List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[FalconHonour]

What If Princess Margaret Rose had married Peter Townsend?

HRH Princess Margaret Rose (1930-2009) m 1955 Group Captain Peter Townsend (1914-1995) (created Earl of Kendal upon marriage, in exchange for Margaret giving up her place in the succession...)

1) Lady Elizabeth Helen Constance Townsend (b.1957)

2) David George Peter Townsend, 2nd Earl of Kendal (b.1960) m. 1981 Lady Diana Spencer (b. 1961)
- William John Albert Townsend (b.1984)
- Lady Lavinia Camilla Alice Townsend (b.1986)
- Lady Rose Susan Diana Townsend (b. 1990)
- Frederick Arthur Edward Townsend (b.1993)

3) Lady Sarah Margaret Victoria Townsend (b.1964)

Notes: I decided that ITTL, given Margaret had married Peter, there was less uproar over Charles and Camilla, so they marry earlier in this timeline, and Diana marries Margaret's son instead of the Prince of Wales, and as such, has a much happier life that doesn't end in a car crash in 1997. I may consider doing another one of these describing Elizabeth II's children and grandchildren if people wish to see it. I also gave Margaret a few more years, because I figured that, not having had to deal with the disappointment of losing Peter, she may not have drunk/smoked quite so heavily, which would likely have prolonged her life a bit...

 

[VVD0D95]

What If Princess Margaret Rose had married Peter Townsend?

HRH Princess Margaret Rose (1930-2009) m 1955 Group Captain Peter Townsend (1914-1995) (created Earl of Kendal upon marriage, in exchange for Margaret giving up her place in the succession...)

1) Lady Elizabeth Helen Constance Townsend (b.1957)

2) David George Peter Townsend, 2nd Earl of Kendal (b.1960) m. 1981 Lady Diana Spencer (b. 1961)
- William John Albert Townsend (b.1984)
- Lady Lavinia Camilla Alice Townsend (b.1986)
- Lady Rose Susan Diana Townsend (b. 1990)
- Frederick Arthur Edward Townsend (b.1993)

3) Lady Sarah Margaret Victoria Townsend (b.1964)

Notes: I decided that ITTL, given Margaret had married Peter, there was less uproar over Charles and Camilla, so they marry earlier in this timeline, and Diana marries Margaret's son instead of the Prince of Wales, and as such, has a much happier life that doesn't end in a car crash in 1997. I may consider doing another one of these describing Elizabeth II's children and grandchildren if people wish to see it. I also gave Margaret a few more years, because I figured that, not having had to deal with the disappointment of losing Peter, she may not have drunk/smoked quite so heavily, which would likely have prolonged her life a bit...

Would love to see more of this

 

[Wendell]

I'd love to see someone better at this than myself tackle Louis of Hungary marrying Maria of Calabria and the butterflies thereunto pertaining.

 

[Gintoki Sakata]

Monarchs of the Ryukyu Kingdom

POD: Portugal keeps most of its Asian holdings intact, while the 1609 Satsuma invasion of Ryukyu was unsuccessful

Shō Nei (1589–1620) [1]

Shō Hō (1621–1640)

Shō Ken (1641–1647)

Shō Shitsu (1648–1668) [2]

Shō Tei / João I (1669–1709) [3]

Shō Jun / Henrique I (1709–1712) [4]

Shō Eki / João II (1712) [5]

Shō Kei / Afonso I (1713–1752) [6]

Shō Boku / Afonso II (1752–1794)

Shō On / João III (1795–1802)

Shō Sei / Fernando I (1802–1803) [7]

[1] Under his reign, the Satsuma invasion of the Ryukyu Kingdom in 1609 was repelled due to Ming and Portuguese aid, in addition to the stiff resistance they put up, and the Amami Islands remain part of the Kingdom. This however, led to the beginning of Portuguese influence on the islands.

[2] Under his reign, in 1650, the Ryukyu Kingdom became a Portuguese vassal after the collapse of the Ming Dynasty, ending their tributary status with the latter.

[3] Converted to Catholicism shortly after he ascended in 1670, taking up João as his Christian name. It was also during his reign where the conversion of the Ryukyu Islands began to intensify after the Jesuit presence began in the islands under Cristóvão Ferreira (the priest from Silence OTL).

[4] Shō Tei's son who died in 1706 OTL before his father's death in 1709

[5] Only ruled for 3 months from May until August

[6] Under his reign, in addition to the rising economic prosperity as an intermediate between Portugal and the Oda Bakufu and the blossoming of Ryukyuan culture (although influenced by the Portuguese), the proselytization of the Ryukyu Islands was fully complete, with the Sachishima islands being the last to convert in the late 1730s.

[7] Died an infant from smallpox in 1803, although his uncle was about to succeed, the Ryukyu Kingdom was then abolished and became an integral part of the Kingdom of Portugal as a colony and eventually, an overseas province in 1930. The Shō family still remain as a ceremonial figurehead for the Ryukyus and still reside in Sui Castle in Náfa to this day.

@kasumigenx

 

[FalconHonour]

Would love to see more of this

I'll see what I can do then!

 

[ramones1986]

Reminds me of an idea, where Charles, Prince of Wales married Barbara Joan "Barbra" Streisand (April 24, 1942)

"If I was more gracious, maybe I became the first real Jewish Princess."

Indeed!

 

[Kynan]

Scenario: Mary, Queen of Scots has a daughter by Francis II of France, and is forced to leave her in the care of Catherine de Medici when she returns to Scotland. Then, when she begins talks with England, she takes Elizabeth of England up on her offer and agrees to marry Robert Dudley, only to have the Queen of England and her favourite elope on the way there, and that rightfully leaves her feeling put out. Henry Stuart fails to impress her and instead she chooses the Hapsburg option, marrying the Archduke of Austria soon after. England and Scotland find themselves incredibly antagonistic over the next few years, with Mary using Elizabeth's guilt over the way this has all gone to balance against Catherine de Medici, who remains suspicious of Mary due to her guise connections. The Princess Marie in France, meanwhile, struggles to find a husband in a court where her grandmother is unwilling to allow her to marry at all, leaving her single when the King of Navarre, now King of France, divorces her aunt and approaches her for marriage. England and Scotland find common ground with a match between the eldest Scottish Princess and the Prince of Wales, although Mary remains upset at her gilting throughout the rest of her days.

Mary I, Queen of Scotland (b.1542: d.1593) m. Francis II, King of France (b.1544: d.1560) (a), Charles, Archduke of Austria (b.1540: d.1590) (b)

1a) Marie, Princess of France and Scotland (b.1560: d.1622) m. Henry IV, King of France (b.1553: d.1610) (a)​

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1a) Francis III, King of France (b.1599)​

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2a) Marie, Princess of France (b.1601)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1603)​

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4a) Louis, Duke of Orleans (b.1604)​

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2b) Elizabeth, Princess of Scotland (b.1566: d.1601) m. Henry IX, King of England (b.1565: d.1622) (a)​

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- had surviving issue​

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3b) James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1568: d.1583)​

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4b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1570)​

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5b) Stillborn Son (c.1571)​

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6b) Charles I, King of Scotland (b.1574: d.1626) m. Maria Anna of Bavaria (b.1574: d.1616) (a)​

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1a) Eleanor, Princess of Scotland (b.1595: d.1526)​

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2a) Christine, Princess of Scotland (b.1597)​

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3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1598)​

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4a) James VI, King of Scotland (b.1600: d.1628)​

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5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1603)​

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6a) Mary, Princess of Scotland (b.1605)​

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7a) Stillborn Son (c.1606)​

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8a) Charles, Prince of Scotland (b.1608: d.1608)​

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7b) Margaret, Princess of Scotland (b.1576: d.1578)​

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8b) Robert, Duke of Albany (b.1578: d.1610) m. Jane Campbell (c.1580: d.1650) (a)​

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1a) Margaret von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1600)​

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2a) Stillborn Son (c.1603)​

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3a) Elizabeth von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1606)​

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4a) Anabella von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1608)​

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5a) Stillborn Son (c.1610)​

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6a) Joan von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1613)​

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7a) Stillborn Son (c.1615)​

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8a) Mary von Hapsburg of Albany (b.1617)​

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9b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1579)​

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10b) Anne, Princess of Scotland (b.1581: d.1625) m. William Keith, Earl Marischal (b.1585: d.1635) (a)​

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1a) James Keith, Earl of Marischal (b.1602)​

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2a) Sir Ferdinand Keith (b.1604: d.1630)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1605)​

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4a) Mary Keith (b.1606)​

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5a) Stillborn Son (c.1608)​

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6a) Charles Keith (b.1610)​

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7a) Grace Keith (b.1613)​

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8a) Stillborn Son (c.1615)​

Elizabeth I, Queen of England (b.1533: d.1603) m. Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester (b.1532: d.1586) (a)

1a) Henry IX, King of England (b.1565: d.1622) m. Elizabeth, Princess of Scotland (b.1566: d.1601) (a), Catherine of Lorraine (b.1573: d.1648) (b)​

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1a) Elizabeth Dudley, Princess of England (b.1586: d.1621) m. Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk (b.1586: d.1646) (a)​

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1a) Catherine Howard (b.1603)​

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2a) Robert I, King of England and Ireland (1608)​

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3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1611)​

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4a) Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk (b.1615)​

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5a) Elizabeth Howard (b.1619)​

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2a) Stillborn Son (c.1587)​

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3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1588)​

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4a) Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester (b.1590: d.1599)​

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5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1592)​

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6a) Anne Dudley, Princess of England (b.1593)​

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7a) Henry Dudley, Earl of Leicester (b.1595: d.1610)​

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8a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1597)​

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9a) Margaret Dudley, Princess of England (b.1600: d.1606)​

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10b) Henry X, King of England and Ireland (b.1603: d.1625)​

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11b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1605)​

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12b) Edward Dudley, Duke of Clarence (b.1604: d.1620)​

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13b) Claude, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1607)​

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14b) Arthur I, King of England and Ireland (b.1609: d.1633)​

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2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1567)​

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3a) Robert Dudley, Duke of York (b.1570: d.1608) m. Elizabeth de Vere (b.1575: d.1627) (a)​

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1a) Edward Dudley, Duke of York (b.1598)​

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2a) Henry Dudley (b.1599: d.1612)​

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3a) Sir John Dudley (b.1603)​

 

[The_Most_Happy]

What If Princess Margaret Rose had married Peter Townsend?

Notes: I decided that ITTL, given Margaret had married Peter, there was less uproar over Charles and Camilla, so they marry earlier in this timeline, and Diana marries Margaret's son instead of the Prince of Wales, and as such, has a much happier life that doesn't end in a car crash in 1997. I may consider doing another one of these describing Elizabeth II's children and grandchildren if people wish to see it. I also gave Margaret a few more years, because I figured that, not having had to deal with the disappointment of losing Peter, she may not have drunk/smoked quite so heavily, which would likely have prolonged her life a bit...

I WANNA SEE! I WANNA SEE!

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Before she married William of Austria, Joanna of Naples was a possible bride for Ernest of Bavaria-Munich in 1393-94. He would eventually marry Elisabetta Visconti and she would go on to marry William of Austria and the Count of La Marche, and succeed her brother in 1414 as the last legitimate member of the House of Capet-Durazzo, and it’s parent house; Capet-Anjou.

Here the idea is simple; Joanna II of Naples marries Ernest of Bavaria-Munich, and so on.
Any thoughts and criticisms are wholeheartedly welcomed. Will hopefully be adding another generation or two onto this.

• Joanna II, Queen of Naples B.1371 D.1435, ruled 1414-1435. Married Ernest, Duke of Bavaria-Munich B.1373 D.1438
  • Gian I Carlo,King of Naples B.1397 D. 1456, ruled 1435-1456. Married Marguerite of Orléans B.1406 D.1472
    • Gian II Ludovico, King of Naples B.1440 D.1461, ruled 1456-1461.
    • Stefano I, King of Naples B.1443 D. 1502, ruled 1461-1502. Married Bona of Savoy B.1449 D.1503
      • Gian III Francesco, King of Naples B. 1469 D. 1540, ruled 1502-1540. Married Anna Sforza B.1476 D.1497
      • Stefano, Duke of Calabria B.1471 D.1518, married Beatrice d’Este B.1476 D. 1539
        • Gian IV Sigismondo, King of Naples B.1501 D.1572, ruled 1540-1572. Married Jacoba of Bavaria B.1510 D.1579
          • Gian V Massimiliano, King of Naples B.1541 D. 1607, ruled 1579-1607. Married Bianca of Portugal B.1549 D. 1599
  • Ernest II, Duke of Bavaria-Munich B.1399 D.1479.
    • Further Dukes of Bavaria-Munich

According to the German wiki, it was Ludwig VII of Bavaria-Ingolstadt (brother of France's Queen Isabeau) that wanted to marry Giovanna, both to further Wittelsbach ambitions in Lombardy (apparently in the reign of Rupprecht of the Palatinate, Ludwig put himself forward as a candidate for the dukedom of Milan) and as a leg-up to re-assert his supremacy in Bavaria .

 

[isabella]

What If Princess Margaret Rose had married Peter Townsend?

HRH Princess Margaret Rose (1930-2009) m 1955 Group Captain Peter Townsend (1914-1995) (created Earl of Kendal upon marriage, in exchange for Margaret giving up her place in the succession...)

1) Lady Elizabeth Helen Constance Townsend (b.1957)

2) David George Peter Townsend, 2nd Earl of Kendal (b.1960) m. 1981 Lady Diana Spencer (b. 1961)
- William John Albert Townsend (b.1984)
- Lady Lavinia Camilla Alice Townsend (b.1986)
- Lady Rose Susan Diana Townsend (b. 1990)
- Frederick Arthur Edward Townsend (b.1993)

3) Lady Sarah Margaret Victoria Townsend (b.1964)

Notes: I decided that ITTL, given Margaret had married Peter, there was less uproar over Charles and Camilla, so they marry earlier in this timeline, and Diana marries Margaret's son instead of the Prince of Wales, and as such, has a much happier life that doesn't end in a car crash in 1997. I may consider doing another one of these describing Elizabeth II's children and grandchildren if people wish to see it. I also gave Margaret a few more years, because I figured that, not having had to deal with the disappointment of losing Peter, she may not have drunk/smoked quite so heavily, which would likely have prolonged her life a bit...

I think Charles and Camilla great affair really started only after the failure of his wedding to Diana...
maybe the butterflies prevent Mountbatten’s horrible assassination so Charles’ proposal to lady Amanda Knatchbull is accepted instead of being rejected as OTL

 

[kasumigenx]

Lady Diana Spencer m. Charles III of England r. 2005[1] div. 1992 (a) Senator John F. Kennedy jr.(b)

1a. William, Prince of Wales b. 1982 m. Catherine Middleton(a)[2]

2a. Henry, Duke of Sussex b. 1984

3b. John F. Kennedy III b. 1997

4b. Diana Kennedy b. 1998

5b. William John (Bill) Kennedy b. 1201

1. Queen Elizabeth II dies on 2005
2. He marries Kate Middleton in 2005.

 

[kasumigenx]

Philip of Swabia m. Irene Angelina(a)

1a.Reinald, duke of Swabia(1197)

2a. Beatrix (1198)

3a. Frederick of Swabia (1200)

4a. Maria (1201)

5a. Kunigunde (1202)

6a. Elisabeth (1205)

7a. Beatrice (1208)

 

[VVD0D95]

Lady Diana Spencer m. Charles III of England r. 2005[1] div. 1992 (a) Senator John F. Kennedy jr.(b)

1a. William, Prince of Wales b. 1982 m. Catherine Middleton(a)[2]

2a. Henry, Duke of Sussex b. 1984

3b. John F. Kennedy III b. 1997

4b. Diana Kennedy b. 1998

5b. William John (Bill) Kennedy b. 1201

1. Queen Elizabeth II Abdicates on 2005 and takes the title of Queen Mother.
2. He marries Kate Middleton in 2005.

one small issue, Queen Elizabeth abdicating would be massively out of character due to the oath she swore and has taken incredibly seriously throughout her life and reign

 

[kasumigenx]

one small issue, Queen Elizabeth abdicating would be massively out of character due to the oath she swore and has taken incredibly seriously throughout her life and reign

I think her not abdicating in favor of her son has something to do with Prince Charles, who might even predecease her.

 

[VVD0D95]

I think her not abdicating in favor of her son has something to do with Prince Charles, who might even predecease her.

Not really sure I agree, why would she abdicate here where the divorce still occurs when she didn’t otl?

 

[isabella]

I think her not abdicating in favor of her son has something to do with Prince Charles, who might even predecease her.

Absolutely not @kasumigenx, as @VVD0D95 said the reason for which Elizabeth has never taken in consideration the idea of abdicating has nothing to do with Charles and is directly related to her oath (and of something influence her in this matter is Edward VIII’s abdication who still never sweared the oath as he abdicated before his coronation, leaving his brother to be crowned in his place).
An abdication from Elizabeth (or from the Scandinavian monarchs) would be pretty ASB and totally OOC

 

[kasumigenx]

Absolutely not @kasumigenx, as @VVD0D95 said the reason for which Elizabeth has never taken in consideration the idea of abdicating has nothing to do with Charles and is directly related to her oath (and of something influence her in this matter is Edward VIII’s abdication who still never sweared the oath as he abdicated before his coronation, leaving his brother to be crowned in his place).
An abdication from Elizabeth (or from the Scandinavian monarchs) would be pretty ASB and totally OOC

Not really sure I agree, why would she abdicate here where the divorce still occurs when she didn’t otl?

I think if Diana had not died, I don't think the Queen would have lived long.
I think that has to do with the monarchy...I think she might prefer Charles predeceasing her and have William take over.

 

[VVD0D95]

I think if Diana had not died, I don't think the Queen would have lived long.
I think that has to do with the monarchy...I think she might prefer Charles predeceasing her and have William take over.

What? What gives you that impression, I don't think Diana living or dying had anything to do with the Queen living?

 

[kasumigenx]

What? What gives you that impression, I don't think Diana living or dying had anything to do with the Queen living?

I think the Queen has a motivation to live longer since there is the issue with Camila...but that is just my opinion.

 

[kasumigenx]

I changed the list of Queen Elizabeth is that she dies in 2005 instead of abdicating since it is out of character for her.