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Brita

RedKing said:
I am pretty sure the marriage contract between Anne and Louis specified that Claude should inherit Brittany ahead of her first son with Louis if there wasn't a second son available. Though she could always change her mind.
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Not sure she'll change her mind so yes Claude should succeed her mother.
 

VVD0D95

Banned
A little something I'm running through with help from @The_Most_Happy

Isabel, Empress of Brazil (b.1846: d.1907) m Gaston, Duke of Sao Paolo (b.1843: d.1906)

Issue:

Dona Luisa Vitoria (b.1874)

Pedro, Prince of Grao Para (b.1875: d.1893)

Luis I, Emperor of Brazil (b.1878)

Dom Antonio (b.1881)

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Luis I, Emperor of Brazil (b.1878: d.1940) m Maria Christina of Austria-Teschen (b.1879: d.1962)

Issue:

Dona Isabel (b.1895)

Pedro, Prince of Brazil (b.1896: d.1898)

Gaston I of Brazil (b.1897)

stillborn daughter (b.1900: d.1900)

Maria Christina of Brazil (b.1903)

Luis, Prince of Brazil (b.1906)

Frederick, Prince of Brazil (b.1909)
 

Victoria

POD: The children of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York who died young live to adulthood and the ones that lived to adulthood die young.

Henry VII of England (1457-1509) m. Elizabeth of York (1466-1503)
  1. Arthur I of England (1586-1527) m. Catherine of Aragon (1485-1539)
    1. Henry VIII of England (1503-1559) m. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)
    2. Elizabeth (1504-1506)
    3. Stillborn son (1506)
    4. Margaret (1509-1568) m. John III of Portugal (1502-1557)
    5. Edward (1511)
    6. John, duke of York (1513-1527)
    7. Stillborn daughter (1516)
    8. Mary (1518-1559) m. Henry II of France (1519-1568)
  2. Margaret (1489-1492)
  3. Henry (1491-1501)
  4. Elizabeth(1492-1540) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513)
    1. Elizabeth (1508-1561) m. Luis, duke of Beja (1506-1555)
    2. James V of Scotland (1510-1548) m. Catherine de Medici (1519-1579)
    3. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563) m. Anne Tudor of Somerset, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562)
    4. Margaret (1513)
  5. Mary (1496-1501)
  6. Edmund, duke of Somerset(1498-1555) m. a) Anne de la Tour d'Auvergne (1496-1524), b) Jane Parker (1505-1563)
    1. a) Anne, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562) m. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563)
    2. a) Arthur (1520-1521)
    3. a) Catherine (1522-1525)
    4. a) Stillborn son (1524)
    5. b) Henry (1528-1541)
    6. b) Elizabeth (1529-1592) m. Henry Stafford, duke of Buckingham [1] (1526-1565)
    7. b) Alice (1531-1578) m. Thomas Percy, earl of Northumberland [2] (1528-1570)
    8. b) Edmund (1533)
    9. b) William III of England (1535-1579) m. Eleanor I of England [3] (1539-1598)
  7. Catherine(1503-1549) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
    1. Juana (1520-1533)
    2. Felipe (1521)
    3. María (1523-1568) m. Sigismund II of Poland [4] (1519-1583)
    4. Catalina (1525-1577) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (1527-1581)
    5. Carlos II of Spain (1527-1582) m. Maria of Portugal [5] (1529-1588)
    6. Stillborn son (1528)
    7. Isabel (1530-1578) m. Duarte II of Portugal [5] (1530-1593)
    8. Enrique (1532-1536)
    9. Stillborn daughter (1535)
    10. Fernando, duke of Burgundy (1538-1601) m. a) Barbara of Austria (1538-1572), b) Catherine Tudor [6] (1557-1622)
I know that with Arthur and Edmund living Catherine Tudor probably wouldn't be born but I wanted to include her. So I decided that she exists because EoY wanted another child after losing two to the sweating sickness.

[1] The duke of Buckingham doesn't rebel against Arthur, so the Stafford family keeps the title.
[2] Son of Henry Percy and Anne Boleyn
[3] Only surviving child of Henry VIII and Catherine of Austria.
[4] Son of Sigismund the Old and Eleanor of Austria.
[5] Children of John III of Portugal and Margaret Tudor.
[6] Daughter of William III and Eleanor I.
 
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Prince of Permsia

Zazou said:
[1] There’s speculation that in the OTL Claude died because of syphilis that she caught from Francis I. So, I made her live longer because in this timeline because she doesn’t get syphilis.
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That is unlikely to have been the cause of her death. Francis never suffered the madness that came from syphilis. Most likely she died from general bad health and being worn down by near constant pregnancy.
 

isabella

Victoria said:
POD: The children of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York who died young live to adulthood and the ones that lived to adulthood die young.

Henry VII of England (1457-1509) m. Elizabeth of York (1466-1503)
  1. Arthur I of England (1586-1527) m. Catherine of Aragon (1485-1539)
    1. Henry VIII of England (1503-1559) m. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)
    2. Elizabeth (1504-1506)
    3. Stillborn son (1506)
    4. Margaret (1509-1568) m. John III of Portugal (1502-1557)
    5. Edward (1511)
    6. John, duke of York (1513-1527)
    7. Stillborn daughter (1516)
    8. Mary (1518-1559) m. Henry II of France (1519-1568)
  2. Margaret (1489-1492)
  3. Henry (1491-1501)
  4. Elizabeth(1492-1540) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513)
    1. Elizabeth (1508-1561) m. Luis, duke of Beja (1506-1555)
    2. James V of Scotland (1510-1548) m. Catherine de Medici (1519-1579)
    3. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563) m. Anne Tudor of Somerset, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562)
    4. Margaret (1513)
  5. Mary (1496-1501)
  6. Edmund, duke of Somerset(1498-1555) m. a) Anne de la Tour d'Auvergne (1496-1524), b) Jane Parker (1505-1563)
    1. a) Anne, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562) m. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563)
    2. a) Arthur (1520-1521)
    3. a) Catherine (1522-1525)
    4. a) Stillborn son (1524)
    5. b) Henry (1528-1541)
    6. b) Elizabeth (1529-1592) m. Henry Stafford, duke of Buckingham [1] (1526-1565)
    7. b) Alice (1531-1578) m. Thomas Percy, earl of Northumberland [2] (1528-1570)
    8. b) Edmund (1533)
    9. b) William III of England (1535-1579) m. Eleanor I of England [3] (1539-1598)
  7. Catherine(1503-1549) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
    1. Juana (1520-1533)
    2. Felipe (1521)
    3. María (1523-1568) m. Sigismund II of Poland [4] (1519-1583)
    4. Catalina (1525-1577) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (1527-1581)
    5. Carlos II of Spain (1527-1582) m. Maria of Portugal [5] (1529-1588)
    6. Stillborn son (1528)
    7. Isabel (1530-1578) m. Duarte II of Portugal [5] (1530-1593)
    8. Enrique (1532-1536)
    9. Stillborn daughter (1535)
    10. Fernando, duke of Burgundy (1538-1601) m. a) Barbara of Austria (1538-1572), b) Catherine Tudor [6] (1557-1622)
I know that with Arthur and Edmund living Catherine Tudor probably wouldn't be born but I wanted to include her. So I decided that she exists because EoY wanted another child after losing two to the sweating sickness.

[1] The duke of Buckingham doesn't rebel against Arthur, so the Stafford family keeps the title.
[2] Son of Henry Percy and Anne Boleyn
[3] Only surviving child of Henry VIII and Catherine of Austria.
[4] Son of Sigismund the Old and Eleanor of Austria.
[5] Children of John III of Portugal and Margaret Tudor.
[6] Daughter of William III and Eleanor I.
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Some matches are pretty unlikely as Eleanor's first engagement ATL will be either in Portugal or Lorraine and will be kept. ATL Henry will marry either Isabella of Austria or Isabella of Portugal (who here will not have Charles V in mind) or Beatrice of Portugal at the worst. Anne de la Tour was married very young to her cousin John of Albany, so Edmund can marry only her younger sister Madeleine (and that will butterfly Catherine de Medici). Mary of England would marry Francis II of France as she would be married at 15/16 and Francis would die a couple of years later (and this only if Pavia happened)
 

Victoria

isabella said:
Some matches are pretty unlikely as Eleanor's first engagement ATL will be either in Portugal or Lorraine and will be kept. ATL Henry will marry either Isabella of Austria or Isabella of Portugal (who here will not have Charles V in mind) or Beatrice of Portugal at the worst. Anne de la Tour was married very young to her cousin John of Albany, so Edmund can marry only her younger sister Madeleine (and that will butterfly Catherine de Medici). Mary of England would marry Francis II of France as she would be married at 15/16 and Francis would die a couple of years later (and this only if Pavia happened)
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I used Anne de la Tour as a match for Edmund because I've seen her marrying Henry in scenarios where Arthur lives, so I thought she'd be a good choice for Edmund. Mary was originally engaged to Francis but he died before the marriage could happen, so she married Henry.
 

isabella

Victoria said:
I used Anne de la Tour as a match for Edmund because I've seen her marrying Henry in scenarios where Arthur lives, so I thought she'd be a good choice for Edmund. Mary was originally engaged to Francis but he died before the marriage could happen, so she married Henry.
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Anne was married very young (in 1505) and in any case Madeleine is closer in age to Edmund
 

Victoria

POD: The children of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York who died young live to adulthood and the ones that lived to adulthood die young.

Henry VII of England (1457-1509) m. Elizabeth of York (1466-1503)
  1. Arthur I of England(1586-1527) m. Catherine of Aragon (1485-1539)
    1. Henry VIII of England (1503-1559) m. Isabella of Portugal (1503-1551)
    2. Elizabeth (1504-1506)
    3. Stillborn son (1506)
    4. Margaret (1509-1568) m. John III of Portugal (1502-1557)
    5. Edward (1511)
    6. John, duke of York (1513-1527)
    7. Stillborn daughter (1516)
    8. Mary (1518-1559) m. Henry II of France (1519-1568)
  2. Margaret (1489-1492)
  3. Henry, duke of York (1491-1501)
  4. Elizabeth(1492-1540) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513)
    1. Elizabeth (1508-1561) m. Luis, duke of Beja (1506-1555)
    2. James V of Scotland (1510-1548) m. Isabella of Navarre (1512-1565)
    3. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563) m. Anne Tudor of Somerset, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562)
    4. Margaret (1513)
  5. Mary (1496-1501)
  6. Edmund, duke of Somerset(1498-1555) m. a) Madeleine de la Tour d'Auvergne (1496-1523), b) Jane Parker (1505-1564)
    1. a) Anne, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562) m. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563)
    2. a) Arthur (1520-1521)
    3. a) Catherine (1522-1525)
    4. b) Henry (1528-1541)
    5. b) Elizabeth (1529-1592) m. Henry Stafford, duke of Buckingham [1] (1526-1565)
    6. b) Alice (1531-1578) m. Thomas Percy, earl of Northumberland [2] (1528-1570)
    7. b) Edmund (1533)
    8. b) William III of England (1535-1579) m. Eleanor I of England [3] (1539-1598)
  7. Catherine(1503-1549) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
    1. Juana (1520-1533)
    2. Felipe (1521)
    3. María (1523-1568) m. Manuel II of Portugal [4] (1520-1584)
    4. Catalina (1525-1577) m. a) Arthur, Prince of Wales [5] (1526-1551), b) Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (1520-1572)
    5. Carlos II of Spain (1527-1582) m. Catherine of Portugal [6] (1529-1588)
    6. Stillborn son (1528)
    7. Isabel (1530-1578) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (1527-1581)
    8. Enrique (1532-1536)
    9. Stillborn daughter (1535)
    10. Fernando, duke of Burgundy (1538-1601) m. a) Barbara of Austria (1538-1572), b) Catherine Tudor [7] (1557-1622)

[1] The duke of Buckingham doesn't rebel against Arthur, so the Stafford family keeps the title.
[2] Son of Henry Percy and Anne Boleyn
[3] Only surviving child of Henry VIII and Isabella of Portugal.
[4] Son of John III of Portugal and his first wife Eleanor of Austria, who died young ITTL.
[5] Son of Henry VIII and Isabella of Portugal. He dies childless, which leads to Henry VIII arranging the marriage of William and Eleanor and acknowledging them as his heirs.
[6] Daughter of John III of Portugal and his second wife Margaret Tudor.
[7] Daughter of William III and Eleanor I.

@isabella Is this better?
 
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Saya Aensland

Victoria said:
POD: The children of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York who died young live to adulthood and the ones that lived to adulthood die young.

Henry VII of England (1457-1509) m. Elizabeth of York (1466-1503)
  1. Arthur I of England(1586-1527) m. Catherine of Aragon (1485-1539)
    1. Henry VIII of England (1503-1559) m. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)
    2. Elizabeth (1504-1506)
    3. Stillborn son (1506)
    4. Margaret (1509-1568) m. John III of Portugal (1502-1557)
    5. Edward (1511)
    6. John, duke of York (1513-1527)
    7. Stillborn daughter (1516)
    8. Mary (1518-1559) m. Henry II of France (1519-1568)
  2. Margaret (1489-1492)
  3. Henry, duke of York (1491-1501)
  4. Elizabeth(1492-1540) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513)
    1. Elizabeth (1508-1561) m. Luis, duke of Beja (1506-1555)
    2. James V of Scotland (1510-1548) m. Isabella of Navarre (1512-1565)
    3. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563) m. Anne Tudor of Somerset, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562)
    4. Margaret (1513)
  5. Mary (1496-1501)
  6. Edmund, duke of Somerset(1498-1555) m. a) Madeleine de la Tour d'Auvergne (1496-1523), b) Jane Parker (1505-1564)
    1. a) Anne, countess of Auvergne (1517-1562) m. Alexander, duke of Ross (1511-1563)
    2. a) Arthur (1520-1521)
    3. a) Catherine (1522-1525)
    4. b) Henry (1528-1541)
    5. b) Elizabeth (1529-1592) m. Henry Stafford, duke of Buckingham [1] (1526-1565)
    6. b) Alice (1531-1578) m. Thomas Percy, earl of Northumberland [2] (1528-1570)
    7. b) Edmund (1533)
    8. b) William III of England (1535-1579) m. Eleanor I of England [3] (1539-1598)
  7. Catherine(1503-1549) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558)
    1. Juana (1520-1533)
    2. Felipe (1521)
    3. María (1523-1568) m. Manuel II of Portugal [4] (1520-1584)
    4. Catalina (1525-1577) m. a) Arthur, Prince of Wales [5] (1526-1551), b) Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (1520-1572)
    5. Carlos II of Spain (1527-1582) m. Catherine of Portugal [6] (1529-1588)
    6. Stillborn son (1528)
    7. Isabel (1530-1578) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (1527-1581)
    8. Enrique (1532-1536)
    9. Stillborn daughter (1535)
    10. Fernando, duke of Burgundy (1538-1601) m. a) Barbara of Austria (1538-1572), b) Catherine Tudor [7] (1557-1622)

[1] The duke of Buckingham doesn't rebel against Arthur, so the Stafford family keeps the title.
[2] Son of Henry Percy and Anne Boleyn
[3] Only surviving child of Henry VIII and Isabella of Portugal.
[4] Son of John III of Portugal and his first wife Eleanor of Austria, who died young ITTL.
[5] Son of Henry VIII and Isabella of Portugal. He dies childless, which leads to Henry VIII arranging the marriage of William and Eleanor and acknowledging them as his heirs.
[6] Daughter of John III of Portugal and his second wife Margaret Tudor.
[7] Daughter of William III and Eleanor I.

@isabella Is this better?
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You forgot to swap Catherine of Austria for Isabella of Portugal.
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Mary I of England (b.1516: d.1560) m Philip II of Spain (b.1527: d.1598)

Issue:

Catherine of England (b.1556)

Charles I of England (b.1556)

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Yes, I've been kind to Mary, and given her two kids, I think it could happen, if one were to butterfly her cancer, though perhaps giving her twins at her age might kill her.
 
Tmckay

Tmckay

This is in my Simpsons-Verse TL:

Queen Elizabeth II/King George XI-1952-1995

Queen James V/Queen Anne III-1995-2001

King William V/Queen Mary II-2001-2027

Queen Victoria II/King Henry XII-2027-2047

Queen Louise I/King Edward VII-2047-2053

Queen Charlotte II/King Harrison II-2053-2059

Queen Margaret/King Ronald V-2059-2065

King Ronald V(after his wife's passing) 2065-2077

Queen Harriett II/King James XX-2077-2080

King Howard II/Queen Sophia II-2080-2091

King Malcom I-2091-2098

Queen Arabella/King George XV-2098-2115
 
Jonathan

Jonathan

Mary I of England (b.1516: d.1560) m Philip II of Spain (b.1527: d.1598)
Catherine of England (b.1556) m. Rudolf II, Holy Roman Emperor (1552–1612)​
Charles I of England and II of Spain (b.1557) m. Catherine de Bourbon of Navarre (1559 –1604)​

@VVD0D95 I can imagine Philip marrying Elizabeth to keep the Protestants from producing an heir to push his son off the throne.​
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Zygmunt Stary said:
His half-brother Charles was still alive at that time, I'd not imagine Philip giving two of his sons the same name.
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So, Philip is a more likely name then?
Jonathan said:
Mary I of England (b.1516: d.1560) m Philip II of Spain (b.1527: d.1598)
Catherine of England (b.1556) m. Rudolf II, Holy Roman Emperor (1552–1612)​
Charles I of England and II of Spain (b.1557) m. Catherine de Bourbon of Navarre (1559 –1604)​
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@VVD0D95 I can imagine Philip marrying Elizabeth to keep the Protestants from producing an heir to push his son off the throne.​
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Oh interesting, and perhaps producing kids with her as well? Thus meaning his son Carlos marries Elisabeth de Valois here
 
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