List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

What if Gian Galeazzo Sforza lived longer? Or maybe the marriage is arranged at a later date?
That would simply made things worse and the match still less likely. Things would already change a lot without Bianca Maria in Austria…

What would work is an ATL daughter of Ludovico and Beatrice (Bianca Maria/Eleonora/Beatrice) married to the Archduke. Easiest way for getting that is having Beatrice dying in childbirth with a living girl instead of a dead boy. (Bona instead would marry either of Ludovico’s sons)
 
What would work is an ATL daughter of Ludovico and Beatrice (Bianca Maria/Eleonora/Beatrice) married to the Archduke. Easiest way for getting that is having Beatrice dying in childbirth with a living girl instead of a dead boy. (Bona instead would marry either of Ludovico’s sons)
I’ll go change it be that then!
 
France had no control over Brittany and Francis II would marry his daughter in England. Anne also would take an English husband if any is available for her (and surely would NOT accept a match with a baby in the cradle)
Francis II would not marry his daughter because:
-Edward V dies as teenager
-Anne Mowbray lives, making Richard of Shrewsbury/ITTL Richard III not available.

I should make Edward IV's tree for reference.

Second son of French king is good candidate, as that means Brittany would not be merged with France (unless his older brother dies without sons, I'm thinking about giving Margaret of Austria and Dauphin Louis surviving son in second version of that tree, which is not final version so Brittany would still have separate Ducal line).
 
Francis II would not marry his daughter because:
-Edward V dies as teenager
-Anne Mowbray lives, making Richard of Shrewsbury/ITTL Richard III not available.

I should make Edward IV's tree for reference.

Second son of French king is good candidate, as that means Brittany would not be merged with France (unless his older brother dies without sons, I'm thinking about giving Margaret of Austria and Dauphin Louis surviving son in second version of that tree, which is not final version so Brittany would still have separate Ducal line).
He is still too young for her. England can also offer Edward of Warwick or Edward of Salisbury for Anne of Brittany.
If Anne MUST marry a French prince then Berry is a better match than his nephew
 
The Hannover dynasty last longer, with a P.o.D. being the birth of Frederick, Duke of York and Albany’s son.
Working progress. Thanks @isabella for suggesting the Hesse match.

George III, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1738-1820) m. 1761, Charlotte of Mecklenburg Strelitz (1744 to Present)
1) George IV, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1762-1830) [1] m. 1785, Maria Fitzherbert (1756-1837), later Marchioness of Brighton [2]​
•) No issues
2) Frederick, Duke of York and Albany, (1763-1827) m. 1791, Frederica Charlotte of Prussia (1767-1820)​
1) George V, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1792-1878) [3] m. 1817, Princess Augusta of Hesse-Kassel (1797-1889)​
1) George VI (1818-1902) m. 1839,​
2) Augusta, Duke of York and Albany (1819-1903)​
3) Frederica, later Princess Royal, later Elizabeth Feodorovna (1821-1915) m. 1840, Alexander II of Russia (1818–1881)​
4) Frederick, Duke of Kent and Ross (1824-1889) m. 1842, Princess Marie of Hesse and by Rhine (1824–1880)​
5) Charlotte (1827-1832)​
6) Mary (1828-1904) m. Crown Prince Charles, later, Charles XV of Sweden and IV Norway (1826-1872)​
7) William, Duke of Cambridge and Strathearn (1830-1909)​
8) Caroline (1833-1897) m. 1850, Prince Frederick William of Prussia, later, Frederick III of Prussia (1831–1888)​
3) William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (1765-1837) cohabited with, Dorothea Jordon (née Bland)​
•) no legitimate issue
1) George FitzClarence, later Earl of Munster and Clarence (1794–1842) m.​
2) Henry Edward FitzClarence (1795–1817)​
3) Sophia FitzClarence (1796–1837) m. Philip Sidney, 1st Baron De L'Isle and Dudley.​
4) Mary FitzClarence (1798–1864) m. General Charles Richard Fox​
5) Lieutenant General Lord Frederick FitzClarence, later Earl of St. Andrew (1799-1854) m.​
6) Elizabeth FitzClarence (1801–1856) m. William Hay, 18th Earl of Erroll.​
7) Rear-Admiral Lord Adolphus FitzClarence later, Earl of (1802–1856) m.​
8) Augusta FitzClarence (1803–1865) m. 1827, a) Hon. John Kennedy-Erskine, b) Admiral Lord Frederick Gordon-Hallyburton.​
Lord Augustus FitzClarence, later Dean of St. George’s Chapel (1805-1854) m. Sarah Gordon.​
Amelia FitzClarence (1807–1858) m. Lucius Bentinck Cary, 10th Viscount Falkland.​
4) Charlotte, Princess Royal (1766-1828) m. 1797, Frederick I of Württemberg (1754-1816)​
•) No issues
5) Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (1767-1820) cohabited with, Madame Alphonsine-Thérèse-Bernardine-Julie de Montgenêt de Saint-Laurent (1760-1830)​
•) No issues
6) Augusta Sophia (1768-1840)​
7) Elizabeth (1770-1840) m. 1818, Frederick VI, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg (1769-1829)​
•) No Issues.
8) Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1771-1851) m. 1815, Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1778-1841)​
1) Princess Frederica of Cumberland (1817)​
2) Stillborn daughter (1818)​
3) George, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1819-​
9) Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (1773- m. 1793; annulled 1794, a) Lady Augusta Murray (1768–1830) m. 1831, b) Lady Cecilia Letitia Buggin (1793–1873)​
•) No legitimate issues
1a) Augustus Frederick d'Este, later Earl of Sussex (1794—1848)​
2a) Augusta Emma d'Este (1801-1866)​
10) Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (1774-1850) Died unmarried.
11) Mary (1776-1857) m. 1816, Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (1776–1834)​
•) No Issues
12) Sophia (1777-1848) Died unmarried.
13) Prince Octavius (1779–1783)
14) Prince Alfred (1780-1782)
15) Amelia (1783-1810) Died unmarried.

[1] With his younger brother marrying and producing an heir, George decides not to “marry a foreign noble bride” instead preferring to have his secret wife, Maria Fitzherbert, by his side, his large debt doesnt begin to be paid off until he becomes Prince Regent in 1811.
[2] Upon the death of her father-in-law, George III in 1820, Maria was given the royal title of Marchioness of Brighton, as well as possession of Brighton Pavilion.
Upon the death of her husband, his nephew allowed her to keep her title and land, as well as being able to be referred to as widowed, she was however not allowed the pension of dowager Queen or dowager Princess of Wales.
[3] George V, known privately as the “Honeymoon Prince” being born nine months after his parents wedding and would be their only child as their marriage was not a happy one and the couple officially separated after three years, although Frederica had retired to Oatlands, after George’s birth.
Full name, George Frederick William, he was christened by John Moore, Archbishop of Canterbury in his parents London residence of Dover House. His godparents were his paternal grandfather, King George III, his paternal grandmother, Queen Charlotte, his paternal uncle, George, Prince of Wales, maternal grandfather, Frederick William II of Prussia (William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrew, stood proxy), maternal aunt, Frederica Louisa Wilhelmina of Prussia (his paternal aunt, Princess Augusta Sophia, stood proxy) and her husband, William of Orange, later King William I of the Netherlands, (William Pitt the Younger, Prime minister, stood proxy.)
George III was delighted at the birth of his first legitimate grandchild and doted on his grandson.
George would grow up in his own household situated within Gunnersbury House in Hounslow, arranged by his grandfather and uncles, brought from Colonel Ironside, who sold it in 1792, the house had previously been owned by Princess Amelia, favourite daughter of George II.
Here George would have his uncle, Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, the only living son of George III, who didn’t pursue an army or navy career, serve as Governor, and Augustus’s liberal views were influential on the young Prince.
A year after his birth his father went back to his military duties, seeing too much of his wife in his son.
Some spoke about him joking the military, however in 1808, 16 year old George was the only legitimate grandchild and heir after his uncle and dad. Instead they began discussing potential brides[4].
At the age of 28, in 1820, Prince George would receive news of his grandfathers death and upon his uncle, becoming George IV, Prince George was given the titles of Duke of Cornwall and Rothsay, Earl of Chester and Carrick and Baron of Renfrew. These were all titles usually share by Prince of Wales, and were given as a sign of him being second in line to the throne.
When his father died in 1827, as well as succeeding to the Dukedom of York and Albany, George IV also created him as gave him the official heir title of Prince of Wales.
He would hold all these titles for three years until his uncles own death in 1830, at 38 year old, he became George V.
[4] Potential Brides:
- Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen (1792- 1849), OTL wife of King William IV of the United Kingdom.
- Ida of of Saxe-Meiningen (1794-1852)
- Princess and Landgravine Marie of Hesse-Kassel (1796-1880)
- Princess Frederica of Prussia (1796-1850) daughter of Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, wife of Duke of Cumberland.
- Princess Ida of Waldeck and Pyrmont (26 September 1796 – 12 April 1869)
- Charlotte Louise of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1794-1825)
- Princess Caroline of Denmark (1793–1881) Bit of an issue when Denmark allied with Napoleonic France, but her paternal grandmother was Caroline Matilda of Great Britain.

With countless potential brides wishing to marry the young prince, it became a hot topic amongst the royals and members of Parliament. Some members wished for a home grown duchess to be chosen as bride, but this was shot down with the royalist stating that it needed to be a high nobility.
His mother had hoped for another Prussian match, but George IV wanted a descendant of the Hanovian family.
[5] Through her father, she was a great-granddaughter of George II of Great Britain, her grandmother being George II's daughter Mary.
Her older sister, Marie, was proposed as a potential bride, however when William I, Elector of Hesse, brought his family and nieces over to Britain for a visit, Prince George found Augusta a much more perfect match than her sister.
They married in September 1817, a month after her sisters own marriage.
The pair would have a happy marriage, last 61 years, she would outlive George by 11 years.
 
Working progress. Thanks @isabella for suggesting the Hesse match.

George III, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1738-1820) m. 1761, Charlotte of Mecklenburg Strelitz (1744 to Present)
1) George IV, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1762-1830) [1] m. 1785, Maria Fitzherbert (1756-1837), later Marchioness of Brighton [2]​
•) No issues
2) Frederick, Duke of York and Albany, (1763-1827) m. 1791, Frederica Charlotte of Prussia (1767-1820)​
1) George V, King of Great Britain, Ireland and Hanover (1792-1878) [3] m. 1817, Princess Augusta of Hesse-Kassel (1797-1889)​
1) George VI (1818-1902) m. 1839,​
2) Augusta, Duke of York and Albany (1819-1903)​
3) Frederica, later Princess Royal, later Elizabeth Feodorovna (1821-1915) m. 1840, Alexander II of Russia (1818–1881)​
4) Frederick, Duke of Kent and Ross (1824-1889) m. 1842, Princess Marie of Hesse and by Rhine (1824–1880)​
5) Charlotte (1827-1832)​
6) Mary (1828-1904) m. Crown Prince Charles, later, Charles XV of Sweden and IV Norway (1826-1872)​
7) William, Duke of Cambridge and Strathearn (1830-1909)​
8) Caroline (1833-1897) m. 1850, Prince Frederick William of Prussia, later, Frederick III of Prussia (1831–1888)​
3) William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (1765-1837) cohabited with, Dorothea Jordon (née Bland)​
•) no legitimate issue
1) George FitzClarence, later Earl of Munster and Clarence (1794–1842) m.​
2) Henry Edward FitzClarence (1795–1817)​
3) Sophia FitzClarence (1796–1837) m. Philip Sidney, 1st Baron De L'Isle and Dudley.​
4) Mary FitzClarence (1798–1864) m. General Charles Richard Fox​
5) Lieutenant General Lord Frederick FitzClarence, later Earl of St. Andrew (1799-1854) m.​
6) Elizabeth FitzClarence (1801–1856) m. William Hay, 18th Earl of Erroll.​
7) Rear-Admiral Lord Adolphus FitzClarence later, Earl of (1802–1856) m.​
8) Augusta FitzClarence (1803–1865) m. 1827, a) Hon. John Kennedy-Erskine, b) Admiral Lord Frederick Gordon-Hallyburton.​
Lord Augustus FitzClarence, later Dean of St. George’s Chapel (1805-1854) m. Sarah Gordon.​
Amelia FitzClarence (1807–1858) m. Lucius Bentinck Cary, 10th Viscount Falkland.​
4) Charlotte, Princess Royal (1766-1828) m. 1797, Frederick I of Württemberg (1754-1816)​
•) No issues
5) Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (1767-1820) cohabited with, Madame Alphonsine-Thérèse-Bernardine-Julie de Montgenêt de Saint-Laurent (1760-1830)​
•) No issues
6) Augusta Sophia (1768-1840)​
7) Elizabeth (1770-1840) m. 1818, Frederick VI, Landgrave of Hesse-Homburg (1769-1829)​
•) No Issues.
8) Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1771-1851) m. 1815, Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1778-1841)​
1) Princess Frederica of Cumberland (1817)​
2) Stillborn daughter (1818)​
3) George, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1819-​
9) Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (1773- m. 1793; annulled 1794, a) Lady Augusta Murray (1768–1830) m. 1831, b) Lady Cecilia Letitia Buggin (1793–1873)​
•) No legitimate issues
1a) Augustus Frederick d'Este, later Earl of Sussex (1794—1848)​
2a) Augusta Emma d'Este (1801-1866)​
10) Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (1774-1850) Died unmarried.
11) Mary (1776-1857) m. 1816, Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (1776–1834)​
•) No Issues
12) Sophia (1777-1848) Died unmarried.
13) Prince Octavius (1779–1783)
14) Prince Alfred (1780-1782)
15) Amelia (1783-1810) Died unmarried.

[1] With his younger brother marrying and producing an heir, George decides not to “marry a foreign noble bride” instead preferring to have his secret wife, Maria Fitzherbert, by his side, his large debt doesnt begin to be paid off until he becomes Prince Regent in 1811.
[2] Upon the death of her father-in-law, George III in 1820, Maria was given the royal title of Marchioness of Brighton, as well as possession of Brighton Pavilion.
Upon the death of her husband, his nephew allowed her to keep her title and land, as well as being able to be referred to as widowed, she was however not allowed the pension of dowager Queen or dowager Princess of Wales.
[3] George V, known privately as the “Honeymoon Prince” being born nine months after his parents wedding and would be their only child as their marriage was not a happy one and the couple officially separated after three years, although Frederica had retired to Oatlands, after George’s birth.
Full name, George Frederick William, he was christened by John Moore, Archbishop of Canterbury in his parents London residence of Dover House. His godparents were his paternal grandfather, King George III, his paternal grandmother, Queen Charlotte, his paternal uncle, George, Prince of Wales, maternal grandfather, Frederick William II of Prussia (William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrew, stood proxy), maternal aunt, Frederica Louisa Wilhelmina of Prussia (his paternal aunt, Princess Augusta Sophia, stood proxy) and her husband, William of Orange, later King William I of the Netherlands, (William Pitt the Younger, Prime minister, stood proxy.)
George III was delighted at the birth of his first legitimate grandchild and doted on his grandson.
George would grow up in his own household situated within Gunnersbury House in Hounslow, arranged by his grandfather and uncles, brought from Colonel Ironside, who sold it in 1792, the house had previously been owned by Princess Amelia, favourite daughter of George II.
Here George would have his uncle, Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex, the only living son of George III, who didn’t pursue an army or navy career, serve as Governor, and Augustus’s liberal views were influential on the young Prince.
A year after his birth his father went back to his military duties, seeing too much of his wife in his son.
Some spoke about him joking the military, however in 1808, 16 year old George was the only legitimate grandchild and heir after his uncle and dad. Instead they began discussing potential brides[4].
At the age of 28, in 1820, Prince George would receive news of his grandfathers death and upon his uncle, becoming George IV, Prince George was given the titles of Duke of Cornwall and Rothsay, Earl of Chester and Carrick and Baron of Renfrew. These were all titles usually share by Prince of Wales, and were given as a sign of him being second in line to the throne.
When his father died in 1827, as well as succeeding to the Dukedom of York and Albany, George IV also created him as gave him the official heir title of Prince of Wales.
He would hold all these titles for three years until his uncles own death in 1830, at 38 year old, he became George V.
[4] Potential Brides:
- Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen (1792- 1849), OTL wife of King William IV of the United Kingdom.
- Ida of of Saxe-Meiningen (1794-1852)
- Princess and Landgravine Marie of Hesse-Kassel (1796-1880)
- Princess Frederica of Prussia (1796-1850) daughter of Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, wife of Duke of Cumberland.
- Princess Ida of Waldeck and Pyrmont (26 September 1796 – 12 April 1869)
- Charlotte Louise of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1794-1825)
- Princess Caroline of Denmark (1793–1881) Bit of an issue when Denmark allied with Napoleonic France, but her paternal grandmother was Caroline Matilda of Great Britain.

With countless potential brides wishing to marry the young prince, it became a hot topic amongst the royals and members of Parliament. Some members wished for a home grown duchess to be chosen as bride, but this was shot down with the royalist stating that it needed to be a high nobility.
His mother had hoped for another Prussian match, but George IV wanted a descendant of the Hanovian family.
[5] Through her father, she was a great-granddaughter of George II of Great Britain, her grandmother being George II's daughter Mary.
Her older sister, Marie, was proposed as a potential bride, however when William I, Elector of Hesse, brought his family and nieces over to Britain for a visit, Prince George found Augusta a much more perfect match than her sister.
They married in September 1817, a month after her sisters own marriage.
The pair would have a happy marriage, last 61 years, she would outlive George by 11 years.
Two things: you have called the second child of George V Augusta instead of Augustus and I do not think who Marie of Hesse and by Rhine would be an appropriate match for a royal prince (unless that was a love match as her OTL one) as was well know who her true father was the lover of her mother.
 
Prince George was given the titles of Duke of Cornwall and Rothsay, Earl of Chester and Carrick and Baron of Renfrew. These were all titles usually share by Prince of Wales, and were given as a sign of him being second in line to the throne.
When his father died in 1827, as well as succeeding to the Dukedom of York and Albany, George IV also created him as gave him the official heir title of Prince of Wales.
He would hold all these titles for three years until his uncles own death in 1830, at 38 year old, he became George V.
nope. Not in George IV's powers to give/create his nephew any of those titles
Some members wished for a home grown duchess to be chosen as bride, but this was shot down with the royalist stating that it needed to be a high nobility.
Sorry, did Parliament lose their minds alongside George III? Granted, they had less to lose than the king (IMO), but I can't think of anyone who would be pushing for a "homegrown duchess"

but George IV wanted a descendant of the Hanovian family.
For what, exactly? Although, in this instance, an Austrian archduchess (the child of Karoline of Brunswick and Franz II of Austria - they were looking into this match OTL) could qualify to these rather "broad" parameters. As to his mom wanting a Prussian girl and George IV wanting a Hannoverian descendant, Karoline of Hesse (b.1799) is a nice compromise. Her mom is a Prussian princess, her dad is the elector of Hesse, and she descends three ways from George I (through George I's daughter, and through two of George II's daughters)
 
POD: Henry VIII dies from the Sweat outbreak in 1527, leaving Mary as his undisputable heiress. She later marries James V.

Mary I of England (1516-1558) m. James V of Scotland (1512-1569)
  1. Catherine(1534-1572) m. Philip II of Spain (1527-1598)
    1. Stillborn daughter (1551)
    2. Philip (1552-1553)
    3. Isabella (1554-1618) m. Rudolf II, Holy Roman Emperor (1552-1612)
    4. Maria (1555-1607) m. Charles, Duke of Burgundy (1552-1599)
    5. Ferdinand VI of Spain (1557-1611) m. Maria I of Spain (1564-1627) [1]
    6. James (1559-1563)
    7. Joanna (1561-1595) m. John IV of Portugal (1559-1604)
    8. Alfonso, Duke of Milan (1564-1620) m. Eleonora de Medici (1567-1611)
    9. Stillborn son (1566)
    10. Margaret (1568-1619) m. Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy (1562-1630)
  2. Mary(1535-1599) m. John of Austria [2], Duke of Burgundy (1535-1573)
    1. Charles, Duke of Burgundy (1552-1599) m. Maria of Spain (1555-1607)
    2. Isabella (1555-1608) m. Henry III of France (1551-1610)
    3. Margaret (1557)
    4. John, Duke of Burgundy (1560-1626) [3] m. Countess Anna of Nassau (1563-1608)
  3. Stillborn son (1537)
  4. James VI Scotland and II of England(1540-1601) m. A) Louise of France (1544-1560) [4], B) Archduchess Helena of Austria (1543-1574)
    1. B) Mary (1562-1609) m. Sigismund III of Poland (1558-1620) [5]
    2. B) Arthur I of Albion (1563-1622) m. Catherine of France (1568-1619) [6]
    3. B) Stillborn son (1565)
    4. B) Elizabeth (1567-1569)
    5. B) James, Duke of Richmond and Ross (1570-1584)
  5. Elizabeth(1541-1607) m. Antonio I of Portugal (1539-1568) [7]
    1. John IV of Portugal (1559-1604) m. Joanna of Spain (1561-1595)
    2. Manuel, Duke of Beja and Aveiro (1561-1622) m. Juliana of Lencastre, Duchess of Aveiro (1560-1636)
    3. Catherine (1563)
    4. Antonio (1564-1565)
    5. Beatrice (1567-1616) m. Vincenzo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (1562-1612)
  6. Henry (1543)
  7. Edward, Duke of York and Albany(1545-1588) m. Mary Pole, Countess of Salisbury (1544-1603) [8]
    1. Edward, Duke of York (1563-1629) m. Sibylle of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (1562-1628)
    2. Mary (1564)
    3. James, Duke of Albany (1566-1611) m. Agnes Steward, Countess of Lennox (1568-1622) [9]
    4. Thomas (1567-1570)
    5. Margaret (1569-1602) m. Henry Grey, Duke of Suffolk (1567-1602) [10]
    6. Alexander, Earl of Salisbury (1571-1632) m. Anne Percy (1571-1624) [11]
    7. Henry, Archbishop of St Andrews (1573-1638)
    8. Catherine (1576-1577)
    9. Helena (1578-1625) m. Charles, Duke of Orleans (1579-1609) [12]
  8. Margaret (1545)
[1] Only surviving child of Don Carlos and Elisabeth of France.
[2] Joanna of Austria is born male and gets the Burgundian inheritance.
[3] Charles and Maria have no children, so John inherits the Netherlands after his brother's death.
[4] Eldest child of Catherine de Medici and Henry II. Born instead of Francis II.
[5] Son of Sigismund II and Catherine of Austria.
[6] Daughter of Charles IX of France and Anne of Austria.
[7] Son of John III and Catherine of Austria who died young OTL.
[8] Daughter and heiress of Thomas Pole, who inherites his grandmother's titles ITTL.
[9] Only child of Darnley, who still dies young, and his ATL wife.
[10] Grandson of Henry Grey and Frances Brandon.
[11] Granddaughter of Henry Percy and Anne Boleyn.
[12] Second son of Henry III of France and Isabella of Burgundy.
 
I've been working on something new with my writing group who came up with my current TL and I just wanted to post it here for my own amusement's sake.

POD: Anne Boleyn doesn't miscarry and has a healthy boy who is eventually betrothed to Mary Queen of Scots.


Henry VIII (b. 1491- d. 1547)
m. 1) Catherine of Aragon
-- Lady Mary

m. 2) Anne Boleyn (b. 1507 - d. 1561)
1. Elizabeth (b. 1533)
-- had issue

2. Henry IX (b. 1536)
m. 1) Mary, Queen of Scots (b. 1542 - d.1586)
--1. Henrietta (b.1560 -)
--2. Philippa (b.1562 -)
--3. Arthur I (b.1564 -)
--4. James (b.1564- d.1564)
--5. George, Duke of York (b.1568 )

m. 2) Second Wife*

3. Cecily (b. 1538)
-- had issue

* Still debating on the identity of Henry's second wife, we were considering an Iberian match and they would have married in 1587-ish, possibly Isabella Clara Eugenia dependent on logistics. Any suggestions would be welcomed!
 
You have called the second child of George V Augusta instead of Augustus.
Good spot. The male and female versions are so close I always mistake these ones.
I do not think who Marie of Hesse and by Rhine would be an appropriate match for a royal prince (unless that was a love match as her OTL one) as was well know who her true father was the lover of her mother.
I had it in my head that her father would be confirmed as Louis II, Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine and that Louis would try and arrange for his daughters to be raised at the court of his Hesse cousin, Augusta rather than being raised in austerity.
nope. Not in George IV's powers to give/create his nephew any of those titles
It wasn’t going to be George IV, but instead George V legitimatising his cousins?
Sorry, did Parliament lose their minds alongside George III? Granted, they had less to lose than the king (IMO), but I can't think of anyone who would be pushing for a "homegrown duchess"
I was picturing it similar to the OTL Victoria marriages. Some MPs supported her marrying a member of the Hanovian nobility, plus some MPs would have financiers who they believe would make lovely “in-laws” to the royal family as well as MPs who have anti-European sentiments.
For what, exactly? Although, in this instance, an Austrian archduchess (the child of Karoline of Brunswick and Franz II of Austria - they were looking into this match OTL) could qualify to these rather "broad" parameters. As to his mom wanting a Prussian girl and George IV wanting a Hannoverian descendant, Karoline of Hesse (b.1799) is a nice compromise. Her mom is a Prussian princess, her dad is the elector of Hesse, and she descends three ways from George I (through George I's daughter, and through two of George II's daughters)
The Austrians wouldn’t match as the “broad” parameter still sticks to no Catholics.
I didn’t pick Karoline (1799–1854) as there wasn’t much information on who she became, while her sister Marie Fredericka (1804–1888) is too young.
 
I've been working on something new with my writing group who came up with my current TL and I just wanted to post it here for my own amusement's sake.

POD: Anne Boleyn doesn't miscarry and has a healthy boy who is eventually betrothed to Mary Queen of Scots.


Henry VIII (b. 1491- d. 1547)
m. 1) Catherine of Aragon
-- Lady Mary

m. 2) Anne Boleyn (b. 1507 - d. 1561)
1. Elizabeth (b. 1533)
-- had issue

2. Henry IX (b. 1536)
m. 1) Mary, Queen of Scots (b. 1542 - d.1586)
--1. Henrietta (b.1560 -)
--2. Philippa (b.1562 -)
--3. Arthur I (b.1564 -)
--4. James (b.1564- d.1564)
--5. George, Duke of York (b.1568 )

m. 2) Second Wife*

3. Cecily (b. 1538)
-- had issue

* Still debating on the identity of Henry's second wife, we were considering an Iberian match and they would have married in 1587-ish, possibly Isabella Clara Eugenia dependent on logistics. Any suggestions would be welcomed!
OTL Isabella Clara Eugenia is unlikely to exist here as Philip would remarry differently to Elizabeth Tudor or Maria of Viseu or Kristina of Denmark meaning who don Carlos will be the one to marry Elisabeth of France. And I can not see Carlos' eldest daughter marrying someone who is not an Habsburg cousin unless she had at least two healthy brothers.
 
OTL Isabella Clara Eugenia is unlikely to exist here as Philip would remarry differently to Elizabeth Tudor or Maria of Viseu or Kristina of Denmark meaning who don Carlos will be the one to marry Elisabeth of France. And I can not see Carlos' eldest daughter marrying someone who is not an Habsburg cousin unless she had at least two healthy brothers.
Good catch :) I was thinking of an ATL equivalent but easily shifted I suppose, I thought an Iberian match would make the most sense but there are options and it’s not like this Henry or indeed ATL Henry VIII would have the same reputation.
 
Good catch :) I was thinking of an ATL equivalent but easily shifted I suppose, I thought an Iberian match would make the most sense but there are options and it’s not like this Henry or indeed ATL Henry VIII would have the same reputation.
A Spanish girl would be a good option but you need first to work on that tree who will be heavily influenced by butterflies, as Philip here will most likely remarry to Elizabeth Tudor after Maria Manuela’s death. An ATL second/third daughter of don Carlos and Elisabeth of France (likely the second will be a Catalina, the third Maria, Juana or Margarita) would fit perfectly for both age and birth, if not for the fact who she would be more likely to marry Arthur than his father (who has already two sons).
As I guess who Henry is Protestant maybe someone like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_de_Bourbon would be better for him? Or if you want a Catholic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_of_Lorraine
 
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t wasn’t going to be George IV, but instead George V legitimatising his cousins?
How/why does George V create his cousins (who I assume are illegitimate) as "duke of Cornwall" and "duke of Albany" etc? Wouldn't that just screw him over when he has his own kids?

@FalconHonour while the potential of creating his nephew duke of Cornwall etc, does exist, I wonder if there wouldn't be those in parliament who'll be like "look at what happened then".

I was picturing it similar to the OTL Victoria marriages. Some MPs supported her marrying a member of the Hanovian nobility,
No, they supported her marrying her cousin, (OTL George V of Hannover), but they were in the decided minority, since most were pretty glad to see a Hannoverian albatross go.
plus some MPs would have financiers who they believe would make lovely “in-laws” to the royal family as well as MPs who have anti-European sentiments.
Those same MPs don't have the power to decide on this matter. It was a royal matter until age 25 (by the Royal Marriages Act), and then AIUI the privy council had to be informed, not Parliament. So, no, there isn't going to be anyone pushing for a domestic match. Not to mention financiers is tantamount to a wedding to a commoner, it was only later in the century with the Dollar Princesses that such matches would be considered. And certainly the doors of the Chapel Royal would not open for the daughter of a Threadneedle Street banker, no matter how loaded he is.
 

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Inspired and intrigued by @RedKing's post from above, first attempt at an alternate royal family tree on here:

Henry IV, King of England and Lord of Ireland (b. April 1367 – d. 03/20/1413) [r. 09/30/1399 – 03/20/1413]
w. Mary de Bohun (b. 1369/70 – 06/04/1394)
1) ♚ Edward IV, King of England and Lord of Ireland (b. 1382 – ) [r. 03/20/1413 – ]
2) Henry of Lancaster, Duke of Clarence (b. 09/16/1386 – )
3) Thomas of Lancaster, Duke of Bedford (b. Autumn 1387 – ) [1]
4) John of Lancaster, Duke of Gloucester (b. 06/20/1389 – )
5) Humphrey of Lancaster, Duke of Hereford [2] (b. 10/03/1390 – )
6) Blanche of Lancaster (b. Spring 1392 – )
7) Philippa of Lancaster (b. Mid 1394 – )
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Footnotes:
[1] Considering that Thomas as two birthdates according to Wikipedia, it's best for me to just do the Autumn 1387 date and leave it at that.
[2] I decided that Hereford seems like an interesting Lancastrian Royal Dukedom for Humphrey, although I'm aware of Northampton and Derby.
 
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How/why does George V create his cousins (who I assume are illegitimate) as "duke of Cornwall" and "duke of Albany" etc? Wouldn't that just screw him over when he has his own kids?
Having grown up closely with his uncles William and Augustus, he would most likely see his illegitimate cousins as more family than others.
The dukedom of Cornwall was bestowed onto Prince George as his rightful heir. The duchy of Albany was already designated to George as he inherited it from his own father.
George V gives his cousins the earldoms of Surrey, Clarence, St. Andrews and Munster as a gesture of good will to members of his family, even if they are illegitimate.

@FalconHonour while the potential of creating his nephew duke of Cornwall etc, does exist, I wonder if there wouldn't be those in parliament who'll be like "look at what happened then".
But as the next in line Prince George is within his right. I doubt 18th century politicians will fear their next in line to act like Richard II or Richard of York.
No, they supported her marrying her cousin, (OTL George V of Hannover), but they were in the decided minority, since most were pretty glad to see a Hannoverian albatross go.
I didn’t say a majority in my summary I said “some members of Parliament” it would be a minority that would individual propose British nobility that served their own needs.
Those same MPs don't have the power to decide on this matter. It was a royal matter until age 25 (by the Royal Marriages Act), and then AIUI the privy council had to be informed, not Parliament.
but the support of Parliament was needed to gain funds, politicians could lessen allowances on people they didn’t see fit, Prince Albert’s allowance was not as high as his uncle Leopold’s because of how Parliament felt.
So, no, there isn't going to be anyone pushing for a domestic match. Not to mention financiers is tantamount to a wedding to a commoner, it was only later in the century with the Dollar Princesses that such matches would be considered. And certainly the doors of the Chapel Royal would not open for the daughter of a Threadneedle Street banker, no matter how loaded he is.
No I meant that a parliamentarian would speak on behalf of noblemen who financed their careers, for example:
Some one like, Sir Arthur Leary Piggott became an MP by being given a safe parliamentary seat by the Duke of Norfolk at Steyning. In the 1806 general election, the Duke found him a seat at Arundel, which he held until 1812. In 1812, he was returned for Horsham, sitting until 1818. In that year, he was again provided with the Arundel seat.
For paying a wage to sit in Parliament, Piggott may suggest have suggest (if he had one) a daughter of the Duke of Norfolk.
They aren’t going to be selected but it makes their names heard and prospects of other higher marriage offers.
 
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George V gives his cousins the earldoms of Surrey, Clarence, St. Andrews and Munster as a gesture of good will to members of his family, even if they are illegitimate.
my mistake, I misunderstood.

but the support of Parliament was needed to gain funds, politicians could lessen allowances on people they didn’t see fit, Prince Albert’s allowance was not as high as his uncle Leopold’s because of how Parliament felt.
Parliament in Victoria's reign was not really comparable to Parliament in the Regency era, simply for the reason that Victoria had never been taught how to handle Parliament properly and Melbourne didn't see clear to inform her properly. That said, Albert's allowance was also as low as it was due to the fact that his uncle was still receiving his allowance granted to him for marrying Princess Charlotte*. Add to that the detested duke of Cumberland was also king of Hannover but still drawing on the British funds*; the dukes of Sussex and Cambridge, Dowager Duchess of Gloucester, two Princess Sophias (George III's daughter and niece).

*in this one can see why Parliament's not particularly fond of the "Albert they fished up" (as one MP described it in a letter to friend, Florence Nightingale), foreign kings on the British payroll for no other reason than they refuse to resign the allowances (just in case they get thrown out of the country). Leopold of Coburg still owned property (Claremont House in Surrey, for instance) in England for this reason.

or paying a wage to sit in Parliament, Piggott may suggest have suggest (if he had one) a daughter of the Duke of Norfolk.
They aren’t going to be selected but it makes their names heard and prospects of other higher marriage offers.
Norfolk is Catholic, so his daughter's not going to be considered any more than an Austrian archduchess or a French princess. Speaking of, it will be interesting to think/see what TTL George V makes of the French when they come to England. After all, Princess Charlotte and Madame Royale/duc d'Angoulême were on friendly terms.
 
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