List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

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João III of Portugal dies young, his brother Luis is king instead.

Louis I (1506-1555) King of Portugal 1521, m. Catherine of Austria (1507-1578)

1) Manuel (1527)

2) John (1529-1531)

3) Maria (1530-1533)

4) Isabella (1532)

5) Louis (1533-1551) m. Joanna of Spain (1535-1573)

1) Manuel II (1550-1586) [Portuguese version of Carlos II el Hechizado] King of Portugal 1555, m. daughter of Philip II of Spain, no issue​
2) Louis II (1552-1597) King of Portugal 1586, m. Seraphina Braganza (1566-1604) has issue​

6) Beatrice (1535-1538)

7) Afonso (1537)

Same bad luck as his brother had, but unlike João Luis has no surviving daughter, that means Felipe II marries Margaret of France as his first wife.
 
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Henry IX of England, Ireland and I of Scotland (b.1594: d.1646) m Hedwig of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel (b.1595: d.1650)

Issue:

Anne of Greenwich (b.1614)

stillborn son (b.1615: d.1615)

James of Wales (b.1617: d.1623)

Henry, Prince of Wales (b.1619)

Charles, Duke of Gloucester and Kintyre (b.1621)

stillborn daughter (b.1623: d.1623)

Edward, Duke of Clarence (b.1627)

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A timeline where Juan, Prince of Asturias lives.

King Juan III (1478-1529), reigned from 1511 in Castile and 1519 in Aragon, M. Margaret of Austria (1480-1530), had issue:

1. Infanta Isabella of Castile (1498-1531) M. King Miguel I of Portugal (1498-1556), had issue:

1 (A). Infanta Isabella of Portugal (1519)
1 (B). Infanta Margarida of Portugal (1521)
1 (C). King Miguel II of Portugal (1523)
1 (D). Infante Joao of Portugal (1526)

2. Infanta Margarita of Castille (1500-1561) M. Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500-1553), had issue:

2 (A). Archduchess Margaret of Austria (1519)
2 (B). Archduchess Joanna of Austria (1523)
2 (C). Holy Roman Emperor Philip II (1525)
2 (D). Archduke Charles of Austria, later King of Bohemia and Hungary (1528)
2 (E). Archduchess Elizabeth of Austria (1530)

3. King Ferdinand VI and III of Castile and Aragon (1503-1564) reigned from 1529 M. Claude of France, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1534), had issue:

3 (A). Infante Juan, later King Juan IV (1526-1592)
3 (B). Infante Carlos, later king-consort Carlos of Navarre (1529)
3 (C). Infante Ferdinand, later King consort of England (1530)

4. Infante Alfonso, Duke of Granada (1506-1566) M. Susanna of Bavaria (1503-1574), had issue:

4 (A). Lady Margarita (1530)
4 (B). Lady Isabella (1534)
4 (C). Lady Susanna (1537)


.......

So I had Miguel de Paz live in this scenario because, reasons? Also Queen Mary I of England, still becomes Queen. John stops Henry from divorcing Catherine and threatens war if he does. Hence why we have Infante Ferdinand, King consort of England. Jeanne of Navarre still becomes Queen which is why Carlos, King Consort of Navarre is a thing.
 
Also Queen Mary I of England, still becomes Queen. John stops Henry from divorcing Catherine and threatens war if he does.
With juan, prince of asturias and miguel da paz surviving, isabella of castile probably makes it long enough for henry and catherine to marry in 1505, which gives them a much better chance of having a surviving son. Of course, you could always just have Ferdinand be the husband of Henry and Catherine's granddaughter or something.
2 (D). Archduke Charles of Austria, later King of Bohemia and Hungary (1528)
How does this charles become king of hungary and bohemia? That title would belong by right to his uncle ferdinand, unless circumstances have changed that ITTL.

Also, the match between Ferdinand VI and Claude of France in a world where Claude is her mother's heiress is highly unlikely. More likely that Claude marries OTL Charles V. Margarita of Spain can marry Henri II of Navarre.
 
With juan, prince of asturias and miguel da paz surviving, isabella of castile probably makes it long enough for henry and catherine to marry in 1505, which gives them a much better chance of having a surviving son. Of course, you could always just have Ferdinand be the husband of Henry and Catherine's granddaughter or something.
True, but let's pretend they have a son but then he dies or something. That, or Catherine is unlucky like otl.
How does this charles become king of hungary and bohemia? That title would belong by right to his uncle ferdinand, unless circumstances have changed that ITTL.
True actually, that was an oversight. But Hungary and Bohemia was an elective monarchy so let's say Charles bribed does electors into electing his son (unlikely but let's go with it).
Also, the match between Ferdinand VI and Claude of France in a world where Claude is her mother's heiress is highly unlikely. More likely that Claude marries OTL Charles V. Margarita of Spain can marry Henri II of Navarre.
I forgot to explain, that but basically Francis dies earlier ittl and the Duke of Alencon and his children become the Kings of France. Ferdinand then manages to marry Claude, promising protection from the french. Also I'd imagine Juan would prefer Charles for Margarita then Henry III of Navarre, especially since that can be conquered later.
 
rue actually, that was an oversight. But Hungary and Bohemia was an elective monarchy so let's say Charles bribed does electors into electing his son (unlikely but let's go with it).
Karl V wouldn't be able to bribe the electors into picking his son over his cousin (the son of Ferdinand and Anne of Bohemia). Obviously OTL Mohacs is butterflied away here, and Lajos II might not be born deprived of oxygen (and so be (lightly) retarded), or Anne could be born a boy and Lajos a girl, or Wladyslaw could marry Germaine de Foix (or someone else) instead. Either way, for a random archduke with zero ties to Hungary (not even a Hungarian mother - and without a Spanish crown, Karl V is more likely to marry Mary Tudor) seems unlikely. Perhaps spin off Burgundy for him instead?

I forgot to explain, that but basically Francis dies earlier ittl and the Duke of Alencon and his children become the Kings of France. Ferdinand then manages to marry Claude, promising protection from the french. Also I'd imagine Juan would prefer Charles for Margarita then Henry III of Navarre, especially since that can be conquered later.

Easier just to give Louis XII a surviving son. Anne of Brittany had four stillbirths that were male so Louis clearly didn't have a problem begetting sons. Why? Because even if François d'Angoulême dies, Louis XII will have Alençon and Marguerite d'Angoulême's marriage set aside so he can marry Claude to Alençon. There isn't particularly a scenario where Claude winds up married out of France without a brother. A likelier match for Fernando VI is Magdalena d'Albret (who was already in Fernando II's custody for just this purpose).

3 (A). Infante Juan, later King Juan IV (1526-1592)
3 (B). Infante Carlos, later king-consort Carlos of Navarre (1529)
Two problems. If Alençon and Marguerite d'Angoulême succeed as explained above, then Henri III of Navarre is down a wife. (Assuming that Henri III doesn't follow his brothers to an early grave) by which to beget a Jeanne III of Navarre. Also...TTL Jeanne will be betrothed to Juan IV rather than his younger brother. She was betrothed to Felipe II OTL, never one of his short-lived younger brothers.
 
Perhaps spin off Burgundy for him instead?
Okay will rework that
Easier just to give Louis XII a surviving son. Anne of Brittany had four stillbirths that were male so Louis clearly didn't have a problem begetting sons. Why? Because even if François d'Angoulême dies, Louis XII will have Alençon and Marguerite d'Angoulême's marriage set aside so he can marry Claude to Alençon. There isn't particularly a scenario where Claude winds up married out of France without a brother. A likelier match for Fernando VI is Magdalena d'Albret (who was already in Fernando II's custody for just this purpose).
Oh okay, how about Louis XII has a son so he marries Claude to Ferdinand, but then early into his son's reign, his son dies with no issue so Claude becomes Duchess of Brittany.
Two problems. If Alençon and Marguerite d'Angoulême succeed as explained above, then Henri III of Navarre is down a wife. (Assuming that Henri III doesn't follow his brothers to an early grave) by which to beget a Jeanne III of Navarre. Also...TTL Jeanne will be betrothed to Juan IV rather than his younger brother. She was betrothed to Felipe II OTL, never one of his short-lived younger brothers.
I see, well I will just have Carlos marry someone else.
 
Sigismund I, Holy Roman Emperor [1410-1437], King of Hungary [1387-1437], King of Bohemia [1419-1437], Elector of Brandenburg [1411-1419] (1368-1437) 1m: 1385 Mary, Queen of Hungary (-1395); 2m: 1396 Margarethe of Brieg (b.1380)[1]

[1m.] Stillborn Son (1395)​
[2m.] Laszlo/Ladislav (1399-1400)​
[2m.] Karl V, Holy Roman Emperor, King of Hungary, Croatia & Bohemia [from 1437] (b.1401)​
[2m.] Elisabeth (b.1402)​
[2m.] Ludwig, Elector of Brandenburg [from 1419] [2] (b.1404)​
[2m.] Johann (b.1407)​


[1] our POD. OTL, Sigismund was engaged to Margarethe, daughter of Heinrich VII of Legnica and Margarethe of Masovia. But broke the engagement post-Crusade. Here, he marries Marge before he goes off
[2] I wasn't sure if Sigismund would leave all his realms to Karl (the empire and Bohemia makes sense, but not sure if Hungary would be included or spun off to Ludwig instead). I suspect Johann will wind up in the clergy though.

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[2] I wasn't sure if Sigismund would leave all his realms to Karl (the empire and Bohemia makes sense, but not sure if Hungary would be included or spun off to Ludwig instead). I suspect Johann will wind up in the clergy though.

If anything, the elder son would get Hungary as it was better kingdom than Bohemia with chance to be elected as Emperor, but I think that Brandenburg for younger son is likely + Ludwig would be most likely betrothed and than husband of Jadwiga Jagiellonka, and it'd probably mean that they'd marry sooner because Ludwig is older than Frederick Hohenzollern was + he's Sigismund's son, so Sigismund won't try to block the match, so I think the division would be like this
a) Karl- Bohemia, Hungary, empire
b) Ludwig/Ludwik II, - Brandenburg, Poland-Lithuania (iure uxoris)
c) Johann (Luxembourg).
 
John II of Castile has one more son with Maria of Aragon (Alfonso, b. 1428)

Alfonso XII (1428-1488) King of Castile 1474* m. Isabella of Portugal (1428-1496)

1) Isabella (1450-1454)

2) John (1453-1480) Prince of Asturias, m. Joanna of Portugal (1452-1490)

3) Maria (1455-1527) m. Ferdinand II (1452-1516) King of Aragon

4) Joanna (1456-1502) m. John II (1455-1495) King of Portugal

5) Alfonso (1458)

6) Beatrice (1460-1465)

7) Ferdinand VI (1461-1512) King of Navarre iure uxoris 1484, King of Castile 1488, m. Catherine of Navarre (1468-1517)

8) James (1463)

9) Isabella (1468-1524) m. Edward V (1470-1514) King of England

* La Beltraneja is never born ITTL, and John II of Castile has less inective to remarry having spare son (who marries his OTL wife).
 
If anything, the elder son would get Hungary as it was better kingdom than Bohemia with chance to be elected as Emperor, but I think that Brandenburg for younger son is likely + Ludwig would be most likely betrothed and than husband of Jadwiga Jagiellonka, and it'd probably mean that they'd marry sooner because Ludwig is older than Frederick Hohenzollern was + he's Sigismund's son, so Sigismund won't try to block the match, so I think the division would be like this
a) Karl- Bohemia, Hungary, empire
b) Ludwig/Ludwik II, - Brandenburg, Poland-Lithuania (iure uxoris)
c) Johann (Luxembourg).
So, something like this then:

Sigismund I, Holy Roman Emperor [1410-1437], King of Hungary [1387-1437], King of Bohemia [1419-1437], Elector of Brandenburg [1411-1419] (1368-1437) 1m: 1385 Mary, Queen of Hungary (1371-1395); 2m: 1396 Margarethe of Brieg (b.1380)

[1m.] Stillborn Son (1395)

[2m.] Laszlo/Ladislav (1399-1400)

[2m.] Karl V, Holy Roman Emperor, King of Hungary, Croatia & Bohemia [from 1437] (b.1401) m: ?

Holy Roman Emperor, King of Hungary, Croatia & Bohemia​
[2m.] Elisabeth (b.1402)

[2m.] Ludwig, Elector of Brandenburg [from 1419] (b.1404) m: 1418 Elzbieta Bonifacia, Queen of Poland[1] (b.1399)/Hedwig II, Queen of Poland (b.1408)

Ludwik II, King of Poland, Elector of Brandenburg (b.1420)​
Second Son, King of Naples [adopted by Giovanna II of Naples instead of Alfonso V of Aragon]​
Others​
[2m.] Johann, Duke of Luxemburg (b.1407) m: Catherine of Lorraine (b.1410)[2]

Dukes of Luxemburg​

[1] IDK if her survival would be likely, but it seems like an interesting thought experiment (mostly because I'd be interested in seeing what happens with Lithuania in either scenario)
[2] there are no other Low Countries heiresses (Jakoba of Bavaria is too old to be credible (same for Elisabeth of Gorlitz - although a daughter of hers by the duke of Brabant could be considered)
 
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This means guaranteed war between brothers, because Elżbieta Bonifacja would have better claim to Hungary than Karl and unless Ludwig is a complete idiot, he cannot ignore this.
Noted. Jadwiga of Poland it is. (Will have to keep Elzbieta Bonifacia surviving for another idea)
 

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A little look at the House of York from my timeline A Thorn In The Rose

Richard, Duke of York (b.1411) m Cecily Neville (b.1415)

Issue:

Anne of York, Duchess of Exeter (b.1438) m Henry Holland, Duke of Exeter (b.1430) with issue

Henry of York (b.1441: d.1441)

Edward, Earl of March (b.1442)

Edmund, Earl of Rutland (b.1443) m Margaret Beaufort (b.1442) with issue

Elizabeth of York (b.1444) betrothed to Henry Beaufort (b.1435)

Margaret of York (b.1446)

William of York (b.1447: d.1447)

John of York (b.1448: d.1448)

George of York (b.1449)

Thomas of York (b.1451)

Richard of York (b.1452)

stillborn (b.1455: d.1455)
 

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Alexander II of Scotland has children by his first wife

Alexander II, King of Scots (b.1198: d.1249) m Joan of England (b.1210: d.1244)

Issue:

Marjorie of Scotland (b.1227)

Joan of Scotland (b.1233)

William II, King of Scots (b.1236)

This consequently means that Alexander likely doesn't remarry to Marie de Coucy, and given the prominence of Alan Durward during the 1230s, it is possible he might get to marry Marjorie in return for being named Earl of Atholl.
 
WIP: Martin I of Aragon is widowed earlier and marries Joanna of Navarre (1382-1413) as his second wife, with issue.

Joanna of Navarre (1382-1413) m. Martin I (1356-1410) King of Aragon

1) Eleanor b. 1399

2) Peter V b. 1401, King of Aragon 1410, King of Navarre 1425
 
Louis XI m. Charlotte of Savoy(b)

1a. Anne de Beaujeu m. Peter II, Duke of Bourbon

1a1a. Charles, Duke of Clermont

2a. Joan of France m. Louis XII of France

2a2a. Charles IX of France b. 1483 m. Anne of Brittany

2a2a1a. Louis XIII of France b. 1502 m. Katherine Tudor b. 1503

2a3a. Marie of France b. 1486 m. Vladislaus of Hungary

3a. Charles VIII of France m. Anne of Brittany(a)

3a1a. Charles Orlando b. 1492 d. 1495

3a2a. Anne of France b. 1498 m. Miguel I of Spain
 
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