List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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Helena Glinska was not my first but only tought, I have no idea what would be alternative if Alexander Jr looks for Muscovite wife.
Not really, but still Ernest made much more sense as husband for Katherine than Margaret so...
In this scenario Mary Stuart will most likely remarry to Archduke Karl (aka Ernest’s uncle) not to Darnley as OTL and so is likely James VI will be a little older.
Instead infanta Maria as wife of Henry IV of France made zero sense...
correction...
Philip II of Spain m. Maria Manuela(a) Mary I of England d. 1558(b) Elizabeth of Valois(c) Anna of Austria(d)
1a. Charles, Prince of Asturias b. 1545 d. 1569
2b. Catherine I of England and Burgundy(Catherine Michelle) b. 1555 m. Archduke Ernest Austria
3b. Margarita Eugenia, Duchess of Burgundy b. 1557 m. Sebastian I of Portugal(a) James VI of Scotland(b)
4c. Isabella Maria Eugenia b. 1566 m. Henry IV of France
5c. Catherine Michelle b. 1568 m. Charles Emmanuel I of Savoy
6d. Ferdinand, Prince of Asturias b. 1571 - 1578
7d. Carlos Lorenzo b. 1573 – 1575).
8d. Diego, Prince of Asturias b. 1575 - 1582.
9d. Philip III of Spain b. 1578 m. Margaret of Austria
10d. Maria b. 1580 d. 1583
We (with @Rurik) designed a TL with this PoD and thought idea of Kingmaker Glinski would be fun.
Bolingbroke dies in exile, Richard II stays on the throne.
Richard II (1367-1408) King of England 1377, m. a) Anna of Bohemia (1366-1394) b) Isabella of France (1389-1422)
1b) Edward IV (1407-1457) King of England 1408, m. a) Margaret of Denmark, Norway and Sweden* (1410-1443) b) Blanche of Portugal (1430-1488)
2b) Joan (1408-1462) m. James I (1394-1437) King of Scotland
Richard II (1367-1408) King of England 1377, m. a) Anna of Bohemia (1366-1394) b) Isabella of France (1389-1422)
1b) Edward IV (1407-1457) King of England 1408, m. a) Margaret of Denmark, Norway and Sweden* (1410-1443) b) Blanche of Portugal (1430-1488)
1a) Richard (1433-1434)
2a) Edward (1435)
3a) Joan (1437-1447)
4b) Richard III (1447-1499) King of England 1457
5b) Isabella (1449-1503)
6b) Edward (1452-1455)
7b) John (1454-1502) Duke of Clarence
8b) Blanche (1456-1489)
2b) Joan (1408-1462) m. James I (1394-1437) King of Scotland
1) Alexander IV (1426-1456) King of Scotland 1437
2) Isabella (1429)
3) James II (1431-1476) King of Scotland 1456
* Daughter of Eric of Pomerania and his ATL wife (as he is not going to marry Philippa of Lancaster ITTL).Finishing up the family line I have been doing recently and adapting the last batch of infoboxes for it
Line of Henry XII & II & I
Henry XII & II & I, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Ireland and Scotland, Prince of Pappenheim (b.1772:d.1837)
Married in 1895 Princess Maria Jadwiga of Prussia (b.1780:d.1852)
For most of his life known for being a remarkably pious Prince of Wales, Henry XII & II & I (the only british monarch to use all numerals of his title, as the Names Act of 1836 formally stipulated that his successors were to use the highest possible numeral related to their names) ruled as Emperor during the tail end of the Era of Troubles brought on by the Mexican Revolution and the Imperial Civil War (which disrupted international trade and saw warring on Latin America, Europe and South Asia), and outside of formally ending slavery with the Freedom Act of 1833 is seen as mostly a continuation of the trends of his mother's reign (it also saw the collapse of the Kingdom of Denmark-Norway, but that only tangentially involved the empire)
Line of Thomas III
Thomas III, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Ireland and Scotland, Prince of Pappenheim (b.1820:d.1855)
By Princess Margot FitzGerald, of Leinster (b.1820:d.1848), married in 1841, divorced in 1846
A young monarch whose reign was marked by personal and political strife, Thomas III was emperor amidst the Great Peace of Europe, and had everything to be a good one, if not for an incredible bad luck in part of him. Less than a year after assuming the throne, his uncle, then Duke of Wiltshire, who was serving as Viceroy to the North American colonies, declared independence of the Isles in a move moved in great part by his own desire for a crown, sparking a war that would be the background of Thomas' entire reign, and, at the same time, his personal rule was horrid, as the mentally impaired young monarch was used as a pawn by more capable relatives, with his first wife, a distant cousin, even trying to take over with her lover before being deposed and exiled to the Granadines (her lover lost his head). On the bright side, his lack of rule and the instability of the monarchy helped develop British democracy
Line of Alexander IV
Alexander IV, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Scotland and Ireland, Prince of Pappenheim (b.1844:d.1889)
Married in 1863 Princess Victoria Augusta of Hanover (b.1844:d.1903)
The first child monarch in the Isles since Henry XI, Alexander IV’s reign started peaceful and remained so for most of it as the Isles recovered from the problems of his father’s reign, although it was also marked by strife as while in a loving relationship, he did not see any of his children live to adulthood, as his only daughter was born dead and his sons died a year after the other from smallpox, scarlet fever and a riding accident. He was the Emperor to lose Calais, as the Duchy, which had been semi-autonomous for over a century, was conquered by France in 1884, sparking the Franco-British War
Line of Elizabeth III
Elizabeth III, Empress of the Isles, Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1869:d.1948)
Married in 1886 her fourth cousin, Lord Gregory Cromwell, 12th Earl of Ardglass (b.1869:d.1945)
Born the eldest child of the Duke of York, younger half-brother to Alexander IV, Elizabeth was originally expected to simply be the heiress to her father’s title, but, instead, ended up becoming Empress as all above her in the line of succession died from a reason or another (her father in a flu pandemic, her cousins in a variety of ways, her uncle from tuberculosis and her younger brother of typhoid fever). A long-lived and competent ruler, Elizabeth ruled during the Great War, which saw the collapse of the French and Ottoman Empires and the redrawing of many borders in Europe, the Americas and Africa, as well as causing social changes across the nations involved on it
Line of Mary II
Mary II, Empress of the Isles, Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1890:d.1957)
Married in 1916 the Prince Ludwig of Quedlinburg (b.1892:d.1932)
1) Line of Augusta
2) Princess Charlotte (b.1919:d.1990) m. Francis Stewart, 3rd Duke of Moray (b.1914:d.1985)
Much less commented than her mother, Mary II ruled during the peace of the 50s, and is mostly known for the fact that she sounded like an old nanny when making a speech and had a remarkably threatening glare
Line of Augusta
Augusta, Empress of the Isles, Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1918:d.2005)
Married in 1940 Prince Anthony of Fulda, a distant cousin (b.1916:d.2004)
1) Princess Charlotte, Queen of Norway (b.1941:d.2009) m. Magnus VIII of Norway (b.1939:d.2002)
2) Line of Henry XIII
3) Prince Robert, Duke of Buckingham (b.1943) m. Mary Stafford-Howard, 21st Baroness Stafford (b.1946)
A charming and famously amicable monarch who became known for her down-to-earth and seemingly approachable personality, Augusta ruled during the federalization of the empire following he bloody 60s, and spent her later years mostly supporting the governments that ruled under her (although always showing a particular liking for the Whigs and some special causes) while also buying off cheaply dozens of estates lost by impoverished members of the nobility
Line of Henry XIII
Henry XIII, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1941:d.2011)
By Princess Tatiana of Livonia (b.1944:d.2005) married in 1966, divorced in 1977
Known for being comparable to his namesake in his womanizing, Henry XIII became known during his time as Prince of Wales for his travels across the empire as either an government official or for pleasure, with some claiming he slept with a woman in every town he stopped during his tour in the 60s. A more proactive monarch than his mother, more than once making decisions on the foreign policy of the empire and supporting steadily the investment in expanding the empire outside of its traditional “earthly” territorial ambitions, he had the tendency to butt heads with his prime minister periodically. supportive, in the objective of expanding outside of traditional territorial ambitions).
* A tragic disaster that occurred in January 2008, it saw the Prince of Wales, his wife and 3 of his children dying when, after a large buildup of snow on the mountains around the resort town of Gaspar, an avalanche buried the entire town under meters of snow, killing hundreds as they were buried alive or died from hypothermia. The Prince of Wales’ second son was at the time in Britain (under treatment after having pulled his knee out of the socket), while the youngest was found alive with profound hypothermia and died in hospital care two weeks later
Line of Robert V
Robert V, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1995)
Married in 2017 Princess Maria Octavia of Cologne (b.1988)
The heir to the throne since age 13 and monarch since age 16, being under the shared regency of his uncle and aunt until reaching majority, although at the moment peaceful, his reign has also been marked by tension as Europe and the globe are divided between two great power blocks, and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth verges closer and closer to utter chaos, with the world holding its breath for what is going to come. On a separate note, he has type B hemophilia, inherited through the Princess of Wales from Empress Leopoldina of Brazil
Line of Henry XII & II & I
Henry XII & II & I, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Ireland and Scotland, Prince of Pappenheim (b.1772:d.1837)
Married in 1895 Princess Maria Jadwiga of Prussia (b.1780:d.1852)
1) Princess Anne of Wales (1796), lived for a few days
2) John, Duke of Berwick (b.1798:d.1826) m. Archduchess Maria Carlota of Austria (b.1801:d.1880)
1) Princess Emma of Berwick (b.1819:d.1826))
2) Line of Thomas III
3) Prince Anthony of Berwick (1820) twin of Thomas III, born dead
4) Beatrice, Duchess of Norfolk (b.1824:d.1900)
5) Princess Margaret of Berwick (1826)
3) Princess Elizabeth of Wales (b.1799:d.1805) died of scarlet fever
4) Eleanor, Electress of Brandenburg (b.1802:d.1851) m. Henry I, Elector of Brandenburg (b.1798:d.1866)
1) Anna Carolina, Electress (consort) of Brandenburg (b.1824:d.1895)
2) Frederick, Electoral Prince of Brandenburg (b.1829:d.1840)
5) Arthur I, Emperor of America (b.1802:d.1862) m. Maria Antonia of the Palatinate (b.1806:d.1879)
1) Prince Albert of Wiltshire (b.1824:d.1833)
2) Prince George of Wiltshire (1825)
3) Elizabeth of America, Grand Duchess of Maryland (b.1827:d.1889)
4) Arthur II of America (b.1828:d.1896)
5) Frederick I, Grand Duke of Maine (b.1830:d.1877)
6) Louisa of America (b.1831:d.1899)
7) Georgiana of America, Queen of the Floridas (b.1833:d.1915)
8) Sarah of America (b.1835:d.1841)
9) Henry, Ruler of the United Duchies (b.1836:d.1890)
For most of his life known for being a remarkably pious Prince of Wales, Henry XII & II & I (the only british monarch to use all numerals of his title, as the Names Act of 1836 formally stipulated that his successors were to use the highest possible numeral related to their names) ruled as Emperor during the tail end of the Era of Troubles brought on by the Mexican Revolution and the Imperial Civil War (which disrupted international trade and saw warring on Latin America, Europe and South Asia), and outside of formally ending slavery with the Freedom Act of 1833 is seen as mostly a continuation of the trends of his mother's reign (it also saw the collapse of the Kingdom of Denmark-Norway, but that only tangentially involved the empire)
Line of Thomas III
Thomas III, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Ireland and Scotland, Prince of Pappenheim (b.1820:d.1855)
By Princess Margot FitzGerald, of Leinster (b.1820:d.1848), married in 1841, divorced in 1846
1) Augusta, Queen of Iceland (b.1842:d.1898) m. Erik I of Iceland (b.1836:d.1894)
1) Augusta of Iceland, Grand Duchess of Oldenburg (b.1860:d.1928)
2) Catherine of Iceland (b.1861:d.1864)
3) Christian, Crown Prince of Iceland (b.1863:d.1870)
4) Louise Marie of Iceland, Duchess of Mecklenburg (b.1864:d.1908)
5) Harald II of Iceland (b.1867:d.1926)
6) Margaret of Iceland, Electress of Cologne (b.1868:d.1935)
7) Frederick of Iceland, Duke of Sukkertoppen (b.1871:d.1939)
2) Alice, Duchess of Württemberg (b.1842:d.1905) m. Eberhard IV of Württemberg (b.1823:d.1875)
3) Line of Alexander IV
4) Princess Margaret (b.1846:d.1915) m. Frederick I, Grand Duke of Maine (b.1830:d.1877)
1) Frederick II, Grand Duke of Maine (b.1869:d.1928)
2) Leonor of Maine, Queen of Ohio (b.1871:d.1922)
By Princess Carlota of Portugal (b.1830:d.1870), married in 18511) Prince Arthur, Duke of York (b.1852:d.1875) m. Elizabeth of Hesse-Wanfried (b.1852:d.1875)
1) Line of Elizabeth III
2) Princess Adelaide, Duchess of Southampton (b.1872:d.1955) had a child out of wedlock, possibly with her cousin Edward
3) Princess Mary of York (b.1872:d.1875)
4) Prince Henry of York (b.1875:d.1880)
2) Wolfgang III, Prince of Pappenheim (b.1852:d.1921) married thrice
By Princess Friederike von Liechtenstein of St. Gall (b.1860:d.1884), married in 1878
1) Maria Margaret of Pappenheim (b.1881:d.1883)
2) Matheus, Hereditary Prince of Pappenheim (b.1884:d.1890)
By Princess Maria Adelaide of Löwenstein-Wertheim (b.1862:d.1905), married in 1887
1) Joachim II William, Prince (later Elector) of Pappenheim (b.1889:d.1955)
2) Maria Joana of Pappenheim, Duchess of Saxe-Hildeburghausen (b.1891:d.1978)
3) Maria Magdalena of Pappenheim, Margravine of Brandenburg-Kulmbach (b.1893:d.1961)
4) Maria Leonor of Pappenheim (b.1894:d.1903)
5) Maria Fredericka of Pappenheim, Margravine of Brandenburg-Ansbach (b.1896:d.1952)
By Princess Charlotte of Saxe-Coburg-Eisenach (b.1890:d.1956), married in 1912
1) Christoph Henry of Pappenheim, Prince consort of Herford (b.1915:d.1990)
3) Elizabeth, Empress of Russia (b.1854:d.1933) m. Emperor Ivan IX of Russia (b.1840:d.1906)
1) Empress Olga II of Russia (b.1873:d.1935)
2) Vladimir, Tsarevich of Russia (b.1875:1881)
3) Mikhail, Tsarevich of Russia (b.1877:d.1890)
4) Maria of Russia (b.1878:d.1911)
5) Tatiana of Russia (b.1880:d.1899)
6) Anastasia of Russia (b.1883:d.1944)
A young monarch whose reign was marked by personal and political strife, Thomas III was emperor amidst the Great Peace of Europe, and had everything to be a good one, if not for an incredible bad luck in part of him. Less than a year after assuming the throne, his uncle, then Duke of Wiltshire, who was serving as Viceroy to the North American colonies, declared independence of the Isles in a move moved in great part by his own desire for a crown, sparking a war that would be the background of Thomas' entire reign, and, at the same time, his personal rule was horrid, as the mentally impaired young monarch was used as a pawn by more capable relatives, with his first wife, a distant cousin, even trying to take over with her lover before being deposed and exiled to the Granadines (her lover lost his head). On the bright side, his lack of rule and the instability of the monarchy helped develop British democracy
Line of Alexander IV
Alexander IV, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Scotland and Ireland, Prince of Pappenheim (b.1844:d.1889)
Married in 1863 Princess Victoria Augusta of Hanover (b.1844:d.1903)
1) Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1870:d.1886), was promised to his cousin Adelaide
2) Princess Victoria (1875)
3) Prince George, Duke of Wiltshire (b.1876:d.1885)
3) Prince Henry, Duke of Suffolk (b.1877:d.1887)
The first child monarch in the Isles since Henry XI, Alexander IV’s reign started peaceful and remained so for most of it as the Isles recovered from the problems of his father’s reign, although it was also marked by strife as while in a loving relationship, he did not see any of his children live to adulthood, as his only daughter was born dead and his sons died a year after the other from smallpox, scarlet fever and a riding accident. He was the Emperor to lose Calais, as the Duchy, which had been semi-autonomous for over a century, was conquered by France in 1884, sparking the Franco-British War
Line of Elizabeth III
Elizabeth III, Empress of the Isles, Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1869:d.1948)
Married in 1886 her fourth cousin, Lord Gregory Cromwell, 12th Earl of Ardglass (b.1869:d.1945)
1) Princess Caroline of York, Viscountess Lecale (b.1888:d.1889) born in October, died in January
2) Line of Mary II
3) Elizabeth, Queen of the Netherlands (b.1892:d.1961) m. Frederick V of the Netherlands (b.1888:d.1916)
1) Anna Maria I, Queen of the Netherlands (b.1912:d.1980)
2) Henrietta of the Netherlands, Grand Duchess of Frisia (b.1915:d.1975)
4) Princess Caroline, 1st Duchess of Ardglass (b.1898:d.1959) m. Prince Albert of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg (b.1898:d.1963)
1) Prince George, 2nd Duke of Ardglass (b.1920:d.1991)
2) Princess Margot of Ardglass (b.1921:d.2003)
3) Princess Jane of Ardglass, Viscountess of Goldsborough (b.1924:d.1985)
4) Prince Thomas of Ardglass, Prince of Tyrone (b.1926:d.2009)
5) Princess Louisa of Ardglass, Countess of Dover (b.1928:d.1950)
5) Eleanor, Grand Duchess consort of Fulda (b.1901:d.1987) m. Henry V, Grand Duke of Fulda (b.1898:d.1975)
1) Henry VI, Grand Duke of Fulda (b.1922:d.1979)
2) Maria Elizabeth of Fulda, Grand Duchess of Lorraine (b.1926:d.2010)
3) Prince Edgar of Fulda (b.1929:d.2004)
Born the eldest child of the Duke of York, younger half-brother to Alexander IV, Elizabeth was originally expected to simply be the heiress to her father’s title, but, instead, ended up becoming Empress as all above her in the line of succession died from a reason or another (her father in a flu pandemic, her cousins in a variety of ways, her uncle from tuberculosis and her younger brother of typhoid fever). A long-lived and competent ruler, Elizabeth ruled during the Great War, which saw the collapse of the French and Ottoman Empires and the redrawing of many borders in Europe, the Americas and Africa, as well as causing social changes across the nations involved on it
Line of Mary II
Mary II, Empress of the Isles, Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1890:d.1957)
Married in 1916 the Prince Ludwig of Quedlinburg (b.1892:d.1932)
1) Line of Augusta
2) Princess Charlotte (b.1919:d.1990) m. Francis Stewart, 3rd Duke of Moray (b.1914:d.1985)
1) Arthur George Stewart, 4th Duke of Moray (b.1942:d.2006)
2) Lord Marcus Stewart, Earl of Lagos (b.1943)
3) Lady Margaret Stewart, Baroness Dunsany (b.1945)
4) Lord Francis Stewart (b.1947:d.2016)
3) Princess Adelaide, 1st Duchess of Pembroke (b.1921:d.2010) m. Prince Henri of Strasbourg (b.1918:d.1993)1) Prince Louis, Earl of Haverford (b.1940:d.1987)
2) Princess Louisa, Countess of Montgomery (b.1940:d.2005)
4) Princess Elizabeth (b.1924:d.2008) m. Gerald FitzGerald, 4th Duke of Desmond (b.1921:d.1995)1) Princess Elizabeth of Desmond (b.1951)
2) Henry FitzGerald, 5th Duke of Desmond (b.1952)
3) Prince Maurice FitzGerald, Earl of Killarney (b.1953:d.2007)
4) Princess Olivia of Desmond, Countess of Denbigh (b.1955:d.2018)
5) Princess Jane of Desmond, Countess of Doolin (b.1956)
Much less commented than her mother, Mary II ruled during the peace of the 50s, and is mostly known for the fact that she sounded like an old nanny when making a speech and had a remarkably threatening glare
Line of Augusta
Augusta, Empress of the Isles, Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1918:d.2005)
Married in 1940 Prince Anthony of Fulda, a distant cousin (b.1916:d.2004)
1) Princess Charlotte, Queen of Norway (b.1941:d.2009) m. Magnus VIII of Norway (b.1939:d.2002)
2) Line of Henry XIII
3) Prince Robert, Duke of Buckingham (b.1943) m. Mary Stafford-Howard, 21st Baroness Stafford (b.1946)
1) Prince Arthur, Marquess of Normanby (b.1971)
2) Prince Edward of Buckingham (b.1975:d.1984)
3) Prince Frederick of Buckingham, Prince Consort of Lapland (b.1976:d.2014)
4) Prince Henry of Buckingham, Prince Consort of Neuchatel (b.1978)
4) Princess Albertine (b.1945) m. Howard Craven, 7th Earl of Nottingham (b.1944:d.2002)1) Lord Michael Craven, 8th Earl of Nottingham (b.1970)
2) Lady Adele Craven, Marchioness of Cholmondeley (b.1972)
3) Lady Rachel Craven (b.1977)
A charming and famously amicable monarch who became known for her down-to-earth and seemingly approachable personality, Augusta ruled during the federalization of the empire following he bloody 60s, and spent her later years mostly supporting the governments that ruled under her (although always showing a particular liking for the Whigs and some special causes) while also buying off cheaply dozens of estates lost by impoverished members of the nobility
Line of Henry XIII
Henry XIII, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1941:d.2011)
By Princess Tatiana of Livonia (b.1944:d.2005) married in 1966, divorced in 1977
1) James, Prince of Wales (b.1968:d.2008) m. Constance of Portugal (b.1970:d.2008)
1) Prince Edward of Wales (b.1993:d.2008)
2) Line of Robert V
3) Princess Eleanor of Wales (b.1996:d.2008)
4) Princess Jane of Wales (b.1998:d.2008)
5) Prince Arthur of Wales (b.2001:d.2008) survived the burying of Gaspar* but died later that same year
2) Princess Caroline (b.1970) m. Edward FitzGerald, 18th Duke of Ballybunion (b.1970)
1) Lady Eliza FitzGerald (b.1997)
2) Lord Montagu FitzGerald, Marquess of Hardwicke (b.1999)
3) Lady Eleanor FitzGerald (b.2004)
3) Prince Henry (b.1972) m. Sarah Cavendish, 13th Duchess of Devonshire (b.1971)
1) Prince Victor Tudor-Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (b.2003)
By Catherine of Brandemburg-Kulmbach (b.1950:d.1994) married in 19831) Madeleine, Holy Roman Empress (b.1986) m. Franz I, Holy Roman and Germanic Emperor (b.1985)
1) Karl Frederick, Imperial Crown Prince (b.2010)
2) Archduchess Victoria Carolina of Austria (b.2012)
3) Archduke Joseph Ferdinand of Austria (b.2015)
4) Archduchess Maria Antonia of Austria (b.2016)
By Lady Diana Cavendish, of the Dukes of Newport (b.1970) married in 1995, mistress for years beforehand1) Princess Elizabeth (b.1996) m. George Vincent Crawley, 10th Earl of Grantham (b.1995)
1) Lady Genevive Crawley, Viscountess Downton (b.2017)
2) Lady Lavinia Crawley (b.2018)
2) Prince Charles, 1st Duke of New Hull (b.1998) m. Princess Miriam of Ethiopia (b.1998)
3) Prince Edward (b.2000) m. Maria Henrietta FitzWales, 15th Duchess of St. Albans (b.1994)
1) Prince Edgard FitzWales, Earl of Burford (b.2020)
By Lady Hermione Falconer, of the Lords of Halkerton (b.1940) also Mistress of the Robes from 1971 to 19771) Lady Mary FitzTudor, Countess of Sandwick (b.1962:d.2015) m. Sir Marcus Nightingale (b.1962:d.2018)
1) Lord Arthur Nightingale, 2nd Earl of Sandwick (b.1990)
2) Lord Michael Nightingale (b.1992)
3) Lady Leticia Nightingale (b.1993)
4) Lady Ginevra Nightingale (b.1995)
2) Lord Thomas FitzTudor, Earl of Onchan (b.1965) m. Lady Helena Bonham Carter (b.1966), separated
1) Lord George FitzTudor, Viscount Newtonmore (b.2000)
2) Lady Hannah FitzTudor (b.2001)
By Dame Louisa Freeman, of Belfast (b.1965) his son’s personal secretary, mistress from 1988 to 19911) Lady Katherine FitzTudor (b.1990) m. Arnold Kerr, 12th Marquess of Lothian (b.1979)
1) Lady Samantha Kerr, Countess of Briene (b.2013)
2) Lady Madeleine Kerr (b.2015)
3) Lady Florence Kerr (b.2018)
By Lady Georgiana Spencer, of the Earls of Spencer (b.1980) mistress from 2002 to 20111) Lady Charlotte FitzRoy, Countess of Flintshire (b.2008)
Known for being comparable to his namesake in his womanizing, Henry XIII became known during his time as Prince of Wales for his travels across the empire as either an government official or for pleasure, with some claiming he slept with a woman in every town he stopped during his tour in the 60s. A more proactive monarch than his mother, more than once making decisions on the foreign policy of the empire and supporting steadily the investment in expanding the empire outside of its traditional “earthly” territorial ambitions, he had the tendency to butt heads with his prime minister periodically. supportive, in the objective of expanding outside of traditional territorial ambitions).
* A tragic disaster that occurred in January 2008, it saw the Prince of Wales, his wife and 3 of his children dying when, after a large buildup of snow on the mountains around the resort town of Gaspar, an avalanche buried the entire town under meters of snow, killing hundreds as they were buried alive or died from hypothermia. The Prince of Wales’ second son was at the time in Britain (under treatment after having pulled his knee out of the socket), while the youngest was found alive with profound hypothermia and died in hospital care two weeks later
Line of Robert V
Robert V, Emperor of the Isles, King of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1995)
Married in 2017 Princess Maria Octavia of Cologne (b.1988)
1) Margaret, Princess of Wales (b.2018)
2) Princess Anne (b.2019)
3) Prince Louis, Duke of York (b.2019)
The heir to the throne since age 13 and monarch since age 16, being under the shared regency of his uncle and aunt until reaching majority, although at the moment peaceful, his reign has also been marked by tension as Europe and the globe are divided between two great power blocks, and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth verges closer and closer to utter chaos, with the world holding its breath for what is going to come. On a separate note, he has type B hemophilia, inherited through the Princess of Wales from Empress Leopoldina of Brazil
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A fun little though experiment. Prince Alfred is made King of Canada in 1867 and subsequently his nephew Alexander John (who died as a baby IOTL) becomes King of Australia in 1901.
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Alfred I (b. 1844 r. 1867 d. 1901) m. Maria Alexandrovna
Marie Elsa (b.1898 r.1946 d.1981) m. Erik of Denmark
Alexander I of Australia (b. 1871 r. 1901 d. 1941) m. Marie of Hesse and by Rhine ***
* - here since Bertie and Affie quickly renounce their Coburg claims you Arthur is raised as the Coburg heir and takes the throne
**-Yes there are hockey referneces because what good is this little thought experiment without it. Particularly marrying a Stanley into the CRF.
***Alix of Hesse's little sister who IOTL died of diptheria. Let's assume she doesn't carry hemophilia.
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Alfred I (b. 1844 r. 1867 d. 1901) m. Maria Alexandrovna
- Stillborn daughter (1874)
- Alfred II (1875 - 1934) m. Duchess Elsa of Wurttemberg
- Marie (1876 - 1941) m. Ferdinand I of Romania
- Alexander, Duke of Nova Scotia (1878 - 1947) m. Duchess Sophie Charlotte of Oldenburg
- Victoria (1879 - 1921) m. Arthur, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha*
- Albert, Duke of New Brunswick (1884 - 1949) m. Lady Victoria Stanley **
- Alfred (1898 - 1946)
- Marie Elsa (1899 - 1981) m. Erik of Denmark
Marie Elsa (b.1898 r.1946 d.1981) m. Erik of Denmark
- Alexandra (1927 - 2019) m. Frederick Ponsonby, Earl of Bessborough
- Alfred (1949 - 2020) m. Annabel Macdonald
- Elsa (1951 - 2007) m. David Mulroney
- Louise (1954 - ) m. William Toews
- Victoria (1958 - ) m. Joseph Harper
- Maud (1979 -) m. Philip Davidson
- Marie (1982 - ) m. Luke Jefferies
- Erik (1984 - ) m. Stephanie Adams
- Edward, Duke of Saskatchewan (1987 - ) m. Gabrielle Monet
- Margaret (1989 -) m. Sidney Crosby**
- Alexandra (2017 -)
- Amelia (2019 -)
- Albert (2023 -)
- Adelaide (2026 -)
- Arabella (2026 -)
Alexander I of Australia (b. 1871 r. 1901 d. 1941) m. Marie of Hesse and by Rhine ***
- Alice Victoria (1896 - 1955) m. Prince Maximilian of Waldeck and Pyrmont
- Albert Alexander (1898 - 1921)
- stillborn son (1899)
- Alexander (1929 - 2000) m. Irene of the Netherlands
- Victor, Duke of Tasmania (1933 - 1983) m. Lady Elizabeth Hamilton
- Helena (1933 - 1999) m. John Spencer-Churchill, Duke of Marlbourough
- Charlotte (1935 - 1982) m. James Carnegie, Duke of Fife
- Edward (1970 -) m. Esther Davis
- Margaret (1972 - ) m. Richard Williams-Martin
- Caroline (1974 -) m. Peter Young
- Emma (1977 -) m. Joshua Jakoby
- Alice (2004 - )
- James (2007 -)
* - here since Bertie and Affie quickly renounce their Coburg claims you Arthur is raised as the Coburg heir and takes the throne
**-Yes there are hockey referneces because what good is this little thought experiment without it. Particularly marrying a Stanley into the CRF.
***Alix of Hesse's little sister who IOTL died of diptheria. Let's assume she doesn't carry hemophilia.
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André II of Vitré marries thirdly Constance of Brittany instead of Eustachie de Rays [1]
André II of Vitré (1150-1210) m. a) Matilda of Mayenne (ann. 1190) b) Enoguen of Léon (1155-1198) c) Constance of Brittany (1161-1205) [2]
1 b) Emma of Vitré (b.1192) m. Geoffrey of Rohan
2 b) Eleanor of Vitré (b.1198) m. John III of Dol-Combourg
3 c) André III of Vitré (b.1200) m. Jeanne des Roches, Lady of Sablé (b.1195)
4 c) Constance of Vitré (b.1202) m. Henri de Goelo, Count of Penthièvre (b.1205)
5 c) Conan of Vitré (b.1205) m. Matilda of Fougères (b.1206) [3]
Constance of Brittany (1161-1205) m. a) Geoffrey II of Brittany (1158-1186) b) Ranulf de Blundeville, earl of Chester (1170-1232) (ann.1199) c) André II of Vitré (1150-1210)
1 a) Eleanor of Brittany (b.1184) m. Afonso II of Portugal (b.1185)
2 a) Matilda of Brittany (1185-1189)
3 a) Arhur I of England, Normandy, Britanny and Anjou (b.1187) m. Marie of France (1198-1230)
4 c) André III of Vitré (b.1200) m. Jeanne des Roches, Lady of Sablé (b.1195)
5 c) Constance of Vitré (b.1202) m. Henri de Goelo, Count of Penthièvre (b.1205)
6 c) Conan of Vitré (b.1205) m. Matilda of Fougères (b.1206)
John, King of England, Duke of Aquitaine (1166-1216) [4] m. a) Isabella of Gloucester (1173-1217) b) Isabella of Angoulême (1188-1246)
1 b) Henry I, Duke of Aquitaine (b.1207)
2 b) Richard of Aquitaine (b.1209)
3 b) Joan of Aquitaine (b.1212)
4 b) Isabella of Aquitaine (b.1214)
5 b) Eleanor of Aquitaine (b.1216)
[1] I don't know if Constance could have married André unchallenged OTL but I rather fancy the two of them getting married. After all, André named one of his daughters after Constance.
[2] ITTL Constance dies a little older, not having given birth to twins.
[3] Raoul III of Fougères born a girl.
[4] Here John doesn't lose Normandy, Anjou and Maine but is deposed by Arthur in late 1213 and only retains Aquitaine.
André II of Vitré (1150-1210) m. a) Matilda of Mayenne (ann. 1190) b) Enoguen of Léon (1155-1198) c) Constance of Brittany (1161-1205) [2]
1 b) Emma of Vitré (b.1192) m. Geoffrey of Rohan
2 b) Eleanor of Vitré (b.1198) m. John III of Dol-Combourg
3 c) André III of Vitré (b.1200) m. Jeanne des Roches, Lady of Sablé (b.1195)
4 c) Constance of Vitré (b.1202) m. Henri de Goelo, Count of Penthièvre (b.1205)
5 c) Conan of Vitré (b.1205) m. Matilda of Fougères (b.1206) [3]
Constance of Brittany (1161-1205) m. a) Geoffrey II of Brittany (1158-1186) b) Ranulf de Blundeville, earl of Chester (1170-1232) (ann.1199) c) André II of Vitré (1150-1210)
1 a) Eleanor of Brittany (b.1184) m. Afonso II of Portugal (b.1185)
2 a) Matilda of Brittany (1185-1189)
3 a) Arhur I of England, Normandy, Britanny and Anjou (b.1187) m. Marie of France (1198-1230)
4 c) André III of Vitré (b.1200) m. Jeanne des Roches, Lady of Sablé (b.1195)
5 c) Constance of Vitré (b.1202) m. Henri de Goelo, Count of Penthièvre (b.1205)
6 c) Conan of Vitré (b.1205) m. Matilda of Fougères (b.1206)
John, King of England, Duke of Aquitaine (1166-1216) [4] m. a) Isabella of Gloucester (1173-1217) b) Isabella of Angoulême (1188-1246)
1 b) Henry I, Duke of Aquitaine (b.1207)
2 b) Richard of Aquitaine (b.1209)
3 b) Joan of Aquitaine (b.1212)
4 b) Isabella of Aquitaine (b.1214)
5 b) Eleanor of Aquitaine (b.1216)
[1] I don't know if Constance could have married André unchallenged OTL but I rather fancy the two of them getting married. After all, André named one of his daughters after Constance.
[2] ITTL Constance dies a little older, not having given birth to twins.
[3] Raoul III of Fougères born a girl.
[4] Here John doesn't lose Normandy, Anjou and Maine but is deposed by Arthur in late 1213 and only retains Aquitaine.
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Edward III of France and England and m. Philippa of Hainault(a)
1a. Edward the Black Prince b. 1330 m. Eleanor of Portugal
2a. Isabella of England b. 1332
3a. Joanna, Queen of Castile b. 1334 m. Peter of Castile
4a. Lionel of Antwerp 1338 m. Elizabeth of Burgh(a) Violante Visconti(b)
5a. John of Gaunt, First Duke of Provence b. 1340 m. Francesca of Naples[1]
6a. Edmund Langley, Duke of Lancaster b. 1341 m. Blanche of Lancaster
7a. Margaret b. 1346 m. John Hastings
8a. Thomas of Woodstock b. 1355 m. Eleanor of Bohun
If Edward III is recognized as the heir to France.
1.Daughter of Joanna of Naples
1a. Edward the Black Prince b. 1330 m. Eleanor of Portugal
2a. Isabella of England b. 1332
3a. Joanna, Queen of Castile b. 1334 m. Peter of Castile
4a. Lionel of Antwerp 1338 m. Elizabeth of Burgh(a) Violante Visconti(b)
5a. John of Gaunt, First Duke of Provence b. 1340 m. Francesca of Naples[1]
6a. Edmund Langley, Duke of Lancaster b. 1341 m. Blanche of Lancaster
7a. Margaret b. 1346 m. John Hastings
8a. Thomas of Woodstock b. 1355 m. Eleanor of Bohun
If Edward III is recognized as the heir to France.
1.Daughter of Joanna of Naples
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Who is this Eleanor of Portugal? I can't seem to find her anywhere.
Thomas Lancaster, Duke of Clarence, has kids with Margaret Holland (under construction)
Thomas (1388-1415) Duke of Clarence, m. Margaret Holland (1385-1439)
1) Mary (1412-1465) m. James I (1394-1437) King of Scotland
2) Blanche (1413-1484) m. Philip III (1396-1467) Duke of Burgundy
3) Humphrey (1415-1470) Duke of Clarence, m. Margaret de Ros (1425-1488)
** Henry VI dies when Edward of Westminster is still infant, Humphrey of Clarence is regent, and marries young king to his own daughter.
Thomas (1388-1415) Duke of Clarence, m. Margaret Holland (1385-1439)
1) Mary (1412-1465) m. James I (1394-1437) King of Scotland
1) Alexander IV (1429-1455) King of Scotland 1437
2) James II (1431-1480) King of Scotland 1455
2) Blanche (1413-1484) m. Philip III (1396-1467) Duke of Burgundy
1) Margaret (1430-1491) m. Charles IV/I (1421-1482) King of Navarre and Aragon
2) Anthony (1432-1480) Duke of Burgundy
4) Charles (1434)
5) Mary (1437-1469) m. Philip VII* (1436-1483) King of France
3) Humphrey (1415-1470) Duke of Clarence, m. Margaret de Ros (1425-1488)
1) Thomas (1443-1465)
2) Humphrey (1445-1450)
3) Henry (1446-1448)
4) John II (1448-1503) King of England 1475, m. a) Isabel Neville (1451-1476) b)
5) Margaret (1450)
6) Henry (1452-1453)
7) Blanche (1454-1480) m. Edward IV (1453-1475) King of England**
* ITTL Philip, instead of Louis, is the oldest surviving son of Charles VII** Henry VI dies when Edward of Westminster is still infant, Humphrey of Clarence is regent, and marries young king to his own daughter.
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I'm assuming, since all Edward III's kids have their OTL "titles" (of Gaunt, of Langley, of Woodstock) that the POD is after they are born? Since it seems pretty weird that all his kids are born in England.
because he would spend time in two countries but his children wont.
And when does Edward get named heir to the throne of France? I'm guessing that the situation involves Jean II dying before he has children?
Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre (b.1754:d.1793) m. Maria Antonia of Austria (b.1755:d.1793)
1) Marie Thérese, Fille de France (b.1778:d.1855) m. João VI, King of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves (b.1767:d.1831)
1) Pedro I, Emperor of Brazil (b.1799:d.1844)
2) Infanta Maria Antonia (b.1801:d.1816)
3) Infanta Maria Isabel (b.1802:d.1881)
4) Manuel II, King of Portugal and the Algarves (b.1804:d.1879)
5) Infanta Maria of the Rosary (b.1805:d.1860) a carmelite nun
6) Infanta Maria Ana of Jesus (b.1806:d.1810)
7) Infanta Maria Francisca of Salvador (b.1808:d.1890)
2) Louis XVII & I, King of France and Louisiane (b.1781:d.1826) m. Maria Amalia of Austria (b.1780:d.1866)
1) Henry V, King of France (b.1803:d.1862)
2) Maria Clotilde of France (b.1805:d.1810) died of smallpox
3) Maria Magdalene of France (b.1806:d.1848)
4) Henri Philippe, Grand Duke of Saint Domingue (b.1811:d.1870)
3) Louis II, King of Louisiane(b.1785:d.1834) m. Maria Amelia of Naples and Sicily (b.1782:d.1821) (a) m. Maria Francisca of Salvador (b.1808:d.1885)
1a) Louis II, King of Louisiane (b.1809:d.1871)
2a) Marie Louise of Louisiane (b.1810:d.1818)
3a) Marie Felicite of Louisiane (b.1812:d.1889)
4a) Sophie Helene of Louisiane (b.1814:d.1840)
5a) Charles Louis, Duke of Saint Louis (b.1815:d.1831)
6a) Henry Alphonse, Duke of Baton Rouge (b.1817:d.1820)
7a) Marie Josephine of Louisiane (b.1819:d.1900)
8a) Marie Éthiene of Louisiane (1821)
1b) Marie Louise of Louisiane (b.1823:d.1894)
2b) Louis Albert of Louisiane , Duke of Saint Louis (b.1825:d.1900)
3b) Marie Antoinette of Louisiane (b.1827:d.1880)
4) Sophie Beatrix, Fille de France (b.1786:d.1878)
Just a family line involving an initial POD of France not losing Louisiana to Spain in the end of the Seven Years' War (with most of the population of Quebec later moving to there) and later the children of Louis XVII (including a Dauphin that lived to adulthood) escaping prison after accidentally hearing about the execution of their parents and fleeing firstly to Britain and later to Louisiana, who remained under royalist control). After a Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars that follow similarly to OTL, the older of the two Louis ends up having to return to France after the Congress of Vienna, making that upon his death Louisiana will be inherited by his brother while Saint Domingue will be inherited by his second son
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Descendants of Louis d'Anjou and Elizabeth of Bosnia.
Louis I (1326-1382) king of Hungary 1342, King of Poland 1370, m. a) Margaret of Bohemia (1335-1349) b) Elizabeth of Bosnia (1339-1387)
1b) Catherine (1370-1378)
2b) Mary (1371-1411) Queen of Hungary, m. Sigismund of Luxembourg (1368-1437)
3b) Hedwig (1374-1426) Queen of Poland, m. Vladislaus II Jogaila (ca 1360-1434)
Louis I (1326-1382) king of Hungary 1342, King of Poland 1370, m. a) Margaret of Bohemia (1335-1349) b) Elizabeth of Bosnia (1339-1387)
1b) Catherine (1370-1378)
2b) Mary (1371-1411) Queen of Hungary, m. Sigismund of Luxembourg (1368-1437)
1) Elizabeth (1395-1465) m. Albert Habsburg (1397-1439) King of Bohemia and Hungary, King of the Romans 1437
1) Mary (1422-1434)
2) Elizabeth (1423-1465) m. Louis II (1410-1470) King of Poland
3) Catherine (1424)
4) Stephen I/VI (1426-1463) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1439, Holy Roman Emperor, m. Dorothea of Brandenburg (1431-1495)
3b) Hedwig (1374-1426) Queen of Poland, m. Vladislaus II Jogaila (ca 1360-1434)
1) Elizabeth (1396-1433) m. Eric of Pommerania (1382-1459) King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden
1) Eric (1420-1425)
2) Magnus (1422-1482) King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, 1459, m. Elizabeth of Brandenburg (1425-1465)
3) Margaret (1424-1427)
4) Hedwig (1425-1479) m. Henry VI (1421-1475) King of England
2) Hedwig (1400)
3) Mary (1402-1404)
4) Vladislaus III (1407-1436) King of Poland 1434, m. Magdalene of Brandenburg (1412-1454)
5) Louis II (1410-1470), King of Poland 1436, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1423-1465)
1) Vladislaus (1441-1442)
2) Vladislaus (1443-1495) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1463
3) Louis III (1447-1502) King of Poland 1470
4) Casimir (1449-1486)
5) Hedwig (1452-1504)
Portugal was never considered for Marie Thérèse (although a match between José, Prince of Brasil (Joao VI's eldest brother) and Madame Elisabeth was considered in the early years of Louis XVI's reign). Fiancées that were considered were the short-lived son of Carlos IV born in 1780, her cousin in Naples, OTL Louis Philippe (although Antoinette had a personal dislike for Philippe Egalité) and Victor Emanuel I of Savoy. A "joke" candidate was Gustaf IV of Sweden, although I seriously doubt such a match.
Not only that, but such a massive POD in 1763 (France not losing Louisiana) can alter the entire cause of the French Revolution. Why? Because do you really think that Louis XVI (who was reluctant to help the colonies from the start) is going to help the Americans here? He was only talked into it by his ministers who convinced him that it would be a show of strength against Britain. Secondly, even if he does help the colonies, if he still owns Louisiane he's in a position to force them to trade with him instead of England (he expected this OTL and was pissed off when the former colonies continued to trade with Britain instead). This trade would perhaps "alleviate" the debt incurred.
Alternatively, if he doesn't help the colonies (but doesn't help the Brits either), they need to find foreign assistance elsewhere. Spain might, but not controlling Louisiane she'd have no interest; the Dutch can provide financial backing as they did OTL, but ultimately, my opinion is that Britain keeps the colonies. The colonies' revolution fails or, without French assistance, the national debt isn't worsened (it was actually getting under control before Louis decided to get in on the action in America IIRC), France might not revolt for another few years (if at all).
And that's leaving out the idea that a king of France will willingly give up France to become king of the boonies (no offense to the Missouri-Mississippi basin of today), Brasil at least had some infrastructure when the Portuguese court arrived there OTL. Same goes for Brasil, a nerfed/different French Revolution with no Napoléon means that likely the Portuguese court never flees there, which means Brasil (hell, most of South America) doesn't get its independence the OTL way.