List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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If she exists ittl, she would almost certainly marry John III and not his younger brother
True. Margaret of Valois are a likelier option for Philip. If he gets a french match.
If Catherine of Aragon goes as she goes and Henry remarries to Anne Boleyn or some other lady. Ferdinand might be more supportive in his aunt, but since he does not have the empire, and thus no reason to involve himself with Milan, no beef with France.
Modifying this idea.
Henry VIII of England b 1491 d 1545 m a) Catherine of Aragon b 1485 d 1535, b) Marie of Bourbon b 1515 d 1544
Issue:
-Mary Tudor b 1516 m James V of Scotland b 1512
-Henry IX of England b 1518 m Christina of Denmark b 1521
-Catherine Tudor b 1537
-Elizabeth Tudor b 1540
Edward VI, King of England (1537-1553) m. Jane Grey (1537-1554)
1) Henry IX, King of England (1554-1601) m. 1571 Elizabeth, Princess of Sweden (1549-1597)
1) Henry IX, King of England (1554-1601) m. 1571 Elizabeth, Princess of Sweden (1549-1597)
1) Elizabeth I, Queen of England (1572-1614) m. 1589 James VI, King of Scotland (1566-1625)
1) James, Prince of Wales and Duke of Rothesay (1590-1595)
2) Edward, Duke of York and Albany (1592-1601)
3) Jane I, Queen of England and Scotland (1595-1668)
4) Margaret, Princess of England and Scotland (1597-1666)
5) Mary, Princess of England and Scotland (1599-1662)
6) Henry, Duke of Kent and Edinburgh (1600-1615)
7) Elizabeth, Princess of England and Scotland (1602-1674)
2) Jane, Princess of England (1574-1645) m. 1595 Christian IV, King of Denmark and Norway (1577-1648)
1) Elizabeth, Princess of Denmark and Norway (1596-1660)
2) Christian V, King of Denmark and Norway (1598-1653)
3) Frederick III, King of Denmark and Norway (1600-1660)
4) Sophie, Princess of Denmark and Norway (1601-1659)
5) Jane, Princess of Denmark and Norway (1603-1673)
6) Henry, Prince of Denmark and Norway (1605-1669)
3) Edward, Prince of Wales (1575-1585) bet. Marie Elisabeth, Princess of France (1572-1578)
- never married, had no issue
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Very doubtful match and timing. The fifth daughter of an upstart ruler for the King of England? Sweden has also just had a coup d'etat, and ended a costly war with nothing to show for it, it's hardly a tempting situation to get involved in.
No way Christian goes for a Swedish-aligned English bride, unless there are major diversions from OTL creating a Swedish-Danish alliance before the entry into the 30YW.
Why are all Christian’s daughters becoming Princesses of Sweden, I'm guessing a typo?
Maria of Aragon is born a son in 1482 and Juan dies in 1495
Alfonso XII of Castile and VI of Aragon b 1482 m Margaret of Austria b 1480
Issue:
Infanta Isabella b 1498
John III of Castile and Aragon b 1500
Infanta Maria b 1505
Infante Ferdinand b 1506
Infante Alfonso b 1512
Alfonso XII of Castile and VI of Aragon b 1482 m Margaret of Austria b 1480
Issue:
Infanta Isabella b 1498
John III of Castile and Aragon b 1500
Infanta Maria b 1505
Infante Ferdinand b 1506
Infante Alfonso b 1512
This constant Renaissance Era posting is gonna drive me insane, so I decided to make a quick family tree for if Taira no Shigemori survived and the Taira clan ended up winning the Genpei War.
Taira no Shigemori, Shikken (1138-1206)
w. Bomonden
1. Taira no Kuremori, Shikken (1159-1221)
w. Fujiwara Chikamori no Musume [1]
2. Taira no Sukemori, Rensho (1161-1215)
w. Fujiwara no Keiko
3. Taira no Kiyotsune (1163-1196)
4. Taira no Arimori (1164-1201)
5. Taira no Moromori (1167-1198)
6. Taira no Tadafusa (1168-1225)
w. Unknown
7. Taira no Munezane (1168-1185)
[1] Means “daughter of Fujiwara Chikamori”, as her real name is unknown
Could use some help on finding proper titles and positions for Shigemori's other sons though
Taira no Shigemori, Shikken (1138-1206)
w. Bomonden
1. Taira no Kuremori, Shikken (1159-1221)
w. Fujiwara Chikamori no Musume [1]
2. Taira no Sukemori, Rensho (1161-1215)
w. Fujiwara no Keiko
3. Taira no Kiyotsune (1163-1196)
4. Taira no Arimori (1164-1201)
5. Taira no Moromori (1167-1198)
6. Taira no Tadafusa (1168-1225)
w. Unknown
7. Taira no Munezane (1168-1185)
[1] Means “daughter of Fujiwara Chikamori”, as her real name is unknown
Could use some help on finding proper titles and positions for Shigemori's other sons though
Manuel I, King of Portugal m. Eleanor, Archduchess of Austria
1) Charles, Infante of Portugal (b. 1520) m. Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516)
ITTL Charles went to England to ask for Mary's hand and she fell head over heels in love and accepted, and Philip II was unavailable because Maria Manuela survived childbirth.
1) Charles, Infante of Portugal (b. 1520) m. Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516)
1) Katherine I, Queen of England and Sovereign of the Netherlands (b. 1555) m. 1570 Ernest, Archduke of Austria (b. 1553)
1) Charles I, King of England and Sovereign of the Netherlands (b. 1571) m. Marie Elisabeth, Princess of France (b. 1572)
2) Mary I, Queen of Portugal (b. 1558) m. 1580 Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1527)
1) Ferdinand I, King of Portugal (b. 1581) m. 1599 Eleanor, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1582)
1) Philip I, King of Portugal (b. 1600) m. Anne, Infanta of Spain (b. 1601)
2) Joan, Infanta of Portugal (b. 1582) m. 1604 Philip Emmanuel, Prince of Piedmont (b. 1586)
1) Philip III, Duke of Savoy (b. 1605) m. Margarita, Infanta of Spain (b. 1610)
2) Maria, Duchess of Viseu (b. 1521)- never married, had no issue -
ITTL Charles went to England to ask for Mary's hand and she fell head over heels in love and accepted, and Philip II was unavailable because Maria Manuela survived childbirth.
Katherine would NEVER get the Netherlands as here Philip would most likely have more than one child by Maria Manuela (or would remarry to Maria of Viseu and have more children by her) and that children would be also ahead of Charles in the Portuguese‘s succession...
A different Iberian Union. WIP as always
Not sure about the POD, likely Anne Mowbray NOT dying
Ferdinand II, King of Aragon (1452-1518) married Isabella I, Queen of Castile (1451-1504) in 1469
James III, King of Scotland (1452-1488) married Margaret of Denmark (1456-1486) in 1469
Alexander IV, King of Scotland (1454-1500) married Anne de la Tour d’Auvergne (?-1512) in 1480
If someone is wondering Mary of Burgundy do not die here
Not sure about the POD, likely Anne Mowbray NOT dying
Ferdinand II, King of Aragon (1452-1518) married Isabella I, Queen of Castile (1451-1504) in 1469
- Isabella (b. 1470) married Alfonso, Prince of Portugal (1475-1491) in 1490
- Eleanor, Queen of Portugal (b. 1492) married Ferdinand VI, King of Spain (b. 1485)
- miscarried son (1475)
- John, Prince of Asturias and Girona (1478-1494)
- Joanna (b. 1479) married ?
- Maria (b. 1482) married ?
- stillborn girl (1482) twin of Maria
- Ferdinand VI, King of Spain (b.1485) married Eleanor, Queen of Portugal (b. 1492) in 1506
- Elizabeth (b.1466) married Charles VIII, King of France (b.1470) in 1484
- Louis, Dauphin of France (1486-1490)
- Elizabeth (b. 1488)
- Charles, Dauphin of France (1489-1492)
- Anne (b. 1492)
- Catherine (b. 1494)
- Louis XII, King of France (1496)
- Francis (1498-1499)
- Charlotte (b. 1500)
- Mary of York (1467-1482)
- Cecily (1469-1494) married James IV, King of Scotland (1473-1494) in 1487
- Margaret of Scotland (1490-1493)
- James, Duke of Rothesay (1492)
- stillborn son (1494)
- Edward V, King of England (b. 1470) married Margaret of Austria (b. 1480) in 1495 with issue
- Margaret of York (1472-1472)
- Richard, Duke of York and Norfolk (b. 1473) married a) Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk (1472-1489) in 1478, b) Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b. 1477) in 1490 with issue by both
- Anne (b. 1475) married Philip, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1478) in 1492 with issue
- George, Duke of Bedford (1477-1479)
- Catherine (b. 1479) married a) James V of Scotland (1476-1497) in 1495 b) John II, King of Scotland (b. 1484) in 1499
- a) Margaret (1497)
- b) Alexander V, King of Scotland (b. 1500)
- b) Elizabeth (b. 1502)
- b) Robert, Duke of Ross (b. 1505)
- b) Catherine (b. 1507)
- b) Anne (b. 1508)
- b) John, Earl of Mar (1510-1512)
- Bridget (b.1480) nun
James III, King of Scotland (1452-1488) married Margaret of Denmark (1456-1486) in 1469
- James IV, King of Scotland (1473-1494)
- James V, King of Scotland (1476-1497)
- John, Earl of Mar (1479- 1493)
Alexander IV, King of Scotland (1454-1500) married Anne de la Tour d’Auvergne (?-1512) in 1480
- Maud (b. 1481)
- John II, King of Scotland (b. 1484) married Catherine of York (b. 1479) in 1498
- Alexander, Duke of Albany (b. 1486) married Anne de la Tour d’Auvergne (b. 1496) in 1508
If someone is wondering Mary of Burgundy do not die here
Charles as the son of Manuel I while Philip is just grandson - and Philip is ahead?
I think Maria Manuela mantained her sucession rights when she married Philip, so her spanish children would have a right to inherit before Charles in this scenario.
Maria Manuela, being daughter of John III, and her children by Philip would be ahead of Charles, who is simply John’s half-brother (and Charles being still unmarried in the 1550s is pretty ridiculous).
Maria gave up her succession rights, didn't she? And John had no other surviving descendant besides Sebastian who died childless. (Mary isn't Charles' first wife - I just don't know who the first would be)