List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[ordinarylittleme]

Would be a good match perhaps? The notion of male Catherine's oldest daughter marrying Henry VIII's oldest son does have a appeal to me.

Well, that's also a good match, and the appeal is quite easily found too

 

[isabella]

Okay, so no female Arthur and Ferdinand jr match. I just thought it was ironic. Female Arthur marries James in 1501 then. What happens with Elizabeth Tudor b 1489 then?
The Portuguese double marriage is okay thou with everyone?

Yes, it is fine.

Let's say that Anne of Navarre is born strong and healthy instead and go from there.

E) Ferdinand VI of Castile and III of Aragon b 1485 d 1535 m a) Anne I of Navarre b 1492 d 1540
Issue:
a) Infanta Isabella of Castile and Aragon 1508
b) Juan III of Castile and Aragon and Navarre b 1510
c) Infanta Ana b 1512
d) Infante Ferdinand b 1513
e) Infanta Maria b 1516
f) Infante Alfonso b 1519 d 1525
g) Infanta Catalina b 1521
h)Infanta Magdalena b 1525
j)Infante Gaston b 1527

How does this looks? @isabella


James IV of Scotland b 1473 d 1533 m Margaret Tudor b 1486 b 1510*
Issue:
-Margaret Stewart b 1503
-James V of Scotland b 1506
-Alexander, Duke of Ross b 1509
-Stillborn daughter 1510

*Margaret inherited Arthur's somewhat fragile health and childbirth took a toll in her, died with her stillborn daughter.


Henry VIII of England b 1491 d 1549 m Eleanor of Portugal b 1492 d 1579
Issue:

-Henry, Prince of Wales b 1509
-Princess Elizabeth b 1511
-Edward b/d 1513
-Edmund, Duke of York b 1516
-Princess Eleanor b 1518
-Jasper Tudor b 1520 d 1523
-Princess Margaret b 1524

I like it.

 

[VVD0D95]

An alternate tree to my previous Charles i/Brandenburger match.

Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1600) m Maria Eleonora of Brandenburg (b.1599) in 1620

Issue:

George, Prince of Wales (b.1621)

Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b.1622)

Princess Anne (b.1625)

miscarriage (1626)

miscarriage (1628)

Princess Elizabeth (b.1630)

Prince John (b.1632: d.1635)

Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester and Ross (b.1637)

Prince George is born on St George's Day.

@Kellan Sullivan @Valena @King of Danes @isabella @Jonathan

 

[King of Danes]

An alternate tree to my previous Charles i/Brandenburger match.

Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1600) m Maria Eleonora of Brandenburg (b.1599) in 1620

Seems sensible enough Although, it's a bit odd that there isn't a James, Mary or Eleanor in the mix anywhere. I could see James instead of John, as that name has some negative connotations both in English and Scottish history

 

[VVD0D95]

Seems sensible enough Although, it's a bit odd that there isn't a James, Mary or Eleanor in the mix anywhere. I could see James instead of John, as that name has some negative connotations both in English and Scottish history

Fair, though depending on how things go between Charles and James before the latter dies, Charles could decide to retire the name. Mary I think was largely due to it being the English version of Henrietta Maria's name, but fair, so maybe something like this:

Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1600) m Maria Eleonora of Brandenburg (b.1599) in 1620

Issue:

George, Prince of Wales (b.1621)

Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b.1622)

Princess Anne (b.1625)

miscarriage (1626)

miscarriage (1628)

Princess Mary(b.1630)

Prince James(b.1632: d.1635)

Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester and Ross (b.1637)

Prince George is born on St George's Day.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Francis I m. Eleanor of Austria

1) Eleanor (1537-1599) m. Edward VI (1537-1553)

1) Jane I of England (1553-1623)​

 

[King of Danes]

Fair, though depending on how things go between Charles and James before the latter dies, Charles could decide to retire the name. Mary I think was largely due to it being the English version of Henrietta Maria's name, but fair, so maybe something like this:

I suppose he could retire it yeah, and, well, Mary and Eleanor would also be the English version of Maria and Eleonora after all

 

[VVD0D95]

I suppose he could retire it yeah, and, well, Mary and Eleanor would also be the English version of Maria and Eleonora after all

that’s very true

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Paging @isabella

Henry VIII of England b 1491 d 1545 m Eleanor of Austria b 1498 d 1558
Issue:

-Elizabeth of England b 1514 m James V of Scotland b 1512
-Eleanor of England b 1516 m Francois III of Brittany, Dauphin of France b 1518 d 1536*
-Henry, Duke of Cornwall b 1518 d 1522
-Edward VI of England b 1520 m Christina of Denmark b 1521
-Edmund of England b 1522 d 1525
-Joanna of England b 1526 m Philip II of Spain b 1527
-Charles, Duke of York** b 1529 m Isabella Markham b 1527***
-Jasper of England b 1532 d 1544****

*Married Francois in 1533 and had two sons and a posthumous daughter before his death.

**Named for Charles V

**A wild and passionate love match without royal consent. Come on, someone has to inherit Edward IV's love for a inferior match regardless of propriety!

****The apple of Henry's eye who's death caused his father to have a heart attack and die a few months later

 

[isabella]

Paging @isabella

Henry VIII of England b 1491 d 1545 m Eleanor of Austria b 1498 d 1558
Issue:

-Elizabeth of England b 1514 m James V of Scotland b 1512
-Eleanor of England b 1516 m Francois III of Brittany, Dauphin of France b 1518 d 1536*
-Henry, Duke of Cornwall b 1518 d 1522
-Edward VI of England b 1520 m Christina of Denmark b 1521
-Edmund of England b 1522 d 1525
-Joanna of England b 1526 m Philip II of Spain b 1527
-Charles, Duke of York** b 1529 m Isabella Markham b 1527***
-Jasper of England b 1532 d 1544****

*Married Francois in 1533 and had two sons and a posthumous daughter before his death.

**Named for Charles V

**A wild and passionate love match without royal consent. Come on, someone has to inherit Edward IV's love for a inferior match regardless of propriety!

****The apple of Henry's eye who's death caused his father to have a heart attack and die a few months later

Jasper is too welsh for being used and Henry VIII would have no reason for liking that name. George after the saint, Lionel or Arthur or also John are far likelier in my opinion.

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Jasper is too welsh for being used and Henry VIII would have no reason for liking that name. George after the saint, Lionel or Arthur or also John are far likelier in my opinion.

George Tudor then for the last baby boy.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

George Tudor then for the last baby boy.

George of Clarence not going to warn him off from that name?

 

[HortenseMancini]

Jasper is too welsh for being used and Henry VIII would have no reason for liking that name. George after the saint, Lionel or Arthur or also John are far likelier in my opinion.

Jasper is not a welsh name - and it would be a perfectly suitable name for a Tudor prince imho, especially a younger one, as Jasper Tudor is a good example of unshakeable loyalty to one’s family (and Henry would no doubt want his younger boys to be doggedly loyal to their oldest brother)

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Juan III of Castile and Aragon* b 1470 d 1525, King of Castile from 1504, King of Aragon from 1513, m Catherine I of Navarre b 1468 d 1523

Issue:

Juan, Prince of Asturias and Girona b 1485
Infanta Isabella b 1486
Infanta Magdalena b 1488 d 1510
Infante Ferdinand b 1490
Infante Gaston b 1494
Infanta Catalina b 1495
Infante Alfonso b 1497 d 1500
Infanta Ana b 1502
Infanta Blanche b 1505


*Isabella of Aragon is born a son

 

[Atterdag]

Jasper is too welsh for being used and Henry VIII would have no reason for liking that name. George after the saint, Lionel or Arthur or also John are far likelier in my opinion.

Why not a name from Eleanor’s family? Philip, Charles, Ferdinand.

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Why not a name from Eleanor’s family? Philip, Charles, Ferdinand.

The Duke of York is named Charles and her youngest daughter is named for Eleanor's mother Juana.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

WI Henry VIII, Katherine of Aragon and their daughter Mary all died from the sweating sickness in 1528?

Margaret I, Queen of England (b. 1489) m. James IV, King of Scotland (1473-1513) (a) Archibald Douglas (1489-1557) (b) Henry IX, King of England (1495-1552) (c)
1a) James V and I, King of Scotland and England (b. 1512) m. 1535 Marie of Bourbon (b. 1515) with female issue
2b) Margaret Douglas (b. 1515) m. 1533 Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) with female issue
3c) Dorothea Stewart (b. 1528) m. 1546 Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1527) with issue

 

[isabella]

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WI Henry VIII, Katherine of Aragon and their daughter Mary all died from the sweating sickness in 1528?

Margaret I, Queen of England (b. 1489) m. James IV, King of Scotland (1473-1513) (a) Archibald Douglas (1489-1557) (b) Henry IX, King of England (1495-1552) (c)
1a) James V and I, King of Scotland and England (b. 1512) m. 1535 Marie of Bourbon (b. 1515) with female issue
2b) Margaret Douglas (b. 1515) m. 1533 Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) with female issue
3c) Dorothea Stewart (b. 1528) m. 1546 Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1527) with issue

I doubt who Margaret‘s third husband would be King Consort here

 

[ordinarylittleme]

I doubt who Margaret‘s third husband would be King Consort here

Maybe so. I don't know, I think he'd have fought for whatever the English version of the crown matrimonial was

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Mary Tudor is born a prince and Catherine's last pregnancy yielded a living son in 1518.

Henry VIII of England b 1491 d 1545 m a) Catherine of Aragon b 1485 d 1535, b) Marie of Bourbon b 1515 d 1544
Issue:

-Edward VI of England b 1516 m Isabella of Austria b 1520*
-Henry, Duke of York b 1518 m Katherine Willoughby b 1519

-Catherine Tudor b 1537
-Elizabeth Tudor b 1540
-Mary Tudor b 1542


*Without having to wait for Mary to grow up, Charles marries Isabella of Portugal in 1519 and they have six living children, Isabella, Philip, Juan, Maria, Juana and Ferdinand.