List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[King of Danes]

it seems a bit silly to waste a potential matches (since I could definitely see Leopold I/Joseph I being more interested in a match with Charlotte/one of Catherine's daughters) for a "perhaps" that might not come to pass. And then there's the problem as Catherine the Great mentioned with large families (in her case, why she originally refused Sophie Dorothea of Württemberg, in this case, the Hesse-Kassels)...the younger sons tend to arrive and expect to freeload off their sister's good fortune.

Well, at least Joseph's son ends up with one of Catherine's daughters

What I could see - instead of a Charlotte to Edgar match - is Charlotte marrying Friedrich August "Gustien" of Hannover, George I's younger brother, who's motherdear sent him to England in the hopes of him being matched with either the Princess Anne or potentially earmarked as Prince Rupert's heir OTL. Since Rupert is unlikely to have his marriage prospects affected by the POD, Gustien's arrival in England could be an interesting match for Charlotte. And, by the time Gustien arrived OTL, Catherine already has a son, so it could be seen as "a decent match". Besides, in looks, Gustien was apparently a 6ft dreamboat...

Hmmm, that could also have been interesting yeah. One could chalk it up to James, Duke of York, being leader of the regency council so he plays some favouritism with his sons and lands them both Princesses? It's not like they get much of of Gustien of Hanover as a match?

in which case Sobieski's widow would need to be dead, her intrigues and favouritism of her younger son/son-in-law were part of what cost Kuba the election OTL. Alternately, getting Kuba married to Ludwika Radziwillowna could help (although I'm not sure having a Protestant queen, no matter how rich, would help).

Sobieski dying by falling down the stairs or something in 1696 could work. That triggers Jan's heart attack and he dies as well. Let's go with that

could easily take Diana de Vere. After all, with each nephew of his that's born, he'd move further back in the succession and less likely to inherit. If Diana is too young (she was born in 1679, after all), you could always have the 20th Earl's marriage to Hester Davenport acknowledged and the Earl's son, Aubrey (b.1664) born a daughter instead.

Or you could have the last duke of Lennox produce a daughter with his third wife, Frances Stewart. Or you could have the 2e duke of Buckingham have a daughter by his wife (who was Lady of the Bedchamber to Catherine of Braganza, not to mention promised the governess-ship of any legitimate children Charles II would have OTL). Lots of potential heiresses

It's Edgar 2nd duke of Cambridge (born 1700) I'm looking for an heiress for. So we're talking one born in roughly 1695-1710 ish - Edit: A match has been found now

then perhaps Sobieski's daughter marries her Danish prince like was proposed at one point? Think it was Frederik IV's brother but can't recall which one.

I do have a Danish-Polish match in mind I'll post the addendum in a few min

 

[King of Danes]

A Thriving House of Stuart - Danish Addendum (Original Post on Page 489)

Christian V of Denmark-Norway (b. 1646) m. Charlotte Amalie of Hesse-Kassel (b. 1650) in 1667 – Had Issue

1. Frederick IV of Denmark-Norway (b. 1671) m. Maria of Orange (b. 1678) in 1695 – Had Issue
-1a) Miscarriage (1696)
-1b) Christian VI of Denmark-Norway (b. 1698) m. Catherine Charlotte, Princess Royal of Albion (b. 1698) in 1715 – Had Issue
-1c) Charlotte Marie, Queen of Sweden (b. 1700) m. Charles XIII of Sweden (b. 1700)*1 in 1719 – Had Issue
-1d) Stillborn Daughter (1701)
-1e) Frederik Christian (b. 1703) m. Luise Dorothea of Hesse-Kassel (b. 1705)*2 in 1721 – Had Issue
-1f) Frederikke Amalie, Queen of Poland-Lithuania (b. 1705) m. John IV of Poland-Lithuania (b. 1698)*3 in 1722 – Had Issue
-1g) Miscarriage (1706)
-1h) Vilhelm (b. 1708) m. Maria Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1711) in 1728 – Had Issue
-1i) Stillborn Son (b. 1709)
-1j) Anna Sophie, Electress of Hanover (b. 1712) m. Carl I, Elector of Hanover (b. 1705)*4 in 1729 – Had Issue

2. Christian Vilhelm (1672-1673)

3. Christian (b. 1675)*5 m. Dorothea Henriette of Sønderborg-Beck (b. 1678) in 1698 – Had Issue
-3a) Miscarriage (1699)
-3b) Stillborn Son (1701)
-3c) Christian August (1703-1708)
-3d) Stillborn Daughter (1705)
-3e) Miscarriage (1706)
-3f) Miscarriage (1708)
-3g) Maria Dorothea (b. 1711) m. Vilhelm of Denmark (b. 1708) in 1728 – Had Issue
-3h) Miscarriage (1713)
-3i) Stillborn Son (1714)

4. Sophie Hedevig, Duchess of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1677) m. Frederick William I, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1675) in 1700 – No Issue

5. Christiane Charlotte, Queen of Albion (b. 1679) m. Charles III of Albion (b. 1680) in 1696 – Had Issue
-5a) Catherine Charlotte, Princess Royal, Queen of Denmark-Norway (b. 1698) m. Christian VI of Denmark-Norway (b. 1698) in 1715 – Had Issue
-5b) Miscarriage (1700)
-5c) James, Prince of Wales (1702-1717)*6
-5d) Stillborn Son (1703)
-5e) Christina, Queen of France (b. 1706) m. Louis XVI of France (b. 1707)*7 in 1723 – Had Issue
-5f) Charles IV of Albion (b. 1708) m. Lady Diana Spencer (b. 1710) in 1728*8 – Had Issue
-5g) Anne Amelia (1710-1711)

6. Carl (b. 1680) – Never Married

7. Stillborn Daughter (1683)

8. Vilhelm (b. 1687) – Never Married

*1 The father of otl's Peter III of Russia - Here, he inherits Sweden from his uncle due to Ulrika Eleonora and her husband not being around to claim it
*2 The stillborn daughter of otl's Frederick I of Sweden and his first wife lives ttl and so does her mother (at least for another kid or two) which means that Frederick isn't around to marry Ulrika
*3 The son of otl's Jakob Sobieski who inherits the throne from his father. They marry after ttl's version of the Great Northern War
*4 The son of Catherine, Princess Royal and George II of Hanover. Named Carl since I imagined that George had no desire for his son to share name with his father ttl either and thus this name is chosen since it's used in both families
*5 Christian perhaps tries to claim the Polish throne but fails and marries a love match in Denmark (A girl from the distant lesser branches of the Oldenburg line) - He is a competent general and later helps Denmark do better in the Great Northern War
*6 James sadly dies of a disease at age 15 leading to his younger brother becoming heir
*7 So, ttl Louis dies of his anal fistula and the grand dauphin becomes Louis XV and rules until ~1720. Le Petit Dauphin still dies of measles alongside his wife BUT both of their sons is rescued from the measles and grow up together. France is spared otl's Louis XV
*8 I lowkey highkey think this is brilliant heh. We have a Prince Charles married to a Diana Spencer 250 years earlier and with a much happier result. It almost happened otl with her and Frederick, Prince of Wales as well, so in ttl it's yet another example of passionate Stuart elopement

@VVD0D95 @Kellan Sullivan @The_Most_Happy @TheBeanieBaron

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

It's not like they get much of of Gustien of Hanover as a match?

I wouldn't say Gustien gets them nothing. To be sure, he's not "wonderful" as a match, but he has connections to France and Vienna through his cousin/aunt, Benedikte, sister of both the princesse de Condé and wife to Emperor Joseph I's tutor, the Prince de Salm. Gustien's sister is queen of Prussia - bringing them into contact with the Hohenzollern network as well, his brother is serving in the imperial army and a close friend of Joseph I

 

[kasumigenx]

Catherine, Queen of Scotland and England b. 1560 m. Ferdinand, 5th Earl of Derby(a)

1a. James Stanley, Count of Rothesay b. 1580

 

[Cate13]

POD - Edward IV follows Warwick’s advice and adopts a pro-French policy. Burgundy becomes pro-Lancaster and Edward of Westminster accidentally becomes the Duke of Burgundy.

Edward of Lancaster, Duke of Burgundy and King-Claimant of England (1453-1489) m. Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (1457-1509), had issue

1. Philippe, Duke of Burgundy (1475–1518) m. Joan, Duchess of Lorraine (1477-1539) [1]​

2. Lady Marguerite of Burgundy (1477-1531) m. King Edward V of England (1470-1520) [2]​

3. Édouard, Count of Brabant (1479-1542) m. Charlotte d’Albret (1480-1514) [3]​

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A little more context: In the 1470s, as part of Charles’s now pro-Lancastrian foreign policy, he betrothes Mary to the exiled Edward of Westminster. Suddenly, Charles dies of [insert convenient death], the estate needs Mary to marry asap and the young Duchess has fallen in love with the English Prince. So, the two marry and manage to survive thanks to the also convenient death of Louis XI. The two plot to reclaim England but over time Mary tires of Edward’s constant failed attempts. She tries to get him to be content with what they have and to focus on expanding their realm, even going as far to suggest they recognise Edward IV as King. Wesminster doesn’t listen the two become estranged from each other, with any love that they had being lost by Edward’s death.

[1] Alt daughter of Jeanne of Lorraine and Charles IV. The girl is in Lorraine when her mother dies and her father marries her to Philippe to secure the inheritance.
[2] Edward still marries Elizabeth Woodville, but does heed Warwick’s advice and makes a French alliance, hence Edward V is still born here. The two are married in 1489/1490, after Edward’s death. It’s part of Mary’s attempts to gain England as an ally to ward off the French.
[3] Not sure about this match, please suggest an alternative bride if you have any.

Also, yes, I know it’s a little asb.

I like it. There’s a lot of very interesting interpersonal relationships and I’d love to see the effect a more serious Lancaster threat has on the Yorks. Also how the Habsburgs do without Burgundy.

And I don’t think it’s that much more ASB then an English king marrying 6 times and cutting two Queen’s heads off, and that happened, so 🤷🏻‍♀️

 

[RedKing]

There’s a lot of very interesting interpersonal relationships

There is. I can see part of Edward’s hamartia (wanting England) being spawned from Margaret of Anjou pushing for him to do so (even on her death bed), while Mary tries to tell Edward to be content with what he has but to no avail.

I’d love to see the effect a more serious Lancaster threat has on the Yorks.

Edward IV probably wouldn’t eat himself to death anyways. He’d probably be less tolerant of any potential threats to his reign (George, *cough* *cough*).

Also how the Habsburgs do without Burgundy.

They’d probably focus on getting Bohemia or Hungary more. Also, I was thinking that Maximilian may remarry to the widowed Mary of Burgundy.

And I don’t think it’s that much more ASB then an English king marrying 6 times and cutting two Queen’s heads off, and that happened, so 🤷🏻‍♀️

Fair, especially when you take into account the whole issue over the Great Matter.

 

[Mildtryth]

Formbach

Meinhard I (c. 880-930) Count in Traungau

A1. Meinhard II, Count in Traungau (c. 910-963)​

B1. House of Wels-Lambach​

A2. Count Ulrich I of Lurngau (c. 915-970)​

B1. Count Berthold of Lurngau (c. 945-1005)​

C1. Meinhard III, Count in Traungau (c. 975-1030)​

C2. Pilgrim of Formbach (c. 977-?)​

C3. Thiemo I, Count in Künziggau (c. 980-1050)​

D1. Count Heinrich I of Formbach (1000-1046) >< Himiltrud (c. 1005)​

E1. Himiltrud of Formbach (c. 1033-1070)​

E2. Tuta of Formbach (1037-1100) >< a. King Béla I of Hungary (c. 1015-1063) b. Engelbert, Count in Pustertal​

D2. Thiemo II, Count in Künziggau (c. 1002-1040) >< Gisela of Brunswick (c. 1010-?)​

E1. Count Egbert I of Pitten (1030-1109) >< Countess Mathilde of Pitten (1050-1090)​

...F. Counts of Pitten​

E2. Bruno, Count in Künziggau (1032-1066)​

E3. Count Heinrich II of Formbach (1035-1070) >< Adelaide of Sulzbach (1045-1090)​

E4. Count Thiemo III of Formbach (1040-1102)​

D3. Count Meinhard IV of Windberg (1022-1066)​

E1. Count Ulrich III of Ratelnberg (1050-1107) >< Matilde of Vohburg (c. 1070-1125)​

...F1. Konrad of Windberg (c. 1090-1121)​

E2. Count Meinhard V of Windberg (1053-1097) >< Matilda of Reinhausen (1060-?)​

...F1. Margrave Herman II of Meissen (1083-1137)​

...F2. Bishop Dietrich II of Münster (1084-1127)​

E3. Ida of Formbach (1055-1101) >< Margrave Leopold II of Austria (1055-1095)​

E4. Sophia of Formbach (1057-1098) >< Count Herman I of Salm (1042-1088)​

...F. House of Salm​

D4. Count Ulrich II of Formbach (c. 1025-1055)​

D5. Pilgrim of Formbach (c. 1027-1066)​

D6. Friedrich of Formbach (c. 1029-1060) >< Gertrude of Haldensleben (1040-1116)​

E1. Hedwig of Formbach (1058-1092) >< Count Gebhard of Süpplingenburg (1040-1075)​

...F1. Ida of Süpplingenburg (1074-1138)​

...F2. Emperor Lothar III of Germany (1075-1137)​

​

Margrave Herman II of Meissen (1083-1137) >< a. Adelaide of Everstein (c. 1085-1110) b. Hedwig of Regensburg (1090-1162)

A1a. Sophia of Winzenburg (1105-1160) >< Margrave Albert I of Brandenburg (1098-1170)​

B. Margraves of Brandenburg (Ascanian)​

A2b. Count Herman II of Winzenburg (1112-1152) >< a. Elisabeth of Austria (1124-1143) b. Lutgard of Salzwedel (c. 1125-1152)​

A3b. Matilda of Winzenburg (1113-1158) >< Margrave Udo IV of Nordmark (1110-1130)​

B1b. Elisabeth of Winzenburg (1149-1204) >< Count Heinrich I of Schwarzburg (1130-1184)​

A4b. Count Heinrich of Assel (1115-1146) >< Euphemia of Vohburg (1120-1143)​

B1. Count Otto of Assel (1140-1174) >< Salomea of Heinsberg (1145-1185)​

C1. Count Heinrich of Winzenburg (1170-1236) >< Beatrice of Holland (1175-1226)​

D1. Count Otto of Winzenburg (1198-1245) >< Beatrice of Swabia (1198-1223)​

E1. Count Herman III of Winzenburg (1220-1255)​

E2. Beatrice of Winzenburg (1221-1231)​

E3. King Friedrich III of Germany (1223-1272)​

A5b. Abbess Beatrix II of Quedlinburg (c. 1120-1160)​

King Friedrich III of Germany (1223-1272) >< a. Gertrude of Thuringia (1227-1297) b. Catherine Angelina (1258-1294)

A1a. Landgrave Herman III of Thuringia (1260-1282) >< Ermengarde of Schwarzburg (1262-1313)​

B1. Landgrave Friedrich II of Thuringia (1281-1316) >< Kunigunde of Henneberg (1292-1347)​

C1. Landgrave Herman IV of Thuringia (1313-1324)​

B2. Landgrave Ludwig V of Thuringia (1283-1338) >< Agnes of Habsburg (1281-1364)​

C1. Irmgard of Thuringia (1303-1321)​

C2. Landgrave Herman V of Thuringia (1305-1365) >< Elisabeth of Hesse (1310-1373)​

D1. Elisabeth of Thuringia (1330-1373)​

D2. Agnes of Thuringia (1331-1360) >< Duke Bolko II of Opole (1299-1356)​

D3. Landgrave Friedrich III of Thuringia (1332-1381) >< Catherine of Henneberg (1334-1397)​

E1. Landgrave Herman VI of Thuringia (1357-1389) >< Elisabeth of Hesse (1360-1385)​

...F1. Landgrave Otto II of Thuringia (1384-1409) >< Margaret of Nuremberg (1393-1415)​

E2. Elisabeth of Thuringia (1360-1423) >< Duke Heinrich VIII of Carinthia (1351-1415)​

E3. Catherine of Thuringia (1362-1411)​

E4. Friedrich of Thuringia (1364-1365)​

E5. Agnes of Thuringia (1367-1390) >< Duke Wilhelm I of Swabia (1370-1406)​

E6. Landgrave Ludwig VI of Thuringia (1371-1425) >< a. Elisabeth of Anhalt-Zerbst (1374-1409) b. Amelia of Masovia (1397-1434)​

.....F1a. Landgrave Heinrich II of Thuringia (1397-1430) >< Magdalena of Blankenburg (1399-1441)​

........G1. Elisabeth of Thuringia (1421-1442)​

.........G2. Ludwig of Thuringia (1424-1428)​

.........G3. Heinrich of Thuringia (1426)​

....F2b. Friedrich of Thuringia (1415-1419)​

....F3b. Landgrave Ludwig VII of Thuringia (1417-1469) >< Anna of Saxony (1422-1475)​

.........G1. Amelia of Thuringia (1438-1480) >< Duke Sigismund of Austria (1427-1496)​

.........G2. Landgrave Herman VIII of Thuringia (1439-1469) >< Anna of Nuremberg (1450-1482)​

.........G3. Landgrave Friedrich V of Thuringia (1442-1484) >< Maria of Schwarzburg (1443-1502)​

.............H1. Landgrave Ludwig VIII of Thuringia (1466-1533)​

.............H2. Maria of Thuringia (1477-1556) >< Count Werner V of Falkenstein (1476-1528)​

.........G4. Anna of Thuringia (1445-1510) >< Burgrave Berthold I of Nuremberg (1414-1486)​

...F4b. Amelia of Thuringia (1420-1449)​

...F5b. Elisabeth of Thuringia (1424-1450) >< Prince Albert VI of Anhalt-Köthen (1419-1475)​

E7. Margaret of Thuringia (1374-1429) >< King Stephen VI of Hungary (1365-1417)​

D4. Landgrave Herman VII of Thuringia (1340-1368) >< Anna of the Palatinate (1346-1415)​

C3. Ludwig of Thuringia, Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights (1307-1355)​

C4. Agnes of Thuringia (1310-1323)​

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

Formbach

Meinhard I (c. 880-930) Count in Traungau

A1. Meinhard II, Count in Traungau (c. 910-963)​

B1. House of Wels-Lambach​

A2. Count Ulrich I of Lurngau (c. 915-970)​

B1. Count Berthold of Lurngau (c. 945-1005)​

C1. Meinhard III, Count in Traungau (c. 975-1030)​

C2. Pilgrim of Formbach (c. 977-?)​

C3. Thiemo I, Count in Künziggau (c. 980-1050)​

D1. Count Heinrich I of Formbach (1000-1046) >< Himiltrud (c. 1005)​

E1. Himiltrud of Formbach (c. 1033-1070)​

E2. Tuta of Formbach (1037-1100) >< a. King Béla I of Hungary (c. 1015-1063) b. Engelbert, Count in Pustertal​

D2. Thiemo II, Count in Künziggau (c. 1002-1040) >< Gisela of Brunswick (c. 1010-?)​

E1. Count Egbert I of Pitten (1030-1109) >< Countess Mathilde of Pitten (1050-1090)​

...F. Counts of Pitten​

E2. Bruno, Count in Künziggau (1032-1066)​

E3. Count Heinrich II of Formbach (1035-1070) >< Adelaide of Sulzbach (1045-1090)​

E4. Count Thiemo III of Formbach (1040-1102)​

D3. Count Meinhard IV of Windberg (1022-1066)​

E1. Count Ulrich III of Ratelnberg (1050-1107) >< Matilde of Vohburg (c. 1070-1125)​

...F1. Konrad of Windberg (c. 1090-1121)​

E2. Count Meinhard V of Windberg (1053-1097) >< Matilda of Reinhausen (1060-?)​

...F1. Margrave Herman II of Meissen (1083-1137)​

...F2. Bishop Dietrich II of Münster (1084-1127)​

E3. Ida of Formbach (1055-1101) >< Margrave Leopold II of Austria (1055-1095)​

E4. Sophia of Formbach (1057-1098) >< Count Herman I of Salm (1042-1088)​

...F. House of Salm​

D4. Count Ulrich II of Formbach (c. 1025-1055)​

D5. Pilgrim of Formbach (c. 1027-1066)​

D6. Friedrich of Formbach (c. 1029-1060) >< Gertrude of Haldensleben (1040-1116)​

E1. Hedwig of Formbach (1058-1092) >< Count Gebhard of Süpplingenburg (1040-1075)​

...F1. Ida of Süpplingenburg (1074-1138)​

...F2. Emperor Lothar III of Germany (1075-1137)​

​

Margrave Herman II of Meissen (1083-1137) >< a. Adelaide of Everstein (c. 1085-1110) b. Hedwig of Regensburg (1090-1162)

A1a. Sophia of Winzenburg (1105-1160) >< Margrave Albert I of Brandenburg (1098-1170)​

B. Margraves of Brandenburg (Ascanian)​

A2b. Count Herman II of Winzenburg (1112-1152) >< a. Elisabeth of Austria (1124-1143) b. Lutgard of Salzwedel (c. 1125-1152)​

A3b. Matilda of Winzenburg (1113-1158) >< Margrave Udo IV of Nordmark (1110-1130)​

B1b. Elisabeth of Winzenburg (1149-1204) >< Count Heinrich I of Schwarzburg (1130-1184)​

A4b. Count Heinrich of Assel (1115-1146) >< Euphemia of Vohburg (1120-1143)​

B1. Count Otto of Assel (1140-1174) >< Salomea of Heinsberg (1145-1185)​

C1. Count Heinrich of Winzenburg (1170-1236) >< Beatrice of Holland (1175-1226)​

D1. Count Otto of Winzenburg (1198-1245) >< Beatrice of Swabia (1198-1223)​

E1. Count Herman III of Winzenburg (1220-1255)​

E2. Beatrice of Winzenburg (1221-1231)​

E3. King Friedrich III of Germany (1223-1272)​

A5b. Abbess Beatrix II of Quedlinburg (c. 1120-1160)​

King Friedrich III of Germany (1223-1272) >< a. Gertrude of Thuringia (1227-1297) b. Catherine Angelina (1258-1294)

A1a. Landgrave Herman III of Thuringia (1260-1282) >< Ermengarde of Schwarzburg (1262-1313)​

B1. Landgrave Friedrich II of Thuringia (1281-1316) >< Kunigunde of Henneberg (1292-1347)​

C1. Landgrave Herman IV of Thuringia (1313-1324)​

B2. Landgrave Ludwig V of Thuringia (1283-1338) >< Agnes of Habsburg (1281-1364)​

C1. Irmgard of Thuringia (1303-1321)​

C2. Landgrave Herman V of Thuringia (1305-1365) >< Elisabeth of Hesse (1310-1373)​

D1. Elisabeth of Thuringia (1330-1373)​

D2. Agnes of Thuringia (1331-1360) >< Duke Bolko II of Opole (1299-1356)​

D3. Landgrave Friedrich III of Thuringia (1332-1381) >< Catherine of Henneberg (1334-1397)​

E1. Landgrave Herman VI of Thuringia (1357-1389) >< Elisabeth of Hesse (1360-1385)​

...F1. Landgrave Otto II of Thuringia (1384-1409) >< Margaret of Nuremberg (1393-1415)​

E2. Elisabeth of Thuringia (1360-1423) >< Duke Heinrich VIII of Carinthia (1351-1415)​

E3. Catherine of Thuringia (1362-1411)​

E4. Friedrich of Thuringia (1364-1365)​

E5. Agnes of Thuringia (1367-1390) >< Duke Wilhelm I of Swabia (1370-1406)​

E6. Landgrave Ludwig VI of Thuringia (1371-1425) >< a. Elisabeth of Anhalt-Zerbst (1374-1409) b. Amelia of Masovia (1397-1434)​

...F1a. Landgrave Heinrich II of Thuringia (1397-1430) >< Magdalena of Blankenburg (1399-1441)​

.....G1. Elisabeth of Thuringia (1421-1442)​

......G2. Ludwig of Thuringia (1424-1428)​

......G3. Heinrich of Thuringia (1426)​

...F2b. Friedrich of Thuringia (1415-1419)​

...F3b. Landgrave Ludwig VII of Thuringia (1417-1469) >< Anna of Saxony (1422-1475)​

......G1. Amelia of Thuringia (1438-1480) >< Duke Sigismund of Austria (1427-1496)​

......G2. Landgrave Herman VII of Thuringia (1439-1469) >< Anna of Nuremberg (1450-1482)​

......G3. Landgrave Friedrich V of Thuringia (1442-1484) >< Maria of Schwarzburg (1443-1502)​

.........H1. Landgrave Ludwig VIII of Thuringia (1466-1533)​

...F4b. Amelia of Thuringia (1420-1449)​

...F5b. Elisabeth of Thuringia (1424-1450) >< Prince Albert VI of Anhalt-Köthen (1419-1475)​

D4. Landgrave Herman VI of Thuringia (1340-1368) >< Anna of the Palatinate (1346-1415)​

C3. Ludwig of Thuringia, Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights (1307-1355)​

C4. Agnes of Thuringia (1310-1323)​

1. How did Friedrich III become King of Germany?
2. How are there two Landgraves of Thuringia named Herman VI?
3. Did Friedrich II and Ludwig V co-ruled Thuringia together?
4. Is the Despotate of Morea still around as of the 16th century?
5. Does England have close ties to Scandinavia in TTL?

 

[eliamartin65]

Also, I was thinking that Maximilian may remarry to the widowed Mary of Burgundy

I'll be accepting this as my headcanon.....

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Isabella, Princess of Asturias (b. 1470) m. Alfonso, Prince of Portugal (b. 1475)

1) Maria I, Queen of Portugal, Castile and Aragon (b. 1491) m. Alfonso de Aragón y Portugal (b. 1489)

 

[Mildtryth]

1. How did Friedrich III become King of Germany?
2. How are there two Landgraves of Thuringia named Herman VI?
3. Did Friedrich II and Ludwig V co-ruled Thuringia together?
4. Is the Despotate of Morea still around as of the 16th century?
5. Does England have close ties to Scandinavia in TTL?

1. Being elected after William II of Holland's death. He wasn't necessarily uncontested at the time of his election - Alfonso X of Castille was elected by the electors who had supported Conrad IV, and Frederick was elected by William's old supporters in opposition to Alfonso. But Alfonso never even went to Germany and Frederick wound up ruling almost uncontested, and after Rudolf of Habsburg's election, Alfonso would give up his claim on the Empire entirely.
2. I messed up on the count.
3. Yes.
4. Yes, but only holding up thanks to Sicilian and Venetian support.
5. Yes.

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

A Thriving House of Stuart - Danish Addendum

Christian V of Denmark-Norway (b. 1646) m. Charlotte Amalie of Hesse-Kassel (b. 1650) in 1667 – Had Issue

1. Frederick IV of Denmark-Norway (b. 1671) m. Maria of Orange (b. 1678) in 1695 – Had Issue
-1a) Miscarriage (1696)
-1b) Christian VI of Denmark-Norway (b. 1698) m. Catherine Charlotte, Princess Royal of Albion (b. 1698) in 1715 – Had Issue
-1c) Charlotte Maria, Queen of Sweden (b. 1700) m. Charles XIII of Sweden (b. 1700)*1 in 1719 – Had Issue
-1d) Stillborn Daughter (1701)
-1e) Frederik Christian (b. 1703) m. Luise Dorothea of Hesse-Kassel (b. 1705)*2 in 1721 – Had Issue
-1f) Frederikke Amalie, Queen of Poland-Lithuania (b. 1705) m. John IV of Poland-Lithuania (b. 1698)*3 in 1722 – Had Issue
-1g) Miscarriage (1706)
-1h) Vilhelm (b. 1708) m. Maria Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1711) in 1728 – Had Issue
-1i) Stillborn Son (b. 1709)
-1j) Anna Sophie, Electress of Hanover (b. 1712) m. Carl I, Elector of Hanover (b. 1705)*4 in 1729 – Had Issue

2. Christian Vilhelm (1672-1673)

3. Christian (b. 1675)*5 m. Dorothea Henriette of Sønderborg-Beck (b. 1678) in 1698 – Had Issue
-3a) Miscarriage (1699)
-3b) Stillborn Son (1701)
-3c) Christian August (1703-1708)
-3d) Stillborn Daughter (1705)
-3e) Miscarriage (1706)
-3f) Miscarriage (1708)
-3g) Maria Dorothea (b. 1711) m. Vilhelm of Denmark (b. 1708) in 1728 – Had Issue
-3h) Miscarriage (1713)
-3i) Stillborn Son (1714)

4. Sophie Hedevig, Duchess of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1677) m. Frederick William I, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1675) in 1700 – No Issue

5. Christiane Charlotte, Queen of Albion (b. 1679) m. Charles III of Albion (b. 1680) in 1696 – Had Issue
-5a) Catherine Charlotte, Princess Royal, Queen of Denmark-Norway (b. 1698) m. Christian VI of Denmark-Norway (b. 1698) in 1715 – Had Issue
-5b) Miscarriage (1700)
-5c) James, Prince of Wales (1702-1717)*6
-5d) Stillborn Son (1703)
-5e) Christina, Queen of France (b. 1706) m. Louis XVI of France (b. 1707)*7 in 1723 – Had Issue
-5f) Charles IV of Albion (b. 1708) m. Lady Diana Spencer (b. 1710) in 1728*8 – Had Issue
-5g) Anne Amelia (1710-1711)

6. Carl (b. 1680) – Never Married

7. Stillborn Daughter (1683)

8. Vilhelm (b. 1687) – Never Married

*1 The father of otl's Peter III of Russia - Here, he inherits Sweden from his uncle due to Ulrika Eleonora and her husband not being around to claim it
*2 The stillborn daughter of otl's Frederick I of Sweden and his first wife lives ttl and so does her mother (at least for another kid or two) which means that Frederick isn't around to marry Ulrika
*3 The son of otl's Jakob Sobieski who inherits the throne from his father. They marry after ttl's version of the Great Northern War
*4 The son of Catherine, Princess Royal and George II of Hanover. Named Carl since I imagined that George had no desire for his son to share name with his father ttl either and thus this name is chosen since it's used in both families
*5 Christian perhaps tries to claim the Polish throne but fails and marries a love match in Denmark (A girl from the distant lesser branches of the Oldenburg line) - He is a competent general and later helps Denmark do better in the Great Northern War
*6 James sadly dies of a disease at age 15 leading to his younger brother becoming heir
*7 So, ttl Louis dies of his anal fistula and the grand dauphin becomes Louis XV and rules until ~1720. Le Petit Dauphin still dies of measles alongside his wife BUT both of their sons is rescued from the measles and grow up together. France is spared otl's Louis XV
*8 I lowkey highkey think this is brilliant heh. We have a Prince Charles married to a Diana Spencer 250 years earlier and with a much happier result. It almost happened otl with her and Frederick, Prince of Wales as well, so in ttl it's yet another example of passionate Stuart elopement

@VVD0D95 @Kellan Sullivan @The_Most_Happy @TheBeanieBaron

1. If the Russian monarchy remains the same as in OTL until 1762, who will Empress Elizabeth name as her heir?
2. I can definitely see one of Charles IV of Albion’s sons marring Sarah Lennox.
3. What does OTL’s Louis XV become known for if he isn’t King of France?
4. Who does Ulrika Eleonora marry if her OTL husband’s first wife is still alive?

 

[King of Danes]

1. If the Russian monarchy remains the same as in OTL until 1762, who will Empress Elizabeth name as her heir?
2. I can definitely see one of Charles IV of Albion’s sons marring Sarah Lennox.
3. What does OTL’s Louis XV become known for if he isn’t King of France?
4. Who does Ulrika Eleonora marry if her OTL husband’s first wife is still alive?

1. I was actually thinking that Peter II survives ttl, keeping the Romanovs alive and avoiding some of the mess over there
2. They won’t exist ttl, since Charles died before siring their grandfather
3. I dunno - He's just Duke of Berry and likely still has a lot of scandalous affairs. He probably won't be that important honestly
4. Hmmm, I'm actually a little unsure on that one - Maybe Frederick William of Prussia?

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

1. I was actually thinking that Peter II survives ttl, keeping the Romanovs alive and avoiding some of the mess over there

Great!

4. Hmmm, I'm actually a little unsure on that one - Maybe Frederick William of Prussia?

That could work. It would also mean that Sweden and Prussia could form an alliance sometime during the mid 18th century.

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

1. If the Russian monarchy remains the same as in OTL until 1762, who will Empress Elizabeth name as her heir

1. I was actually thinking that Peter II survives ttl, keeping the Romanovs alive and avoiding some of the mess over there

so, for a Russian monarchy to even look remotely similar TTL, we need to go back to Peter the Great- and that whole mess of things. In all likelihood he still marries Eudoxia Lophukina (since that was his mama's wish), and splits from her when Mama dies. Now, assuming that Alexei Petrovich is still born as OTL and he and his dad have the same relationship, it makes things...interesting.

TTL, no Northern War - or a different one - or encounter with Marta Skavronska (Ekaterina I), Petya might marry Anna Mons as a second wife. Which immediately removes Elizabeth (or Anna) Petrovna from the mix. Anna had no kids OTL, but I don't think that's necessarily proof she couldn't (@Valena can correct me on this), or that the kids would be as short lived as most of Marta's were. Petya might also tire of Anna - as he did OTL - and while if she gives him surviving kids, that might buy her a few more years, it's no guarantee, mercurial was a polite way of describing it. What the change of wife does for Petya's opinion of his son is up in the air. Anna might be a Katherine Parr and bring Petya and Alexei back together, or she could be the ambitious stepmom who wants to cut her stepson out of the succession entirely. Either way, if Anna has given Petya a surviving son, chances that Alexei will not be stuffed into a monastery (and/or quietly murdered) instead of marrying is small.

Even if Anna plays Katherine Parr and remains childless, the chances that Alexei marries his OTL wife is even smaller. Why? Joseph I having a surviving son and there being a surviving heir for Carlos II in Spain, means that in all likelihood, OTL Karl VI ends up with a minor cousin (maybe Elisabeth Sophie of Neuburg or Isabel Farnese, to inherit either Julich or Tuscany-Parma) rather than Elisabeth Christine. Karl VI not marrying Elisabeth Christine means that her sister is unlikely to be considered as an Austrian proxy by Petya - if Alexei ends up with an Austrian proxy at all. -and Petya might decide to go with a princess of Courland (say the duke dies en route to marry Anna Ivanovna instead of on the way home) or a Prussian proxy in Dorothea Wilhelmine of Saxe-Zeitz.

As you can see, the chances of Pyotr II existing, much less surviving are pretty much based on a series of very butterfliable events.

4. Hmmm, I'm actually a little unsure on that one - Maybe Frederick William of Prussia?

Ulrika could wind up with the duke of Saxe-Gotha? The duke of Württemberg-Winnental (a comrade in arms of Carl XII) was also interested. As was the margrave of Baden-Durlach (although he wanted to marry the widowed Hedwig Sophie), the duke of Saxe-Eisenach and a prince of Nassau. Think there was a Brunswick and a Mecklenburg prince were also interested. The young lady had no shortage of suitors.

After all, Friedrich Wilhelm I bribed the ambassadors to report bad things on any prospective bride but Sophie Dorothea of Hannover.

 

[Mildtryth]

Tyrol

Count Albert IV of Tyrol (1180-1253) >< Uta of Frontenhausen-Lechsgemünd (c. 1199-1254)

A1. Countess Adelaide of Tyrol (1218-1279) >< Count Meinhard III of Görz (1200-1258)​

B1. Adelaide of Tyrol (1237-1291) >< Count Friedrich I of Ortenburg (c. 1242-1304)​

B2. Count Meinhard II of Tyrol (1238-1295) >< Elisabteh of Bavaria (1227-1273)​

C1. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1262-1312) >< Duke Albert I of Austria (1255-1298)​

C2. Count Otto of Tyrol (1265-1310) >< Euphemia of Poland (1281-1347)​

D1. Countess Anna of Tyrol (1300-1331) >< Count Palatine Walram II (1306-1353)​

D2. Ursula of Tyrol (1305-1327) >< Count Rudolf III of Werdenberg (1293-1325)​

D3. Countess Euphemia of Tyrol (1307-1339) >< Duke Heinrich VII of Carinthia (1281-1351)​

C3. Albert of Tyrol (1267-1292) >< Agnes of Hohenberg (1268-?)​

D1. Margaret of Tyrol (1290-1349) >< Burgrave Friedrich IV of Nuremberg (1287-1332)​

E. Burgraves of Nuremberg​

C4. Count Ludwig of Tyrol (1269-1305)​

C5. Count Heinrich of Tyrol (1270-1311) >< Agnes of Carinthia (1283-1338)​

D1. Meinhard of Tyrol (1304-1309)​

D2. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1306-1314)​

D3. Agnes of Tyrol (1309)​

C6. Agnes of Tyrol (1272-1293) >< Margrave Friedrich I of Lusatia (1257-1323)​

D1. Friedrich of Lusatia (1293-1315)​

B3. Count Albert I of Görz (1242-1304) ><a. Euphemia of Glogów (1254-1274) b. Euphemia of Ortenburg (c. 1255-?)​

C1a. Count Heinrich III of Görz (1273-1323) >< a. Beatrice da Camerino (1280-1320) b. Beatrix of Bavaria (1302-1330)​

D1b. Count Johann Heinrich IV of Görz (1322-1338)​

C2a. Albert (II) of Görz (1275-1327) >< a. Elisabeth of Hesse (1284-1308) b. Euphemia of Mach (1301-1353)​

D. Counts of Gorizia​

B4. Bertha of Tyrol (1242-1267) >< Count Konrad of Kirchberg-Wullenstetten (c. 1230-1286)​

A2. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1220-1256) >< a. Duke Otto II of Merania (1218-1248) b. Count Gabhard IV of Hirschberg (c. 1220-1275)​

​

Carinthia/Austria

Duke Ulrich III of Carinthia (1220-1269) >< a. Agnes of Merania (1215-1263) b. Agnes of Baden (1250-1295)

A1. Duke Heinrich VI of Carinthia (1255-1282) >< Clementia of Habsburg (1262-1293)​

B1. Duke Heinrich VII of Carinthia (1281-1351) >< a. Elisabeth of Austria (1292-1331) b. Countess Euphemia of Tyrol (1307-1339)​

C1a. Elisabeth of Carinthia (1308-1352) >< Count Pierre III of Gévaudan (1304-1342)​

C2a. Clementia of Carinthia (1312-1354)​

C3a. Agnes of Carinthia (1314)​

C4a. Heinrich of Carinthia (1316-1329)​

C5a. Adelaide of Carinthia (1317-1325)​

C6a. Margaret of Carinthia (1318-1369) >< Margrave Ludwig of Brandenburg (1315-1361)​

C7a. Wenceslaus of Carinthia (1321-1336)​

C8a. Agnes of Carinthia (1323-1328)​

C9a. Duke Ulrich IV of Carinthia (1325-1353) >< Jeanne of Burgundy (1327-1395)​

D1. Duke Heinrich VIII of Carinthia (1351-1415) >< Elisabeth of Thuringia (1360-1423)​

E1. Ulrich of Carinthia (1381)​

E2. Duke Heinrich IX of Carinthia (1386-1428) >< Elisabeth of Cilli (1402-1436)​

...F1. Duke Ulrich V of Carinthia (1420-1453)​

...F2. Elisabeth of Carinthia (1422-1460)​

E3. Joanna of Carinthia (1394-1441)​

E4. Duke Bernhard I of Austria (1396-1438) >< Queen Margaret of Hungary (1401-1436)​

E5. Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473)​

B2. Agnes of Carinthia (1283-1338) >< Count Heinrich of Tyrol (1270-1311)​

​

Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473) >< Agnes of Milan (1403-1441)

A1. Agnes of Austria (1421-1476)​

A2. Duke Sigismund of Austria (1427-1496) >< Amelia of Thuringia (1438-1480)​

B1. Duke Bernhard II of Austria (1464-1516) >< Charlotte of Savoy (1467-1497)​

C1. Amelia of Austria (1488-1511) >< Duke Jan IV of Opava (1483-1506)​

C2. Charlotte of Austria (1490-1493)​

C3. Duke Leopold VII of Austria (1495-1561) >< Maria of Swabia (1500-1543)​

D1. Duke Bernhard III of Austria (1519-1570)​

D2. Maria of Austria (1520-1543)​

D3. Amelia of Austria (1522)​

D4. Agnes of Austria (1525-1585) >< Duke Ladislaus I of Slavonia (1510-1586)​

D5. Margaret of Austria (1527-1575)​

D6. Elisabeth of Austria (1530-1594) >< King Ladislaus VIII of Hungary (1531-1603)​

A3. Ulrich of Austria (1431-1442)​

A4. Bernhard of Austria (1435-1449)​

​

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

Tyrol

Count Albert IV of Tyrol (1180-1253) >< Uta of Frontenhausen-Lechsgemünd (c. 1199-1254)

A1. Countess Adelaide of Tyrol (1218-1279) >< Count Meinhard III of Görz (1200-1258)​

B1. Adelaide of Tyrol (1237-1291) >< Count Friedrich I of Ortenburg (c. 1242-1304)​

B2. Count Meinhard II of Tyrol (1238-1295) >< Elisabteh of Bavaria (1227-1273)​

C1. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1262-1312) >< Duke Albert I of Austria (1255-1298)​

C2. Count Otto of Tyrol (1265-1310) >< Euphemia of Legnica (1281-1347)​

D1. Countess Anna of Tyrol (1300-1331) >< Count Palatine Walram II (1306-1353)​

D2. Ursula of Tyrol (1305-1327) >< Count Rudolf III of Werdenberg (1293-1325)​

D3. Countess Euphemia of Tyrol (1307-1339) >< Duke Heinrich VII of Carinthia (1281-1351)​

C3. Albert of Tyrol (1267-1292) >< Agnes of Hohenberg (1268-?)​

D1. Margaret of Tyrol (1290-1349) >< Burgrave Friedrich IV of Nuremberg (1287-1332)​

E. Burgraves of Nuremberg​

C4. Count Ludwig of Tyrol (1269-1305)​

C5. Count Heinrich of Tyrol (1270-1311) >< Agnes of Carinthia (1283-1338)​

D1. Meinhard of Tyrol (1304-1309)​

D2. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1306-1314)​

D3. Agnes of Tyrol (1309)​

C6. Agnes of Tyrol (1272-1293) >< Margrave Friedrich I of Lusatia (1257-1323)​

D1. Friedrich of Lusatia (1293-1315)​

B3. Count Albert I of Görz (1242-1304) ><a. Euphemia of Glogów (1254-1274) b. Euphemia of Ortenburg (c. 1255-?)​

C1a. Count Heinrich III of Görz (1273-1323) >< a. Beatrice da Camerino (1280-1320) b. Beatrix of Bavaria (1302-1330)​

D1b. Count Johann Heinrich IV of Görz (1322-1338)​

C2a. Albert (II) of Görz (1275-1327) >< a. Elisabeth of Hesse (1284-1308) b. Euphemia of Mach (1301-1353)​

D. Counts of Gorizia​

B4. Bertha of Tyrol (1242-1267) >< Count Konrad of Kirchberg-Wullenstetten (c. 1230-1286)​

A2. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1220-1256) >< a. Duke Otto II of Merania (1218-1248) b. Count Gabhard IV of Hirschberg (c. 1220-1275)​

​

Carinthia/Austria

Duke Ulrich III of Carinthia (1220-1269) >< a. Agnes of Merania (1215-1263) b. Agnes of Baden (1250-1295)

A1. Duke Heinrich VI of Carinthia (1255-1282) >< Clementia of Habsburg (1262-1293)​

B1. Duke Heinrich VII of Carinthia (1281-1351) >< a. Elisabeth of Austria (1292-1331) b. Countess Euphemia of Tyrol (1307-1339)​

C1a. Elisabeth of Carinthia (1308-1352) >< Count Pierre III of Gévaudan (1304-1342)​

C2a. Clementia of Carinthia (1312-1354)​

C3a. Agnes of Carinthia (1314)​

C4a. Heinrich of Carinthia (1316-1329)​

C5a. Adelaide of Carinthia (1317-1325)​

C6a. Margaret of Carinthia (1318-1369) >< Margrave Ludwig of Brandenburg (1315-1361)​

C7a. Wenceslaus of Carinthia (1321-1336)​

C8a. Agnes of Carinthia (1323-1328)​

C9a. Duke Ulrich IV of Carinthia (1325-1353) >< Jeanne of Burgundy (1327-1395)​

D1. Duke Heinrich VIII of Carinthia (1351-1415) >< Elisabeth of Thuringia (1360-1423)​

E1. Ulrich of Carinthia (1381)​

E2. Duke Heinrich IX of Carinthia (1386-1428) >< Elisabeth of Cilli (1402-1436)​

...F1. Duke Ulrich V of Carinthia (1420-1453)​

...F2. Elisabeth of Carinthia (1422-1460)​

E3. Joanna of Carinthia (1394-1441)​

E4. Duke Bernhard I of Austria (1396-1438) >< Queen Margaret of Hungary (1401-1436)​

E5. Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473)​

B2. Agnes of Carinthia (1283-1338) >< Count Heinrich of Tyrol (1270-1311)​

​

Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473) >< Agnes of Milan (1403-1441)

A1. Agnes of Austria (1421-1476)​

A2. Duke Sigismund of Austria (1427-1496) >< Amelia of Thuringia (1438-1480)​

B1. Duke Bernhard II of Austria (1464-1516) >< Charlotte of Savoy (1467-1497)​

C1. Amelia of Austria (1488-1511)​

C2. Charlotte of Austria (1490-1493)​

C3. Duke Leopold VII of Austria (1495-1561) >< Maria of Swabia (1500-1543)​

D1. Duke Bernhard III of Austria (1519-1570)​

D2. Maria of Austria (1520-1543)​

D3. Amelia of Austria (1522)​

D4. Agnes of Austria (1525-1585)​

D5. Margaret of Austria (1527-1575)​

D6. Elisabeth of Austria (1530-1594)​

A3. Ulrich of Austria (1431-1442)​

A4. Bernhard of Austria (1435-1449)​

​

1. How did Bernhard I became Duke of Austria?
2. Is the Duchy of Carinthia still around in the 16th century?
3. Did Euphemia became Countess of Tyrol after the death of her uncle Henry in 1311?
4. How was Stephen II able to upgrade his title from Duke of Bavaria to Elector of Bavaria?

 

[King of Danes]

Ulrika could wind up with the duke of Saxe-Gotha? The duke of Württemberg-Winnental (a comrade in arms of Carl XII) was also interested. As was the margrave of Baden-Durlach (although he wanted to marry the widowed Hedwig Sophie), the duke of Saxe-Eisenach and a prince of Nassau. Think there was a Brunswick and a Mecklenburg prince were also interested. The young lady had no shortage of suitors.

Saxe-Gotha could work well I suppose

 

[Mildtryth]

1. How did Bernhard I became Duke of Austria?
2. Is the Duchy of Carinthia still around in the 16th century?
3. Did Euphemia became Countess of Tyrol after the death of her uncle Henry in 1311?
4. How was Stephen II able to upgrade his title from Duke of Bavaria to Elector of Bavaria?

1. His father already had the title - as I mentioned in the post in the other thread, After Václav V of Bohemia died, there was a succession war between Adolf of Berg and Henry VII over the succession to the Bohemian lands (which included not only Bohemia and Moravia proper, but also Austria and Styria). The war ended with Henry VII and Elisabeth keeping Austria and Styria and renouncing all claims to the rest of Bohemia, which went to Anna and Adolf.

However, Ulrich IV and Henry VIII kept on residing in Carinthia and using the Carinthian title as their main one, but when Henry VIII died, he divided his lands, with Henry IX receiving Carinthia, Bernard receiving Austria and Styria and Ulrich receiving Carniola. However, once the lands were reunited, Ulrich began residing in Austria and using the Austrian title as his main one instead of the Carinthian, and his descendants would continue the practice.

2. Yes, but in personal union with Carniola, Styria and Austria.
3. Sort of. Anna succeeded first, but she had no offspring, and then the title went to Euphemia. And once she died without offspring, it went to the Habsburgs.
4. That's less of a upgrade and more of a historiographical convention - There was already some understanding of one of the prince-electors being the Duke of Bavaria, but after the Golden Bull of 1356 and its establishment of indivisibility of the electoral title, they start being referred to as electors of Bavaria rather than dukes, because while the electoral title can't be divided, the title of Duke remains divisible, so in order to split their inheritance, the older son gets the electoral title in addition to a ducal one and the others become only dukes.

That also happens with Saxe-Wittenberg and the Palatinate. Since Bohemia, being a full-fledged kingdom and following different succession rules, is not subject to that, they are not primarily referred to as electors after 1356, but the others are.

 

[Valena]

so, for a Russian monarchy to even look remotely similar TTL, we need to go back to Peter the Great- and that whole mess of things. In all likelihood he still marries Eudoxia Lophukina (since that was his mama's wish), and splits from her when Mama dies. Now, assuming that Alexei Petrovich is still born as OTL and he and his dad have the same relationship, it makes things...interesting.

TTL, no Northern War - or a different one - or encounter with Marta Skavronska (Ekaterina I), Petya might marry Anna Mons as a second wife. Which immediately removes Elizabeth (or Anna) Petrovna from the mix. Anna had no kids OTL, but I don't think that's necessarily proof she couldn't (@Valena can correct me on this), or that the kids would be as short lived as most of Marta's were. Petya might also tire of Anna - as he did OTL - and while if she gives him surviving kids, that might buy her a few more years, it's no guarantee, mercurial was a polite way of describing it. What the change of wife does for Petya's opinion of his son is up in the air. Anna might be a Katherine Parr and bring Petya and Alexei back together, or she could be the ambitious stepmom who wants to cut her stepson out of the succession entirely. Either way, if Anna has given Petya a surviving son, chances that Alexei will not be stuffed into a monastery (and/or quietly murdered) instead of marrying is small.

Even if Anna plays Katherine Parr and remains childless, the chances that Alexei marries his OTL wife is even smaller. Why? Joseph I having a surviving son and there being a surviving heir for Carlos II in Spain, means that in all likelihood, OTL Karl VI ends up with a minor cousin (maybe Elisabeth Sophie of Neuburg or Isabel Farnese, to inherit either Julich or Tuscany-Parma) rather than Elisabeth Christine. Karl VI not marrying Elisabeth Christine means that her sister is unlikely to be considered as an Austrian proxy by Petya - if Alexei ends up with an Austrian proxy at all. -and Petya might decide to go with a princess of Courland (say the duke dies en route to marry Anna Ivanovna instead of on the way home) or a Prussian proxy in Dorothea Wilhelmine of Saxe-Zeitz.

As you can see, the chances of Pyotr II existing, much less surviving are pretty much based on a series of very butterfliable events.

In Britain of Panthers & Lions we studied the exact scenario - and it resulted in a divorse after failure of production of a son. Eudoxia Lopukhina TTL died in her second childbirth (IOTL it was close), and Alexei married (happily) into House of Orange (Peter also tried to marry alt-Elisabeth aka his second daughter by Anne Mons (2 daughters, no sons surviving past infancy) into the Netherlands but it ended in disaster of a marriage).
Though ITTL Peter lionizes Eudoxia (sort of) having only a short time with her before she died and did not tire of her at the moment of her death, so it's "dead partner is the best" situation.