Yes. Ferdinand II would still want that match and use it for annexing Navarre or trying to do it. Remember also who with a surviving Miguel and no Philip around (and that would likely change the birthdates of all his children after Isabella as OTL Ferdinand was conceived and born in Spain) Ferdinand would NOT remarry to Germaine (or anyone else) and so would keep power and influence in Castile until his death
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
- Thread starter Jonathan
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Well, this one will have to come in parts - first, England and the House of Grebein until 1400.
King Eystein I of Norway (1088-1123) >< Ingebjørg Guttormsdatter (c. 1100-?)
King Eystein I of Norway (1088-1123) >< Ingebjørg Guttormsdatter (c. 1100-?)
A1. Maria Eysteinsdóttir (c. 1120-?) >< Gudbrand Skavhoggsson (c. 1110-?)
B1. Olaf Gudbrandsson 'Ugjæva' (c. 1140-1169)
B2. Eystein Gudbrandsson 'Gråbein' (c. 1142-1207) >< Lady Alice of Prudhoe (c. 1160-1215)
C1. Gudbrand Gråbein (1180-1206)
C2. Gilbert Gråbein (1182-1192)
C3. King Harold V of England (1185-1234) >< Queen Eleanor of England (1190-1230)
D1. King Eystein I of England (1207-1272) >< Blanche of Aquitaine (1221-1278)
E1. King Edward IV of England (1239-1307)
E2. Blanche of England (1240-1275) >< King Alexander III of Scotland (1241-1283)
E3. Agnes of England (1242-1275) >< Duke Jean II of Brittany (1239-1305)
E4. Earl Edmund of Lancaster (1245-1296) >< a. Aveline of Albemarle (1258-1273) b. Blanche of Artois (1248-1302)
....F. Earls of Lancaster
E5. Catherine of England (1253-1257)
D2. Earl Olaf of Cornwall (1209-1272) >< a. Isabel Marshal (1200-1240) b. Sancha of Provence (1225-1261)
E1a. Harold of Cornwall (1232)
E2a. Isabel of Cornwall (1233-1234)
E3a. Eystein of Cornwall (1235-1271)
E4a. Nicholas of Cornwall (1240)
E5b. Earl Edmund of Cornwall (1249-1300) >< Margaret of Clare (1250-1312)
D3. Joan of England (1210-1238) >< King Alexander II of Scotland (1198-1249)
D4. Isabella of England (1214-1241) >< Emperor Friedrich II of Germany (1194-1250)
D5. Eleanor of England (1215-1275) >< a. Earl William of Pembroke (1190-1231) b. Earl Simon II of Leicester (1208-1273)
C4. Alice Gråbein (1187)
C5. Joan Gråbein (1191-1237) >< Prince Llywellyn I of Gwynedd (1173-1240)
C6. Olaf Gråbein (1192-1246)
King Edward IV of England (1239-1307) >< a. Eleanor of Castille (1241-1290) b. Margaret of France (1279-1318)A1a. Catherine of England (1261-1264)
A2a. Joan of England (1264)
A3a. King Eystein II of England (1266-1317) >< Catherine of Sweden (1268-1323)
B1. King Edward V of England (1287-1332) >< Isabelle of France (1295-1357)
C1. King Edward VI of England (1312-1377) >< Philippa of Hainaut (1315-1369)
D1. King Edward VII of England (1330-1380) >< Joan of Kent (1326-1385)
E1. Edward of England (1365-1370)
E2. King Edmund III of England (1366-1400) >< a. Joan of Brabant (1363-1388) b. Margaret of Burgundy (1374-1441)
D2. Isabella of England (1332-1382) >< Count Enguerrand V of Amiens (1340-1397)
D3. Joan of England (1334-1348)
D4. Eystein of England (1337)
D5. Duke Waldemar of Clarence (1338-1368)
D6. Duke John of Lancaster (1340-1399)
D7. Duke Edmund of York (1341-1402)
D8. Blanche of England (1342)
D9. Mary of England (1344-1361) >< Duke Jean IV of Brittany (1339-1399)
D10. Margaret of England (1346-1361) >< Earl John of Pembroke (1347-1375)
D11. Thomas of England (1347)
D12. William of England (1348)
D13. Duke Thomas of Gloucester (1355-1397) >< Countess Eleanor of Hereford (1366-1399)
E1. Earl Hunfrid of Buckingham (1381-1399)
E2. Anne of Gloucester (1383-1438) >< a. Earl Thomas of Stafford (1368-1392) b. Earl Edmund of Stafford (1377-1403)
E3. Joan of Gloucester (1384-1400)
E4. Isabella of Gloucester (1385-1421)
C2. Earl Waldemar of Cornwall (1316-1336)
C3. Eleanor of England (1318-1355) >< Duke Reginald II of Gelre (1295-1343)
C4. Joan of England (1321-1362) >< King David II of Scotland (1324-1371)
B2. Catherine of England (1290-1308)
B3. Eleanor of England (1292-1330) >< King Owain II of Wales (1280-1333)
B4. Margaret of England (1293)
B5. Earl Waldemar of York (1296-1333) >< Maud of Burgh (1297-1330)
A4a. Alphonso of England (1268-1274)
A5a. Eleanor of England (1269-1298) >< Count Henri III of Bar (1259-1302)
A6a. Joan of England (1272-1307) >< a. Earl Gilbert II of Gloucester (1243-1295) b. Earl Wiglaf of Gloucester (1270-1325)
A7a. Earl Henry of Chester (1273-1284) ]=[ Margaret of Holland (1276-1287)
A8a. Blanche of England (1275-1334) >< Duke Jan II of Brabant (1275-1312)
A9a. Berengaria of England (1276-1318)
A10a. Mary of England (1278-1331)
A11a. Elisabeth of England (1282-1316) >< a. Count Jan I of Holland (1284-1299) b. Earl Hunfrid III of Hereford (1276-1322)
A12a. King Edward I of Scotland (1282-1328) >< Queen Margaret of Scotland (1283-1348)
B1. Margaret of Scotland (1302-1327) >< Earl Robert of Carrick (1274-1329)
C1. Margaret of Carrick (1319-1346) >< Earl William IV of Sutherland (c. 1310-1370)
D1. John of Sutherland (1344-1361)
C2. Matilda of Carrick (1320-1353) >< Earl Patrick V of Dunbar (1285-1369)
C3. King David II of Scotland (1324-1371) >< a. Joan of England (1321-1362) b. Margaret Drummond (1340-1375)
C4. John of Carrick (1324-1326)
C5. Elisabeth of Carrick (1327-1362) >< Walter Oliphant (1318-1387)
B2. Edward of Scotland (1303-1312)
B3. Eystein of Scotland (1305-1308)
B4. Alexander of Scotland (1307-1321)
B5. Eleanor of Scotland (1309-1325)
B6. Eric of Scotland (1312-1340) >< Helvig of Norway (1320-1389)
C1. Margaret of Scotland (1339-1357) >< Robert I, High Steward of Scotland (1316-1390)
D1. Earl David of Strathearn (1357-1386) >< Euphemia Lindsay (1362-?)
E1. Countess Margaret of Strathearn (1383-1434) >< Patrick Graham (1382-1413)
....F. Earls of Menteith
B7. King Edward II of Scotland (1314-1363) >< Countess Agnes of Moray (1312-1369)
C1. Edward of Scotland (1333-1354) >< Euphemia of Ross (1329-1386)
C2. Agnes of Scotland (1336-1337)
C3. Thomas of Scotland (1338-1350)
A13b. Earl Thomas of Norfolk (1300-1338) >< a Alice of Hales (c. 1305-1330) b. Mary of Brewes (c. 1320-1362)
B1. Countess Margaret of Norfolk (1322-1399) >< a. Baron John II of Seagrave (1315-1353) b. Baron Walter of Masny (1310-1372)
C1a. Elisabeth of Seagrave (1338-?) >< Baron John III of Mowbray (1340-1368)
D. Earls of Norfolk (Mowbray)
C2a. John of Seagrave (1339-1353)
C3b. Baroness Anne of Masny (1355-1384) >< Earl John of Pembroke (1347-1375)
C4b. Thomas of Masny (1357-1362)
B2. Edward of Norfolk (1323-1334)
B3. Alice of Norfolk (1324-1352) >< Baron Amalric II of Saint-Amand (1315-1381)
A14b. Earl Edmund I of Kent (1301-1330) >< Margaret Wake (1297-1349)
B1. Earl Edmund II of Kent (1326-1331)
B2. Margaret of Kent (1327-1352)
B3. Joan of Kent (1326-1385) >< a. Earl Thomas I of Kent (1314-1360) b. Earl Gudred III of Man (1301-1344) c. King Edward VII of England (1330-1380)
C1a. Earl Thomas II of Kent (1350-1397) >< Alice of Surrey (1350-1416)
D1. Eleanor of Kent (1370-1405) >< a. Earl Roger III of March (1374-1398) b. Baron Edward Charleton (1371-1421)
D2. Earl Thomas III of Kent (1372-1400)
D3. John of Kent (1374-1394)
D4. Richard of Kent (1376-1396)
D5. Joan of Kent (1380-1434) >< a. Duke Edmund of York (1341-1402) b. Baron William Willoughby (1370-1409) c. Baron Henry Scrope (1373-1415)
D6. Earl Edmund III of Kent (1383-1408)
D7. Margaret of Kent (1385-1439) >< a. Earl John of Somerset (1373-1410) b. Duke Thomas of Clarence (1387-1421)
D8. Elisabeth of Kent (1388-1423) >< John Neville (1387-1420)
D9. Eleanor of Kent (1389-1413) >< Earl Magnus II of Man (1388-1428)
C2a. Duke John I of Exeter (1352-1400) >< Elisabeth of Lancaster (1363-1426)
D. Dukes of Exeter
C3a. Maud of Kent (1354-1392) >< a. Hugh of Courtenay (1345-1374) b. Count Waléran III of Ligny (1355-1415)
C4a. Joan of Kent (1356-1384) >< Duke Jean IV of Brittany (1339-1399)
B4. Earl John of Kent (1330-1352) >< Elisabeth of Jülich (1335-1411)
A15b. Eleanor of England (1306-1311)
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- Does England still conquer Wales?
- Has Spain been close to inheriting Portugal as of the late 16th century?
- Is the House of Valois still around at the end of the 16th century?
- Does Norway remain independent longer than in OTL?
- When did France inherit Brittany?
1. No.
2. At that point, just in the succession crisis of 1383.
3. Only the Alençon branch.
4. Yes, because it doesn't enter a personal union with Sweden.
5. 1515, when François I became King of France, since he was already married to the Duchess of Brittany by that point.
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Pretty unlikely as Catherine of Navarre had 6 girls of a good age for Miguel and three of them reached adulthood in OTL. And after them both Eleanor and Isabella of Austria would be likelier matches than Mary Tudor
Catherine had five sons but only two made it into adulthood, so it’s not impossible. As for Eleanor and Isabella, true, but I wanted Mary for Miguel so let’s just say dowry issues happen or Isabella of Portugal marries Charles V for that alliance.
Charles will NOT marry Isabella of Portugal (if she existed at all) or another ATL sister of Miguel as an English princess or Anne of Hungary are better and more useful matches for him. Mary to Miguel is extremely unlikely as she has no reason to be chosen over other better matches
Isabella of Castile still dies ittl and Manuel remarries to Maria of Aragon (that was the plan while Miguel ittl aiui), so Isabella still exists.
It renews the Anglo-Portuguese alliance and an alliance with Brittany which is well positioned to attack France in the Italian Wars. Plus, I just wanted an Englis match for Miguel in general, so…
Grebein (Clarence line)
Duke Waldemar of Clarence (1338-1368) >< a. Countess Elisabeth of Ulster (1332-1363) b. Violante Visconti (1354-1386)
Duke John of Lancaster (1340-1399) ><a. Blanche of Lancaster (1342-1368) b. Constance of Castille (1354-1394) c. Catherine Swynford (1349-1403)
Duke Waldemar of Clarence (1338-1368) >< a. Countess Elisabeth of Ulster (1332-1363) b. Violante Visconti (1354-1386)
A1a. Countess Philippa of Ulster (1355-1382) >< Earl Edmund of March (1352-1381)
B1. Elisabeth Mortimer (1371-1447) >< a. Henry Percy (1364-1403) b. Baron Thomas Camoys (1351-1421)
B2. Earl Roger III of March (1374-1398) >< Eleanor of Kent (1370-1405)
C1. Anne Mortimer (1388-1411) >< Earl Edmund of Cambridge (1385-1415)
C2. Earl Edmund II of March (1391-1425) >< Anne Stafford (c. 1400-1432)
C3. Roger Mortimer (1393-1413)
C4. Eleanor Mortimer (1395-1422) >< a. Edward of Courtenay (1385-1418) b. John Harpeden (c. 1390-1438)
B3. Philippa Mortimer (1375-1400) >< Earl John II of Pembroke (1372-1392)
B4. Edmund Mortimer (1376-1409) >< Catrin ferch Owain (1385-1413)
C1. Roger Mortimer (1408-1430) >< Constance Grey (1410-1447)
D1. Constance Mortimer (1429-1478) >< King Llywellyn IV of Wales (1423-1489)
Grebein (Lancaster line)Duke John of Lancaster (1340-1399) ><a. Blanche of Lancaster (1342-1368) b. Constance of Castille (1354-1394) c. Catherine Swynford (1349-1403)
A1a. Philippa of Lancaster (1360-1415) >< King João I of Portugal (1357-1433)
A2a. John of Lancaster (1362-1364)
A3a. Elisabeth of Lancaster (1363-1426) >< a. Earl John II of Pembroke (1372-1392) b. Duke John I of Exeter (1352-1400) c. Baron John Cornwall (1364-1443)
A4a. Edward of Lancaster (1365)
A5a. John of Lancaster (1366)
A6a. King Eystein III of England (1367-1413) >< Queen Margaret II of Denmark (1371-1424)
B1. King Eystein IV of England (1386-1422) >< Catherine of France (1401-1437)
B2. Duke Thomas of Clarence (1387-1421) >< Margaret of Kent (1385-1439)
B3. King Magnus I of England (1389-1435) >< a. Anne of Burgundy (1404-1432) b. Jacquetta of Saint-Pol (1415-1472)
C1a. King Eystein V of England (1421-1471) >< Margaret of Sweden (1430-1482)
D1. King Edward VIII of England (1453-1481) >< Anne Neville (1456-1485)
E1. King Edward IX of England (1473-1484)
C2a. Queen Margaret of England (1423-1495) >< Duke Edmund II of York (1411-1475)
B4. Duke Hacon of Gloucester (1390-1447) >< Eleanor Cobham (1400-1452)
B5. Blanche of England (1392-1409) >< Elector Palatine Walram III (1378-1436)
B6. Philippa of England (1394-1430) >< Duke Bogislaw VIII of Pomerania (1382-1459)
A7b. Catherine of Lancaster (1373-1418) >< King Enrique III of Castille (1379-1406)
A8b. John of Lancaster (1374-1375)
A9c. Earl John of Somerset (1373-1410) >< Margaret of Kent (1385-1439)
B1. Earl Eystein of Somerset (1401-1418)
B2. Earl John II of Somerset (1403-1444) >< Margaret Beauchamp (1410-1482)
C1. Margaret of Somerset (1443-1509) >< Earl Edmund of Rutland (1443-1476)
B3. Joan of Somerset (1404-1445) >< King Patrick I of Scotland (1390-1457)
B4. Thomas of Somerset (1405-1431)
B5. Earl Edmund of Somerset (1406-1462) >< Eleanor Beauchamp (1408-1467)
C. Earls of Somerset
B6. Margaret of Somerset (1409-1449) >< Earl Thomas of Devon (1414-1458)
A10c. Bishop Henry III of Winchester (1375-1447)
A11c. Earl Thomas of Dorset (1377-1426)
A12c. Joan of Lancaster (1379-1440) >< a. Baron Robert Ferrers of Wem (1373-1396) b. Earl Radulf of Westmorland (1364-1425)
Grebein (York line)
Duke Edmund I of York (1341-1402) >< a. Isabel of Castille (1355-1392) b. Joan of Kent (1380-1434)A1. Duke Edward I of York (1371-1421) >< Philippa Mohun (1367-1431)
A2. Constance of York (1374-1416) >< Earl Thomas of Gloucester (1373-1400)
A3. Earl Edmund of Cambridge (1385-1415) >< Anne Mortimer (1388-1411)
B1. Isabella of York (1409-1484) >< Earl Siward of Essex (1404-1483)
B2. Duke Edmund II of York (1411-1475) >< Queen Margaret of England (1423-1495)
C1. Anne of York (1440-1476) >< Duke Henry of Exeter (1430-1475)
C2. Duke Edward II of York (1442-1483) >< Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492)
D1. Elisabeth of York (1466-1503)
D2. Mary of York (1467-1482)
D3. Margaret of York (1469-1507) >< Viscount John Welles (1450-1498)
D4. Duke Edward III of York (1470-1486)
D5. Duke Richard of York (1473-1499) >< Elisabeth Tiptoft (1475-1531)
E1. Earl Edward of Worcester (1493-1509)
E2. Elisabeth of York (1498-1537)
D6. Anne of York (1475-1511) >< Earl Thomas III of Norfolk (1473-1554)
D7. Edmund of York (1477-1479)
D8. Catherine of York (1479-1527) >< Earl William of Devon (1457-1511)
D9. Bridget of York (1480-1507)
C3. Earl Edmund of Rutland (1443-1476) >< Margaret of Somerset (1443-1509)
D1. Margaret of Rutland (1462-1469)
D2. Anne of Rutland (1465-1474)
D3. Elisabeth of Rutland (1470)
C4. Elisabeth of York (1444-1503) >< Earl John of Suffolk (1442-1492)
C5. Margaret of York (1446-1503) >< King Charles V of Burgundy (1433-1486)
C6. Hacon of York (1447)
C7. Eric of York (1448)
C8. Duke George of Clarence (1449-1478) >< Isabel Neville (1451-1476)
D1. Margaret of Clarence (1473-1541)
D2. Earl Edward of Warwick (1475-1499)
C9. Thomas of York (1451)
C10. King Eystein VI of England (1452-1509) >< Gwenllian of Wales (1467-1533)
D1. Arthur of England (1486-1502)
D2. Margaret of England (1487-1541) >< King Alexander V of Scotland (1473-1538)
D3. King Eystein VII of England (1491-1547) >< a. Catherine of Castille (1485-1535) b. Anna of Bohemia (1515-1557)
E1a. Eystein of England (1511)
E3a. Mary of England (1516-1558) >< King Philippe IV of Burgundy (1527-1598)
E4b. Edward IV, Duke of York (1537-1553)
D4. Elisabeth of England (1492-1495)
D5. Edmund of England (1499-1500)
D6. Catherine of England (1503)
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Eleanor of Brittany m. Conrad II of Swabia d. 1200(a)[1] Louis VIII of France(b)
1a. Beatrice of Swabia b. 1199 m. Vratislav of Bohemia d. 1225(a) Wenceslaus I of Bohemia(b)
2a. Philippe III of France b. 1205 m. Alix of Donzy, Countess of Nevers
3a. Constance of France b. 1207 m. Frederick II of HRE
4a. Louis of France, Count of Poitiers b. 1212 m. Joanna of Toulouse
5a. Robert, Count of Artois b. 1214 m. Maria of Portugal, Countess of Flanders b. 1220
6a. Geoffrey, Count of Anjou b. 1216 m. Margaret I of Provence b. 1221
7a. Isabelle of France b. 1220 m. Henry I of Sicily
1.Assasinated due to him claiming Germany
1a. Beatrice of Swabia b. 1199 m. Vratislav of Bohemia d. 1225(a) Wenceslaus I of Bohemia(b)
2a. Philippe III of France b. 1205 m. Alix of Donzy, Countess of Nevers
3a. Constance of France b. 1207 m. Frederick II of HRE
4a. Louis of France, Count of Poitiers b. 1212 m. Joanna of Toulouse
5a. Robert, Count of Artois b. 1214 m. Maria of Portugal, Countess of Flanders b. 1220
6a. Geoffrey, Count of Anjou b. 1216 m. Margaret I of Provence b. 1221
7a. Isabelle of France b. 1220 m. Henry I of Sicily
1.Assasinated due to him claiming Germany
POD: Both Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn die in the Sweat outbreak of 1528. Henry also doesn't have a jousting accident and gets a couple extra years of life and fertility as a result.
Henry VIII of England (1491-1549) m. a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1528), b) Isabella of Navarre (1512-1566), has relationships with c) Elizabeth Blount (1500-1540), d) Jane Seymour (1508-1537), e) Catherine Howard (1523-1591)
[1] His older brother Francis dies before Henry's marriage to Catherine de Medici.
[2] Children of Philip II of Spain and Maria of Portugal, who doesn't become duchess of Viseu ITTL.
[3] Son of John III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria, died young OTL.
[4] Gender-swapped Joanna of Austria.
[5] Son of Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor and Maria of Austria, died young OTL.
[6] Son of William, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg and Catherine of Austria.
[7] Son of Charles III, Duke of Lorraine and Margaret of France.
[8] OTL Jane Grey.
[9] Granddaughter of George Boleyn.
[10] Thomas Cromwell isn't executed ITTL so his family keeps the earldom of Essex.
[11] ATL daughter of Margaret Clifford and Henry Stanley.
[12] Son of James V of Scotland and Mary of Guise, died young OTL.
Henry VIII of England (1491-1549) m. a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1528), b) Isabella of Navarre (1512-1566), has relationships with c) Elizabeth Blount (1500-1540), d) Jane Seymour (1508-1537), e) Catherine Howard (1523-1591)
1a) Stillborn daughter (1510)
2a) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (1511)
3a) Stillborn son (1513)
4a) Stillborn son (1514)
5a) Mary (1516-1558) m. Henry II of France (1519-1564) [1]
1) Catherine (1534-1601) m. Sigismund II of Poland (1520-1572)
2) Francis, Dauphin of France (1537-1551)
3) Claude (1539-1541)
4) Margaret (1542-1597) m. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (1543-1608)
5) Henry III of France (1544-1590) m. a) Isabella of Spain (1548-1573) [2], b) Joanna of Portugal (1556-1619)
6a) Stillborn daughter (1518)
7c) Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset (1519-1536) m. Mary Howard (1519-1557)
8b) Elizabeth (1530-1596) m. Manuel II of Portugal (1531-1572) [3]
1) Catherine (1549)
2) Isabella (1551-1554)
3) John IV of Portugal (1553-1609) m. Joanna of Spain (1555-1621) [2]
4) Joanna (1556-1619) m. Henry III of France (1544-1590)
5) Manuel (1558)
6) Afonso, Duke of Viseu (1560-1621) m. Margherita Gonzaga (1564-1618)
7) Maria (1563-1635) m. Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy (1562-1630)
9b) Edward VI of England (1531-1590) m. Maria of Austria (1531-1581)
1) Henry IX of England (1548-1612) m. Eleanor of Spain (1550-1606) [2]
2) Isabella (1550-1617) m. a) Carlos, Prince of Asturias (1545-1568), Philip III of Spain (1553-1610) [2]
3) Anne (1551)
4) Edward, Duke of Richmond (1553-1615) m. Mary Tudor, Countess of Arundel (1558-1623)
5) Mary (1555-1563)
6) Edmund (1557-1558)
7) William, Duke of Somerset (1560-1629) m. Catherine of Navarre (1559-1604)
8) Catherine (1562-1563)
10b) Henry (1532-1533)
11b) Anne (1534-1577) m. John, Duke of Burgundy (1535-1566) [4]
1) Charles (1551-1562)
2) Isabella, Duchess of Burgundy (1553-1611) m. Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (1551-1603) [5]
3) Anne (1554-1620) m. Charles Frederick, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (1553-1607) [6]
4) John (1556-1558)
5) Margaret (1557-1599) m. Albert Frederick, Duke of Prussia (1553-1618)
6) Joanna (1559)
7) Stillborn son (1560)
8) Philip, Duke of Burgundy (1562-1567)
9) Mary (1564-1629) m. Henry II, Duke of Lorraine (1560-1624) [7]
12b) Margaret (1536)
13d) Thomas Fitzroy, Duke of Pembroke (1537-1553)
14b) John, Duke of York and Suffolk (1538-1603) m. Isabella Grey (1537-1595) [8]
1) Henry, Earl of Lincoln (1556-1592) m. Anne Boleyn (1556-1618) [9]
2) Edward (1558)
3) Isabella (1560-1564)
4) John, Marquess of Dorset (1563-1621) m. Margaret Howard (1562-1591)
5) Catherine (1565-1622) m. George Clifford, Earl of Cumberland (1558-1605)
6) Mary (1567)
7) Charles (1569-1570)
8) Eleanor (1572-1617)
15b) Edmund, Duke of Somerset (1539-1560) m. Mary FitzAlan (1540-1558)
1) Mary, Countess of Arundel (1558-1623) m. Edward Tudor, Duke of Richmond (1553-1615)
16b) Stillborn son (1541)
17e) Catherine Fitzroy (1542-1595) m. Henry Cromwell, Earl of Essex (1538-1592) [10]
1) Edward, Earl of Essex (1560-1627) m. Frances Stanley (1561-1614) [11]
2) Cecily (1562-1565)
18b) Cecily (1543-1599) m. James VI of Scotland (1540-1588) [12]
1) James, Duke of Rothesay (1560-1561)
2) Stillborn daughter (1562)
3) Robert IV of Scotland (1565-1632) m. Anna Vasa (1568-1625)
4) Mary (1567)
5) Stillborn son (1570)
[1] His older brother Francis dies before Henry's marriage to Catherine de Medici.
[2] Children of Philip II of Spain and Maria of Portugal, who doesn't become duchess of Viseu ITTL.
[3] Son of John III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria, died young OTL.
[4] Gender-swapped Joanna of Austria.
[5] Son of Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor and Maria of Austria, died young OTL.
[6] Son of William, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg and Catherine of Austria.
[7] Son of Charles III, Duke of Lorraine and Margaret of France.
[8] OTL Jane Grey.
[9] Granddaughter of George Boleyn.
[10] Thomas Cromwell isn't executed ITTL so his family keeps the earldom of Essex.
[11] ATL daughter of Margaret Clifford and Henry Stanley.
[12] Son of James V of Scotland and Mary of Guise, died young OTL.
I am not sure about it. With a surviving Miguel is far likelier seeing Maria married to Vladislaus II of Hungary and Joanna of Naples (Ferdinand II’s widowed niece) as second wife for Manuel. Keep in mind who in OTL Manuel remarried to Maria only three months after Miguel’s death
English match for Miguel is extremely unlikely in my opinion as the alliance is not so valuable and Trastamaras and Avis more often than not married close relatives
- How did Magnus became King of England and how long did he reign for?
- When was Wales unified?
- Any European countries that converted to Protestantism and stuck to it?
- What happened to Edward IX of England?
- Is Scotland culturally closer to Ireland than in OTL?
Could also use butterflies to prevent the earldoms of Bedford and Rutland being alienated from the royal domain so have an extra title or two, I suspect that by the 1560s,Somerset might have a curse associated with it similar to York OTL
Maria of Sicily m. John Palaiologos of Montferrat(a)
1a. John I of Sicily b. 1483 m. Joanna II of Naples
1a. John I of Sicily b. 1483 m. Joanna II of Naples
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England's still a good alliance and Mary would be a beautiful bride with a good dowry, so I fail to see the issue
She is the younger daughter of an upstart King… Eleanor would bring better connections, alliance and dowry (and she is sister/daughter of Miguel’s heir(ess) presumptive) than Mary while Ferdinand II would strongly ask for a Navarrese match for his grandson (and denying him that would NOT be a great idea when Aragon is the only Kingdom who Miguel is NOT guaranteed to inherit).
......heir of his firstborn vs. whom exactly? Why isn't he guaranteed Aragon (especially as Ferdinand would NOT want to break the union with Castile)?
1. Normal sucession - i made a mistake on the tree - Eystein V and Margaret were Magnus' children, not Eystein IV's.
2. The 13th century. It doesn't control all of OTL Wales, though - Monmouthshire and Glamorgan remain under English control, and in any case, Wales tends to be allied to England.
3. Sweden, Norway, Scotland, Prussia and Denmark.
4. Died of natural causes.
5. Somewhat - Gaelic still remains widely spoken in the Highlands.
I presume that might be because he descends through the female line, but the only alternative is the duke of Segorbe.
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