List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[King of Danes]

1. If the Russian monarchy remains the same as in OTL until 1762, who will Empress Elizabeth name as her heir?
2. I can definitely see one of Charles IV of Albion’s sons marring Sarah Lennox.
3. What does OTL’s Louis XV become known for if he isn’t King of France?
4. Who does Ulrika Eleonora marry if her OTL husband’s first wife is still alive?

1. I was actually thinking that Peter II survives ttl, keeping the Romanovs alive and avoiding some of the mess over there
2. They won’t exist ttl, since Charles died before siring their grandfather
3. I dunno - He's just Duke of Berry and likely still has a lot of scandalous affairs. He probably won't be that important honestly
4. Hmmm, I'm actually a little unsure on that one - Maybe Frederick William of Prussia?

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

1. I was actually thinking that Peter II survives ttl, keeping the Romanovs alive and avoiding some of the mess over there

Great!

4. Hmmm, I'm actually a little unsure on that one - Maybe Frederick William of Prussia?

That could work. It would also mean that Sweden and Prussia could form an alliance sometime during the mid 18th century.

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

1. If the Russian monarchy remains the same as in OTL until 1762, who will Empress Elizabeth name as her heir

1. I was actually thinking that Peter II survives ttl, keeping the Romanovs alive and avoiding some of the mess over there

so, for a Russian monarchy to even look remotely similar TTL, we need to go back to Peter the Great- and that whole mess of things. In all likelihood he still marries Eudoxia Lophukina (since that was his mama's wish), and splits from her when Mama dies. Now, assuming that Alexei Petrovich is still born as OTL and he and his dad have the same relationship, it makes things...interesting.

TTL, no Northern War - or a different one - or encounter with Marta Skavronska (Ekaterina I), Petya might marry Anna Mons as a second wife. Which immediately removes Elizabeth (or Anna) Petrovna from the mix. Anna had no kids OTL, but I don't think that's necessarily proof she couldn't (@Valena can correct me on this), or that the kids would be as short lived as most of Marta's were. Petya might also tire of Anna - as he did OTL - and while if she gives him surviving kids, that might buy her a few more years, it's no guarantee, mercurial was a polite way of describing it. What the change of wife does for Petya's opinion of his son is up in the air. Anna might be a Katherine Parr and bring Petya and Alexei back together, or she could be the ambitious stepmom who wants to cut her stepson out of the succession entirely. Either way, if Anna has given Petya a surviving son, chances that Alexei will not be stuffed into a monastery (and/or quietly murdered) instead of marrying is small.

Even if Anna plays Katherine Parr and remains childless, the chances that Alexei marries his OTL wife is even smaller. Why? Joseph I having a surviving son and there being a surviving heir for Carlos II in Spain, means that in all likelihood, OTL Karl VI ends up with a minor cousin (maybe Elisabeth Sophie of Neuburg or Isabel Farnese, to inherit either Julich or Tuscany-Parma) rather than Elisabeth Christine. Karl VI not marrying Elisabeth Christine means that her sister is unlikely to be considered as an Austrian proxy by Petya - if Alexei ends up with an Austrian proxy at all. -and Petya might decide to go with a princess of Courland (say the duke dies en route to marry Anna Ivanovna instead of on the way home) or a Prussian proxy in Dorothea Wilhelmine of Saxe-Zeitz.

As you can see, the chances of Pyotr II existing, much less surviving are pretty much based on a series of very butterfliable events.

4. Hmmm, I'm actually a little unsure on that one - Maybe Frederick William of Prussia?

Ulrika could wind up with the duke of Saxe-Gotha? The duke of Württemberg-Winnental (a comrade in arms of Carl XII) was also interested. As was the margrave of Baden-Durlach (although he wanted to marry the widowed Hedwig Sophie), the duke of Saxe-Eisenach and a prince of Nassau. Think there was a Brunswick and a Mecklenburg prince were also interested. The young lady had no shortage of suitors.

After all, Friedrich Wilhelm I bribed the ambassadors to report bad things on any prospective bride but Sophie Dorothea of Hannover.

 

[Mildtryth]

Tyrol

Count Albert IV of Tyrol (1180-1253) >< Uta of Frontenhausen-Lechsgemünd (c. 1199-1254)

A1. Countess Adelaide of Tyrol (1218-1279) >< Count Meinhard III of Görz (1200-1258)​

B1. Adelaide of Tyrol (1237-1291) >< Count Friedrich I of Ortenburg (c. 1242-1304)​

B2. Count Meinhard II of Tyrol (1238-1295) >< Elisabteh of Bavaria (1227-1273)​

C1. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1262-1312) >< Duke Albert I of Austria (1255-1298)​

C2. Count Otto of Tyrol (1265-1310) >< Euphemia of Poland (1281-1347)​

D1. Countess Anna of Tyrol (1300-1331) >< Count Palatine Walram II (1306-1353)​

D2. Ursula of Tyrol (1305-1327) >< Count Rudolf III of Werdenberg (1293-1325)​

D3. Countess Euphemia of Tyrol (1307-1339) >< Duke Heinrich VII of Carinthia (1281-1351)​

C3. Albert of Tyrol (1267-1292) >< Agnes of Hohenberg (1268-?)​

D1. Margaret of Tyrol (1290-1349) >< Burgrave Friedrich IV of Nuremberg (1287-1332)​

E. Burgraves of Nuremberg​

C4. Count Ludwig of Tyrol (1269-1305)​

C5. Count Heinrich of Tyrol (1270-1311) >< Agnes of Carinthia (1283-1338)​

D1. Meinhard of Tyrol (1304-1309)​

D2. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1306-1314)​

D3. Agnes of Tyrol (1309)​

C6. Agnes of Tyrol (1272-1293) >< Margrave Friedrich I of Lusatia (1257-1323)​

D1. Friedrich of Lusatia (1293-1315)​

B3. Count Albert I of Görz (1242-1304) ><a. Euphemia of Glogów (1254-1274) b. Euphemia of Ortenburg (c. 1255-?)​

C1a. Count Heinrich III of Görz (1273-1323) >< a. Beatrice da Camerino (1280-1320) b. Beatrix of Bavaria (1302-1330)​

D1b. Count Johann Heinrich IV of Görz (1322-1338)​

C2a. Albert (II) of Görz (1275-1327) >< a. Elisabeth of Hesse (1284-1308) b. Euphemia of Mach (1301-1353)​

D. Counts of Gorizia​

B4. Bertha of Tyrol (1242-1267) >< Count Konrad of Kirchberg-Wullenstetten (c. 1230-1286)​

A2. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1220-1256) >< a. Duke Otto II of Merania (1218-1248) b. Count Gabhard IV of Hirschberg (c. 1220-1275)​

​

Carinthia/Austria

Duke Ulrich III of Carinthia (1220-1269) >< a. Agnes of Merania (1215-1263) b. Agnes of Baden (1250-1295)

A1. Duke Heinrich VI of Carinthia (1255-1282) >< Clementia of Habsburg (1262-1293)​

B1. Duke Heinrich VII of Carinthia (1281-1351) >< a. Elisabeth of Austria (1292-1331) b. Countess Euphemia of Tyrol (1307-1339)​

C1a. Elisabeth of Carinthia (1308-1352) >< Count Pierre III of Gévaudan (1304-1342)​

C2a. Clementia of Carinthia (1312-1354)​

C3a. Agnes of Carinthia (1314)​

C4a. Heinrich of Carinthia (1316-1329)​

C5a. Adelaide of Carinthia (1317-1325)​

C6a. Margaret of Carinthia (1318-1369) >< Margrave Ludwig of Brandenburg (1315-1361)​

C7a. Wenceslaus of Carinthia (1321-1336)​

C8a. Agnes of Carinthia (1323-1328)​

C9a. Duke Ulrich IV of Carinthia (1325-1353) >< Jeanne of Burgundy (1327-1395)​

D1. Duke Heinrich VIII of Carinthia (1351-1415) >< Elisabeth of Thuringia (1360-1423)​

E1. Ulrich of Carinthia (1381)​

E2. Duke Heinrich IX of Carinthia (1386-1428) >< Elisabeth of Cilli (1402-1436)​

...F1. Duke Ulrich V of Carinthia (1420-1453)​

...F2. Elisabeth of Carinthia (1422-1460)​

E3. Joanna of Carinthia (1394-1441)​

E4. Duke Bernhard I of Austria (1396-1438) >< Queen Margaret of Hungary (1401-1436)​

E5. Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473)​

B2. Agnes of Carinthia (1283-1338) >< Count Heinrich of Tyrol (1270-1311)​

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Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473) >< Agnes of Milan (1403-1441)

A1. Agnes of Austria (1421-1476)​

A2. Duke Sigismund of Austria (1427-1496) >< Amelia of Thuringia (1438-1480)​

B1. Duke Bernhard II of Austria (1464-1516) >< Charlotte of Savoy (1467-1497)​

C1. Amelia of Austria (1488-1511) >< Duke Jan IV of Opava (1483-1506)​

C2. Charlotte of Austria (1490-1493)​

C3. Duke Leopold VII of Austria (1495-1561) >< Maria of Swabia (1500-1543)​

D1. Duke Bernhard III of Austria (1519-1570)​

D2. Maria of Austria (1520-1543)​

D3. Amelia of Austria (1522)​

D4. Agnes of Austria (1525-1585) >< Duke Ladislaus I of Slavonia (1510-1586)​

D5. Margaret of Austria (1527-1575)​

D6. Elisabeth of Austria (1530-1594) >< King Ladislaus VIII of Hungary (1531-1603)​

A3. Ulrich of Austria (1431-1442)​

A4. Bernhard of Austria (1435-1449)​

​

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

Tyrol

Count Albert IV of Tyrol (1180-1253) >< Uta of Frontenhausen-Lechsgemünd (c. 1199-1254)

A1. Countess Adelaide of Tyrol (1218-1279) >< Count Meinhard III of Görz (1200-1258)​

B1. Adelaide of Tyrol (1237-1291) >< Count Friedrich I of Ortenburg (c. 1242-1304)​

B2. Count Meinhard II of Tyrol (1238-1295) >< Elisabteh of Bavaria (1227-1273)​

C1. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1262-1312) >< Duke Albert I of Austria (1255-1298)​

C2. Count Otto of Tyrol (1265-1310) >< Euphemia of Legnica (1281-1347)​

D1. Countess Anna of Tyrol (1300-1331) >< Count Palatine Walram II (1306-1353)​

D2. Ursula of Tyrol (1305-1327) >< Count Rudolf III of Werdenberg (1293-1325)​

D3. Countess Euphemia of Tyrol (1307-1339) >< Duke Heinrich VII of Carinthia (1281-1351)​

C3. Albert of Tyrol (1267-1292) >< Agnes of Hohenberg (1268-?)​

D1. Margaret of Tyrol (1290-1349) >< Burgrave Friedrich IV of Nuremberg (1287-1332)​

E. Burgraves of Nuremberg​

C4. Count Ludwig of Tyrol (1269-1305)​

C5. Count Heinrich of Tyrol (1270-1311) >< Agnes of Carinthia (1283-1338)​

D1. Meinhard of Tyrol (1304-1309)​

D2. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1306-1314)​

D3. Agnes of Tyrol (1309)​

C6. Agnes of Tyrol (1272-1293) >< Margrave Friedrich I of Lusatia (1257-1323)​

D1. Friedrich of Lusatia (1293-1315)​

B3. Count Albert I of Görz (1242-1304) ><a. Euphemia of Glogów (1254-1274) b. Euphemia of Ortenburg (c. 1255-?)​

C1a. Count Heinrich III of Görz (1273-1323) >< a. Beatrice da Camerino (1280-1320) b. Beatrix of Bavaria (1302-1330)​

D1b. Count Johann Heinrich IV of Görz (1322-1338)​

C2a. Albert (II) of Görz (1275-1327) >< a. Elisabeth of Hesse (1284-1308) b. Euphemia of Mach (1301-1353)​

D. Counts of Gorizia​

B4. Bertha of Tyrol (1242-1267) >< Count Konrad of Kirchberg-Wullenstetten (c. 1230-1286)​

A2. Elisabeth of Tyrol (1220-1256) >< a. Duke Otto II of Merania (1218-1248) b. Count Gabhard IV of Hirschberg (c. 1220-1275)​

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Carinthia/Austria

Duke Ulrich III of Carinthia (1220-1269) >< a. Agnes of Merania (1215-1263) b. Agnes of Baden (1250-1295)

A1. Duke Heinrich VI of Carinthia (1255-1282) >< Clementia of Habsburg (1262-1293)​

B1. Duke Heinrich VII of Carinthia (1281-1351) >< a. Elisabeth of Austria (1292-1331) b. Countess Euphemia of Tyrol (1307-1339)​

C1a. Elisabeth of Carinthia (1308-1352) >< Count Pierre III of Gévaudan (1304-1342)​

C2a. Clementia of Carinthia (1312-1354)​

C3a. Agnes of Carinthia (1314)​

C4a. Heinrich of Carinthia (1316-1329)​

C5a. Adelaide of Carinthia (1317-1325)​

C6a. Margaret of Carinthia (1318-1369) >< Margrave Ludwig of Brandenburg (1315-1361)​

C7a. Wenceslaus of Carinthia (1321-1336)​

C8a. Agnes of Carinthia (1323-1328)​

C9a. Duke Ulrich IV of Carinthia (1325-1353) >< Jeanne of Burgundy (1327-1395)​

D1. Duke Heinrich VIII of Carinthia (1351-1415) >< Elisabeth of Thuringia (1360-1423)​

E1. Ulrich of Carinthia (1381)​

E2. Duke Heinrich IX of Carinthia (1386-1428) >< Elisabeth of Cilli (1402-1436)​

...F1. Duke Ulrich V of Carinthia (1420-1453)​

...F2. Elisabeth of Carinthia (1422-1460)​

E3. Joanna of Carinthia (1394-1441)​

E4. Duke Bernhard I of Austria (1396-1438) >< Queen Margaret of Hungary (1401-1436)​

E5. Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473)​

B2. Agnes of Carinthia (1283-1338) >< Count Heinrich of Tyrol (1270-1311)​

​

Duke Ulrich II of Austria (1397-1473) >< Agnes of Milan (1403-1441)

A1. Agnes of Austria (1421-1476)​

A2. Duke Sigismund of Austria (1427-1496) >< Amelia of Thuringia (1438-1480)​

B1. Duke Bernhard II of Austria (1464-1516) >< Charlotte of Savoy (1467-1497)​

C1. Amelia of Austria (1488-1511)​

C2. Charlotte of Austria (1490-1493)​

C3. Duke Leopold VII of Austria (1495-1561) >< Maria of Swabia (1500-1543)​

D1. Duke Bernhard III of Austria (1519-1570)​

D2. Maria of Austria (1520-1543)​

D3. Amelia of Austria (1522)​

D4. Agnes of Austria (1525-1585)​

D5. Margaret of Austria (1527-1575)​

D6. Elisabeth of Austria (1530-1594)​

A3. Ulrich of Austria (1431-1442)​

A4. Bernhard of Austria (1435-1449)​

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1. How did Bernhard I became Duke of Austria?
2. Is the Duchy of Carinthia still around in the 16th century?
3. Did Euphemia became Countess of Tyrol after the death of her uncle Henry in 1311?
4. How was Stephen II able to upgrade his title from Duke of Bavaria to Elector of Bavaria?

 

[King of Danes]

Ulrika could wind up with the duke of Saxe-Gotha? The duke of Württemberg-Winnental (a comrade in arms of Carl XII) was also interested. As was the margrave of Baden-Durlach (although he wanted to marry the widowed Hedwig Sophie), the duke of Saxe-Eisenach and a prince of Nassau. Think there was a Brunswick and a Mecklenburg prince were also interested. The young lady had no shortage of suitors.

Saxe-Gotha could work well I suppose

 

[Mildtryth]

1. How did Bernhard I became Duke of Austria?
2. Is the Duchy of Carinthia still around in the 16th century?
3. Did Euphemia became Countess of Tyrol after the death of her uncle Henry in 1311?
4. How was Stephen II able to upgrade his title from Duke of Bavaria to Elector of Bavaria?

1. His father already had the title - as I mentioned in the post in the other thread, After Václav V of Bohemia died, there was a succession war between Adolf of Berg and Henry VII over the succession to the Bohemian lands (which included not only Bohemia and Moravia proper, but also Austria and Styria). The war ended with Henry VII and Elisabeth keeping Austria and Styria and renouncing all claims to the rest of Bohemia, which went to Anna and Adolf.

However, Ulrich IV and Henry VIII kept on residing in Carinthia and using the Carinthian title as their main one, but when Henry VIII died, he divided his lands, with Henry IX receiving Carinthia, Bernard receiving Austria and Styria and Ulrich receiving Carniola. However, once the lands were reunited, Ulrich began residing in Austria and using the Austrian title as his main one instead of the Carinthian, and his descendants would continue the practice.

2. Yes, but in personal union with Carniola, Styria and Austria.
3. Sort of. Anna succeeded first, but she had no offspring, and then the title went to Euphemia. And once she died without offspring, it went to the Habsburgs.
4. That's less of a upgrade and more of a historiographical convention - There was already some understanding of one of the prince-electors being the Duke of Bavaria, but after the Golden Bull of 1356 and its establishment of indivisibility of the electoral title, they start being referred to as electors of Bavaria rather than dukes, because while the electoral title can't be divided, the title of Duke remains divisible, so in order to split their inheritance, the older son gets the electoral title in addition to a ducal one and the others become only dukes.

That also happens with Saxe-Wittenberg and the Palatinate. Since Bohemia, being a full-fledged kingdom and following different succession rules, is not subject to that, they are not primarily referred to as electors after 1356, but the others are.

 

[Valena]

so, for a Russian monarchy to even look remotely similar TTL, we need to go back to Peter the Great- and that whole mess of things. In all likelihood he still marries Eudoxia Lophukina (since that was his mama's wish), and splits from her when Mama dies. Now, assuming that Alexei Petrovich is still born as OTL and he and his dad have the same relationship, it makes things...interesting.

TTL, no Northern War - or a different one - or encounter with Marta Skavronska (Ekaterina I), Petya might marry Anna Mons as a second wife. Which immediately removes Elizabeth (or Anna) Petrovna from the mix. Anna had no kids OTL, but I don't think that's necessarily proof she couldn't (@Valena can correct me on this), or that the kids would be as short lived as most of Marta's were. Petya might also tire of Anna - as he did OTL - and while if she gives him surviving kids, that might buy her a few more years, it's no guarantee, mercurial was a polite way of describing it. What the change of wife does for Petya's opinion of his son is up in the air. Anna might be a Katherine Parr and bring Petya and Alexei back together, or she could be the ambitious stepmom who wants to cut her stepson out of the succession entirely. Either way, if Anna has given Petya a surviving son, chances that Alexei will not be stuffed into a monastery (and/or quietly murdered) instead of marrying is small.

Even if Anna plays Katherine Parr and remains childless, the chances that Alexei marries his OTL wife is even smaller. Why? Joseph I having a surviving son and there being a surviving heir for Carlos II in Spain, means that in all likelihood, OTL Karl VI ends up with a minor cousin (maybe Elisabeth Sophie of Neuburg or Isabel Farnese, to inherit either Julich or Tuscany-Parma) rather than Elisabeth Christine. Karl VI not marrying Elisabeth Christine means that her sister is unlikely to be considered as an Austrian proxy by Petya - if Alexei ends up with an Austrian proxy at all. -and Petya might decide to go with a princess of Courland (say the duke dies en route to marry Anna Ivanovna instead of on the way home) or a Prussian proxy in Dorothea Wilhelmine of Saxe-Zeitz.

As you can see, the chances of Pyotr II existing, much less surviving are pretty much based on a series of very butterfliable events.

In Britain of Panthers & Lions we studied the exact scenario - and it resulted in a divorse after failure of production of a son. Eudoxia Lopukhina TTL died in her second childbirth (IOTL it was close), and Alexei married (happily) into House of Orange (Peter also tried to marry alt-Elisabeth aka his second daughter by Anne Mons (2 daughters, no sons surviving past infancy) into the Netherlands but it ended in disaster of a marriage).
Though ITTL Peter lionizes Eudoxia (sort of) having only a short time with her before she died and did not tire of her at the moment of her death, so it's "dead partner is the best" situation.

 

[kasumigenx]

Charles VIII m. Philippa of Guelders(a)

1a. Louis XII b. 1484 m. Anne of Brittany

 

[Mildtryth]

Habsburgs

Duke Albert I of Austria (1255-1298) >< Elisabeth of Tyrol (1262-1312)

A1. Anna of Habsburg (1275-1327) >< a. Count Charles I of Anjou (1274-1296) b. Margrave Herman of Brandenburg-Salzwedel (1275-1308) c. Duke Henry VI of Wroclaw (1294-1335)​

A2. Agnes of Habsburg (1281-1364) >< King Andrew III of Hungary (1265-1301)​

A3. Duke Rudolf II of Swabia (1282-1307) >< a. Blanche of France (1278-1305) b. Elizabeth Richeza of Poland (1288-1335)​

B1a. Jutta of Habsburg (1302-1329) >< Count Ludwig V of Öttingen (1288-1346)​

A4. Elisabeth of Habsburg (1285-1353) >< Duke Frédéric IV of Lorraine (1282-1328)​

A5. Duke Friedrich VIII of Swabia (1289-1330) >< Isabel of Aragon (1305-1330)​

B1. Friedrich of Swabia (1316-1322)​

B2. Elisabeth of Swabia (1317-1336)​

B3. Anna of Swabia (1318-1343) >< a. King Henry I of Hungary (1312-1333) b. Count Johann Heinrich IV of Görz (1322-1338)​

A6. Landgrave Leopold of Alsace (1290-1326) >< Catherine of Savoy (1284-1336)​

B1. Catherine of Habsburg (1320-1349) >< Count Enguerrand IV of Amiens (1313-1346)​

B2. Agnes of Habsburg (1322-1392) >< Duke Bolko II of Swidnica (1312-1368)​

A7. Catherine of Habsburg (1295-1323) >< King Aimery II of Sicily (1295-1336)​

A8. Duke Albert I of Swabia (1298-1358) >< Countess Johanna of Pfirt (1300-1351)​

B1. Duke Rudolf III of Swabia (1339-1365) >< Catherine of Luxembourg (1342-1395)​

B2. Catherine of Swabia (1342-1381) >< Count Rudolf III of Hohenberg (1328-1389)​

B3. Margaret of Swabia (1346-1366) >< Margrave Heinrich III of Brandenburg (1344-1363)​

B4. Duke Friedrich IX of Swabia (1347-1362)​

B5. Duke Albert II of Swabia (1349-1395) >< a. Elisabeth of Luxembourg (1358-1373) b. Beatrix of Nuremberg (1362-1414)​

C1b. Duke Albert III of Swabia (1377-1404) >< Joanna of Hungary (1373-1410)​

D1. Margaret of Swabia (1395-1447) >< Elector Heinrich XVI of Bavaria (1386-1450)​

D2. King Albert II of Hungary (1397-1439) >< Elisabeth of Luxembourg (1409-1442)​

E1. Anna of Swabia (1432-1462) >< Margrave Wilhelm of Lusatia (1425-1482)​

E2. Elisabeth of Hungary (1438-1505) >< King Casimir III of Poland (1427-1492)​

E3. King Ladislaus V of Hungary (1440-1457)​

B6. Duke Ulrich I of Swabia (1351-1386) >< Viridis Visconti (1352-1414)​

C1. Duke Wilhelm I of Swabia (1370-1406) >< Agnes of Thuringia (1367-1390)​

C2. Duke Ulrich II of Swabia (1371-1411) >< Catherine of Burgundy (1378-1425)​

C3. Duke Ernst III of Swabia (1378-1424) >< a. Margaret of Pomerania (1366-1410) b. Cymburgis of Masovia (1394-1429)​

D1. Emperor Friedrich IV of Germany (1415-1493) >< Eleanor of Portugal (1434-1467)​

E1. Christopher of Swabia (1456-1457)​

E2. Emperor Maximilian of Germany (1459-1519) >< a. Marie of Burgundy (1457-1482) b. Bianca of Milan (1472-1510)​

....F1a. Duke Philip II of Swabia (1478-1523) >< Joana of Castille (1479-1555)​

.......G1. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558) >< King François I of France (1494-1547)​

.......G2. Maria of Swabia (1500-1543) >< Duke Leopold VII of Austria (1495-1561)​

.......G3. Isabella of Swabia (1501-1526) >< Duke Knut VI of Schleswig (1501-1539)​

.......G4. Duke Friedrich XII of Swabia (1503-1564) >< Isabel of Portugal (1503-1549)​

.......G5. Joanna of Swabia (1505-1558) >< Dauphin Guigues IV of Provence (1511-1551)​

.......G6. Catherine of Swabia (1507-1578) >< Duke Galeazzo III of Milan (1500-1558)​

....F2a. Margaret of Swabia (1480-1530) >< King John IV of Hungary (1486-1552)​

E3. Helena of Swabia (1460-1521) >< King Aimery VII of Sicily (1462-1537)​

E4. Kunigunde of Swabia (1465-1520) >< Elector Albert I of Bavaria (1447-1508)​

D2. Margaret of Swabia (1416-1486) >< Elector Friedrich II of Saxony (1412-1464)​

D3. Duke Albert V of Swabia (1418-1463) >< Mathilde of the Palatinate (1418-1482)​

D4. Catherine of Swabia (1420-1493) >< Margrave Karl I of Baden (1427-1475)​

C4. Duke Friedrich X of Swabia (1382-1439) >< a. Elisabeth of the Palatinate (1381-1408) b. Anna of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (1388-1432)​

D1b. Margaret of Swabia (1423-1424)​

D2b. Hedwig of Swabia (1424-1427)​

D3b. Wolfgang of Swabia (1426)​

 

[isabella]

Charles VIII m. Philippa of Guelders(a)

1a. Louis XII b. 1484 m. Anne of Brittany

The match made no sense and the son is far too young for Anne of Brittany

 

[kasumigenx]

The match made no sense and the son is far too young for Anne of Brittany

Indeed.

 

[Mildtryth]

Charles VIII m. Philippa of Guelders(a)

1a. Louis XII b. 1484 m. Anne of Brittany

I don't really know if we could expect Charles to start consummating his marriage at 12-13.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

I don't really know if we could expect Charles to start consummating his marriage at 12-13.

He'd be 14 - he was born 1470. And boys were legally adults at 14

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Edward VI m. Elisabeth of Valois (a) Cecily Knollys (b)

1a) Henry IX b. 1566
2a) Jane b. 1567
3a) Elizabeth b. 1568
4b) Edward b. 1580

 

[Mildtryth]

He'd be 14 - he was born 1470. And boys were legally adults at 14

June 1470. Depending on the date of birth of his son, he'd be having to consummate at 12 or 13, but for 14, Louis would have to be born in 1485. And legal adulthood or not, i've researched medieval genealogy a fair bit and while i've seen cases of girls giving birth at that age, i've never seen cases of boys becoming fathers at the same age. the closest case i've seen was Charles of Orléans, who fathered his first daughter at 14.

 

[isabella]

I don't really know if we could expect Charles to start consummating his marriage at 12-13.

That would be illegal. And Philippa a fully worthless match, unlike Charles two’s OTL fiancées in this timeframe (Elizabeth of York until 1482 and Marguerite of Austria-Burgundy after her)

He'd be 14 - he was born 1470. And boys were legally adults at 14

He would be 14 only at the end of June 1484 so the earliest who his son could be born is May 1485 so more than eight years younger than Anne and unable to be legally married until May 1499…

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

Habsburgs

Duke Albert I of Austria (1255-1298) >< Elisabeth of Tyrol (1262-1312)

A1. Anna of Habsburg (1275-1327) >< a. Count Charles I of Anjou (1274-1296) b. Margrave Herman of Brandenburg-Salzwedel (1275-1308) c. Duke Henry VI of Wroclaw (1294-1335)​

A2. Agnes of Habsburg (1281-1364) >< King Andrew III of Hungary (1265-1301)​

A3. Duke Rudolf II of Swabia (1282-1307) >< a. Blanche of France (1278-1305) b. Elizabeth Richeza of Poland (1288-1335)​

B1a. Jutta of Habsburg (1302-1329) >< Count Ludwig V of Öttingen (1288-1346)​

A4. Elisabeth of Habsburg (1285-1353) >< Duke Frédéric IV of Lorraine (1282-1328)​

A5. Duke Friedrich VIII of Swabia (1289-1330) >< Isabel of Aragon (1305-1330)​

B1. Friedrich of Swabia (1316-1322)​

B2. Elisabeth of Swabia (1317-1336)​

B3. Anna of Swabia (1318-1343) >< a. King Henry I of Hungary (1312-1333) b. Count Johann Heinrich IV of Görz (1322-1338)​

A6. Landgrave Leopold of Alsace (1290-1326) >< Catherine of Savoy (1284-1336)​

B1. Catherine of Habsburg (1320-1349) >< Count Enguerrand IV of Amiens (1313-1346)​

B2. Agnes of Habsburg (1322-1392) >< Duke Bolko II of Swidnica (1312-1368)​

A7. Catherine of Habsburg (1295-1323) >< King Aimery II of Sicily (1295-1336)​

A8. Duke Albert I of Swabia (1298-1358) >< Countess Johanna of Pfirt (1300-1351)​

B1. Duke Rudolf III of Swabia (1339-1365) >< Catherine of Luxembourg (1342-1395)​

B2. Catherine of Swabia (1342-1381) >< Count Rudolf III of Hohenberg (1328-1389)​

B3. Margaret of Swabia (1346-1366) >< Margrave Heinrich III of Brandenburg (1344-1363)​

B4. Duke Friedrich IX of Swabia (1347-1362)​

B5. Duke Albert II of Swabia (1349-1395) >< a. Elisabeth of Luxembourg (1358-1373) b. Beatrix of Nuremberg (1362-1414)​

C1b. Duke Albert III of Swabia (1377-1404) >< Joanna of Hungary (1373-1410)​

D1. Margaret of Swabia (1395-1447) >< Elector Heinrich XVI of Bavaria (1386-1450)​

D2. King Albert II of Hungary (1397-1439) >< Elisabeth of Luxembourg (1409-1442)​

E1. Anna of Swabia (1432-1462) >< Margrave Wilhelm of Lusatia (1425-1482)​

E2. Elisabeth of Hungary (1438-1505) >< King Casimir IV of Poland (1427-1492)​

E3. King Ladislaus V of Hungary (1440-1457)​

B6. Duke Ulrich I of Swabia (1351-1386) >< Viridis Visconti (1352-1414)​

C1. Duke Wilhelm I of Swabia (1370-1406) >< Agnes of Thuringia (1367-1390)​

C2. Duke Ulrich II of Swabia (1371-1411) >< Catherine of Burgundy (1378-1425)​

C3. Duke Ernst III of Swabia (1378-1424) >< a. Margaret of Pomerania (1366-1410) b. Cymburgis of Masovia (1394-1429)​

D1. Emperor Friedrich IV of Germany (1415-1493) >< Eleanor of Portugal (1434-1467)​

E1. Christopher of Swabia (1456-1457)​

E2. Emperor Maximilian of Germany (1459-1519) >< a. Marie of Burgundy (1457-1482) b. Bianca of Milan (1472-1510)​

....F1a. Duke Philip II of Swabia (1478-1523) >< Joana of Castille (1479-1555)​

.......G1. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)​

.......G2. Maria of Swabia (1500-1543) >< Duke Leopold VII of Austria (1495-1561)​

.......G3. Isabella of Swabia (1501-1526) >< Duke Knut VI of Schleswig (1481-1559)​

.......G4. Duke Friedrich XII of Swabia (1503-1564)​

.......G5. Joanna of Swabia (1505-1558)​

.......G6. Catherine of Swabia (1507-1578) >< Duke Galeazzo III of Milan (1500-1558)​

....F2a. Margaret of Swabia (1480-1530) >< King John IV of Hungary (1486-1552)​

E3. Helena of Swabia (1460-1521) >< King Aimery VII of Sicily (1462-1537)​

E4. Kunigunde of Swabia (1465-1520) >< Elector Albert I of Bavaria (1447-1508)​

D2. Margaret of Swabia (1416-1486) >< Elector Friedrich II of Saxony (1412-1464)​

D3. Duke Albert V of Swabia (1418-1463) >< Mathilde of the Palatinate (1418-1482)​

D4. Catherine of Swabia (1420-1493) >< Margrave Karl I of Baden (1427-1475)​

C4. Duke Friedrich X of Swabia (1382-1439) >< a. Elisabeth of the Palatinate (1381-1408) b. Anna of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (1388-1432)​

D1b. Margaret of Swabia (1423-1424)​

D2b. Hedwig of Swabia (1424-1427)​

D3b. Wolfgang of Swabia (1426)​

1. I assume that Maximilian was succeeded by William VI as Emperor of Germany?
2. Did Rudolf II co-ruled Swabia with his brothers Friedrich and Albert?
3. Was there a brief period where Anna co-ruled Tyrol with her uncle Henry?
4. Did Albert III of Swabia's descendants continued to hold the title Duke of Swabia while they were Kings of Hungary?
5. Does Frederick II of Saxony still divide his lands between his sons? And if so, are there any differences from OTL?
6. Do Stephen II of Bavaria's younger sons still become rulers of their duchies like in OTL?

 

[Mildtryth]

1. I assume that Maximilian was succeeded by William VI as Emperor of Germany?
2. Did Rudolf II co-ruled Swabia with his brothers Friedrich and Albert?
3. Was there a brief period where Anna co-ruled Tyrol with her uncle Henry?
4. Did Albert III of Swabia's descendants continued to hold the title Duke of Swabia while they were Kings of Hungary?
5. Does Frederick II of Saxony still divide his lands between his sons? And if so, are there any differences from OTL?
6. Do Stephen II of Bavaria's younger sons still become rulers of their duchies like in OTL?

1. William IV, that is.
2. No. After Albert's death, Adolf I initially granted the title of Duke of Swabia only to Rudolf, with his brothers all sharing the title of Count of Habsburg. When Frederick VIII inherited, he gave Alsace to Leopold and kept sharing the Habsburg comital title with Albert until his death.
3. No. Anna became countess only when Henry died.
4. Yes.
5. Yes, except that Albert receives only the Margraviate of Lusatia.
6. Yes.

 

[Mildtryth]

Poland

Duke Boleslaw III of Poland (1086-1138) >< a. Zbyslava of Kiev (1085-1114) b. Salomea of Berg-Schelklingen (1099-1144)

A1a. High Duke Wladyslaw II of Poland (1105-1159) >< Agnes of Austria (1108-1163)​

B1. Duke Boleslaw I of Wroclaw (1127-1201) >< a. Zvenislava of Kiev (1125-1155) b. Christina (c. 1145-1201)​

C1a. Duke Jaroslaw of Opole (1145-1201)​

C2b. Boleslaw of Wroclaw (1162-1175)​

C3b. Adelaide of Wroclaw (1165-1213) >< Duke Depold II of Jamnitz (1157-1190)​

C4b. Konrad of Wroclaw (1168-1190)​

C5b. Jan of Wroclaw (1169-1174)​

C6b. Bertha of Wroclaw (1167-1200)​

C7b. High Duke Henry I of Poland (1170-1238) >< Hedwig of Andechs (1174-1243)​

D1. Agnes of Wroclaw (1190-1214)​

D2. Boleslaw of Wroclaw (1191-1206)​

D3. King Henry II of Poland (1195-1261)​

D4. Konrad of Wroclaw (1198-1213)​

D5. Sophia of Wroclaw (1200-1214)​

D6. Gertrude of Wroclaw (1202-1268)​

D7. Wladyslaw of Wroclaw (1205-1214)​

C8b. Wladyslaw of Wroclaw (1180-1199)​

B2. High Duke Mieszko IV of Poland (1130-1211) >< Ludmila of Olomouc (1160-1210)​

C1. Duke Casimir I of Opole (1180-1230) >< Viola (1200-1251)​

D. Dukes of Opole​

B3. Richeza of Poland (1140-1185) >< a. King Alfonso VII of León (1105-1157) b. Count Raymond-Berenguer II of Provence (1135-1166) c. Count Albert III of Everstein (1140-1197)​

B4. Duke Konrad of Glogow (1146-1190)​

A2a. Judith of Poland (1112-1124)​

A3b. Leszek of Poland (1115)​

A4b. Ryksa of Poland (1116-1157) >< a. King Magnus I of Sweden (1106-1134) b. Prince Volodar of Misnk (1090-1167) c. King Sverker I of Sweden (c. 1100-1156)​

B1a. King Knut V of Denmark (1130-1157)​

B2b. Sofia of Minsk (1141-1198) >< King Valdemar I of Denmark (1131-1182)​

B3b. Prince Vladimir of Polotsk (1142-1216)​

B4c. Burislev of Sweden (1145-1173)​

A5b. Casimir of Poland (1122-1131)​

A6b. Gertrude of Poland (1123-1160)​

A7b. High Duke Boleslaw IV of Poland (1125-1173) >< Viacheslava of Novgorod (1125-1162)​

B1. Boleslaw of Masovia (1156-1172)​

B2. Duke Leszek of Masovia (1162-1186)​

A8b. High Duke Mieszko III of Poland (1126-1202) >< a. Elisabeth of Hungary (1128-1154) b. Eudoxia of Kiev (1131-1187)​

B1a. Duke Odon of Greater Poland (1149-1194) >< Viacheslava of Galich (c. 1170-1200)​

C1. Duke Wladyslaw II of Greater Poland (1190-1239) >< Hedwig of Pomerelia (c. 1200-1249)​

D1. Hedwig of Greater Poland (1218-1236) >< Duke Casimir I of Kuyavia (1211-1267)​

D2. Duke Przemysł I of Greater Poland (1221-1257) >< Elisabeth of Wroclaw (1229-1265)​

E1. Constance of Greater Poland (1245-1281) >< Margrave Konrad I of Brandenburg-Stendal (1240-1304)​

E2. Euphrosyne of Greater Poland (1247-1298)​

E3. Anna of Greater Poland (1253-1296)​

E4. Euphemia of Greater Poland (1253-1298)​

E5. Duke Przemysł II of Greater Poland (1257-1296) >< a. Luitgrade of Mecklenburg (1260-1283) b. Richeza of Sweden (1270-1292) c. Margaret of Brandenburg (1270-1315)​

....F1b. Richeza Elisabeth of Greater Poland (1288-1335) >< a. King Václav IV of Bohemia (1271-1305) b. Duke Rudolf II of Swabia (1282-1307)​

D3. Duke Boleslaw I of Kalisz (1224-1279) >< Helena of Hungary (1244-1304)​

E1. Elisabeth of Kalisz (1259-1304) >< King Henry III of Poland (1248-1296)​

E2. Hedwig of Kalisz (1266-1339) >< Duke Wladyslaw I of Kuyavia (1260-1333)​

E3. Anna of Kalisz (1270-1300)​

D4. Salomea of Greater Poland (1225-1267) >< Duke Konrad I of Głogów (1228-1274)​

D5. Siemomysl of Greater Poland (1228-1232)​

D6. Euphemia of Greater Poland (1230-1282) >< Duke Wladyslaw I of Opole (1225-1281)​

C2. Ryksa of Greater Poland (1191-1238)​

C3. Euphrosyne of Greater Poland (1192-1235) >< Duke Swantopolk II of Pomerelia (1190-1266)​

B2a. Stephen of Greater Poland (1150-1176)​

B3a. Elisabeth of Greater Poland (1152-1209) >< a. Duke Soběslav II of Bohemia (1128-1180) b. Margrave Konrad II of Lusatia (1158-1210)​

C1b. Konrad of Lusatia (c. 1183-1208)​

C2b. Matilda of Groitzsch (1185-1255) >< Margrave Albert II of Brandenburg (1177-1220)​

C3b. Agnes of Landsberg (1193-1266) >< Count Palatine Heinrich V (1173-1227)​

B4a. Wierzchoslawa Ludmilla of Greater Poland (1153-1222) >< Duke Frédéric I of Lorraine (1143-1206)​

C. Dukes of Lorraine​

B5b. Judith of Greater Poland (1154-1201) >< Duke Bernhard III of Saxony (1140-1212)​

C. House of Ascania (Saxony-Anhalt branches)​

B6b. Duke Boleslaw of Kuyavia (1159-1195) >< Dobroslawa of Pomerania (1172-1230)​

C1. Eudoxia of Kuyavia (1192-1270) >< Count Heinrich I of Schwerin (1155-1228)​

C2. Wierzchosława of Kuyavia (1194-1212)​

C3. Dobroslawa of Kuyavia (1195-1253)​

B7b. Duke Mieszko of Kalisz (1160-1193)​

B8b. High Duke Wladyslaw III of Poland (1161-1231) >< Lucia of Rügen (c. 1170-1231)​

B9b. Salomea of Greater Poland (1162-1183) >< Duke Ratibor II of Pomerania (1160-1183)​

B10b. Anastasia of Greater Poland (1164-1240) >< Duke Bogislaw I of Pomerania (1130-1187)​

A9b. Dobroniega of Poland (1129-1160) >< Margrave Dietrich I of Lusatia (1130-1185)​

A10b. Judith of Poland (1130-1175) >< Margrave Otto I of Brandenburg (1128-1184)​

A11b. Duke Henry of Sandomierz (1131-1166)​

A12b. Agnes of Poland (1137-1183) >< Prince Mstislav II of Kiev (1125-1170)​

A13b. High Duke Casimir II of Poland (1138-1194) >< Helena of Znojmo (1140-1206)​

B1. Casimir of Sandomierz (1162-1167)​

B2. Boleslaw of Sandomierz (1168-1183)​

B3. Odon of Sandomierz (1169)​

B4. Adelaide of Sandomierz (1177-1211)​

B5. Duke Leszek I of Masovia (1185-1227) >< Grzymisława of Lutsk (1190-1258)​

C1. Salomea of Masovia (1211-1268) >< Coloman of Halych (1208-1241)​

C2. Duke Boleslaw II of Sandomierz (1226-1279) >< Kinga of Hungary (1224-1292)​

B6. Duke Konrad I of Masovia (1187-1247) >< Agafia of Rus (1192-1248)​

C. Dukes of Masovia​

​

King Henry II of Poland (1195-1261) >< Anna of Bohemia (1203-1265)

A1. Gertrude (1218-1247) >< Duke Boleslaw II of Masovia (1208-1248)​

A2. Constance (1221-1257) >< Duke Casimir I of Kuyavia (1211-1267)​

A3. King Boleslaw V of Poland (1222-1278) >< Hedwig of Anhalt (1228-1259)​

B1. Agnes of Poland (1245-1265) >< Count Ulrich I of Württemberg (1226-1265)​

B2. King Henry III of Poland (1248-1296) >< Elisabeth of Kalisz (1259-1304)​

C1. Hedwig of Poland (1277-1347)​

C2. Euphemia of Poland (1281-1347) >< Count Otto of Tyrol (1265-1310)​

C3. Anna of Poland (1284-1343)​

C4. Elisabeth of Poland (1290-1357)​

C5. King Boleslaw VI of Poland (1291-1352) >< Margaret of Bohemia (1296-1322)​

D1. King Václav VI of Bohemia (1316-1364) >< Anna of Cieszyn (1325-1367)​

E1. King Rupert of Bohemia (1347-1409) >< Agnes of Luxembourg (1350-1412)​

....F1. Queen Agnes I of Bohemia (1384-1436) >< Elector Rudolf III of Saxony (1378-1419)​

.......G1. Queen Agnes II of Bohemia (1405-1465) >< King John I of Bohemia (1404-1464)​

..........H1. Queen Agnes III of Bohemia (1423-1471) >< King John II of Bohemia (1419-1481)​

..............I1. Kings of Bohemia (House of Kleve)​

..........H2. Barbara of Bohemia (1424-1489) >< Marquis Ludovico III of Mantua (1412-1478)​

..........H3. Elisabeth of Bohemia (1425-1465) >< a. Duke Joachim of Pomerania (1424-1451) b. Duke Wartislaw X of Pomerania (1435-1478)​

..........H4. Dorothea of Bohemia (1431-1495) >< Count Christian VII of Oldenburg (1426-1481)​

....F2. Queen Agnes of Poland (1385-1411) >< King Alexander of Halych (1380-1439)​

.......G. Kings of Poland (House of Halych)​

E2. Bishop Václav of Wroclaw (1348-1419)​

E3. Duke Boleslaw IV of Legnica (1349-1394)​

E4. Hedwig of Bohemia (1351-1409) >< Duke Henry VI of Zagan (1345-1393)​

E5. Bishop Henryk of Wroclawek (1355-1398)​

D2. Duke Ludwik I of Brzeg (1321-1398) >< Agnes of Glogow (1321-1362)​

E. Dukes of Brzeg​

C6. Helena of Poland (1293-1320)​

C7. Duke Henry VI of Wroclaw (1294-1335) >< Anna of Habsburg (1275-1327)​

D1. Elisabeth of Wroclaw (1311-1328)​

D2. Euphemia of Wroclaw (1312-1384) >< Duke Boleslaw I of Niemodlin (1293-1365)​

D3. Margaret of Wroclaw (1314-1379)​

C8. Duke Wladyslaw of Legnica (1296-1352)​

B3. Duke Bolko I of Swidnica (1252-1301) >< Beatrix of Brandenburg (1270-1316)​

B4. Duke Bernard of Jawor (1253-1286)​

B5. Catherine of Poland (1260-1286)​

A4. Mieszko of Poland (1223-1242)​

A5. Duke Henry III of Wroclaw (1227-1266) >< Judith of Masovia (1227-1257)​

B1. Hedwig of Wrovlaw (1256-13000) >< a. Heinrich of Lusatia (1256-1282) b. Prince Otto I of Anhalt-Aschersleben (1256-1304)​

B2. Duke Henry IV of Wroclaw (1258-1290) >< a. Constance of Opole (1262-1351) b. Matilda of Brandenburg (1270-1297)​

A6. Elizabeth (1229-1265) >< Duke Przemysł I of Greater Poland (1221-1257)​

A7. Duke Konrad I of Glogów (1231-1274) >< Salomea of Greater Poland (1225-1267)​

A8. Agnes of Poland (1236-1277)​

A9. Archbishop Ladislaus of Salzburg (1237-1270)​

A10. Hedwig of Poland (1238-1318)​