List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[FalconHonour]

You could have Cecily’s children with John Welles survive, in particular Anne (b. 1491), the same age as alt Henry and heiress to the Welles estates if she were to survive.

Alt Henry isn't born until 1498, but I take your point.

Savoy is NOT a Kingdom and the English King has already a son… As much I like your tree I can not see Henry VII being able to get Juana as second wife with him having already a son and an unstable Crown

Henry VII ruled in his own right so any Yorkist blooded would be good enough. Anne is engaged to Thomas Howard but I guess who he could accept the switch to Katherine.

Burgundy wasn't a kingdom either, and Juana still married Phillip OTL....

Oh, I agree this probably isn't a realistic tree . But I realised that no one had ever suggested an Anne of Brittany/Philip the Handsome match, so I was playing with that, and then wondered what to do with Juana, if her OTL husband was taken... As I said, I never really thought it through fully, it was more of an abstract half-idea...

 

[ordinarylittleme]

But I realised that no one had ever suggested an Anne of Brittany/Philip the Handsome match

Fairly certain @isabella did (and then had Juana marry Maximilian iirc)

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Burgundy wasn't a kingdom either, and Juana still married Phillip OTL....

Burgundy was one of the richest duchies in Europe and Philip was the son and heir to Emperor Maximilian. It's a different scenario.

 

[RedKing]

Since this thread is at its end, here’s a remake of the first tree I made here, where Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon have a son in 1516:

King Henry VIII (1491-1547) m. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1539), had issue

1. King Henry IX of England (1516-1568) m. Dorothea of Denmark (1520-1580), had issue​

1. King John II of England (1535-1586)​

2. Prince Edward, Duke of York (1536-1589)​

3. Princess Katherine of England (1538-1598)​

4. Princess Elizabeth of England (1540-1600)​

5. Princess Dorothy of England (1540-1597)​

6. Prince Edmund of England, Duke of Somerset (1543-1585)​

2. Princess Elizabeth of England (1518-1569) m. Duke Francis III of Brittany (1518-1536), had issue​

1. King Henri II of France (1534-1579)​

2. Prince François, Duke of Berry (1536-1590)​

3. Prince Edward, Duke of York (1519-1529)​

​

 

[isabella]

Alt Henry isn't born until 1498, but I take your point.

Burgundy wasn't a kingdom either, and Juana still married Phillip OTL....

Oh, I agree this probably isn't a realistic tree . But I realised that no one had ever suggested an Anne of Brittany/Philip the Handsome match, so I was playing with that, and then wondered what to do with Juana, if her OTL husband was taken... As I said, I never really thought it through fully, it was more of an abstract half-idea...

I had done an Anne of Brittany/Philip the Handsome tree but Juana ended with Maximilian in mine (and that was answering to @Kellan Sullivan request) you can find my tree here

First Burgundy was like the richest realm around, second Philip was likely to become his father’s successor as Holy Roman Emperor, third that matches (Philip/Juana and Juan/Margaret) sealed a primary alliance against both the French and the Ottomans

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Alternate version of "Mary Tudor has a twin brother"

Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1491) m. Katherine of Aragon, Queen of England (b. 1485)

1) Mary, Princess of England (b. 1516) m. a) John, Crown Prince of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (b. 1518, d. 1533) in 1532, b) James V, King of Scotland (b. 1512) in 1536

1a) John II, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (b. 1534) m. Catherine, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1533)​

2b) James VI, King of Scotland (b. 1537) m. Elisabeth, Princess of France (b. 1545)​

3b) Margaret, Princess of Scotland (b. 1539) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528)​

2) Henry IX, King of England (b. 1516) m. a) Charlotte, Princess of France (b. 1516, d. 1536) in 1532, b) Maria, Duchess of Viseu (b. 1521) in 1537

1a) Katherine, Princess of England (b. 1533) m. Francis III Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (b. 1533)​

2a) Mary, Princess of England (b. 1536) m. John Manuel, Prince of Portugal (b. 1537)​

3b) Edward VI, King of England (b. 1539) m. Barbara, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1539)​

4b) Henry, Duke of York (b. 1541) m. Mary Grey (b. 1545)​

​

Plausible? @isabella @VVD0D95 @BlueFlowwer @FalconHonour

 

[Violet Rose Lily]

POD: Charles V dies before 1525. Redo of this post.

Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I (IV of Spain) (1503- 1554) m. Empress Anna of Hungary (1503-1547).

1. Archduchess Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1545) m. Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (1520-1572).​

2. Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian II (1527-1576) m. Margaret of Valois (1523-1574).​

1. Anna of Austria, Queen of Portugal (1547-1580) m. King Carlos I of Portugal (1545-1588).​

1. Infante Ferdinand (1571-1578).​

2. Infante Carlos (1571-1573)​

3. King Diego I of Spain and Portugal (1575-1622).​

4. Infante Felipe (1578-1621).​

5. Infanta Maria (1580-1583).​

2. Archduke Ferdinand (1549-1552)​

3. Holy Roman Emperor Francis I (1550-1612).​

4. Archduke Rudolf (1553-1595)​

5. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1592) m. Henri Emmunel, Duke of Savoy (1552-1620).​

6. Margaret of Austria (b and d 1555).​

7. Matthias of Austria (1557-1619).​

8. Maximilian of Austria (1560-1618).​

9. Charles of Austria (1562-1631).​

10. Margaret of Austria (1564-1633).​

3. Archduchess Anna of Austria (1528-1590) m. Albert IV, Duke of Bavaria (1528-1579)​

4. King Carlos II of Spain (1529-1595). m. Maria Manuela of Portugal (1528-1545). (a) Elizabeth of France (1543-1590) (b).​

1a. Carlos I of Portugal (1545-1588). m. Archduchess Anna of Austria (1547-1580).​

2b. Infanta Anna Clara (1564-1633).​

3b. Infanta Maria Michaela (1566-1604).​

4b. Infanta Isabella Eugenia (1567-1597).​

5b. Infanta Juana (b and d 1560).​

6b. Infanta Margarita Catalina (1565-1617).​

5. Archduchess Maria of Austria (1531-1581). m. William, Duke of Cleves (1516-1592).​

6. Archduchess Magdalena of Austria (1532-1590).​

7. Archduchess Catherine of Austria (1533-1572). m. Fredrick III, Elector of the Palatine [1525-1588].​

8. Archduchess Eleanor of Austria (1534-1594) m. King Edward VI of England (1531-1563)​

9. Archduchess Margaret of Austria (1536-1567).​

10. Archduke John (1538-1539).​

11. Archduchess Barbara of Austria (1539-1572) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-1544) (a) m. Guglielmo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua [1538-1587) (b)​

12. King Ferdinand II of Hungary (1540-1590) m. Renata of Lorraine (1544-1602).​

13. Archduchess Ursula of Austria (1541-1543)​

14. Archduchess Helena of Austria (1543-1574).​

15. Archduchess Joanna of Austria (1547-1608). m. Alfonso II d'Este, Duke of Ferrara (1533-1597).​

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

POD: Charles V dies before 1525. Redo of this post.

Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I (IV of Spain) (1503- 1554) m. Empress Anna of Hungary (1503-1547).

1. Archduchess Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1545) m. Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (1520-1572).​

2. Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian II (1527-1576) m. Margaret of Valois (1523-1574).​

1. Anna of Austria, Queen of Portugal (1547-1580) m. King Carlos I of Portugal (1545-1588).​

1. Infante Ferdinand (1571-1578).​

2. Infante Carlos (1571-1573)​

3. King Diego I of Spain and Portugal (1575-1622).​

4. Infante Felipe (1578-1621).​

5. Infanta Maria (1580-1583).​

2. Archduke Ferdinand (1549-1552)​

3. Holy Roman Emperor Francis I (1550-1612).​

4. Archduke Rudolf (1553-1595)​

5. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1592) m. Henri Emmunel, Duke of Savoy (1552-1620).​

6. Margaret of Austria (b and d 1555).​

7. Matthias of Austria (1557-1619).​

8. Maximilian of Austria (1560-1618).​

9. Charles of Austria (1562-1631).​

10. Margaret of Austria (1564-1633).​

3. Archduchess Anna of Austria (1528-1590) m. Albert IV, Duke of Bavaria (1528-1579)​

4. King Carlos II of Spain (1529-1595). m. Maria Manuela of Portugal (1528-1545). (a) Elizabeth of France (1543-1590) (b).​

1a. Carlos I of Portugal (1545-1588). m. Archduchess Anna of Austria (1547-1580).​

2b. Infanta Anna Clara (1564-1633).​

3b. Infanta Maria Michaela (1566-1604).​

4b. Infanta Isabella Eugenia (1567-1597).​

5b. Infanta Juana (b and d 1560).​

6b. Infanta Margarita Catalina (1565-1617).​

5. Archduchess Maria of Austria (1531-1581). m. William, Duke of Cleves (1516-1592).​

6. Archduchess Magdalena of Austria (1532-1590).​

7. Archduchess Catherine of Austria (1533-1572). m. Fredrick III, Elector of the Palatine [1525-1588].​

8. Archduchess Eleanor of Austria (1534-1594) m. King Edward VI of England (1531-1563)​

9. Archduchess Margaret of Austria (1536-1567).​

10. Archduke John (1538-1539).​

11. Archduchess Barbara of Austria (1539-1572) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-1544) (a) m. Guglielmo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua [1538-1587) (b)​

12. King Ferdinand II of Hungary (1540-1590) m. Renata of Lorraine (1544-1602).​

13. Archduchess Ursula of Austria (1541-1543)​

14. Archduchess Helena of Austria (1543-1574).​

15. Archduchess Joanna of Austria (1547-1608). m. Alfonso II d'Este, Duke of Ferrara (1533-1597).​

Who is Henri Emanuele of Savoy's mom? Since the name would indicate either a French or English mother. If French, his dad was angling for Élisabeth's de Valois, who'd be too young, if English, Savoy seems rather low. Since Edward VI is born in 1531 I can only assume he's Anne Boleyn's son (with an earlier annulment), and a "legitimate" Elizabeth would likely be paired off with either Maximilian II, TTL Carlos II of Spain (OTL she was offered to both Felipe II and Ferdinand II of Austria before her dad died) or João Manuel of Portugal (another match considered for about 5-6 years). Some fresh Tudor blood would do wonders to muck out the Aviz genepool IMO

 

[Milites]

James V, King of Scots [1513-1564], King of Denmark and Norway [1534[1]-1564] (1512-1564) m: 1533 Dorothea of Denmark (b.1520)

I really don’t see either the burgher party or the nobility (Evangelical or Catholic) backing the King of Scots over either of Frederik’s children. It would be difficult for James to stake a claim on his wife’s behalf across the North Sea.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Henry VII m. 1505 Joanna of Naples

1) Edward b. 1506 m. Anne Boleyn (a) Jane Seymour (b)
2) Joanna b. 1507 m. John III of Portugal