List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[Jonathan]

Inspired by this thread, a timeline where there is one big difference, Henry IV of France survives, and consequently Louis XIII does not marry Anne of Austria, with Anne marrying Charles of England instead

How does Anne fair in this ATL when in OTL she suffered numerous stillborns?

Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1600) m. 1622 Anne of Austria (b.1601) in 1622

James, Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay (b.1623: d.1623)​

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James II and VII of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1624) m. 1644, Henriette Marie of the Palatinate (b. 1626)​

Elizabeth (b. 1646)​

Charles II (b. 1648)​

Anne (b. 1651)​

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Anne of England (b.1626) m. 1641, William II, Prince of Orange(B. 1626d. 1651)​

William III (b. 1643)​

Amelia (1645)​

Elizabeth (1647)​

Anne (1649)​

Frederick Henry (1650)​

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Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b.1627) m. 1662, Marie Jeanne of Savoy (b. 1644)​

Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b. 1664)​

Mary of York and Albany (b. 1666)​

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Mary of England (b.1629) m. 1648, Carl Gustav of Zweibrücken-Kleeburg, later Karl X Gustav of Sweden (b. 1622)​

Charles XI (b. 1650)​

John (b. 1652)​

Catherine (b. 1655)​

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Robert, Duke of Gloucester (b.1632: d.1635)​

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Henry, Duke of Gloucester (b.1636) m. 1668, Catherine of Braganza (b. 1638)​

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[VVD0D95]

How does Anne fair in this ATL when in OTL she suffered numerous stillborns?

Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1600) m. 1622 Anne of Austria (b.1601) in 1622

James, Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay (b.1623: d.1623)​

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James II and VII of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1624) m. 1644, Henriette Marie of the Palatinate (b. 1626)​

Elizabeth (b. 1646)​

Charles II (b. 1648)​

Anne (b. 1651)​

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Anne of England (b.1626) m. 1641, William II, Prince of Orange(B. 1626d. 1651)​

William III (b. 1643)​

Amelia (1645)​

Elizabeth (1647)​

Anne (1649)​

Frederick Henry (1650)​

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Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b.1627) m. 1662, Marie Jeanne of Savoy (b. 1644)​

Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b. 1664)​

Mary of York and Albany (b. 1666)​

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Mary of England (b.1629) m. 1648, Carl Gustav of Zweibrücken-Kleeburg, later Karl X Gustav of Sweden (b. 1622)​

Charles XI (b. 1650)​

John (b. 1652)​

Catherine (b. 1655)​

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Robert, Duke of Gloucester (b.1632: d.1635)​

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Henry, Duke of Gloucester (b.1636) m. 1668, Catherine of Braganza (b. 1638)​

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I think her position would definitely be much more secure, seeing as she's had sons, multiple sons and two daughters to boot. Plus, being a Habsburg and not a Frenchie she might just about manage to avoid some of the more hysterical accusations levelled against Henrietta Maria of otl

 

[isabella]

Anne in England would be in a much better place than both Henriette in England or herself in France as she would not be seen as ”the enemy“ or its emissary... sure she is Catholic, but is likely who her wedding will ease a lot Anglo-Spanish relations (and their troubles were almost all related to far away Americas not near home)

 

[Kynan]

Scenario: A son for Anne Boleyn. But only one.

Henry VIII, King of England and Ireland (b.1491: d.1547) m. Catherine, Infanta of Aragon and Castile (b.1485: d.1536) (a) -annulled 1533-, Anne Boleyn (b.1501/1507: d.1559) (b)

1a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1510)​

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2a) Henry Tudor, Prince of Wales (1511: d.1511)​

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3a) Henry Tudor, Prince of Wales (1513: d.1513)​

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4a) Henry Tudor, Prince of Wales (1515: d.1515)​

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5a) Mary Tudor (b.1516: d.1560)​

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6a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1518)​

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7b) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1533: d.1603) m. Eric XIV, King of Sweden (b.1533: d.1577) (a)​

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1a) Gustav II, King of Sweden (b.1553: d.1610) m. Eleonore of Württemberg (b.1552: d.1618) (a)​

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1a) Elizabeth, Princess of Sweden (b.1576)​

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2a) John, Prince of Sweden (b.1578: d.1580)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1581)​

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4a) Sophia, Princess of Sweden (b.1583: d.1590)​

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5a) Dorothea, Princess of Sweden (b.1585: d.1585)​

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6a) Gustav, Prince of Sweden (b.1588: d.1595)​

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7a) Eleonore Maria, Princess of Sweden (b.1591: d.1592)​

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2a) Stillborn Son (c.1555)​

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3a) John, Prince of Sweden (b.1557: d.1557)​

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4a) Catherine, Princess of Sweden (b.1558: d.1612) m. Frederick IV, Elector Palatine (b.1560: d.1629) (a)​

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1a) Louis VII, Elector Palatine (b.1580)​

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2a) Stillborn Son (c.1585)​

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3a) Sophie Elisabeth of the Palatinate (b.1589: d.1590)​

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5a) Anne, Princess of Sweden (b.1559: d.1586) m. Frederick I, Duke of Württemberg (b.1557: d.1608) (a)​

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1a) Anne of Württemberg (b.1578)​

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2a) Ursula of Württemberg (b.1580)​

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3a) Sybille of Württemberg (b.1581)​

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4a) Frederick of Württemberg (b.1582: d.1588)​

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5a) Elisabeth of Württemberg (b.1583: d.1633) m. Edward VI, King of England and Ireland (b.1561: d.1611) (a)​

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- had surviving issue​

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6a) Stillborn Son (c.1584)​

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7a) Eva Christina of Württemberg (b.1585)​

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6a) Mary, Princess of Sweden (b.1561: d.1593) m. Sigismund III, King of Poland (b.1566: d.1632) (a)​

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1a) Casimir, Prince of Poland (b.1586: d.1596)​

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2a) Anna, Princess of Poland (b.1587: d.1588)​

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3a) Sigismund IV, King of Poland (b.1589)​

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4a) Stillborn Son (c.1590)​

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5a) Alexander, Prince of Poland (b.1592)​

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8b) Henry IX, King of England (b.1534: d.1583) m. Elisabeth of Hesse (b.1539: d.1582) (a)​

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1a) Anne Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1558: d.1601) m. James VI, King of Scotland (b.1563: d.1626) (a)​

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1a) Isabella von Hapsburg, Princess of Scotland (b.1584: d.1600)​

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2a) Catherine von Hapsburg, Princess of Scotland (b.1588: d.1605)​

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2a) Edward VI, King of England and Ireland (b.1561: d.1611) m. Magdalena of the Palatinate (b.1564: d.1601) (a), Elisabeth of Württemberg (b.1583: d.1633) (b)​

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1a) Mary Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1583)​

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2a) Edward Tudor, Prince of Wales (b.1586: d.1591)​

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3a) Frederick I, King of England and Ireland (b.1588)​

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4a) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1592)​

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5a) George Tudor, Duke of Clarence (b.1595)​

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6a) Cecily Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1598: d.1598)​

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7b) Henry Tudor, Duke of Richmond (b.1604: d.1620)​

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8b) Stillborn Son (c.1606)​

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9b) Charles Tudor, Duke of Sussex (b.1609)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1562)​

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4a) Thomas Tudor, Duke of York (b.1563: d.1610) m. Margaret Howard (b.1562: d.1591) (a), Alice Spencer (b.1559: d.1637) (b)​

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1a) Anne Tudor of York (b.1582)​

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2a) Henry Tudor, Duke of York (b.1585)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1587)​

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4a) Francis Tudor, Earl of March (b.1590)​

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5b) Jane Tudor of York (b.1596)​

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6b) Stillborn Son (c.1597)​

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7b) Louise Tudor of York (b.1599)​

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5a) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1565: d.1565)​

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6a) Henry Tudor, Duke of Gloucester (b.1566: d.1648) m. Anne Stanley (b.1580: d.1647) (a)​

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1a) Anne Tudor of Gloucester (b.1600)​

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2a) Charles Tudor, Duke of Gloucester (b.1603)​

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3a) Ferdinand Tudor, Earl of Lincoln (b.1604)​

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4a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1606)​

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5a) Sir Thomas Tudor (b.1609)​

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6a) Catherine Tudor of Gloucester (b.1612: d.1616)​

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7a) George Tudor, Duke of Clarence (b.1568: d.1595)​

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8a) Stillborn Son (c.1569)​

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9a) Cecily Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1571: d.1592)​

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10a) John Tudor, Duke of Bedford (b.1573: d.1625) m. Anne Sophia of Brandenburg (b.1598: d.1659) (a)​

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1a) Orlando Tudor, Duke of Bedford (b.1618)​

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2a) Arthur Tudor, Earl of Leicester (b.1620)​

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3a) Blanche Tudor of Bedford (b.1522)​

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4a) Ambrose Tudor, Earl of Warwick (b.1523)​

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5a) Sir Constantine Tudor of Bedford (b.1525)​

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11a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1574)​

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12a) Edmund Tudor, Duke of Pembroke (b.1576: d.1599) m. Anne Blount (c.1575: d.1631) (a)​

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1a) George Tudor, Duke of Pembroke (b.1597: d.1613)​

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13a) Margaret Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1578: d.1645) m. Henri IV, King of France (b.1553: d.1610) (a)​

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1a) Anne, Princess of France (b.1600)​

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2a) Louis XIII, King of France (b.1602)​

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3a) Elisabeth, Princess of France (b.1603)​

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4a) Catherine, Princess of France (b.1604: d.1606)​

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5a) Henri, Duke of Orleans (b.1606)​

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6a) Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1607)​

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7a) Stillborn Son (c.1608)​

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8a) Francois, Duke of Anjou (b.1609)​

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9a) Jeanne, Princess of France (b.1610) - twin​

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10a) Marie, Princess of France (b.1610) - twin​

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9b) Miscarriage (c.1536)​

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10b) Stillborn Son (c.1537)​

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11b) Margaret Tudor, Princess of England (b.1538: d.1539)​

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12b) Edward Tudor, Prince of England and Ireland (b.1541: d.1541)​

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

How does Anne fair in this ATL when in OTL she suffered numerous stillborns?

I'd say that that could have been more due to her and Louis XIII being related (their mothers were second cousins, his mother was also second cousin to her dad).

Anne and Henry Frederick might do better. Their closest common ancestor is *checks notes* not in the last 100 years (possibly more, but that's as far back as I went)

 

[HortenseMancini]

I'd say that that could have been more due to her and Louis XIII being related (their mothers were second cousins, his mother was also second cousin to her dad).

Anne and Henry Frederick might do better. Their closest common ancestor is *checks notes* not in the last 100 years (possibly more, but that's as far back as I went)

I think their earliest shared ancestor is Albert II of Germany...about two hundred years before either of them were born.

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Return of Piasts:

Janusz III of Mazovia lives long enough to marry Hedwig Jagiellon. After childless death of Sigismund Augustus son of Janusz and Hedwig, Konrad IV of Mazovia, gets uncle's throne. After 200 years Poland has Piast king again (although that name was not in use then-propably Konrad's line would be known just as House of Mazovia).

Janusz III (1502-1531) Duke of Mazovia, m. Jadwiga Jagiellon (1513-1573)

1) Konrad IV/I (1530-1578) Duke of Mazovia 1531, King of Poland 1573, m. a) Elżbieta Ostrogska (1539-1570) b) Magdalene of Jülich-Cleves Berg (1553-1633)

1a) Janusz (1558)

2a) Konrad II (1560-1594) King of Poland 1578, m. Margarethe of Austria (1567-1633)

3a) Anna (1561-1616) m. Albrecht Friedrich (1553-1618) Duke of Prussia

4a) Zygmunt (1565)

5a) Stanisław (1567-1568)

6b) Zygmunt III (1576-1629) King of Poland 1594, m. Maria Christina of Austria (1574-1621)

 

[WillVictoria]

Scenario: A son for Anne Boleyn. But only one.

Henry VIII, King of England and Ireland (b.1491: d.1547) m. Catherine, Infanta of Aragon and Castile (b.1485: d.1536) (a) -annulled 1533-, Anne Boleyn (b.1501/1507: d.1559) (b)

1a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1510)​

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2a) Henry Tudor, Prince of Wales (1511: d.1511)​

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3a) Henry Tudor, Prince of Wales (1513: d.1513)​

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4a) Henry Tudor, Prince of Wales (1515: d.1515)​

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5a) Mary Tudor (b.1516: d.1560)​

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6a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1518)​

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7b) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1533: d.1603) m. Eric XIV, King of Sweden (b.1533: d.1577) (a)​

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1a) Gustav II, King of Sweden (b.1553: d.1610) m. Eleonore of Württemberg (b.1552: d.1618) (a)​

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1a) Elizabeth, Princess of Sweden (b.1576)​

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2a) John, Prince of Sweden (b.1578: d.1580)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1581)​

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4a) Sophia, Princess of Sweden (b.1583: d.1590)​

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5a) Dorothea, Princess of Sweden (b.1585: d.1585)​

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6a) Gustav, Prince of Sweden (b.1588: d.1595)​

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7a) Eleonore Maria, Princess of Sweden (b.1591: d.1592)​

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2a) Stillborn Son (c.1555)​

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3a) John, Prince of Sweden (b.1557: d.1557)​

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4a) Catherine, Princess of Sweden (b.1558: d.1612) m. Frederick IV, Elector Palatine (b.1560: d.1629) (a)​

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1a) Louis VII, Elector Palatine (b.1580)​

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2a) Stillborn Son (c.1585)​

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3a) Sophie Elisabeth of the Palatinate (b.1589: d.1590)​

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5a) Anne, Princess of Sweden (b.1559: d.1586) m. Frederick I, Duke of Württemberg (b.1557: d.1608) (a)​

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1a) Anne of Württemberg (b.1578)​

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2a) Ursula of Württemberg (b.1580)​

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3a) Sybille of Württemberg (b.1581)​

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4a) Frederick of Württemberg (b.1582: d.1588)​

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5a) Elisabeth of Württemberg (b.1583: d.1633) m. Edward VI, King of England and Ireland (b.1561: d.1611) (a)​

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- had surviving issue​

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6a) Stillborn Son (c.1584)​

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7a) Eva Christina of Württemberg (b.1585)​

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6a) Mary, Princess of Sweden (b.1561: d.1593) m. Sigismund III, King of Poland (b.1566: d.1632) (a)​

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1a) Casimir, Prince of Poland (b.1586: d.1596)​

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2a) Anna, Princess of Poland (b.1587: d.1588)​

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3a) Sigismund IV, King of Poland (b.1589)​

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4a) Stillborn Son (c.1590)​

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5a) Alexander, Prince of Poland (b.1592)​

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8b) Henry IX, King of England (b.1534: d.1583) m. Elisabeth of Hesse (b.1539: d.1582) (a)​

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1a) Anne Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1558: d.1601) m. James VI, King of Scotland (b.1563: d.1626) (a)​

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1a) Isabella von Hapsburg, Princess of Scotland (b.1584: d.1600)​

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2a) Catherine von Hapsburg, Princess of Scotland (b.1588: d.1605)​

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2a) Edward VI, King of England and Ireland (b.1561: d.1611) m. Magdalena of the Palatinate (b.1564: d.1601) (a), Elisabeth of Württemberg (b.1583: d.1633) (b)​

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1a) Mary Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1583)​

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2a) Edward Tudor, Prince of Wales (b.1586: d.1591)​

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3a) Frederick I, King of England and Ireland (b.1588)​

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4a) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1592)​

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5a) George Tudor, Duke of Clarence (b.1595)​

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6a) Cecily Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1598: d.1598)​

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7b) Henry Tudor, Duke of Richmond (b.1604: d.1620)​

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8b) Stillborn Son (c.1606)​

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9b) Charles Tudor, Duke of Sussex (b.1609)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1562)​

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4a) Thomas Tudor, Duke of York (b.1563: d.1610) m. Margaret Howard (b.1562: d.1591) (a), Alice Spencer (b.1559: d.1637) (b)​

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1a) Anne Tudor of York (b.1582)​

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2a) Henry Tudor, Duke of York (b.1585)​

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3a) Stillborn Son (c.1587)​

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4a) Francis Tudor, Earl of March (b.1590)​

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5b) Jane Tudor of York (b.1596)​

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6b) Stillborn Son (c.1597)​

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7b) Louise Tudor of York (b.1599)​

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5a) Elizabeth Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1565: d.1565)​

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6a) Henry Tudor, Duke of Gloucester (b.1566: d.1648) m. Anne Stanley (b.1580: d.1647) (a)​

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1a) Anne Tudor of Gloucester (b.1600)​

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2a) Charles Tudor, Duke of Gloucester (b.1603)​

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3a) Ferdinand Tudor, Earl of Lincoln (b.1604)​

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4a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1606)​

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5a) Sir Thomas Tudor (b.1609)​

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6a) Catherine Tudor of Gloucester (b.1612: d.1616)​

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7a) George Tudor, Duke of Clarence (b.1568: d.1595)​

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8a) Stillborn Son (c.1569)​

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9a) Cecily Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1571: d.1592)​

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10a) John Tudor, Duke of Bedford (b.1573: d.1625) m. Anne Sophia of Brandenburg (b.1598: d.1659) (a)​

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1a) Orlando Tudor, Duke of Bedford (b.1618)​

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2a) Arthur Tudor, Earl of Leicester (b.1620)​

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3a) Blanche Tudor of Bedford (b.1522)​

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4a) Ambrose Tudor, Earl of Warwick (b.1523)​

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5a) Sir Constantine Tudor of Bedford (b.1525)​

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11a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1574)​

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12a) Edmund Tudor, Duke of Pembroke (b.1576: d.1599) m. Anne Blount (c.1575: d.1631) (a)​

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1a) George Tudor, Duke of Pembroke (b.1597: d.1613)​

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13a) Margaret Tudor, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1578: d.1645) m. Henri IV, King of France (b.1553: d.1610) (a)​

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1a) Anne, Princess of France (b.1600)​

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2a) Louis XIII, King of France (b.1602)​

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3a) Elisabeth, Princess of France (b.1603)​

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4a) Catherine, Princess of France (b.1604: d.1606)​

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5a) Henri, Duke of Orleans (b.1606)​

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6a) Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1607)​

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7a) Stillborn Son (c.1608)​

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8a) Francois, Duke of Anjou (b.1609)​

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9a) Jeanne, Princess of France (b.1610) - twin​

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10a) Marie, Princess of France (b.1610) - twin​

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9b) Miscarriage (c.1536)​

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10b) Stillborn Son (c.1537)​

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11b) Margaret Tudor, Princess of England (b.1538: d.1539)​

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12b) Edward Tudor, Prince of England and Ireland (b.1541: d.1541)​

I like this idea but quick question: why is the fourth son marrying so much higher then the 2nd or 3rd. By the time of the marriage John is either 17th or 11th in line for the throne (depending if you count the daughters of Edward VI, York, and Gloucester and assuming none of the three have grandkids). It would make more sense for either a) one of Anne Sophia's many great aunts to survive and marry the Duke of York (Magdalena Sibylla, Marie, or Hedwig would work agewise) or b) have Edmuthe of Brandenburg produce a son so her younger sister Agnes doesn't also have to marry into Pomerania, allowing a 15-year-old Agnes, Duchess of York.

 

[Jonathan]

Looking for an alternative bride for William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrew; instead of his mistress Irish actress, Dorothea Bland. Marrying before 1790, maybe leaving the navy for an honourable reason.
Here are some of the potential brides:

• Elizabeth Sutherland, 19th Countess of Sutherland, (1765 –1839), heir and daughter of William Sutherland, 18th Earl of Sutherland. (This would have to happen before her otl marriage in 1785)
• Lady Mary Scott (1769 –1823) daughter of Henry Scott, 3rd Duke of Buccleuch, and his wife, the former Lady Elizabeth Montagu.
• Lady Susan Gordon, (1774 –1828) third daughter of Alexander Gordon, 4th Duke of Gordon.
• Lady Anne Hamilton (1766–1846), daughter of Archibald Hamilton, 9th Duke of Hamilton and IOTL, lady-in-waiting to Queen Caroline.
• Lady Susan Stewart (1767-) daughter of John Stewart, 7th Earl of Galloway, and his second wife, the former Anne Dashwood.
• Henriette Laura Pulteney, 1st Baroness Bath, (1766-1808) daughter of his cousin Sir William Pulteney, 5th Baronet

A Scottish match would help heal the wounds of the Jacobite revolts, however is unlikely William will visit Scotland.

 

[mattep74]

This is the house of Sweden. I have wanked Sweden a bit in this scenario. I was in over my head. This is to hard. It is not finished. I have problems with making this somewhat belivable and come up with names

Royal house of Svealand – Sweden


Farmer king dynasty 49-789
Svealand selected their kings from farmers during this period, some only laste a short while before murdered, but others made the kingdom grow and was popular and died of old age. Most names from mythology becauce of the great fire that burned the kings list


Harald 49 – 59
Fjodor 59 – 99
Linus 99 – 115
Harald 2nd 115 – 119
Harald 3rd 119
Linus 2nd 119 – 130
Eric 130 – 190
Sten 190 – 199
Fjordor 2nd 199 – 149
Mats 149 – 169
Fjordor 3rd 169 – 180
Harald 4th 180
Birger 180
Jonas 180 – 199
Karl 199 – 225
Fjordor 4th 225 – 230
Linus 3rd 230 – 231
Engelbrekt 231-232
Eric 2nd 232 – 250
Eric 3rd 250 – 260
Engelbrekt 2nd 260
Linus 4th 260
Johan 260 – 300
Arvid 300 – 330
Linea 330-340


Linus 5th 340 – 370


Fjodor 5th 370 – 383


Per-Eric 383-388


Eric-Per 388-401


Birger 2nd 401 – 404


Johan 2nd 404 – 454


Johan 3rd 454 – 488


Fjordor 6th 488


Arthur 488 – 491


Sten 2nd 491 – 501


Sten 3rd 501 – 560


Ned 560 – 562


Joffery 562 – 600


Engelbrekt 2nd 600


Anton 600 – 666


Emil 666 – 674


Roger 674 – 676


Emil 2nd 676 – 696


Anton 2nd 696 – 714


Julius 714 – 715


Karl 2nd 715 – 720


Per-Eric 2nd 720 – 735


Arvid 2nd 735 – 748


Julius 2nd 748 - 788


Civil war for a year and the kingdom changed








House of Anund 789 – 1065


Stability and the kingdom became hereditary


Anund 789 – 809


Karl 3rd 809 – 825 United Svealand and Götaland into Sweden


Harald 5th 825 – 875


Harald 6th 875 – 888 Conqured Gotland


Anund 2th 888 – 904


Anund 3rd 904 – 933 During this period Finland was taken


Johan 4th 933 – 970


Johan 5th 970 – 987


Anund 4th 987 – 1010


Anund 5th 1010 – 1035 Took the island of Bornholm from Denmark


Anund 6th 1035 – 1040


Sten 4th 1040 – 1041


Sten 5th 1041 – 1050 Lost Bornholm to Denmark


Anund 7th 1050 – 1064 Lost Öland and Gotland to Denmark


Odin 1064 – 1065







House of Sture 1065-1245


Overthrew house of Anund.


Sten 6th 1065 – 1073


Sten 7th 1073 – 1095


Linus 6th 1095 – 1111, also known as the great. Married into the Norwegian royal family and when the Norwegian king died in 1105 Linus became king of Sweden and Norway


Johan 6th 1111 – 1130


Sten 8th 1130 – 1170
Stanislaw 1170 – 1195
Sten 9th 1195 – 1200 Secured the Faroe islands
Peter 1200 – 1225
Karl 3rd 1225 – 1245





House of Vasa 1245 – 1347
After Sture died on the male side the only living relative was married to a Vasa. The numerical was reset becuace of the uncertanty that people from 1000 years ago really existed. Many documents had burned in the great fire of the capital in 1200. Stockholm made capital in 1247


Gustav 1245 – 1264 Retook Öland from Denmark and conqured Estonia


Johan the Daneslayer 1264 – 1300 Retook Bornholm and Gotland from Denmark. Defeated a large Danish navy


Gustav II 1300 – 1325 Continued the expansion of the Swedish empire. Ingria(OTL area around St Petersburg) and the Koala peninsula taken from Novgorod.


Eric 1325 – 1347 Latvia and Riga fell into Swedish hands. Duke of Pommerania married daughter of Eric and the duke died in 1346 and Pommerania fell into a union with Sweden


House of Sture 1347 – 1491
After Vasa died in the plauge another Sture family came to power.


Johan II 1347 – 1349


George 1349 – 1355


Eric 2nd 1355 – 1381 Secured a marriage with Denmark and as the king of Denmark died without a clear heir in 1379 Denmark and Sweden formed a personal union. In 1381 Denmark rebelled and Eric fell in battle


Gustav III, also called the great 1381 – 1410. Defeated the Danish rebellion and went to war against Novgorod defeating Novgorod and annexing the area. Then married a daughter to the prince of Moscow.


George 2n 1410 – 1444 Took part in the ill fated crusade against the Ottomans and died in the battle of Varna.


Eric 3rd 1444 – 1447 Tried to stop Poland and Lithuania from forming a union and fought a war in Poland and died leading the final charge in the battle of Krakow


Magnus 1447- 1460 Avoided war as long as possible and prefered to arrange marriages. Married his sibling into noble families in Poland and yet again arranged a marriage with the Tsar of Moscow. Brother of Magnus, Eric, married a austrian princess


Christoffer 1460 – 1461


Markus 1461 – 1469


Henrik 1469 – 1488 Completly reworked the system in Sweden and how the army was financed. Church now had to report all deaths, how they moved. In present day many people are happy about this since origin family search in Sweden can be traced to this year.


Linus 1488


Staffan 1488 – 1489 Overthrew Linus and imprissoned him


Linus 1489 Returned when nobels rebelled, but fell in battle


Staffan 1489- 1491 Returned, but had to fight civil war upon civil war. Was executed by Magnus Stenbock in 1491



House of Stenbock 1491-1550


Overthrew house of Sture in the bloody civil war


Magnus 2nd 1491 – 1510 Overthrew the Sture family and then joined forces with Moscow to destroy the Golden horde


Henrik 2nd 1510 – 1550 Sole child to Magnus. Fought a war against Poland and finaly took Courland. Married his daughter with James Stuart, commander of the navy



House of Stuart 1550 – 1680


Married into house Stenbock and got the kingdom when Sture lacked male heirs


James 1550 – 1580 Sent traders and colonists to Northern America. Allied Scotland and defeated England and secured the rights to trade and colonize Hudson bay in modern Kanada.


Henrik 3rd 1580 – 1589 Marriage with the French royal family and an alliance. Defeated England yet again. Also formed a personal union with Scotland


James 2nd 1589 – 1611 Marriage with Austria. War with Poland that saw Sweden take the whole coast.


George the 3rd 1611 – 1632 When Russia lacked heirs Sweden claimed the throne in favor of the bastard of George called Gregory, Poland-Lithuania also wanted a piece and fought Sweden. In the end Sweden Gregory could put Gregory on the throne in exchange for Danzig and Courland. Gregory was legitimized after taking the throne


Gregory 1632 – 1656 Sole male heir to George and ruled over one of the largest countries on earth. Expanded the nation eastwards. Faced a long rebellion when changing the religion in Russia from Ortotox christianity to Swedish christianity In North America New Sweden now consisted of most of the eastern American seaboard


Gregory 3rd 1670 – 1679 The warrior king. In 1670-1674 he fought against England, Netherlands and Spain. Lost most of the American posesions and Sweden realized their future was not on that continent. 1678 Poland started a war. After a while Sweden got the upperhand, but in the battle of Warsaw king Gregory and both his brothers and crown prince Philip was part of the army that fought a battle. The Swedish army was in a bad position and they all led a cavalry regiment in a desperate charge that won the battle, but they all died


Hedvig-Elonora 1680


House of Holstein-Gottorp 1680 – 1800

House of Agustburg 1800 – 1909 and then House of Vasalund from 1909


Holstein-Gottorp was overthrown and a prince of Augustburg was asked to became king. Becauce of the war against the German federation the royal house changed its name in 1909 to a place were there was a castle

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Looking for an alternative bride for William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrew; instead of his mistress Irish actress, Dorothea Bland. Marrying before 1790, maybe leaving the navy for an honourable reason.
Here are some of the potential brides:

• Elizabeth Sutherland, 19th Countess of Sutherland, (1765 –1839), heir and daughter of William Sutherland, 18th Earl of Sutherland. (This would have to happen before her otl marriage in 1785)
• Lady Mary Scott (1769 –1823) daughter of Henry Scott, 3rd Duke of Buccleuch, and his wife, the former Lady Elizabeth Montagu.
• Lady Susan Gordon, (1774 –1828) third daughter of Alexander Gordon, 4th Duke of Gordon.
• Lady Anne Hamilton (1766–1846), daughter of Archibald Hamilton, 9th Duke of Hamilton and IOTL, lady-in-waiting to Queen Caroline.
• Lady Susan Stewart (1767-) daughter of John Stewart, 7th Earl of Galloway, and his second wife, the former Anne Dashwood.
• Henriette Laura Pulteney, 1st Baroness Bath, (1766-1808) daughter of his cousin Sir William Pulteney, 5th Baronet

A Scottish match would help heal the wounds of the Jacobite revolts, however is unlikely William will visit Scotland.

If you're looking for a native bride, OTL there was talk of a match between Billy and his Gloucester cousin. For rich women, he courted Miss Katherine Tylney-Long and a Miss Wykeham of Brighton. Katherine turned him down for "Long Pole" Wellesley (Wellington's nephew, the earl of Mornington, a regency dish that Jane Austen crushed on).

For foreign brides, William himself was considered by the Badener hereditary princess for her eldest daughter, Amalie (after Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia had refused her). Amalie was the twin sister to the OTL queen of Bavaria, tsarina of Russia and queen of Sweden. There was also speculation of both a Dutch and a Danish match although William preferred a "princess of Dannemark" apparently (although I can't seem to find just which princess of Denmark this was)

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Aragon and Sicily (with a twist)

Pedro IV, King of Aragon [1336-1386] (1319-1386) 1m: 1338 Maria of Navarre (1327-1347); 2m: 1347 Leonor of Portugal (1328-1348); 3m: 1349 Eleonora of Sicily (1325-1375); 4m: 1377 Sibilla de Fortià (-1406)

[1m.] Costanza (1340-1363) m: 1361 Federigo III, King of Sicily (1341-1377)​

Ludovico III*, King of Sicily [1377-1382] (1362-1382) m: 1366 Antonia Visconti (1360-1405)​

Maria I, Queen of Sicily [1382-1419] (1381-1419) m: 1390 Jaime of Aragon (1378-1444)​

[1m.] Juana (1344-1385) m: 1373 Juan, Conde d’Ampurias (1338-1398)​

[1m.] Maria (1345-1348)​

[1m.] Pedro (1347-1347)​

[3m.] Juan I, King of Aragon [1386-1390] (1350-1390) 1m: 1373 Marthe d’Armagnac (1347-1378); 2m: 1380 Yolande of Bar (1364-1431)​

[1m.] Jaime (1374-1374)​

[1m.] Juana (1375-1407) m: 1390 Martin II, King of Aragon (1374-1430)​

[1m.] Juan (1376-1376)​

[1m.] Alfonso (1377-1377)​

[1m.] Leonor (1378-1378)​

[2m.] Jaime, Duque de Giron (1382-1388)​

[2m.] Violante (1384-1442) m: 1404 Louis III, King of Naples (1391-1426)​

[2m.] Stillborn Child (1386)​

[2m.] Fernando, Duque de Giron (1389-1389)​

[3m.] Martín I, King of Aragon [1390-1410] (1356-1410) m: 1372 Maria, Condesa de Luna (1358-1402)​

Martín II, King of Aragon [1410-1430] (1374-1430) m: 1390 Juana of Aragon (1375-1407)​

Leonor (1394)​

Juana (1396-1399)​

Juan, Duque de Montblanc (1398-1403)​

Pedro V, King of Aragon (1402-1456)​

Marta (1404-1468) m:​

Jaume, Duque de Peñafiel (1407-1447)​

Margarita (1376-1424) m: 1395 Édouard III, Duke of Bar** (1377-1415)​

Jaime, King of Sicily [1390-1419] (1378-1444) m: 1390 Maria I, Queen of Sicily (1381-1419)​

Maria (1396-1399)​

Antonia (1400-1423)​

Fadrique, King of Sicily (1402-1455)​

Carlo (1407-1410)​

Leonor (1381-1384)​

[3m.] Leonor (1358-1382) m: 1374 Alfonso XII, King of Castile*** (1352-1404)
[3m.] Alfonso (1362-1364)
[4m.] Isabel (1378-1430)****
[4m.] Stillborn Son (1379)****
[4m.] Teresa (1380-1388)****

*Maria of Sicily is born male here.
**OTL he made a play for the hand of Juana of Aragon (his sister, Violante backed him), so Martin might agree to the match both as a way of securing a foreign match for his daughter and as a way of tying Aragon into the larger Bar-Coucy-Wittelsbach-Low Countries network of alliances.
***son of Pedro the Cruel and Joan of England (I'm tempted to let the marriage be childless and let him marry someone "less related")
****arbitrary changes to the kids of Pedro IV and his fourth wife

@Kurt_Steiner (open for suggestions) @isabella

 

[Jonathan]

If you're looking for a native bride, OTL there was talk of a match between Billy and his Gloucester cousin. For rich women, he courted Miss Katherine Tylney-Long and a Miss Wykeham of Brighton. Katherine turned him down for "Long Pole" Wellesley (Wellington's nephew, the earl of Mornington, a regency dish that Jane Austen crushed on).

For foreign brides

I was going for a native bride as before 1817 he’s not really thought as a potential king.
So I was planning on marrying him early with better chances of producing heir and spares.


William, Duke of Clarence and St. Andrew later William IV (21/8/1765–20/6/1837) m. 1790, Princess Sophia Matilda of Gloucester later Queen Sophia (29 May 1773 – 29 November 1844)

Prince George, Earl of Munster later George, Prince of Wales, then George V (11/1/1792 –20/3/1842) m. 1814, Henrietta of Nassau (30/10/1797–29/12/1829) [1]​

Princess Sophia (31/7/1816-8/8/1867)​

Prince William of Munster, later Duke of Glamorgon later Prince of Wales, later William V (3/8/1817-2/2/1895)​

Prince George (29/7/1818-20/11/1874)​

Prince Frederick (14/5/1821-5/10/1847)
Prince Henry (25/9/1822-11/10/1822)
Princess Henrietta (10/9/1825-17/7/1915)
Prince Edward (21/4/1827-29/7/1894)​

​

Illegitimate children of​

William, Viscount FitzMunster (14/6/1808-4/3/1869)​

Prince William, Earl of Wessex later Duke of York and Albany (27/3/1795–16/9/1861) m. 1812, Lady Elizabeth Sackville of Dorset (11/8/1795-9/1/1870)​

Prince George, Duke of York and Albany (1814–1850),​

Prince William (1815–1873)​

Prince John (1817–1896)​

Princess Sophia (1818–1897),​

Prince Frederick (1820–1888)​

Prince Charles (1822–1823)​

Princess Elizabeth (1824–1900),​

Prince Lionel (1827–1908)​

Prince Andrew (1830–1905)​

Princess Mary (1835–1869)​

Charlotte, Princess Royal (20/8/1796–10/4/1847) m. 1822, Frederick William IV of Prussia (15/10/1795–2/1/1861)​

Frederick William, Crown Prince of Prussia (6/9/1823-4/11/1860)​

Princess Louise (4/10/1824-​

Princess Charlotte (​

Princess Matilda (​

William I, Emperor of Germany (10/7/1828–8/3/1898)​

Princess Mary (19/12/1798 –13/7/1864) m. 1814, William II of the Netherlands (6/12/1792–17/3/1849)​

Prince Frederick, Duke of Clarence and St. Andrew (9/12/1799–30/10/1854)​

Princess Sophia (17/1/1801–16/1/1856) m.​

Prince Henry, Duke of Kendal, Kintyre and Lorne (18/2/1802–17/5/1856) m.​

Princess Elizabeth (17/11/1803–8/12/1865) m.​

Prince Alexander, Duke of Richmond and Ross (1/3/1805-14/6/1854) m.​

Princess Georgina (21/3/1807–2/7/1858) m.​

​

[1] The alliance between Great Britain and the Netherlands were reaffirmed in 1814, with two marriages.​

The first was between 22 year old, George, Earl of Munster and his bride, almost 17 year old, Henrietta of Nassau was the granddaughter of William IV, Prince of Orange and Anne, Princess Royal, thus a great granddaughter of George II of Great Britain.​

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

was going for a native bride as before 1817 he’s not really thought as a potential king.
So I was planning on marrying him early with better chances of producing heir and spares.

IIRC William was looking at a bride probably the earliest of his brothers that wed post-Princess Charlotte's demise (around 1811 or 1812 already, he was willing to separate from Mrs. Jordan)

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Aragon and Sicily (with a twist)

Pedro IV, King of Aragon [1336-1386] (1319-1386) 1m: 1338 Maria of Navarre (1327-1347); 2m: 1347 Leonor of Portugal (1328-1348); 3m: 1349 Eleonora of Sicily (1325-1375); 4m: 1377 Sibilla de Fortià (-1406)

[1m.] Costanza (1340-1363) m: 1361 Federigo III, King of Sicily (1341-1377)​

[1m.] Juana (1344-1385) m: 1373 Juan, Conde d’Ampurias (1338-1398)​

[1m.] Maria (1345-1348)​

[1m.] Pedro (1347-1347)​

[3m.] Juan I, King of Aragon [1386-1390] (1350-1390) 1m: 1373 Marthe d’Armagnac (1347-1378); 2m: 1380 Yolande of Bar (1364-1431)​

[3m.] Leonor (1358-1382) m: 1374 Alfonso XII, King of Castile*** (1352-1404)​

[3m.] Alfonso (1362-1364)​

***son of Pedro the Cruel and Joan of England (I'm tempted to let the marriage be childless and let him marry someone "less related")

@Kurt_Steiner, would a Visconti girl be considered for the widowed Alfonso XII here? I know Castile doesn't really have interests in Italy, but the dowry (AIUI Bernabo's daughters tended to have impressive dowries) and connections might be a good reason for the match, would it not?

 

[Kurt_Steiner]

Well, in that Castille, I would bet for a more pro-English Castilian foreign policy. I suppose if they go after a Visconti it's bcause they want to have some links with Italy to piss off Aragon, That's the only reason I can think of.

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Louis II of Hungary has a son with Mary of Austria

Louis II (1506-1526) King of Bohemia and Hungary, m. Mary of Austria (1505-1558)

1) Louis III (1524-1567) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1526, m. a) Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1545) b) Catherine of Poland (1526-1583)

1a) Louis (1544-1550)​

2a) Mary (1545-1557)​

3b) Sigismund II (1549-1604) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1567, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1592)​

4b) Anna (1551-1613) m. Charles (1540-1590) Archduke of Styria​

5b) Elizabeth (1553)​

6b) Louis II (1554-1608) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1572, m. Sibylle of Jülich-Cleves Berg (1557-1628)​

7b) Hedwig (1557-1559)​

8b) Stephen (1560-1566)​

 

[TheDoofusUser]

I'll only due the first line (IE, 1 and 2 plus their children) as I've got that planned out.

House of Hohenzollern (Germano-Polish Line)

1. Frederick II of Brandenburg m. Hedwig Jagiellon of Poland

1a. John, Kronprinz m. Zoe Palaiologina

2a. Helen, Duchess of Milan m. Alexander I Visconti, Duke of Milan

3a. Wilhelm, Duke of Prussia m. Catherine of France

4a. Elizabeth, Duchess of York m. Edward II, Duke of York

House of Hohenzollern (Bulgarian Line)

1. Anton I, Prince of Ansbach and King of Bulgaria m. Margarita of Baden, Princess and Queen Consort of Bulgaria

1a. Filip I, King of Bulgaria

2a. Theodora​

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Ernst of Bavaria (third son of Albert IV of Bavaria-Munich and Kunigunde of Austria) marries Anna Jagiellon (Bona once considered it)

Ernest of Bavaria (1500-1560) m. Anna of Poland (1523-1596)

1) Albert (1550-1555)

2) Sigismund III (1552-1582) King of Poland 1573, m. Maximiliana Maria of Bavaria (1552-1614)

1) Anna (1576-1592)​

3) Kunigunde (1554-1621) m. Albert Frederick (1553-1618) Duke of Prussia, has issue

4) Elizabeth (1557)

5) Catherine (1559-1604) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tirol

1) Anna (1583-1635) m. Matthias* (1557-1619) Holy Roman Emperor​

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2) Catherine (1584-1629) m. Philip III (1578-1621) King of Spain​

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3) Barbara (1585)​

6) Ernest I (1561-1614) King of Poland 1582, m. Margaret of Austria (1567-1633)

1) Anna Catherine (1584-1643) m. Ferdinand (1578-1637) Archduke of Styria​

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2) Kunigunde (1586)​

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3) Sigismund IV (1589-1644) King of Poland 1614, m. Maria Anna of Austria** (1604-1659)​

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4) Vladislaus (1591-1636)​

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5) Ernest (1593-1598)​

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6) Alexander (1595-1661)​

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7) Margaret Sophia (1599-1655)​

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* HRE Rudolf II dies earlier (around 1598) thus Matthias gets throne much earlier than IOTL and also marries earlier and has kids.

** Daughter of Matthias

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Well, in that Castille, I would bet for a more pro-English Castilian foreign policy. I suppose if they go after a Visconti it's bcause they want to have some links with Italy to piss off Aragon, That's the only reason I can think of.

The Visconti I had in mind would be the Dowager Duchess of Clarence (Lionel of Antwerp survives long enough to make it home, but then dies à la Louis XII, leaving Violante a childless widow in England).

Any suggestions for a NON-Iberian second wife? I thought of Bona/Juana of Navarre (Iberian but reasonably distantly related - sister-in-law if Carlos el Noble still weds a Castilian infanta).