Also good option, it is not final version and I'm open for suggestions.
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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Mary Tudor who married here? She would be a good option for Christian II of Denmark freeing Isabella for John III of Portugal. I guess John III of Spain will marry Isabella of Portugal...
She'd have no living father or brother to force her to marry, so maybe Charles Brandon?
Well Philip and Elizabeth will choose her match if neither Henry had already chosen someone for her AND Denmark would be a good solution.
Arthur of Brittany b. 1187 m. Richeza of Denmark(a)
1a. Richard II of England b. 1202 m. Mahaut of Boulogne
1a1a. Henry III of England b. 1220 m. Eleanor of Provence
1a1a1a. Edward I of England b. 1239 m. Eleanor of Castile, Countess of Pointheu
2a. Matilda of England b. 1203 m. Henry I of Castile
3a. William XI, Duke of Aquitaine b. 1206
4a. Geoffroy of Anjou b. 1210
5a. Eleanor of England b. 1211 m. Valdemar III of Denmark
6a. Raymond VI, Count of Toulouse and Provence b. 1214 m. Margaret I of Provence
1a. Richard II of England b. 1202 m. Mahaut of Boulogne
1a1a. Henry III of England b. 1220 m. Eleanor of Provence
1a1a1a. Edward I of England b. 1239 m. Eleanor of Castile, Countess of Pointheu
2a. Matilda of England b. 1203 m. Henry I of Castile
3a. William XI, Duke of Aquitaine b. 1206
4a. Geoffroy of Anjou b. 1210
5a. Eleanor of England b. 1211 m. Valdemar III of Denmark
6a. Raymond VI, Count of Toulouse and Provence b. 1214 m. Margaret I of Provence
Scenario: A surviving Joana of Braganza, Princess of Beira is unmarried in 1662 to marry the King of England.
Charles II, King of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1630: d.1685) m. Joana of Braganza, Princess of Beira (b.1635: d.1692) (a)
Charles II, King of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1630: d.1685) m. Joana of Braganza, Princess of Beira (b.1635: d.1692) (a)
1a) Charles Stuart, Prince of Wales (b.1663: d.1669)
2a) Margaret Stuart, Princess Royal (b.1665: d.1699) m. Louis, Dauphin of France (b.1661: d.1711) (a)
1a) Marie Isabelle, Princess of France (b.1693)
2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1695)
3a) Francois, Duke of Anjou (b.1698)
3a) James Stuart, Duke of Gloucester (b.1666: d.1668)
4a) Henry IX, King of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1668: d.1711) m. Isabel Luísa, Princess of Beira (b.1669: d.1689) (a), Elisabeth Sophie of Brandenburg (b.1674: d.1748) (b)
1b) Elizabeth Stuart, Princess of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1693)
2b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1695)
3b) James II, King of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1696)
4b) William Stuart, Duke of Gloucester (b.1698)
5b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1700)
6b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1701)
7b) George Stuart, Duke of Kintyre (b.1703)
8b) Stillborn Son (c.1704)
5a) Anne Stuart, Princess of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1670: d.1702) m. Johann Wilhelm, Elector Palatine (b.1658: d.1716) (a)
1a) Joanna Elisabeth of Neuburg (b.1691)
I'm considering now to let Juan de Asturias to live longer and to have more kids (including future wife of João III of Portugal).
Henry VIII d. 1548 m. Catherine of Aragon d. 1518(a) m. Beatrice of Portugal(b)
1a. Mary I m. Philip II of Spain(b)[1]
1b1a. Henry IX b. 1549
2a. Margaret of England b. 1518 m. Francis II of France
2a1a. Henry II of France b. 1536
3b. Elizabeth b. 1522 m. James V of Scotland
4b. Edward VI b. 1528 d. 1553
1. Mary I marries Philip II in 1547 after the death of his first wife.
1a. Mary I m. Philip II of Spain(b)[1]
1b1a. Henry IX b. 1549
2a. Margaret of England b. 1518 m. Francis II of France
2a1a. Henry II of France b. 1536
3b. Elizabeth b. 1522 m. James V of Scotland
4b. Edward VI b. 1528 d. 1553
1. Mary I marries Philip II in 1547 after the death of his first wife.
Good but still, unless she is already married off/engaged by her father/brother Philip will have also Mary Tudor available when Christian will ask for a bride AND is likely to get her (who is the best option available for age)
Probably should have clarified that ATL the marriage contract specified that should Mary and Philip not have children, the Netherlands would go to Margaret's children. Possibly ASB tbh
No, no pretty likely to happen for persuading the English to two Habsburg matches...
(I wanted to do a chaotic family tree. This took me forever, when I should have been doing work, but oh well.)
BACKGROUND/DIVERGENCES FROM HISTORY:
- Instead of the Duke of Gloucester (Richard III) usurping the throne, Edward V was officially crowned at Westminster Abbey after a public reconciliation between Elizabeth Woodville and Richard, Duke of Gloucester. Despite this, King Edward V and Gloucester's relations are tense due to Gloucester and the Woodvilles regular (but not public) hostilities over matters of power. Edward V gains full control of his government in 1486.
- George Plantagenet, Duke of Bedford, never caught the bubonic plague.
THE CHILDREN OF KING EDWARD IV AND ELIZABETH WOODVILLE:
1. Elizabeth of York (1466-1511) m. Maximilian, Holy Roman Emperor (1459-1519)
1. Eleanor of Austria (1487)
2. Eduard of Austria (1490-1525)
3. Ernest of Austria (1491-1544)
4. Maximilian of Austria (1494-95)
5. Johann of Austria (1497-99)
6. Maria of Austria (1499-1548)
2. Mary of York (1467-1482)
3. Cecily of York (1469-1507) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513)
1. Margaret of Scotland (1486-91)
2. James of Scotland (1489)
3. James of Scotland (1491-1517)
4. Robert of Scotland (1495-1513)
4. Edward V of England (1470-1518) m. Anne of Brittany (1477-1514)
1. Edward of England (1492-1511), NO ISSUE
2. Anne of England (1495-1519)
3. Elizabeth of England (1496)
4. Cecily of England (1498)
5. Lionel of England (1501)
6. Edmund of England (1503)
7. Francis of England (1506)
8. Isabel of England (1508-1539)
9. Margaret of England (1511)
5. Margaret of York (1472-72)
6. Richard, Duke of York (1473-1519) m. (a) Anne de Mowbray (1472-81), Countess of Norfolk, (b) Katherine Howard (1471-1539) (1)
1b. Elizabeth of York (1492)
2b. Anne of York (1493-1506)
3b. Cecily of York (1495-1571)
4b. Katherine of York (1496-1549)
5b. Richard of York (1498-1526)
6b. Edward of York (1500)
7b. Phillipa of York (1501-1550)
8b. Elizabeth of York (1503-1542)
9b. John of York (1509-1516)
10b. Anthony of York (1512-1536)
7. Anne of York (1475-1511) m. Philip, Duke of Burgundy (1478-1506)
1. Charles of Burgundy (1493)
2. Philip of Burgundy (1495-1539)
3. Anne of Burgundy (1496-97)
4. Francis of Burgundy (1500)
5. Maximilian of Burgundy (1502-1545)
8. George, Duke of Bedford and Earl of Pembroke (1477-1539) m. Elizabeth Herbert, Baroness Herbert (1476-1527) (2)
1. Elizabeth of Bedford (1496-1502)
2. William of Bedford (1497-1550)
3. George of Bedford (1499-1548)
4. Cecily of Bedford (1503-1562)
5. Edward of Bedford (1505-1544)
6. Mary of Bedford (1507)
7. Margaret of Bedford (1509-1520)
8. Eleanor of Bedford (1511-1559)
9. Richard of Bedford (1514-1563)
9. Catherine of York (1479-1527) m. Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497)
1. Juan of Spain (1494-97)
2. Anna of Spain (1496)
3. Alfonso of Spain (1497-1531)
10. Bridget of York (1580-1517)
MONARCHS:
1. Edward V (1483-1518)
2. Richard III (formerly Richard, Duke of York) (1518-1519)
3. Richard IV (eldest son of Richard III) (1519-1526)
4. Anthony I (next surviving son of Richard III) (1526-1536; was seen as mentally impaired, even in youth, leading to a Lord Protector remaining in appointment (Bedford), Bedford was the true power behind the throne)
5. George I (formerly George, Duke of Bedford) (1536-1539)
6. William III (formerly William of Bedford (1539-1548; was married to Princess Isabel of England (second daughter of Edward V) during the reign of Anthony I)
continues through the descendants of William III and Isabel of England
(1) marriage organised in an attempt to appease the Howard family due to them being stripped of the Norfolk inheritance, along with them being given generous lands in the south of England. Katherine Howard is the only child from the second marriage of John, Lord Howard, and would have been born some time after 1467.
(2) not made Countess of Pembroke due to Edward V's regard for inheritance laws, which his father lacked. Lived longer as I assume she died in childbirth and in this the births are different
BACKGROUND/DIVERGENCES FROM HISTORY:
- Instead of the Duke of Gloucester (Richard III) usurping the throne, Edward V was officially crowned at Westminster Abbey after a public reconciliation between Elizabeth Woodville and Richard, Duke of Gloucester. Despite this, King Edward V and Gloucester's relations are tense due to Gloucester and the Woodvilles regular (but not public) hostilities over matters of power. Edward V gains full control of his government in 1486.
- George Plantagenet, Duke of Bedford, never caught the bubonic plague.
THE CHILDREN OF KING EDWARD IV AND ELIZABETH WOODVILLE:
1. Elizabeth of York (1466-1511) m. Maximilian, Holy Roman Emperor (1459-1519)
1. Eleanor of Austria (1487)
2. Eduard of Austria (1490-1525)
3. Ernest of Austria (1491-1544)
4. Maximilian of Austria (1494-95)
5. Johann of Austria (1497-99)
6. Maria of Austria (1499-1548)
2. Mary of York (1467-1482)
3. Cecily of York (1469-1507) m. James IV of Scotland (1473-1513)
1. Margaret of Scotland (1486-91)
2. James of Scotland (1489)
3. James of Scotland (1491-1517)
4. Robert of Scotland (1495-1513)
4. Edward V of England (1470-1518) m. Anne of Brittany (1477-1514)
1. Edward of England (1492-1511), NO ISSUE
2. Anne of England (1495-1519)
3. Elizabeth of England (1496)
4. Cecily of England (1498)
5. Lionel of England (1501)
6. Edmund of England (1503)
7. Francis of England (1506)
8. Isabel of England (1508-1539)
9. Margaret of England (1511)
5. Margaret of York (1472-72)
6. Richard, Duke of York (1473-1519) m. (a) Anne de Mowbray (1472-81), Countess of Norfolk, (b) Katherine Howard (1471-1539) (1)
1b. Elizabeth of York (1492)
2b. Anne of York (1493-1506)
3b. Cecily of York (1495-1571)
4b. Katherine of York (1496-1549)
5b. Richard of York (1498-1526)
6b. Edward of York (1500)
7b. Phillipa of York (1501-1550)
8b. Elizabeth of York (1503-1542)
9b. John of York (1509-1516)
10b. Anthony of York (1512-1536)
7. Anne of York (1475-1511) m. Philip, Duke of Burgundy (1478-1506)
1. Charles of Burgundy (1493)
2. Philip of Burgundy (1495-1539)
3. Anne of Burgundy (1496-97)
4. Francis of Burgundy (1500)
5. Maximilian of Burgundy (1502-1545)
8. George, Duke of Bedford and Earl of Pembroke (1477-1539) m. Elizabeth Herbert, Baroness Herbert (1476-1527) (2)
1. Elizabeth of Bedford (1496-1502)
2. William of Bedford (1497-1550)
3. George of Bedford (1499-1548)
4. Cecily of Bedford (1503-1562)
5. Edward of Bedford (1505-1544)
6. Mary of Bedford (1507)
7. Margaret of Bedford (1509-1520)
8. Eleanor of Bedford (1511-1559)
9. Richard of Bedford (1514-1563)
9. Catherine of York (1479-1527) m. Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497)
1. Juan of Spain (1494-97)
2. Anna of Spain (1496)
3. Alfonso of Spain (1497-1531)
10. Bridget of York (1580-1517)
MONARCHS:
1. Edward V (1483-1518)
2. Richard III (formerly Richard, Duke of York) (1518-1519)
3. Richard IV (eldest son of Richard III) (1519-1526)
4. Anthony I (next surviving son of Richard III) (1526-1536; was seen as mentally impaired, even in youth, leading to a Lord Protector remaining in appointment (Bedford), Bedford was the true power behind the throne)
5. George I (formerly George, Duke of Bedford) (1536-1539)
6. William III (formerly William of Bedford (1539-1548; was married to Princess Isabel of England (second daughter of Edward V) during the reign of Anthony I)
continues through the descendants of William III and Isabel of England
(1) marriage organised in an attempt to appease the Howard family due to them being stripped of the Norfolk inheritance, along with them being given generous lands in the south of England. Katherine Howard is the only child from the second marriage of John, Lord Howard, and would have been born some time after 1467.
(2) not made Countess of Pembroke due to Edward V's regard for inheritance laws, which his father lacked. Lived longer as I assume she died in childbirth and in this the births are different
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Just two things about your tree:
1) Edward IV (and V) would made George of Bedford as Earl of Pembroke not Elizabeth as Countess in her own right (in OTL Pembroke was extinct at this point) AND giving the Norfolk inheritance to Richard (or the Essex to Anne St. Ledger after that lands were given to her mother, after being stripped from her first husband) would NOT be neither the only or the first time in which a wedding contract established who a surviving spouse was entitled to the inheritance of the other in absence of children.
2) the names for Maximilian and Elizabeth’s children are a little off: Duarte is Portuguese (and Carlos is a Spanish form), the German form would be Eduard, and Max would likely use the name of his paternal grandfather (Ernest) before that of his father (Frederick) and likely would not use Charles.
Descendants of Edward IV:
Edward IV (1442-1483) King of England, Duke of Burgundy iure uxoris m. a) Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1472) b) Mary of Burgundy (1457-1505)
1a) Elizabeth (1466-) m. John II (1455-1495) King of Portugal (as second wife)
2a) Mary (1467-1482)
3a) Cecily (1469-1507) m. James IV (1473-) King of Scotland
4a) Edward V (1470-1526) King of England 1483, m. a) Isabella of Castile (1470-1500) (her second husband-Afonso still have ridding accident) b) Elizabeth of Denmark (1485-1555)
5a) Margaret (1472)
5b) Charles (1475-1477)
6b) Richard (1477-1512) Duke of Burgundy 1505, m. Joanna of Castile (1479-1555)
7b) Charles II (1480-1534) Duke of Burgundy 1512, m. Anna of Cleves (1495-1567)
York wank scenario thanks Habsburg style luck descendants of Edward IV gets Burgundy and Spain. Richard of Gloucester could not simply declare Edward V illegitimate (as there are still sons of E4 and Mary of Burgundy between Gloucester and the throne anyway). Almost complete.
Edward IV (1442-1483) King of England, Duke of Burgundy iure uxoris m. a) Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1472) b) Mary of Burgundy (1457-1505)
1a) Elizabeth (1466-) m. John II (1455-1495) King of Portugal (as second wife)
1) Edward II (1484-1541) King of Portugal 1495, m. Catherine of Castile (1485-1540)
2) Joanna (1486-1492)
3) Peter (1488-1512) Duke of Coimbra
4) Isabella (1491-1529) m. Edward I (1493-1518) King of Castile and Aragon (see below)
2a) Mary (1467-1482)
3a) Cecily (1469-1507) m. James IV (1473-) King of Scotland
1) James (1491-1496)
2) Alexander IV (1494-1550) King of Scotland
3) Elizabeth (1496-1497)
4a) Edward V (1470-1526) King of England 1483, m. a) Isabella of Castile (1470-1500) (her second husband-Afonso still have ridding accident) b) Elizabeth of Denmark (1485-1555)
1a) Edward I (1493-1518) King of Castile 1504, King of Aragon 1516, m Isabella of Portugal (see above)
2a) Richard (1495-1510)
3a) Elizabeth (1498-1551)
4b) John II (1503-1578) King of England 1526
5b) Cecily (1505-1558)
6b) William (1508)
7b) Margaret (1511-1543)
8b) Christian (1513-1562) Duke of Bedford
5a) Margaret (1472)
5b) Charles (1475-1477)
6b) Richard (1477-1512) Duke of Burgundy 1505, m. Joanna of Castile (1479-1555)
7b) Charles II (1480-1534) Duke of Burgundy 1512, m. Anna of Cleves (1495-1567)
1) Philip IV (1514-1569) Duke of Burgundy 1534
York wank scenario thanks Habsburg style luck descendants of Edward IV gets Burgundy and Spain. Richard of Gloucester could not simply declare Edward V illegitimate (as there are still sons of E4 and Mary of Burgundy between Gloucester and the throne anyway). Almost complete.
krieger
Banned
Shouldn't Elizabeth, daughter of Edward V come ahead of his brother under Yorkist interpretation of succesion law?
Assuming he is even born? Marriage of his parents was arranged by Louis XII and Anne of Brittany as part of planned Valois-Jagiellon alliance against Habsburgs, Hansburgs not having Burgundian inheritance means significant geopolitical change.
krieger
Banned
Good point, I forgot who arranged that marriage. But Vladislaus would still need a heir, so he should marry a woman and consummate this marriage. Habsburgs not having Burgundian inheritance means, that they'd have a lot less pressure on Jagiellons.