 def.: Richard J. Reynolds Jr./Joseph B. Foraker (Conservative), Robert M. La Follette Sr./James Wilson (Progressive), Eugene V. Debs/Peter J. McGuire (United Left)
1920 def.: Woodrow Wilson/William Stephens (Conservative), Robert M. La Follette Sr./Henry Cabot Lodge (Progressive), Charles Schenck/Hiram Johnson (Nationalist), Victor L. Berger/Eugene V. Debs (United Left)
1921-: James Weldon Johnson/Robert M. La Follette Sr. (Progressive-Republican)
1924 def.: John M. Slaton/Carl Milliken (Conservative), William Joseph Simmons/Woodrow Wilson (Ku Klux Klan), Charles Schenck/Hiram Johnson (Nationalist), Robert Van Wyck/Calvin Coolidge (United All-American), Rosa Luxemburg/Victor L. Berger (Social Democratic), Henry Cabot Lodge/Norman Thomas (People's)
+ - president died in office from natural causes
* - president assassinated in office
Some highlights of the period:
- The Civil War continues until 1867.
- President Dawes leads a successful Reconstruction.
- President Johnston's short reign coincided with the beginning of the worst recession in American history. He is not viewed lightly.
- President Vallandigham becomes an opium addict after the pressure of dealing with the economic crash.
- All elections from 1896 to 1904 go to Congress.
- The Great War goes on from 1904 to 1911, and the US joins in 1907, after a skirmish between the German and American navies.
- The US joins the "Council of Nations", and thanks to the efforts of President Ford, basically becomes the leader of the free world 20 years earlier.
- After President Ford's death to a stroke, James W. Johnson becomes the first African-American president in history. This doesn't make the KKK happy and they attempt to burn the White House down as a result. It fails.
I'm glad you like it! I've always had an interest in George Romney and his run, and in the general idea of that president list, Nixon wins the 1962 gubernatorial election in California, serves two terms, ends up as Romney's Secretary of State (he always preferred foreign affairs to domestic policy) until 1977, then serves as UN ambassador under Mathias, and then as an elder statesman for the GOP and senior advisor to Brooke until his death in '93.
I'm more surprised no one's mentioned anything about the VP candidates in '64 and '76 (for both parties in '64, and the GOP in '76).
Hills is really underused, she would be interesting to have as Ford's veep in IOTL 1976.
Mumby - Twenty-Two Years In The Making or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Lexit
Twenty-Two Years In The Making or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Lexit
2010-2016: David Cameron (Conservative)
2010 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def. Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat), Peter Robinson (Democratic Unionist)
2015 (Majority) def. Ed Miliband (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat), Peter Robinson (Democratic Unionist)
2016-2017: Theresa May (Conservative)
2017 (Minority, with some support from DUP) def. Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat), Arlene Foster (Democratic Unionist)
2017-2017: Michael Heseltine, Baron Heseltine (Conservative minority, with some support from Liberal Democrats)
2017-2022: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
2017 (Majority) def. Michael Heseltine, Baron Heseltine (Official 'Soft Brexit' Conservative --- Soft Brexit Alliance), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Michael Gove ('Hard Brexit' Conservative --- Hard Brexit Alliance), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrat --- Soft Brexit Alliance), Arlene Foster (Democratic Unionist --- Hard Brexit Alliance)
Faintly inspired by a headline I saw where Michael Heseltine was saying 'We don't need a messy leadership election, we need a coronation'. So what happens is, Heseltine ends up wearing the crown, becoming the first Prime Minister in the Lords for, um, a bloody long time. He moulds a Cabinet composed of more Remain aligned figures and ditches the DUP for the Lib Dems, and tries for a softer Brexit than the one anticipated. The hardline Leavers in his backbenches rebel and Michael Gove leads a 'Hard Brexit' group into an alliance with the DUP (they still want a softer deal than the one Theresa May stood on earlier in the year). Heseltine loses a vote of confidence and a general election is called. With the Tories split, the Lib Dems compromised and the SNP in the midst of a leadership battle, the result is a comfortable Labour majority, due to their alternative vision of Brexit firmly planted on the left. There are little more than a dozen 'Goveist' MPs and the Lib Dems managed to just stand still in seat count.
2010-2016: David Cameron (Conservative)
2010 (Coalition with Liberal Democrats) def. Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat), Peter Robinson (Democratic Unionist)
2015 (Majority) def. Ed Miliband (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat), Peter Robinson (Democratic Unionist)
2016-2017: Theresa May (Conservative)
2017 (Minority, with some support from DUP) def. Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat), Arlene Foster (Democratic Unionist)
2017-2017: Michael Heseltine, Baron Heseltine (Conservative minority, with some support from Liberal Democrats)
2017-2022: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
2017 (Majority) def. Michael Heseltine, Baron Heseltine (Official 'Soft Brexit' Conservative --- Soft Brexit Alliance), Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National), Michael Gove ('Hard Brexit' Conservative --- Hard Brexit Alliance), Vince Cable (Liberal Democrat --- Soft Brexit Alliance), Arlene Foster (Democratic Unionist --- Hard Brexit Alliance)
Faintly inspired by a headline I saw where Michael Heseltine was saying 'We don't need a messy leadership election, we need a coronation'. So what happens is, Heseltine ends up wearing the crown, becoming the first Prime Minister in the Lords for, um, a bloody long time. He moulds a Cabinet composed of more Remain aligned figures and ditches the DUP for the Lib Dems, and tries for a softer Brexit than the one anticipated. The hardline Leavers in his backbenches rebel and Michael Gove leads a 'Hard Brexit' group into an alliance with the DUP (they still want a softer deal than the one Theresa May stood on earlier in the year). Heseltine loses a vote of confidence and a general election is called. With the Tories split, the Lib Dems compromised and the SNP in the midst of a leadership battle, the result is a comfortable Labour majority, due to their alternative vision of Brexit firmly planted on the left. There are little more than a dozen 'Goveist' MPs and the Lib Dems managed to just stand still in seat count.
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Exitstencil - Nixon Goes Under
Nixon Goes Under
1969-1973: Hubert Humphrey / Ed Muskie (Democratic)
def. 1968
Richard Nixon / Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1973-1981: Mike Gravel / Fred Harris (Democratic)
def. 1972
John Ashbrook / Frank Carlson (Republican)
def. 1976
Charles Percy / Daniel Evans (Republican)
James Buckley / Louis Frey (Conservative)
1981-1985: Fred Harris / William Proxmire (Democratic)
def. 1980
George Bush / H. John Heinz (Conservative)
James Edwards / Stewart McKinney (Republican)
1985-???: George Bush / Mark Andrews (Conservative)
def. 1984
Fred Harris / William Proxmire (Democratic)
In 1968, LBJ releases information implicating Richard Nixon in stalling Vietnam Peace Talks through surrogate Anna Chennault. Although not entirely believed at the time, it's enough to push HHH over the edge in a nailbiter against Nixon. Despite HHH's general unpopularity, new information coming out from the Chennault scandal tanks the GOP nationally. America withdraws from Vietnam in '71, but HHH is still successfully primaried by Mike Gravel. Gravel capitalizes off a weakened opposition for his entire Presidency, and despite a large recession in the late 70's, manages to successfully push his VP Fred Harris to the White House in 1980. By this point, numerous high-profile Republican politicians have joined the new Conservative Party, and in 1980 they pull ahead of the GOP as the main opposition party.
Finally, in 1984, they break two decades of Democratic dominance.
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I think my issue with this list is Bush as this conservative stalwart leader. The guy hardly that and was always uncomfortable in the role when he played as one.
The Conservative Party, despite the "Conservative" in the name and being the offspring of James Buckley isn't really all that right-wing. It's primarily just a rebranding of the Republican Party, as that name is now akin to political poison.
"I beg your pardon?"
I do actually know who Cornell West is
Its just a boring joke when someone has a name ending in a direction The Tories capture Oliver North etc
Ulysses Orbis - Dugout Doug and Tailgunner Joe in ‘52
Dugout Doug and Tailgunner Joe in ‘52
Douglas MacArthur/Joseph McCarthy (Republican:1953-1961)[1]
Eugene McCarthy/George Smathers (Democratic:1961-1963)[2]
George Smathers/John F. Kennedy (Democratic:1963-1969)[3]
Joseph McCarthy/William Jenner (Republican:1969-1977)[4]
Lester Maddox/Sam Yorty (Democratic:1977-1981)[5]
David Schine/Gordon Liddy (Republican:1981-1989)[6]
Gordon Liddy/Bob Dornan (Republican:1989-1993)[7]
Ramsey Clark/James Traficant (Democratic:1993-2001)[8]
Donald Trump/Roy Cohn (Republican:2001-2009)[9]
Jesse Jackson Jr./Debbie Wasserman (Democratic:2009-2014)[10]
Debbie Wasserman/Vacant (Democratic:2014-2017)[11]
Roger Stone/Michael Flynn (Republican:2017-present)[12]
[1] General MacArthur became the Republican nominee for President after Dwight Eisenhower declined to run. MacArthur chose young anti-communist firebrand Senator Joe McCarthy as his running mate. MacArthur accused the Truman administration of being infiltrated by Communists who had the General dismissed to prevent American victory in Korea. MacArthur promised to win the Korean War and launch aggressive attacks on Communism. MacArthur subsequently invaded mainland China and dropped dozens of nuclear bombs on Communist controlled cities including Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing, Tianjin, and Wuhan, killing millions of people. While the Communist government was destroyed, the American military occupiers and the Guomindang were subsequently bogged down in a guerrilla war against hardliner Maoist rebels. The war became unpopular domestically and internationally, weakening America’s diplomatic position. Domestically, MacArthur used claims of Communist infiltration and wartime preparedness to suppress dissent and anti-war sentiment, establishing an authoritarian police state. The Depression of 1957, however, damaged MacArthur’s popularity.
[2] By 1960, MacArthur’s administration had become deeply unpopular due to a high-casualty war and an ongoing Depression. Thus anti-war “Beatnik” candidate Eugene McCarthy was able to defeat Vice President McCarthy in a landslide. McCarthy withdrew troops from China and pursued detente with the Soviet Union. However, McCarthy’s liberal agenda was stalled by recalcitrant conservatives in Congress, with whom McCarthy was uninterested in pursuing good relations. The “Pink Wave” of revolutions in Latin America and the Caribbean overthrew American backed dictatorships and installed socialist governments. McCarthy initially encouraged the revolutionaries, to the chagrin of the Armed Forces and intelligence agencies. McCarthy became increasingly isolated within his own government due to his liberal stances. McCarthy was assassinated in Texas by an alleged Cuban assassin. Documents declassified in the 1990s suggested that McCarthy’s killing was ordered by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, whom McCarthy had repeatedly threatened to fire.
[3] Smathers, a moderate Florida Democrat, largely derailed his predecessor’s agenda. Smathers vetoed Civil Rights legislation with the exception of a toothless Voting Rights Act. Smathers instituted a milder version of McCarthy’s health care reforms which ultimately collapsed due to bureaucratic missteps and Republican opposition. In response to the Bay of Pigs incident, Smathers launched multiple invasions to overthrow the socialist governments of Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Venezuela. Smathers further sent U.S armed forces to suppress leftist forces in Colombia, Guatemala, Panama, and Nicaragua. Smathers further escalated American involvement in Vietnam and Indonesia. The wars resulted in enormous domestic instability. The Civil Rights Movement fully radicalized into a more militant movement which sought to violently overthrow segregation. The anti-war and left-wing movements were also radicalized, leading to riots, violence, crime, and domestic terrorism. Smathers sought to appease the more left-wing elements of his party through liberal economic legislation, but the infighting ultimately derailed his 1968 reelection campaign.
[4] Former Vice President McCarthy was elected as the result of a conservative backlash against the liberalism of the 1960s. McCarthy used multiple nuclear weapons against the North Vietnamese, winning the Vietnam War. Latin America was also pacified with the exception of Colombia. McCarthy also violently suppressed domestic dissent, using broad emergency powers to kill or intern radicals and political opponents en masse. This Dirty War especially targeted members of McCarthy’s “Enemies List.” In response to urban decay, McCarthy sent the National Guard to police America’s inner cities. While McCarthy passed some civil rights reforms, his “law and order” policies were largely directed towards African-Americans and Latinos, who had been radicalized by American intervention in Central and South America. Furthermore, McCarthy’s economic agenda was fully conservative and business-orientated. The international oil embargo against the United States, however, resulted in economic stagnation and international isolation. After the Democratic wave of 1974, Congress attempted to impeach McCarthy for the alleged bombing of Democratic Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel. The impeachment having failed, McCarthy expanded the Dirty War to include the press, which he claimed jeopardized national security by leaking state secrets.
[5] Georgia Governor Lester Maddox was elected on an angry populist platform. Maddox denounced the big business policies and alleged racial moderation of the McCarthy administration. Maddox was hampered by poor relations with Congress and was unable to pass major domestic legislation. However, Maddox was able to use the power of the federal government to violently oppress racial minorities and reinforce Jim Crow. Under the Maddox administration, Black and Latino radicals launched a guerrilla war against the U.S government, prompting Maddox to kill thousands of domestic terrorists. Maddox encountered significant difficulty with foreign policy. After the death of Chinese President Chiang Kai-Shek in 1975, Communist rebels with the support of the Soviet Union launched a war against the Guomindang. While Maddox offered support to the Chinese government, these efforts were mostly futile. Maddox used nuclear weapons to attack the revolutionaries, but the nuclear strikes only undermined support for the Chinese government and caused the governments of Western Europe to dissolve NATO. Hardline Maoist revolutionaries executed thousands of Americans in China after seizing control during the Revolution of 1979. Thousands of American Prisoners of War were held hostage in order to prevent Maddox from retaliating. An armed attempt to rescue the hostages failed spectacularly. The success of the Chinese Revolution resulted in further Communist insurgencies throughout Asia. After the Jihadi Revolution of 1979 overthrew the government of Saudi Arabia, the CENTO nations, including the United States, Turkey, and Iran invaded Saudi Arabia in order to secure the nation’s oil supply. The war eventually escalated into an all out religious war between Sunni and Shia forces. This intervention caused Iraq to invade Iran, and for Maddox to lose reelection.
[6] David Schine, famous Hollywood figure, MacArthur and McCarthy administration official, and Governor of California, was elected on promises to restore America’s strength and economic power. Schine invaded Iraq and installed an American-Iranian proxy regime. Schine used nuclear weapons against Sunni cities which resisted the invasion. Nevertheless, America became bogged down in a long insurgency in Arabia and Iraq. Domestically, Schine’s trickle down policies briefly produced an economic boom, and he was able to temporarily quell left-wing insurgents with a combination of extreme terror and modest government investment in the African-American community. However, the privatization of Social Security was unpopular and backfired during the crash of 1987. During Schine’s presidency, relations with the Soviet Union were very tense and nearly resulted in nuclear war. Furthermore, insurgencies in Latin America resurged- the Colombian conflict worsened and revolution broke out across Central America. Schine also continued the domestic Dirty War of McCarthy and Maddox. The stock market crash of 1987, caused by financial deregulation and Ponzi schemes, prompted a severe Depression which heightened America’s racial and political tensions. Furthermore, Communist Revolutions overthrew American allied governments with rapid succession. Indonesia, Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, and Malaysia all succumbed to Socialism. Schine authorized nuclear strikes in Korea and Indonesia in an attempt to suppress the rebels, but to no avail. Furthermore, Schine committed U.S forces to support the apartheid government in the South African War. Schine left office in a cloud of suspicion after having allegedly embezzled money from Iranian munitions companies and stored them in an offshore Nicaraguan slush fund.
[7] As the former director of the CIA, Liddy’s experience with Dirty War tactics allowed him to win the contentious 1988 presidential election. Massachusetts Governor Noam Chomsky initially led the field by a large margin due to the Second Great Depression. However, Liddy used the power of the government and state-influenced media to launch an unprecedented attack against the Democratic Party. The government fabricated evidence of Chomsky being an agent of the Soviet Union, prompting his arrest. Chomsky was subsequently replaced by his running mate, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who had ties to Black terrorist groups. Liddy was thus able to portray Jackson as both a traitor and a racial threat; allowing a landslide victory tainted by violence and intimidation. Liddy’s presidency ultimately ended in disaster. The effects of the Second Great Depression led to massive unemployment and popular discontent. Racial violence escalated as the result of government suppression, prompting Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition to launch the Million Man March and an attempted Revolution. Jackson was assassinated by FBI agents, and the government launched a crackdown against the Rainbow Coalition. Liddy expected popular support against the largely African-American rebels, but even staunch Republicans were abandoning him due to the Depression. Liddy’s domestic problems were exacerbated by the global victory of Soviet aligned forces. Left-wing governments took power across most of Latin America as support for dictatorships disintegrated. Liddy was able to temporarily boost American allies in Latin America, but elsewhere he was unsuccessful. Despite the repeated use of biological and nuclear weapons, the apartheid government in South Africa was overthrown. Liddy was also forced to withdraw troops from the Middle East after a socialist revolution in Iraq launched violent attacks against American troops. The Million Man March eventually propelled a broader Revolution, causing Liddy to lose every state in the four-sided 1992 presidential election. Liddy abducted the electors and replaced them with alternatives, giving Liddy a narrow victory in the electoral college. Widespread protests after the incident forced Liddy to step down and concede the election. Liddy was subsequently executed by the Clark administration for crimes against humanity.
[8] Clark, a liberal McCarthy democrat turned hardcore leftist, declared the end of the Cold War after taking office. Clark instituted civil rights laws which fully overturned Jim Crow and state-sponsored racism. Clark also shifted American diplomacy, developing close relations with the Soviet Union and other socialist countries. Clark instituted domestic reparations for slavery; and foreign reparations for nations America had formerly been at war with. Many of these reparations found their way into the coffers of communist dictators. Clark also massively reduced military spending and withdrew most remaining U.S forces from abroad. Clark also tried thousands of members of previous administrations for crimes against humanity as part of a broader purge of the Republican Party. Clark’s nationalizations and far-left socialist reforms utterly destroyed the American economy. The destruction of capitalism resulted in large deficits, tax increases, massive corruption, inefficiency, and bankruptcy which particularly affected the middle class. Vice President Traficant also used his position to promote anti-semitic conspiracy theories and promote violence against Jews. Clark himself targeted Jews as part of his broader purge of Rightist forces, prompting a mass exodus to Israel. Neo-Nazi and militia groups became powerful as the result of the Second Great Depression and forced integration. Traficant would attempt to use these groups to launch a coup against Clark in 1998, but Traficant’s plot was foiled and he was executed for treason. By the end of his administration, Clark’s approval ratings were in the single digits, and he was reduced to violently intimidating Congress in order to prevent his impeachment.
[9] Trump was one of the American oligarchs who emerged as a beneficiary of the turmoil of the 1990s. Trump aligned himself with the authoritarian wing of the Republican Party which had dominated America until the Clark administration. His mentor and alleged puppetmaster, Roy Cohn, was a McCarthy relic and survivor of the Clark purges who changed his voter registration from New York to Nevada in order to run for Vice President with Trump. Trump led a conservative restoration with support from the religious right, instituting an oppressive traditionalism in response to the chaos of the 1990s. Trump appointed his family and personal cronies to head the state-run subsidiaries created by the Clark administration, turning the U.S government into his personal property, which allowed him to launder billions of taxpayer dollars to his personal account. After the nuclear terrorist attacks of 9/11 destroyed New York and Philadelphia, Trump declared war on Islam, launching numerous nuclear weapons against Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, and Nigeria. Trump’s War on Islam morphed into a global genocide against Sunni Muslims, with aid from secular Shia leftists. Popular support for Trump spiked after the 9/11 attacks, allowing him to rebuild the McCarthyite security state and establish a de facto dictatorship. The high cost of a total war against Islam and Trump’s complete incompetence, malfeasance, mismanagement, and corruption ultimately destroyed his popularity. The Trump Depression of 2008 destroyed the American economy, bankrupted the government and revealed Trump’s corruption to world. Thus, Trump squandered his attempt for a third term.
[10] An inexperienced African-American Senator from Illinois, Jesse Jackson’s political career was built on the name recognition of his martyred, widely beloved father. Jackson took power amidst the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and multiple wars abroad. Jackson found himself utterly incapable of dealing with these crises. His economic reforms and stimulus failed miserably, as the creaky bureaucratic organs of state were unable to address the economic crisis. Jackson’s attempts to withdraw troops from the occupied Middle East and North Africa were largely a failure, as the Islamic State threatened to take total control over the whole of the Ummah. Furthermore, Jackson’s bipolar personality disorder severely impeded his governing style. He was prone to behaving in an erratic and contradictory fashion, frequently purging associates and acting like an unstable dictator. Thus the government under Jackson’s leadership became completely dysfunctional, gridlocked, and broken. Jackson was declared unfit by his cabinet under the terms of the 23rd amendment and was subsequently impeached.
[11] Wasserman had been selected as Jackson’s running mate in order to quell accusations of anti-Semitism within the Democratic Party. Ironically, her brief presidency would end up birthing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories which would overtake the country. Wasserman’s presidency was defined by ineptness, gridlock, and corruption. Wasserman’s emails were hacked on the orders of Russian President Alexsandr Dugin and were subsequently leaked to the public. The emails revealed Wasserman had engaged in embezzlement, numerous financial misdealings, and politically manipulative maneuvers, including the illegal suppression of opponents within the Democratic Party. The most incriminating emails were released during the 2016 Democratic Convention, where delegates of presidential candidate John Edwards attempted to violently seize control before being massacred. Wasserman was so unpopular that the Democratic Party lost every congressional seat and statewide office in the 2016 presidential election. Wasserman was subsequently arrested and publicly executed by the Stone administration.
[12] Stone was a McCarthyite and Trump stalwart who redefined himself as a leader of the Alt-Right movement which emerged from the Neo-Nazis of the 1990s. Stone ran on an explicitly White Nationalist and anti-Semitic platform; his campaign slogan being “Make America White Again.” After suppressing a coup by FBI Director James Comey; Stone quickly converted America into a Fascist, totalitarian regime, with all of government and business falling under the control of Stone and his inner circle. Stone and Dugin have recently declared the “New Axis” of Russia and the United States; their stated goals being global White supremacy and the complete genocide of non-Whites.
Douglas MacArthur/Joseph McCarthy (Republican:1953-1961)[1]
Eugene McCarthy/George Smathers (Democratic:1961-1963)[2]
George Smathers/John F. Kennedy (Democratic:1963-1969)[3]
Joseph McCarthy/William Jenner (Republican:1969-1977)[4]
Lester Maddox/Sam Yorty (Democratic:1977-1981)[5]
David Schine/Gordon Liddy (Republican:1981-1989)[6]
Gordon Liddy/Bob Dornan (Republican:1989-1993)[7]
Ramsey Clark/James Traficant (Democratic:1993-2001)[8]
Donald Trump/Roy Cohn (Republican:2001-2009)[9]
Jesse Jackson Jr./Debbie Wasserman (Democratic:2009-2014)[10]
Debbie Wasserman/Vacant (Democratic:2014-2017)[11]
Roger Stone/Michael Flynn (Republican:2017-present)[12]
[1] General MacArthur became the Republican nominee for President after Dwight Eisenhower declined to run. MacArthur chose young anti-communist firebrand Senator Joe McCarthy as his running mate. MacArthur accused the Truman administration of being infiltrated by Communists who had the General dismissed to prevent American victory in Korea. MacArthur promised to win the Korean War and launch aggressive attacks on Communism. MacArthur subsequently invaded mainland China and dropped dozens of nuclear bombs on Communist controlled cities including Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing, Tianjin, and Wuhan, killing millions of people. While the Communist government was destroyed, the American military occupiers and the Guomindang were subsequently bogged down in a guerrilla war against hardliner Maoist rebels. The war became unpopular domestically and internationally, weakening America’s diplomatic position. Domestically, MacArthur used claims of Communist infiltration and wartime preparedness to suppress dissent and anti-war sentiment, establishing an authoritarian police state. The Depression of 1957, however, damaged MacArthur’s popularity.
[2] By 1960, MacArthur’s administration had become deeply unpopular due to a high-casualty war and an ongoing Depression. Thus anti-war “Beatnik” candidate Eugene McCarthy was able to defeat Vice President McCarthy in a landslide. McCarthy withdrew troops from China and pursued detente with the Soviet Union. However, McCarthy’s liberal agenda was stalled by recalcitrant conservatives in Congress, with whom McCarthy was uninterested in pursuing good relations. The “Pink Wave” of revolutions in Latin America and the Caribbean overthrew American backed dictatorships and installed socialist governments. McCarthy initially encouraged the revolutionaries, to the chagrin of the Armed Forces and intelligence agencies. McCarthy became increasingly isolated within his own government due to his liberal stances. McCarthy was assassinated in Texas by an alleged Cuban assassin. Documents declassified in the 1990s suggested that McCarthy’s killing was ordered by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, whom McCarthy had repeatedly threatened to fire.
[3] Smathers, a moderate Florida Democrat, largely derailed his predecessor’s agenda. Smathers vetoed Civil Rights legislation with the exception of a toothless Voting Rights Act. Smathers instituted a milder version of McCarthy’s health care reforms which ultimately collapsed due to bureaucratic missteps and Republican opposition. In response to the Bay of Pigs incident, Smathers launched multiple invasions to overthrow the socialist governments of Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Venezuela. Smathers further sent U.S armed forces to suppress leftist forces in Colombia, Guatemala, Panama, and Nicaragua. Smathers further escalated American involvement in Vietnam and Indonesia. The wars resulted in enormous domestic instability. The Civil Rights Movement fully radicalized into a more militant movement which sought to violently overthrow segregation. The anti-war and left-wing movements were also radicalized, leading to riots, violence, crime, and domestic terrorism. Smathers sought to appease the more left-wing elements of his party through liberal economic legislation, but the infighting ultimately derailed his 1968 reelection campaign.
[4] Former Vice President McCarthy was elected as the result of a conservative backlash against the liberalism of the 1960s. McCarthy used multiple nuclear weapons against the North Vietnamese, winning the Vietnam War. Latin America was also pacified with the exception of Colombia. McCarthy also violently suppressed domestic dissent, using broad emergency powers to kill or intern radicals and political opponents en masse. This Dirty War especially targeted members of McCarthy’s “Enemies List.” In response to urban decay, McCarthy sent the National Guard to police America’s inner cities. While McCarthy passed some civil rights reforms, his “law and order” policies were largely directed towards African-Americans and Latinos, who had been radicalized by American intervention in Central and South America. Furthermore, McCarthy’s economic agenda was fully conservative and business-orientated. The international oil embargo against the United States, however, resulted in economic stagnation and international isolation. After the Democratic wave of 1974, Congress attempted to impeach McCarthy for the alleged bombing of Democratic Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel. The impeachment having failed, McCarthy expanded the Dirty War to include the press, which he claimed jeopardized national security by leaking state secrets.
[5] Georgia Governor Lester Maddox was elected on an angry populist platform. Maddox denounced the big business policies and alleged racial moderation of the McCarthy administration. Maddox was hampered by poor relations with Congress and was unable to pass major domestic legislation. However, Maddox was able to use the power of the federal government to violently oppress racial minorities and reinforce Jim Crow. Under the Maddox administration, Black and Latino radicals launched a guerrilla war against the U.S government, prompting Maddox to kill thousands of domestic terrorists. Maddox encountered significant difficulty with foreign policy. After the death of Chinese President Chiang Kai-Shek in 1975, Communist rebels with the support of the Soviet Union launched a war against the Guomindang. While Maddox offered support to the Chinese government, these efforts were mostly futile. Maddox used nuclear weapons to attack the revolutionaries, but the nuclear strikes only undermined support for the Chinese government and caused the governments of Western Europe to dissolve NATO. Hardline Maoist revolutionaries executed thousands of Americans in China after seizing control during the Revolution of 1979. Thousands of American Prisoners of War were held hostage in order to prevent Maddox from retaliating. An armed attempt to rescue the hostages failed spectacularly. The success of the Chinese Revolution resulted in further Communist insurgencies throughout Asia. After the Jihadi Revolution of 1979 overthrew the government of Saudi Arabia, the CENTO nations, including the United States, Turkey, and Iran invaded Saudi Arabia in order to secure the nation’s oil supply. The war eventually escalated into an all out religious war between Sunni and Shia forces. This intervention caused Iraq to invade Iran, and for Maddox to lose reelection.
[6] David Schine, famous Hollywood figure, MacArthur and McCarthy administration official, and Governor of California, was elected on promises to restore America’s strength and economic power. Schine invaded Iraq and installed an American-Iranian proxy regime. Schine used nuclear weapons against Sunni cities which resisted the invasion. Nevertheless, America became bogged down in a long insurgency in Arabia and Iraq. Domestically, Schine’s trickle down policies briefly produced an economic boom, and he was able to temporarily quell left-wing insurgents with a combination of extreme terror and modest government investment in the African-American community. However, the privatization of Social Security was unpopular and backfired during the crash of 1987. During Schine’s presidency, relations with the Soviet Union were very tense and nearly resulted in nuclear war. Furthermore, insurgencies in Latin America resurged- the Colombian conflict worsened and revolution broke out across Central America. Schine also continued the domestic Dirty War of McCarthy and Maddox. The stock market crash of 1987, caused by financial deregulation and Ponzi schemes, prompted a severe Depression which heightened America’s racial and political tensions. Furthermore, Communist Revolutions overthrew American allied governments with rapid succession. Indonesia, Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, and Malaysia all succumbed to Socialism. Schine authorized nuclear strikes in Korea and Indonesia in an attempt to suppress the rebels, but to no avail. Furthermore, Schine committed U.S forces to support the apartheid government in the South African War. Schine left office in a cloud of suspicion after having allegedly embezzled money from Iranian munitions companies and stored them in an offshore Nicaraguan slush fund.
[7] As the former director of the CIA, Liddy’s experience with Dirty War tactics allowed him to win the contentious 1988 presidential election. Massachusetts Governor Noam Chomsky initially led the field by a large margin due to the Second Great Depression. However, Liddy used the power of the government and state-influenced media to launch an unprecedented attack against the Democratic Party. The government fabricated evidence of Chomsky being an agent of the Soviet Union, prompting his arrest. Chomsky was subsequently replaced by his running mate, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who had ties to Black terrorist groups. Liddy was thus able to portray Jackson as both a traitor and a racial threat; allowing a landslide victory tainted by violence and intimidation. Liddy’s presidency ultimately ended in disaster. The effects of the Second Great Depression led to massive unemployment and popular discontent. Racial violence escalated as the result of government suppression, prompting Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition to launch the Million Man March and an attempted Revolution. Jackson was assassinated by FBI agents, and the government launched a crackdown against the Rainbow Coalition. Liddy expected popular support against the largely African-American rebels, but even staunch Republicans were abandoning him due to the Depression. Liddy’s domestic problems were exacerbated by the global victory of Soviet aligned forces. Left-wing governments took power across most of Latin America as support for dictatorships disintegrated. Liddy was able to temporarily boost American allies in Latin America, but elsewhere he was unsuccessful. Despite the repeated use of biological and nuclear weapons, the apartheid government in South Africa was overthrown. Liddy was also forced to withdraw troops from the Middle East after a socialist revolution in Iraq launched violent attacks against American troops. The Million Man March eventually propelled a broader Revolution, causing Liddy to lose every state in the four-sided 1992 presidential election. Liddy abducted the electors and replaced them with alternatives, giving Liddy a narrow victory in the electoral college. Widespread protests after the incident forced Liddy to step down and concede the election. Liddy was subsequently executed by the Clark administration for crimes against humanity.
[8] Clark, a liberal McCarthy democrat turned hardcore leftist, declared the end of the Cold War after taking office. Clark instituted civil rights laws which fully overturned Jim Crow and state-sponsored racism. Clark also shifted American diplomacy, developing close relations with the Soviet Union and other socialist countries. Clark instituted domestic reparations for slavery; and foreign reparations for nations America had formerly been at war with. Many of these reparations found their way into the coffers of communist dictators. Clark also massively reduced military spending and withdrew most remaining U.S forces from abroad. Clark also tried thousands of members of previous administrations for crimes against humanity as part of a broader purge of the Republican Party. Clark’s nationalizations and far-left socialist reforms utterly destroyed the American economy. The destruction of capitalism resulted in large deficits, tax increases, massive corruption, inefficiency, and bankruptcy which particularly affected the middle class. Vice President Traficant also used his position to promote anti-semitic conspiracy theories and promote violence against Jews. Clark himself targeted Jews as part of his broader purge of Rightist forces, prompting a mass exodus to Israel. Neo-Nazi and militia groups became powerful as the result of the Second Great Depression and forced integration. Traficant would attempt to use these groups to launch a coup against Clark in 1998, but Traficant’s plot was foiled and he was executed for treason. By the end of his administration, Clark’s approval ratings were in the single digits, and he was reduced to violently intimidating Congress in order to prevent his impeachment.
[9] Trump was one of the American oligarchs who emerged as a beneficiary of the turmoil of the 1990s. Trump aligned himself with the authoritarian wing of the Republican Party which had dominated America until the Clark administration. His mentor and alleged puppetmaster, Roy Cohn, was a McCarthy relic and survivor of the Clark purges who changed his voter registration from New York to Nevada in order to run for Vice President with Trump. Trump led a conservative restoration with support from the religious right, instituting an oppressive traditionalism in response to the chaos of the 1990s. Trump appointed his family and personal cronies to head the state-run subsidiaries created by the Clark administration, turning the U.S government into his personal property, which allowed him to launder billions of taxpayer dollars to his personal account. After the nuclear terrorist attacks of 9/11 destroyed New York and Philadelphia, Trump declared war on Islam, launching numerous nuclear weapons against Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, and Nigeria. Trump’s War on Islam morphed into a global genocide against Sunni Muslims, with aid from secular Shia leftists. Popular support for Trump spiked after the 9/11 attacks, allowing him to rebuild the McCarthyite security state and establish a de facto dictatorship. The high cost of a total war against Islam and Trump’s complete incompetence, malfeasance, mismanagement, and corruption ultimately destroyed his popularity. The Trump Depression of 2008 destroyed the American economy, bankrupted the government and revealed Trump’s corruption to world. Thus, Trump squandered his attempt for a third term.
[10] An inexperienced African-American Senator from Illinois, Jesse Jackson’s political career was built on the name recognition of his martyred, widely beloved father. Jackson took power amidst the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and multiple wars abroad. Jackson found himself utterly incapable of dealing with these crises. His economic reforms and stimulus failed miserably, as the creaky bureaucratic organs of state were unable to address the economic crisis. Jackson’s attempts to withdraw troops from the occupied Middle East and North Africa were largely a failure, as the Islamic State threatened to take total control over the whole of the Ummah. Furthermore, Jackson’s bipolar personality disorder severely impeded his governing style. He was prone to behaving in an erratic and contradictory fashion, frequently purging associates and acting like an unstable dictator. Thus the government under Jackson’s leadership became completely dysfunctional, gridlocked, and broken. Jackson was declared unfit by his cabinet under the terms of the 23rd amendment and was subsequently impeached.
[11] Wasserman had been selected as Jackson’s running mate in order to quell accusations of anti-Semitism within the Democratic Party. Ironically, her brief presidency would end up birthing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories which would overtake the country. Wasserman’s presidency was defined by ineptness, gridlock, and corruption. Wasserman’s emails were hacked on the orders of Russian President Alexsandr Dugin and were subsequently leaked to the public. The emails revealed Wasserman had engaged in embezzlement, numerous financial misdealings, and politically manipulative maneuvers, including the illegal suppression of opponents within the Democratic Party. The most incriminating emails were released during the 2016 Democratic Convention, where delegates of presidential candidate John Edwards attempted to violently seize control before being massacred. Wasserman was so unpopular that the Democratic Party lost every congressional seat and statewide office in the 2016 presidential election. Wasserman was subsequently arrested and publicly executed by the Stone administration.
[12] Stone was a McCarthyite and Trump stalwart who redefined himself as a leader of the Alt-Right movement which emerged from the Neo-Nazis of the 1990s. Stone ran on an explicitly White Nationalist and anti-Semitic platform; his campaign slogan being “Make America White Again.” After suppressing a coup by FBI Director James Comey; Stone quickly converted America into a Fascist, totalitarian regime, with all of government and business falling under the control of Stone and his inner circle. Stone and Dugin have recently declared the “New Axis” of Russia and the United States; their stated goals being global White supremacy and the complete genocide of non-Whites.
Wow. America has become a dystopian hellhole. And with two Presidents executed by their successors.
big-click - Atlantean Ancestor Spirit Channeling
Here's a Presidents list for an ASB thing I plan to do at some point about Atlantean ancestor spirit channeling becoming widespread during the 1910s. The story will be set in the 70s / 80s so this isn't a spoiler.
"In today’s global village, we know the Atlanteans have always been with us. Yesterday’s ringing nostrums about the 'Great Awakening' of the early 20th century are widely recognized as elitist, Eurocentric historiography. The early researchers of the Atlantean Rite and Scientific Spiritism – Donnelly, Blavatsky, Gurdjieff, Murray, Jung – simply codified an understanding of our relationship with the Atlantean ancestor spirits that has existed, taking different forms, in every human civilization. Nevertheless, it is important to recall that spirit channeling was treated as a novelty for decades. We may mock Socialist Europe’s policy of 'official disbelief,' but the highest levels of the United States government denied the mounting evidence for far longer than was credible. Despite corroborated reports of the Russian Empire’s military use of channeling on the Eastern Front during the Great War, it was not until President Robinson’s 1930 invitation of Edgar Cayce to the White House that the United States publicly acknowledged the achievements of Scientific Spiritism."
Broad tent parties. Dems are skeptical of spirit channeling, the Republicans less so (especially after Wallace puts Nicholas Roerich in the Cabinet). Republican New Deal. Domineering left-populist Richard Nixon. Ken Arnold in office. Good stuff. Can't wait to write it.
1917-1918: Charles Evans Hughes / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
def. 1916: Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic), Thomas Van Lear / George R. Kirkpatrick (Socialist)
1918-1921: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican) / vacant
1921-1929: A. Mitchell Palmer / Charles N. Haskell (Democratic)
def. 1920: Charles Evans Hughes / Myron T. Herrick (Republican)
def. 1924: John J. Pershing / John W. Weeks (Republican)
1929-1933: Joseph T. Robinson / Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
def. 1928: Carl Milliken / Arthur Capper (Republican), William Edgar Borah / Robert M. La Follette, Jr. (Progressive)
1933-1937: Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. / James Eli Watson (Republican)
def. 1932: Joseph T. Robinson / Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic), Daniel Hoan / James H. Maurer (Socialist)
1937-1941: Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. / Henry A. Wallace (Republican)
def. 1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Walter F. George (Democratic)
1941-1949: Henry A. Wallace / Arthur H. Vandenberg (Republican)
def. 1940: Al Smith / Harry F. Byrd (Democratic)
def. 1945: Paul V. McNutt / John H. Bankhead II (Democratic), Darlington Hoopes / Karly Larsen (Socialist)
1949-1952: Wright Patman / Brien McMahon (Democratic)
def. 1948: William J. Donovan / Hugh A. Butler (Republican)
1952-1953: Wright Patman (Democratic) / vacant
1953-1961: Lucius D. Clay / Earl Warren (Republican)
def. 1952: Estes Kefauver / John O. Pastore (“Regular” Democratic), none (“Rebel” Democratic)
def. 1956: Will Rogers, Jr. / G. Mennen Williams (“Regular” Democratic), none (“Rebel” Democratic)
1961-1965: Clifford P. Case / Archibald Roosevelt, Jr. (Republican)
def. 1960: Orval E. Faubus / James Roosevelt (Democratic)
1965-1973: Dick Nixon / Ralph Yarborough (Democratic)
def. 1964: Clifford P. Case / Archibald Roosevelt, Jr. (Republican)
def. 1968: Hugh Scott / Jim Rhodes (Republican)
1973-1977: Kenneth Arnold / Harold Hughes (Republican)
def. 1972: Dick Nixon / Moon Landrieu (Democratic)
1977-1981: Dick Nixon / John Dingell (Democratic)
def. 1976: Kenneth Arnold / Patrick Leahy (Republican)
1981-0000: Bob Packwood / David Rockefeller (Republican)
def. 1980: John Dingell / Ernest Hollings (Democratic), Julie Nixon / Frank Fitzsimmons (Popular Democratic)
"In today’s global village, we know the Atlanteans have always been with us. Yesterday’s ringing nostrums about the 'Great Awakening' of the early 20th century are widely recognized as elitist, Eurocentric historiography. The early researchers of the Atlantean Rite and Scientific Spiritism – Donnelly, Blavatsky, Gurdjieff, Murray, Jung – simply codified an understanding of our relationship with the Atlantean ancestor spirits that has existed, taking different forms, in every human civilization. Nevertheless, it is important to recall that spirit channeling was treated as a novelty for decades. We may mock Socialist Europe’s policy of 'official disbelief,' but the highest levels of the United States government denied the mounting evidence for far longer than was credible. Despite corroborated reports of the Russian Empire’s military use of channeling on the Eastern Front during the Great War, it was not until President Robinson’s 1930 invitation of Edgar Cayce to the White House that the United States publicly acknowledged the achievements of Scientific Spiritism."
Broad tent parties. Dems are skeptical of spirit channeling, the Republicans less so (especially after Wallace puts Nicholas Roerich in the Cabinet). Republican New Deal. Domineering left-populist Richard Nixon. Ken Arnold in office. Good stuff. Can't wait to write it.
1917-1918: Charles Evans Hughes / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
def. 1916: Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic), Thomas Van Lear / George R. Kirkpatrick (Socialist)
1918-1921: Charles Evans Hughes (Republican) / vacant
1921-1929: A. Mitchell Palmer / Charles N. Haskell (Democratic)
def. 1920: Charles Evans Hughes / Myron T. Herrick (Republican)
def. 1924: John J. Pershing / John W. Weeks (Republican)
1929-1933: Joseph T. Robinson / Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
def. 1928: Carl Milliken / Arthur Capper (Republican), William Edgar Borah / Robert M. La Follette, Jr. (Progressive)
1933-1937: Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. / James Eli Watson (Republican)
def. 1932: Joseph T. Robinson / Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic), Daniel Hoan / James H. Maurer (Socialist)
1937-1941: Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. / Henry A. Wallace (Republican)
def. 1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Walter F. George (Democratic)
1941-1949: Henry A. Wallace / Arthur H. Vandenberg (Republican)
def. 1940: Al Smith / Harry F. Byrd (Democratic)
def. 1945: Paul V. McNutt / John H. Bankhead II (Democratic), Darlington Hoopes / Karly Larsen (Socialist)
1949-1952: Wright Patman / Brien McMahon (Democratic)
def. 1948: William J. Donovan / Hugh A. Butler (Republican)
1952-1953: Wright Patman (Democratic) / vacant
1953-1961: Lucius D. Clay / Earl Warren (Republican)
def. 1952: Estes Kefauver / John O. Pastore (“Regular” Democratic), none (“Rebel” Democratic)
def. 1956: Will Rogers, Jr. / G. Mennen Williams (“Regular” Democratic), none (“Rebel” Democratic)
1961-1965: Clifford P. Case / Archibald Roosevelt, Jr. (Republican)
def. 1960: Orval E. Faubus / James Roosevelt (Democratic)
1965-1973: Dick Nixon / Ralph Yarborough (Democratic)
def. 1964: Clifford P. Case / Archibald Roosevelt, Jr. (Republican)
def. 1968: Hugh Scott / Jim Rhodes (Republican)
1973-1977: Kenneth Arnold / Harold Hughes (Republican)
def. 1972: Dick Nixon / Moon Landrieu (Democratic)
1977-1981: Dick Nixon / John Dingell (Democratic)
def. 1976: Kenneth Arnold / Patrick Leahy (Republican)
1981-0000: Bob Packwood / David Rockefeller (Republican)
def. 1980: John Dingell / Ernest Hollings (Democratic), Julie Nixon / Frank Fitzsimmons (Popular Democratic)
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Augenis - Presidential Anarchy
I had a lot of fun with this one. POD is in 1864, try to find it.
List of Presidents of the United States of America (1880-Present)
1881-1884: John Pierpont Morgan/Charles B. Lore (Republican)
1884-1885: John Pierpont Morgan/Charles B. Lore (Prohibition/Republican)
1885-1886: Robert Lowry/John J. Adams (Republican)*
1886: John J. Adams/Vacant (Republican)**
1886-1887: Theron Moses Rice/Vacant (Greenback)
1887-1889: John Pierpont Morgan/Charles B. Lore (Prohibition-Reform/Republican)
1889-1893: John Pierpont Morgan/Charles B. Lore (Prohibition-Reform)
1893-1901: Charles B. Lore/William P. Kellogg (Prohibition-Reform)
1901-1905: Frederic Heath/Thomas E. Watson (United Labor)
1905-1906: John Lind/W. E. B. Du Bois (Freedom)***
1906-1907: W. E. B. Du Bois/Vacant (Freedom)***
1907-1909: Charles Edward Russell/Vacant (American Excellence)
1909-1913: Carrie A. Nation/Eugene W. Chafin (Commonwealth-Reform)
1913: Lorin C. Woolley/James Gunn (American/Social Democrat)*
1913-1917: James Gunn/Vacant (Social Democrat)
1917-1920: Henry Cross (born Hong Tianguifu)/S. W. T. Lanham (Social Democrat)*
1920: Henry Cross/Vacant (Social Democrat)*
1920-1921: Terence V. Powderly/Vacant (Social Democrat)
1921-1923: William Jennings Bryan/Miles Poindexter (United Alternative)*
1923-1925: Miles Poindexter/Vacant (United Alternative)
1925-Present: Carl Panzram/James M. Cox (United Alternative)
* Denotes a President/Vice President that died in office
** Denotes a President removed due to a discovered ineligibility for office
*** Denoted a President assassinated in office
List of Paters of the United American State (1924-Present)
1924-Present: Benjamin R. Tillman (National American Workers')
I could have added all the defeated tickets, but pretty much every election would have had like 5-6 of them, so I decided not to.
List of Presidents of the United States of America (1880-Present)
1881-1884: John Pierpont Morgan/Charles B. Lore (Republican)
1884-1885: John Pierpont Morgan/Charles B. Lore (Prohibition/Republican)
1885-1886: Robert Lowry/John J. Adams (Republican)*
1886: John J. Adams/Vacant (Republican)**
1886-1887: Theron Moses Rice/Vacant (Greenback)
1887-1889: John Pierpont Morgan/Charles B. Lore (Prohibition-Reform/Republican)
1889-1893: John Pierpont Morgan/Charles B. Lore (Prohibition-Reform)
1893-1901: Charles B. Lore/William P. Kellogg (Prohibition-Reform)
1901-1905: Frederic Heath/Thomas E. Watson (United Labor)
1905-1906: John Lind/W. E. B. Du Bois (Freedom)***
1906-1907: W. E. B. Du Bois/Vacant (Freedom)***
1907-1909: Charles Edward Russell/Vacant (American Excellence)
1909-1913: Carrie A. Nation/Eugene W. Chafin (Commonwealth-Reform)
1913: Lorin C. Woolley/James Gunn (American/Social Democrat)*
1913-1917: James Gunn/Vacant (Social Democrat)
1917-1920: Henry Cross (born Hong Tianguifu)/S. W. T. Lanham (Social Democrat)*
1920: Henry Cross/Vacant (Social Democrat)*
1920-1921: Terence V. Powderly/Vacant (Social Democrat)
1921-1923: William Jennings Bryan/Miles Poindexter (United Alternative)*
1923-1925: Miles Poindexter/Vacant (United Alternative)
1925-Present: Carl Panzram/James M. Cox (United Alternative)
* Denotes a President/Vice President that died in office
** Denotes a President removed due to a discovered ineligibility for office
*** Denoted a President assassinated in office
List of Paters of the United American State (1924-Present)
1924-Present: Benjamin R. Tillman (National American Workers')
I could have added all the defeated tickets, but pretty much every election would have had like 5-6 of them, so I decided not to.
Oppo - Jerry Wins In 1976
1977-1981: Gerald Ford/Bob Dole (Republican) [1]
1976: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democrat) [2]
1981-1983: Henry Jackson/Donald Stewart (Democrat) [3]
1980: Bob Dole/Arch A. Moore (Republican), Wally Hickel/Silvio Conte (Independent), Eugene McCarthy/Dick Randolph (Libertarian) [4]
1983: Donald Stewart/Vacant (Democrat) [5]
1983-1989: Donald Stewart/Dick Clark (Democrat) [6]
1984: Dan Quayle/John Chafee (Republican), Johnny L. Ford/Terry Bouricius (Citizens) [7]
1989-1997: Carlos Moorhead/Al D'Amato (Republican) [8]
1988: Donald Stewart/Dick Clark (Democrat), H. Ross Perot/Marcy Kaptur (Independent) [9]
1992: Daniel Patrick Moynihan/James Robert Jones (Democrat), Steve Jobs/David Orme-Johnson (Natural Law) [10]
1997: Vacant/Jerry Brown (Natural Law) [11]
1996: William Scranton III/Jerry Brown (Natural Law), Al D'Amato/Barry Goldwater Jr. (Republican), Thomas M. Fogiletta/David Boren (Democrat), L. Neil Smith/Ted Brown (Libertarian) [12]
1997-2005: William Scranton III/Jerry Brown (Natural Law) [13]
2000: Fife Symington/Sumner Lipman (Republican), Jim Guy Tucker/Alan Wheat (Democrat) [14]
2005-2013: Paul Hardy/Jim Justice (Republican) [15]
2004: Jerry Brown/Harold H. Bloomfield (Natural Law), Chris Matthews/Alex Penelas (Democrat) [16]
2008: Nat Goldhaber/John McAfee (Natural Law), Harvey Gantt/Rahm Emanuel (Democrat) [17]
2013-2021: Doug Dern/Rocky Anderson (Natural Law) [18]
2012: Jim Justice/Norm Coleman (Republican), Joe Biden/Jim Matheson (Democrat), Alex Jones/D.W. Perry (Libertarian) [19]
2016: Norm Coleman/Nikki Haley (Republican), James Mattis/Jeff Merkley (Democratic Alternative), Alex Jones/D.W. Perry (Libertarian) [20]
2021-2022: James Mattis/Jeff Merkley (Democratic Alternative) [21]
2020: Rocky Anderson/Alan Grayson (Natural Law), Ron Johnson/Various (replacing David Vitter) (Republican), Michael T. Flynn/Stephen K. Bannon (True American League) [22]
2022: Jeff Merkley/Vacant (Democratic Alternative) [23]
2022-2025: Jeff Merkley/Dan Boren (Democratic Alternative) [24]
2025-2027: Jeff Merkley/Kirsten Gillibrand (Democratic Alternative/Republican) [25]
2024: Jeff Merkley/Dan Boren (Democratic Alternative), Ron Johnson/Kirsten Gillibrand (Republican), Tim Canova/Gavin Newsom (Natural Law), Michael T. Flynn/Stephen K. Bannon (True American League) [26]
2027: Kirsten Gillibrand/Vacant (Republican) [27]
2027-2029: Kirsten Gillibrand/Patrick McHenry (Republican) [28]
2029-2033: Brian Schatz/Mark Cuban (Natural Law) [29]
2028: Kirsten Gillibrand/Patrick McHenry (Republican), Richard Spencer/Brittany Pettibone (True American League), Marc Lamont Hill/Deborah Ross (Democratic Alternative) [30]
2033-Present: Richard Spencer/Brittany Pettibone (True American League) [31]
2032: Liz Cheney/Cory Gardner (Republican), Brian Schatz/Mark Cuban (Natural Law), Tim Ashe/Various (Vermont Progressive), Andrew Gillum/Cedric Richmond (Democratic Alternative) [32]
[1] Ford's second term would navigate America through an economic recession, giving the Democrats big gains in the mid-terms.
[2] Once New York came in, it was clear the President had done the impossible and won re-election (McCarthy getting on the ballot didn't help Carter).
[3] Jackson's hawkish foreign policies would be set by Defense Secretary Charlie Wilson.
[4] Bob Dole was too conservative, and 1980 was not a Republican year.
[5] Unfortunately, Jackson's old age would put Donald Stewart in the White House.
[6] The 43-year-old Stewart would moderate from Henry Jackson's New Deal domestic policy.
[7] Dan Quayle's youth and conservatism would lead him to be labeled "Bob Dole 2.0" by former White House Cheif of Staff Paul Wolfowitz.
[8] Moorhead's signature accomplishment would be balancing the budget, but his administration hadn't been the most successful, with the Republicans losing their majorities in 1992.
[9] President Stewart's campaign was overshadowed by the Texas billionaire, who's success influenced Moorhead's economic policies.
[10] Pat Moynihan wanted "a return to the days of Jackson", but the people were satisfied by the incumbent leadership. Another businessman, NeXT CEO Steve Jobs, ran on the pro-TM Natural Law ticket.
[11] The NLP worked out a deal with the Democrats who preferred the progressive conservative Scranton over the conservative D'Amato.
[12] Despite their association with TM, the country was in the mood for change, and the popular Governor and Senator gave that.
[13] Avoiding the controversial aspects of the party, Scranton worked with moderates and reformists from both parties.
[14] While Scranton's approval ratings were down, the major party nominees were unpopular as well.
[15] Hardy promised that he would be "a real conservative," being much more right-wing than Moorhead or Ford.
[16] Brown's much more left-wing views than Scranton lead some 2000 NLP voters to vote for Hardy.
[17] Goldhaber, Scranton's successor as Governor, didn't try to hide his pro-TM views, a move that some say cost him the election.
[18] Dern would move the NLP's ideology away from TM, a move that made the party more of a centrist party.
[19] The billionaire Justice was the wrong candidate to run during an economic recession.
[20] The Democrats actually made a strong performance in the election by working with the Alternative Party's nominee, James Mattis.
[21] Mattis would run similarly as to Henry Jackson, with a hawkish foreign policy and liberal domestic policy.
[22] For the first time since 1984, a candidate who wasn't a Republican or a Natural Lawist won. This was a result of Mattis' popularity along with Anderson's far-left views and Vitter's scandal.
[23] Mattis would be killed in a plane crash, leaving the liberal Merkley to take the baton.
[24] Without being a military hero like Mattis and not having many members of Congress, Merkley struggled to get his legislation passed.
[25] Merkley's peace talks in the Congo led him to win the Nobel Peace Prize posthumously.
[26] 2024 would provide no electoral majority, leading to a split party President and Vice President.
[27] Merkley would be killed by a terrorist while negotiating at a UN building.
[28] Gillibrand's presidency would be much more centrist than most Republicans, leaving many DAP members to switch parties.
[29] Schatz would fail to prevent a war along with an economic collapse.
[30] Gillibrand would win the popular vote while losing the electoral vote, cited by some as a result of Hill's campaign.
[31] The new President has been...., let's just say controversial.
[32] Spencer would take a narrow plurality in the electoral vote with the support of the West and the South.
1976: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democrat) [2]
1981-1983: Henry Jackson/Donald Stewart (Democrat) [3]
1980: Bob Dole/Arch A. Moore (Republican), Wally Hickel/Silvio Conte (Independent), Eugene McCarthy/Dick Randolph (Libertarian) [4]
1983: Donald Stewart/Vacant (Democrat) [5]
1983-1989: Donald Stewart/Dick Clark (Democrat) [6]
1984: Dan Quayle/John Chafee (Republican), Johnny L. Ford/Terry Bouricius (Citizens) [7]
1989-1997: Carlos Moorhead/Al D'Amato (Republican) [8]
1988: Donald Stewart/Dick Clark (Democrat), H. Ross Perot/Marcy Kaptur (Independent) [9]
1992: Daniel Patrick Moynihan/James Robert Jones (Democrat), Steve Jobs/David Orme-Johnson (Natural Law) [10]
1997: Vacant/Jerry Brown (Natural Law) [11]
1996: William Scranton III/Jerry Brown (Natural Law), Al D'Amato/Barry Goldwater Jr. (Republican), Thomas M. Fogiletta/David Boren (Democrat), L. Neil Smith/Ted Brown (Libertarian) [12]
1997-2005: William Scranton III/Jerry Brown (Natural Law) [13]
2000: Fife Symington/Sumner Lipman (Republican), Jim Guy Tucker/Alan Wheat (Democrat) [14]
2005-2013: Paul Hardy/Jim Justice (Republican) [15]
2004: Jerry Brown/Harold H. Bloomfield (Natural Law), Chris Matthews/Alex Penelas (Democrat) [16]
2008: Nat Goldhaber/John McAfee (Natural Law), Harvey Gantt/Rahm Emanuel (Democrat) [17]
2013-2021: Doug Dern/Rocky Anderson (Natural Law) [18]
2012: Jim Justice/Norm Coleman (Republican), Joe Biden/Jim Matheson (Democrat), Alex Jones/D.W. Perry (Libertarian) [19]
2016: Norm Coleman/Nikki Haley (Republican), James Mattis/Jeff Merkley (Democratic Alternative), Alex Jones/D.W. Perry (Libertarian) [20]
2021-2022: James Mattis/Jeff Merkley (Democratic Alternative) [21]
2020: Rocky Anderson/Alan Grayson (Natural Law), Ron Johnson/Various (replacing David Vitter) (Republican), Michael T. Flynn/Stephen K. Bannon (True American League) [22]
2022: Jeff Merkley/Vacant (Democratic Alternative) [23]
2022-2025: Jeff Merkley/Dan Boren (Democratic Alternative) [24]
2025-2027: Jeff Merkley/Kirsten Gillibrand (Democratic Alternative/Republican) [25]
2024: Jeff Merkley/Dan Boren (Democratic Alternative), Ron Johnson/Kirsten Gillibrand (Republican), Tim Canova/Gavin Newsom (Natural Law), Michael T. Flynn/Stephen K. Bannon (True American League) [26]
2027: Kirsten Gillibrand/Vacant (Republican) [27]
2027-2029: Kirsten Gillibrand/Patrick McHenry (Republican) [28]
2029-2033: Brian Schatz/Mark Cuban (Natural Law) [29]
2028: Kirsten Gillibrand/Patrick McHenry (Republican), Richard Spencer/Brittany Pettibone (True American League), Marc Lamont Hill/Deborah Ross (Democratic Alternative) [30]
2033-Present: Richard Spencer/Brittany Pettibone (True American League) [31]
2032: Liz Cheney/Cory Gardner (Republican), Brian Schatz/Mark Cuban (Natural Law), Tim Ashe/Various (Vermont Progressive), Andrew Gillum/Cedric Richmond (Democratic Alternative) [32]
[1] Ford's second term would navigate America through an economic recession, giving the Democrats big gains in the mid-terms.
[2] Once New York came in, it was clear the President had done the impossible and won re-election (McCarthy getting on the ballot didn't help Carter).
[3] Jackson's hawkish foreign policies would be set by Defense Secretary Charlie Wilson.
[4] Bob Dole was too conservative, and 1980 was not a Republican year.
[5] Unfortunately, Jackson's old age would put Donald Stewart in the White House.
[6] The 43-year-old Stewart would moderate from Henry Jackson's New Deal domestic policy.
[7] Dan Quayle's youth and conservatism would lead him to be labeled "Bob Dole 2.0" by former White House Cheif of Staff Paul Wolfowitz.
[8] Moorhead's signature accomplishment would be balancing the budget, but his administration hadn't been the most successful, with the Republicans losing their majorities in 1992.
[9] President Stewart's campaign was overshadowed by the Texas billionaire, who's success influenced Moorhead's economic policies.
[10] Pat Moynihan wanted "a return to the days of Jackson", but the people were satisfied by the incumbent leadership. Another businessman, NeXT CEO Steve Jobs, ran on the pro-TM Natural Law ticket.
[11] The NLP worked out a deal with the Democrats who preferred the progressive conservative Scranton over the conservative D'Amato.
[12] Despite their association with TM, the country was in the mood for change, and the popular Governor and Senator gave that.
[13] Avoiding the controversial aspects of the party, Scranton worked with moderates and reformists from both parties.
[14] While Scranton's approval ratings were down, the major party nominees were unpopular as well.
[15] Hardy promised that he would be "a real conservative," being much more right-wing than Moorhead or Ford.
[16] Brown's much more left-wing views than Scranton lead some 2000 NLP voters to vote for Hardy.
[17] Goldhaber, Scranton's successor as Governor, didn't try to hide his pro-TM views, a move that some say cost him the election.
[18] Dern would move the NLP's ideology away from TM, a move that made the party more of a centrist party.
[19] The billionaire Justice was the wrong candidate to run during an economic recession.
[20] The Democrats actually made a strong performance in the election by working with the Alternative Party's nominee, James Mattis.
[21] Mattis would run similarly as to Henry Jackson, with a hawkish foreign policy and liberal domestic policy.
[22] For the first time since 1984, a candidate who wasn't a Republican or a Natural Lawist won. This was a result of Mattis' popularity along with Anderson's far-left views and Vitter's scandal.
[23] Mattis would be killed in a plane crash, leaving the liberal Merkley to take the baton.
[24] Without being a military hero like Mattis and not having many members of Congress, Merkley struggled to get his legislation passed.
[25] Merkley's peace talks in the Congo led him to win the Nobel Peace Prize posthumously.
[26] 2024 would provide no electoral majority, leading to a split party President and Vice President.
[27] Merkley would be killed by a terrorist while negotiating at a UN building.
[28] Gillibrand's presidency would be much more centrist than most Republicans, leaving many DAP members to switch parties.
[29] Schatz would fail to prevent a war along with an economic collapse.
[30] Gillibrand would win the popular vote while losing the electoral vote, cited by some as a result of Hill's campaign.
[31] The new President has been...., let's just say controversial.
[32] Spencer would take a narrow plurality in the electoral vote with the support of the West and the South.
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Let me guess the POD. The Civil War ends earlier and leads to a longer Reconstruction of the South. JP Morgan finances the Republican party, invests heavily in the South and bribes a lot of its politicians which helps him win the GOP nomination in 1880 and is elected President in a landslide. By the time that socialists are elected President in the 1910's, Southern whites rebel against continued Reconstruction and finally succeed when President Poindexter allows the former CSA and a few border states to secede.
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