List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Scenario: Mary, Queen of Scots has a daughter by Francis II of France, and is forced to leave her in the care of Catherine de Medici when she returns to Scotland. Then, when she begins talks with England, she takes Elizabeth of England up on her offer and agrees to marry Robert Dudley, only to have the Queen of England and her favourite elope on the way there, and that rightfully leaves her feeling put out. Henry Stuart fails to impress her and instead she chooses the Hapsburg option, marrying the Archduke of Austria soon after. England and Scotland find themselves incredibly antagonistic over the next few years, with Mary using Elizabeth's guilt over the way this has all gone to balance against Catherine de Medici, who remains suspicious of Mary due to her guise connections. The Princess Marie in France, meanwhile, struggles to find a husband in a court where her grandmother is unwilling to allow her to marry at all, leaving her single when the King of Navarre, now King of France, divorces her aunt and approaches her for marriage. England and Scotland find common ground with a match between the eldest Scottish Princess and the Prince of Wales, although Mary remains upset at her gilting throughout the rest of her days.

Mary I, Queen of Scotland (b.1542: d.1593) m. Francis II, King of France (b.1544: d.1560) (a), Charles, Archduke of Austria (b.1540: d.1590) (b)

1a) Marie, Princess of France and Scotland (b.1560: d.1622) m. Henry IV, King of France (b.1553: d.1610) (a)​
1a) Francis III, King of France (b.1599)​
2a) Marie, Princess of France (b.1601)​
3a) Stillborn Son (c.1603)​
4a) Louis, Duke of Orleans (b.1604)​
2b) Elizabeth, Princess of Scotland (b.1566: d.1601) m. Henry IX, King of England (b.1565: d.1622) (a)​
- had surviving issue​
3b) James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1568: d.1583)​
4b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1570)​
5b) Stillborn Son (c.1571)​
6b) Charles I, King of Scotland (b.1574: d.1626) m. Maria Anna of Bavaria (b.1574: d.1616) (a)​
1a) Eleanor, Princess of Scotland (b.1595: d.1526)​
2a) Christine, Princess of Scotland (b.1597)​
3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1598)​
4a) James VI, King of Scotland (b.1600: d.1628)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1603)​
6a) Mary, Princess of Scotland (b.1605)​
7a) Stillborn Son (c.1606)​
8a) Charles, Prince of Scotland (b.1608: d.1608)​
7b) Margaret, Princess of Scotland (b.1576: d.1578)​
8b) Robert, Duke of Albany (b.1578: d.1610) m. Jane Campbell (c.1580: d.1650) (a)​
1a) Margaret von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1600)​
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1603)​
3a) Elizabeth von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1606)​
4a) Anabella von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1608)​
5a) Stillborn Son (c.1610)​
6a) Joan von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1613)​
7a) Stillborn Son (c.1615)​
8a) Mary von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1617)​
9b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1579)​
10b) Anne, Princess of Scotland (b.1581: d.1625) m. William Keith, Earl Marischal (b.1585: d.1635) (a)​
1a) James Keith, Earl of Marischal (b.1602)​
2a) Sir Ferdinand Keith (b.1604: d.1630)​
3a) Stillborn Son (c.1605)​
4a) Mary Keith (b.1606)​
5a) Stillborn Son (c.1608)​
6a) Charles Keith (b.1610)​
7a) Grace Keith (b.1613)​
8a) Stillborn Son (c.1615)​



Elizabeth I, Queen of England (b.1533: d.1603) m. Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester (b.1532: d.1586) (a)

1a) Henry IX, King of England (b.1565: d.1622) m. Elizabeth, Princess of Scotland (b.1566: d.1601) (a), Catherine of Lorraine (b.1573: d.1648) (b)​
1a) Elizabeth Dudley, Princess of England (b.1586: d.1621) m. Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk (b.1586: d.1646) (a)​
1a) Catherine Howard (b.1603)​
2a) Robert I, King of England and Ireland (1608)​
3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1611)​
4a) Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk (b.1615)​
5a) Elizabeth Howard (b.1619)​
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1587)​
3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1588)​
4a) Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester (b.1590: d.1599)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1592)​
6a) Anne Dudley, Princess of England (b.1593)​
7a) Henry Dudley, Earl of Leicester (b.1595: d.1610)​
8a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1597)​
9a) Margaret Dudley, Princess of England (b.1600: d.1606)​
10b) Henry X, King of England and Ireland (b.1603: d.1625)​
11b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1605)​
12b) Edward Dudley, Duke of Clarence (b.1604: d.1620)​
13b) Claude, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1607)​
14b) Arthur I, King of England and Ireland (b.1609: d.1633)​
2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1567)​
3a) Robert Dudley, Duke of York (b.1570: d.1608) m. Elizabeth de Vere (b.1575: d.1627) (a)​
1a) Edward Dudley, Duke of York (b.1598)​
2a) Henry Dudley (b.1599: d.1612)​
3a) Sir John Dudley (b.1603)​
Only a couple of things: no way Mary's daughter will be left behind in France and specially not in the custody of Catherine de Medici when she is the heiress presumptive of Scotland until the birth of a brother while she has no right to the French crown. If the younger Marie will stay for some time in France she will be left to her maternal relatives, the Guisas, not her paternal ones and she would sent in Scotland as soon her mother call her...
I think pretty unlikely who Mary’s second daughter will be called Elizabeth her and would be better calling her Anne (after her paternal grandmother and the Duchess of Guisa), with the next one as Elizabeth or better Isabelle (as she would be named after the Queen of Spain not that of England).
Also Robert for Mary’s third son? Alexander or David would be better if you go native or Francis (after the Duke of Guisa), Maximilian or Ferdinand (paternal uncle and grandfather) are more likely to be chosen
 
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Bolesław V of Cracow and Kinga of Hungary do not vow chasity. They have son, who inherits Cracow after father. Bolesław and Kinga are not chaste, but still very pious, thus they're both canonized one day (Kinga was canonized IOTL while Bolesław was close, having descendants, who'll advocate for their canonization it is likely they'll be both saints one day, and patrons of Kingdom of Poland).

Bolesław V (1226-1279) Duke of Cracow m. 1239 Kinga of Hungary (1234-1292)

1) Leszek II (1252-1293) Duke of Cracow 1279-1293 m. 1266 Anna of Greater Poland (1253-1334)

1) Bolesław VI (1271-1306) Duke of Cracow 1293, Duke of Greater Poland 1297, King of Poland 1300-1306) m. 1288 Anna of Mazovia (1270-1324)​

2) Kinga (1273-1327) m. 1292 Andrew III of Hungary (1365-1301) has issue​

3) Leszek (1280-1285)​

4) Przemysł (1282-1288)​

5) Kazimierz III (1285-1351) King of Poland 1306-1351 m. a) 1309 Margaret of Bohemia (1296-1322) b) 1325 Eufemia of Wrocław (1312-1383)​

1a) Leszek (1312-1320)​
2a) Kazimierz (1315-1322)​
3a) Bolesław (1316-1318)​
4a) Jan I (1318-1372) King of Poland 1351-1372 m. 1342 Elizabeth of Hungary* (1327-1381)​
1) Kazimierz (1345-1350​
2) Bolesław (1347-1349)​
3) Jan II (1348-1419) King of Poland 1372-1419​
4) Anna (1354)​
5a) Anna (1320-1371) m. 1338 Bogusław V of Pomerania (1318-1374)​
6b) Henryk (1329-1338)​
7b) Eufemia (1332-1389)​
* Granddaughter of Andrew III of Hungary
 
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I think Charles and Camilla great affair really started only after the failure of his wedding to Diana...

I agree with everything else you've posted about the current queen (abdication being ooc and all that), but AIUI Charles and Camilla were involved BEFORE he wed Diana. Camilla was married already, so it was an affair already. Although AFAIK her husband put up with it in a way that Di could've taken notes from. Wasn't there also some speculation about Camilla's son being Charles'?
 
Berber aristrocacy of my timeline where Islam never rises

Askel, king of altava defeated the mauri and unified the berbers , and started the conquest the first emepror of the great beber empire ( empire of amazigh)
(Born 640s dies 703)

Aderfi I (born 672 died 728)
Only son of Askel , participated in his fathers campaing against the mauri
And the expansion of the berber empire during his rule to the north and east
Moved the capital from altava to Carthage.

Gwafa(born 694 died 745 ) eldest son of aderfi I has a big issue with his brother askel ,
Tried to conquer a Roman territory and failed , died in the civil war he started with his brother after his failed campaing .


Aderfi II (born 723 -( timeline is still going)
Eldest son of gwafa
More of a politician that a warrior concentrated more on internal affairs and began many public works making his empire rich and he tried to show it, especially in his capital where travelers discribed it as beautiful , began himself and his empire and as the neo Christian Carthagenian empire
A wise emperor ,poet, artist and mathetician , suspects of his relitiaves
 
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Maximilian I m. Mary of Burgundy(a)

1a.Philip b. 1478 m. Bianca Maria Sforza

>Burgundian Habsburgs

2a.Margaret of Austria b. 1480 d. 1530 m. Edward of Middleham/Edward VI

>Plantagenets

3a. Francis b. 1481 m. Maria of Aragon

>Imperial Habsburgs

4a. Anna of Austria b. 1483 m. Juan, Prince of Asturias(a) Ferdinand III of Aragon and Castile

>Trastamara

5a. Eleanor of Austria b. 1485 m. Sigismund the Old

>Polish Jagiellonians

6a. Maximilian b. 1487 – m. Bona Sforza

>Milanese Habsburgs

7a. Ernest b. 1489 – Teutonic Order

8a. Rudolf b. 1494 – Teutonic Order

9a. Edward b. 1495 – Teutonic Order

10. Isabella b. 1496 m. Christian I of Denmark
 
I agree with everything else you've posted about the current queen (abdication being ooc and all that), but AIUI Charles and Camilla were involved BEFORE he wed Diana. Camilla was married already, so it was an affair already. Although AFAIK her husband put up with it in a way that Di could've taken notes from. Wasn't there also some speculation about Camilla's son being Charles'?
Charles and Camilla’s was relationship is a very complex one and no, the first part of their affair started before her wedding to her long time boyfriend Andrew Parker Bowles (they had more than one breakup and Charles at the time was likely just a mean for making Andrew jealous and have him back). Then Charles was deployed overseas (not for distancing him from Camilla), she married Andrew (likely what she really wanted at that time), her wedding was not going well and she and Charles resumed their affair (possibly as payback to Andrew for his own affairs from Camilla).
Charles decided who was arrived the time for marrying and ended the relationship with Camilla BEFORE marrying Diana, resuming it in 1986 when his wedding to Diana was already ruined and they were a couple since then...
First dating of Charles and Camilla’s relationship is in early 70’s (while she and Andrew started in the late 60s) but they were seriously and continuously involved only since 1986
 

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Charles and Camilla’s was relationship is a very complex one and no, the first part of their affair started before her wedding to her long time boyfriend Andrew Parker Bowles (they had more than one breakup and Charles at the time was likely just a mean for making Andrew jealous and have him back). Then Charles was deployed overseas (not for distancing him from Camilla), she married Andrew (likely what she really wanted at that time), her wedding was not going well and she and Charles resumed their affair (possibly as payback to Andrew for his own affairs from Camilla).
Charles decided who was arrived the time for marrying and ended the relationship with Camilla BEFORE marrying Diana, resuming it in 1986 when his wedding to Diana was already ruined and they were a couple since then...
First dating of Charles and Camilla’s relationship is in early 70’s (while she and Andrew started in the late 60s) but they were seriously and continuously involved only since 1986

Sounds like Camilia really just used ol Charlie boy.
 
Sounds like Camilia really just used ol Charlie boy.
At the beginning? Yes, likely, but I doubt who Charles was really serious. She choose the wrong man and suffered a lot for that (plus she believed, likely rightly, to not be material for Princess of Wales)...
 
Maximilian I m. Mary of Burgundy(a)

1a.Philip b. 1478 m. Bianca Maria Sforza

>Burgundian Habsburgs

2a.Margaret of Austria b. 1480 d. 1530 m. Edward of Middleham/Edward VI

>Plantagenets

3a. Francis b. 1481 m. Maria of Aragon

>Imperial Habsburgs

4a. Anna of Austria b. 1483 m. Juan, Prince of Asturias(a) Ferdinand III of Aragon and Castile

>Trastamara

5a. Eleanor of Austria b. 1485 m. Sigismund the Old

>Polish Jagiellonians

6a. Maximilian b. 1487 – m. Bona Sforza

>Milanese Habsburgs

7a. Ernest b. 1489 – Teutonic Order

8a. Rudolf b. 1494 – Teutonic Order

9a. Edward b. 1495 – Teutonic Order

10. Isabella b. 1496 m. Christian I of Denmark
Is it ok if I expand on this? I really love the concept!
 
I think Charles and Camilla great affair really started only after the failure of his wedding to Diana...
maybe the butterflies prevent Mountbatten’s horrible assassination so Charles’ proposal to lady Amanda Knatchbull is accepted instead of being rejected as OTL

According to Wikipedia, Charles and Camilla met in 1971 and were close friends very soon thereafter, and their relationship only floundered because Charles was sent abroad with the Navy in early 1973. If he's not sent abroad, or if they get engaged before he goes, it'll be fine...
 
Really though? What's wrong with them? They seem fine to me.
Bianca Maria is too old for Philip, Bona for Maximilian almost without sense, Christan a strange match for Isabella...
Anne of Brittany or Maria of Aragon for Philip, Margaret or Sophia of Brandenburg-Ansbach for Francis would be better matches...

According to Wikipedia, Charles and Camilla met in 1971 and were close friends very soon thereafter, and their relationship only floundered because Charles was sent abroad with the Navy in early 1973. If he's not sent abroad, or if they get engaged before he goes, it'll be fine...
Well, putting aside the fact who Camilla was not seen as good enough for being Princess of Wales and who we do not know exactly how much serious was Charles toward her in that period, we know who in that timeframe Camilla Shand wanted Andrew Parker Bowles much more than Charles...

Charles and Camilla’s was relationship is a very complex one and no, the first part of their affair started before her wedding to her long time boyfriend Andrew Parker Bowles (they had more than one breakup and Charles at the time was likely just a mean for making Andrew jealous and have him back). Then Charles was deployed overseas (not for distancing him from Camilla), she married Andrew (likely what she really wanted at that time), her wedding was not going well and she and Charles resumed their affair (possibly as payback to Andrew for his own affairs from Camilla).
Charles decided who was arrived the time for marrying and ended the relationship with Camilla BEFORE marrying Diana, resuming it in 1986 when his wedding to Diana was already ruined and they were a couple since then...
First dating of Charles and Camilla’s relationship is in early 70’s (while she and Andrew started in the late 60s) but they were seriously and continuously involved only since 1986
 
HRH Charles Philipp Arthur George, The Prince of Wales (b. November 14, 1948) m. August 24, 1975 Miss Camilla Rosemary Shand (b. July 16, 1947)

-HRH Princess Alice Elizabeth Rosalind of Wales (b. January 2, 1977) m. July 12, 2002 Christopher Douglas Antony North, later The Earl of Carnasure (b. April 15, 1976) [1]
---Philipp Antony Charles North, Viscount Trematon (b. September 8, 2004)
---Lady Rose Victoria Elizabeth North (b. May 24, 2007)
---The Hon. Louis Douglas Albert North (b. September 28, 2009)
---Lady Emma Alexandra Patricia North (b. June 12, 2014)

-HRH William Philipp Louis George, The Duke of Cambridge (b. August 11, 1980) m. April 27, 2010 Miss Katherine Helen Cecilia St. George (b. November 26, 1984) [2]
---HRH Princess Charlotte Elizabeth Victoria of Cambridge (b. October 2, 2013) [3]
---HRH Prince George Edward Charles of Cambridge (b. July 19, 2015)
---HRH Prince Arthur Philipp Louis of Cambridge (b. May 6, 2017)

*******************************************************
[1] Son of Antony D.G. North and Patricia Rose King; his paternal aunt, Elizabeth Lavinia Sarah King, is a goddaughter of Elizabeth II. Created Earl of Carnasure upon his marriage.
[2] Daughter of Edward Gerald Patrick St. George and Lady Henrietta Fortune Doreen Fitzroy, daughter of Fortune Fitzroy, Dowager Duchess of Grafton and Mistress of the Robes to Elizabeth II
[3] Born after the adoption of the Perth Agreement, Charlotte remains first in line to the throne despite the birth of two younger brothers.
 
Before she married William of Austria, Joanna of Naples was a possible bride for Ernest of Bavaria-Munich in 1393-94. He would eventually marry Elisabetta Visconti and she would go on to marry William of Austria and the Count of La Marche, and succeed her brother in 1414 as the last legitimate member of the House of Capet-Durazzo, and it’s parent house; Capet-Anjou.

Here the idea is simple; Joanna II of Naples marries Ernest of Bavaria-Munich, and so on.
Any thoughts and criticisms are wholeheartedly welcomed. Will hopefully be adding another generation or two onto this.
  • Joanna II, Queen of Naples B.1371 D.1435, ruled 1414-1435. Married Ernest, Duke of Bavaria-Munich B.1373 D.1438
    • Gian I Carlo,King of Naples B.1397 D. 1456, ruled 1435-1456. Married Marguerite of Orléans B.1406 D.1472
      • Gian II Ludovico, King of Naples B.1440 D.1461, ruled 1456-1461.
      • Stefano I, King of Naples B.1443 D. 1502, ruled 1461-1502. Married Bona of Savoy B.1449 D.1503
        • Gian III Francesco, King of Naples B. 1469 D. 1540, ruled 1502-1540. Married Anna Sforza B.1476 D.1497
        • Stefano, Duke of Calabria B.1471 D.1518, married Beatrice d’Este B.1476 D. 1539
          • Gian IV Sigismondo, King of Naples B.1501 D.1572, ruled 1540-1572. Married Jacoba of Bavaria B.1510 D.1579
            • Gian V Massimiliano, King of Naples B.1541 D. 1607, ruled 1579-1607. Married Bianca of Portugal B.1549 D. 1599
    • Ernest II, Duke of Bavaria-Munich B.1399 D.1479.
      • Further Dukes of Bavaria-Munich
According to the German wiki, it was Ludwig VII of Bavaria-Ingolstadt (brother of France's Queen Isabeau) that wanted to marry Giovanna, both to further Wittelsbach ambitions in Lombardy (apparently in the reign of Rupprecht of the Palatinate, Ludwig put himself forward as a candidate for the dukedom of Milan) and as a leg-up to re-assert his supremacy in Bavaria .

Giovanna II, Queen of Naples [1414-1435] (1371-1435) m: 1394 Ernst, Duke of Bavaria-Münich [1402-1420*] (1373-1438)

  • Ernest (1396-1397)
  • Karl (1397-1398)
  • Johanna (1399-1400)
  • Sophie (b. 1400) m: 1412 Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan (b.1392)†
    • Dukes of Milan
  • Alberto, King of Naples [1435-1461] (1403-1461) m: 1422 Isabel of Aragon‡ (1409-1443)
    • Corrado/Konrad VI, King of Naples [1461-] (b.1427) m: 1444 ?
      • Kings of Naples
    • Margherita (b.1428) m: 1442 Friedrich VI, Archduke of Austria (b.1431) ††
      • dukes of Austria
    • Alberto (b.1429) m: ?
    • Giovanna (b.1430) m: Pedro V, King of Aragon (b.1429) ‡‡
      • kings of Aragon
    • Isabella (b.1432) m: ?
  • Katharina (b.1405, d.1415)
  • Johann, Duke of Durazzo (b.1406) m: 1417 Margherita of Savoy (b.1405)**


*TTL, in 1403, when the city of Münich sends pleas to Ludwig VII of Bavaria-Ingolstadt, Ernst is in Naples and unable to respond in time before the city falls. Ludwig VII takes the city, and reaches an agreement with Rupprecht, King of the Romans, Wilhelm II of Bavaria-Straubing and Johann, Prince-Bishop of Liège to partition the duchy of Bavaria-Münich between them. Ernst struggles to attempt to hold Münich (with the help of the Landshut duke, Heinrich XVI) but is ultimately unsuccessful. Once Sigmund of Luxemburg is elected emperor, Ernst attempts again. However, as much as Sigmund dislikes Ingolstadt and the idea of expanded French influence in Bavaria, Ernst’s kids would have a better claim to Hungary than the kids that Sigmund has with his second wife, Margarethe of Brieg. Which means that Sigmund not so much supports Ludwig of Ingolstadt, as what he doesn’t support Ernst.

†a sort of dusting off of the preceding generation’s plans to betrothe either Valentina Visconti (Filippo’s half-sister) and Ladislao of Durazzo or Ladislao and Lucia Visconti (OTL countess of Kent)

‡ Daughter of King Jaume III of Aragon (OTL Jaime, conde de Urgell)

**Not OTL duchesse d’Anjou, Electress Palatine and countess of Württemberg but rather her elder sister who died in infancy

††Son of OTL Emperor Friedrich III and Katharina of Meißen (b.1417). Since OTL Albrecht V (Albrecht II of Germany) neither marries Eliska of Luxemburg nor makes a play for the imperial title TTL (courtesy of the Luxemburgs being in better shape), Friedrich is under Albrecht’s “guardianship”. Albrecht arranges the marriage of his ward (Friedrich) and Katharina (not the OTL electress of Brandenburg, but again, an eponymously named elder sister). Friedrich VI’s marriage is simply in the tradition of Habsburg-Wittelsbach-of-the-week unions.

‡‡Her first cousin, son of Felipe of Urgell. TTL Felipe I of Aragon – who I can’t find a birth year for OTL, so let’s suggest before Martin I of Aragon dies – or shortly thereafter – which makes Urgell a stronger contender for the throne since he is a) male-line Barcelonid, b) has a son by the time shit goes down in 1412 and c) said son is engaged to the daughter of the duc d’Anjou and Yolande of Aragon (this was OTL a plan between Yolande and Leonor d’Albuquerque, so why not?; his sister, Leonor (b. 1414) is married to Yolande’s son; while Felipe marries Yolande’s OTL unnamed daughter born in 1406)

Suggestions? @Kurt_Steiner @Jan Olbracht @krieger @isabella
 
Emperor Henry VI m. Constance I of Sicily(a)

1a. Frederick I of Sicily b. 1186

2a. Margaret of Sicily b. 1190 m. Louis VIII of France[1]

3a. Henry of Bari b. 1194

Joanna of England marries Philippe II Auguste preventing a marriage between Joanna of England and Richard I.
 

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Corrado/Konrad VI, King of Naples [1461-] (b.1427) m: 1444 ?

How is he VI? There was only one king of Naples/Sicily bearing that name before him, so Conrad IV of Germany. But his number "IV" refers to German throne and the dukedom of Swabia, not to Neapolitan/Sicilian royal status. And his son, Conradin wasn't neither king of Germany nor Naples/Siciliy so why should descendants of Charles d'Anjou even COUNT him? Conrad would be Conrad II, as a king of Naples. I think that Giovanna would also name at least one of her sons in honor of her late brother, king Ladislaus. Also Giovanna's sons would also claim Hungary after death of Albert Habsburg.
 
Eleanor of Austria m. John III of Portugal(a)

1a. Infante Ferdinand(Ferdinand II of Portugal) b. 1520

2a. Infanta Maria b. 1521

3a. Infante Afonso b. 1523

4a. Infanta Beatrice b. 1527

5a. Infante Manuel b. 1530

6a. Infante Manuel b. 1532

7a. Infante Anthony 1534
 
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